Is Paul Wolfowitz for Real?

Four writers -- Stephen M. Walt, David J. Rothkopf, Daniel W. Drezner, and Steve Clemons -- weigh in on Paul Wolfowitz's critique of realism and U.S. President Barack Obama. 

AUGUST 27, 2009

Failing to Note the Difference When the U.S. Power Tank Is Full or Near Empty

By Steve Clemons  

Paul Wolfowitz's provocative critique of foreign policy realism has several key flaws. Most importantly, he sets up an artificial and contrived version of realist thought and fails to engage the problem of positive and negative variations in America's stock of power. 
 
In his essay, Wolfowitz acknowledges the classic distinctions between realism and neoconservatism -- that realism prescribes dealing with states as they are in an anarchic international system while neoconservatives and their left-leaning, fellow-traveling liberal interventionists want to change the internal character of states as a primary goal of American national security policy.
 
Given President Obama's shift in a semi-realist direction at the beginning of this term, FP asked Wolfowitz to respond to the assertion that "we are all realists now." Appropriately, the architect of George W. Bush's Iraq War responds "No." Of course, we aren't -- but we are not all values militants either.

Wolfowitz makes a case against a gold standard version of .999 "pure realism" that simply doesn't exist anywhere in the world except perhaps in University of Chicago lectures inspired by Hans Morgenthau and carried on by disciple John Mearsheimer and his followers. Wolfowitz sets up his debate with academic realists -- not policy realists who have significantly evolved in practice and perspective since the days of Kissingerian-style realism.
 
Brent Scowcroft and Zbigniew Brzezinski -- both identified as realists in the Wolfowitz critique -- differ on many micro-policy issues, as Wolfowitz points out. In fact, Wolfowitz acknowledges that he supported Scowcroft's position on the Gulf War and Brzezinski's view that NATO should be expanded. He facetiously asks if that makes him a realist or renders them ideologues. 
 
Scowcroft and Brzezinski -- as they noted in their recent joint book America and the World: Conversations on the Future of U.S. Foreign Policy, a set of edited discussions with David Ignatius -- are not in complete sync when it comes to certain national security priorities and do not frame challenges identically. And they are not the kind of realists to whom Wolfowitz seeks to compare himself.  Both former national security advisors are "hybrid realists" who believe that American power is constrained today and diminishing in part because of a set of very misinformed, strategic mistakes made by the George W. Bush administration, mistakes that compounded the failure of Bush's father and Bill Clinton to reorganize the terms and realities of America's global social contract after the fall of the Soviet Union.

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 SUBJECTS:
 

Stephen M. Walt, a Foreign Policy blogger, is the Robert and Renée Belfer Professor of International Affairs at Harvard University's Kennedy School of Government and coauthor with J.J. Mearsheimer of The Israel Lobby.

David J. Rothkopf, a Foreign Policy blogger, is president and chief executive of Garten Rothkopf, a Washington-based advisory firm specializing in energy, climate, and global risk-related issues. He is a visiting scholar at the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace and author most recently of Superclass: The Global Elite and the World They Are Making.

Daniel W. Drezner, a Foreign Policy blogger, is professor of international politics at the Fletcher School of Law and Diplomacy at Tufts University, a senior editor at The National Interest.  

Steve Clemons is director of the American Strategy Program at the New America Foundation and publishes the popular political blog, The Washington Note.

BRETT

7:22 PM ET

August 27, 2009

Good comments from you four.

Good comments from you four. I do have one concern-

What do you think about the role of norms with regards to Realism? Right now, it seems like norms are pealing off in contradictory directions - on one hand, you've got plenty of people in the Third World demanding that the First World states respect their sovereignty and butt out of their affairs. On the other hand, you've got those same people (and plenty in the First World) complaining about "violations" of international norms, democracy, etc.

 

JAMES MORRIS

9:20 PM ET

August 27, 2009

The Transparent Cabal

Steve Sniegoski has the goods on Wolfowitz and the other JINSA/PNAC/AEI Neocons in his 'The Transparent Cabal' book:

Stephen Sniegoski’s lecture on his book, “The Transparent Cabal”:

http://america-hijacked.com/2009/08/16/stephen-sniegoskis-lecture-on-his-book-the-transparent-cabal/

 

HEISEL

11:09 AM ET

August 28, 2009

Modesty

An important part of the debate concerns the question of how much emphasis should be placed on the export of democracy as a foreign policy goal per se. While there is disagreement about this, Wolfowitz and all the commentators, even Stephen Walt, take for granted - or at least do not question - the assumption that American democracy is worth exporting. I have no doubt that the American model is superior to that of Saddam Hussein's Iraq or Mobutu's Zimbabwe, but Americans should appreciate that, seen from the outside, it does not look very attractive:

- a partly disfunctional political system rife with illegal and legal corruption, where money plays a much greater role and buys influence much more easily than in other Western countries, where practices that would qualify as election fraud in other countries are commonplace

- a constitution that, being one of the greatest documents of human history, is now showing its age and could do with some modernisation (which is not going to happen)

- an often barbaric, politicised, arcane, unreasonable, particularly expensive justice system (that some people inexplicably think is the envy of the world, a mystery to any informed observer)

- Guantànamo, Baghram, Abu Ghraib, torture, murder and all the rest.

Once you appreciate this, your perspective on exporting "democracy" changes a little.

 

STOP THE NONSENSE

2:58 PM ET

August 28, 2009

Clear eyed

Wolfowitz is right.

Wolfowitz for president!!!

Some may laugh but I'm serious - seriously - stop laughing.

He has a clear-eyed vision of how U.S. foreign policy should operate.
He speaks the language of common sense.

What more can I ask.

You're the best Wolfie Boy.

 

CHARLI CARPENTER

9:17 AM ET

August 29, 2009

Wolfowitz needs to brush up

Wolfowitz needs to brush up on his basic concepts.

For example, since when is "how to manage relations between states" merely the province of realism, and "how to change the nature of states" the province of non-realism? Strikes me that the former covers the entire discipline of IR theory and the practice of statecraft. Cleavages between realists and others are about strategies for achieving that first goal; no one disputes the goal itself.

And his claim that by paying lip service to democratic ideals Obama is proving is non-realist-credentials shows he doesn't really get classical realism. Realists would be the first to argue that statesmen should use such rhetoric to their advantage - they just shouldn't start believing it themselves. Given the chasm between rhetoric and action on a number of issues since Obama took office, I doubt it's analytically useful to use Obama's words in speeches abroad as evidence of the administration's position. (Admiral Mike Mullen agrees with me - though disagrees that this is a useful strategy of soft power; so I guess he's the 'non-realist.')

And Brett: you ask a complex question, but for starters, "sovereignty" IS an international norm, so the two examples you give aren't really in tension.

 

CORNELIUSVANSANT

10:48 AM ET

August 30, 2009

Realism, realism, it is

Realism, realism, it is convoluted nonsense. It all comes down to nuclear proliferation and the coercive capability demonstrated by the nuking of Nagasaki and the inevitability of proliferation to militant theocratic dictatorships.

Here is the key . . . We fear no real democracy however they are armed.

Neither missile nor bomber is necessary when delivery is by suicide and great nations can be defeated by stateless barbarians who have no return address – no retaliation coordinates. A nuclear weapon delivered by small watercraft on any beach in America, or any nation with a coastline for that matter could coerce a standing army, which in turn would enforce Sharia Law. Command and control could be anywhere including within the victimized nation.

As Tariq Aziz, advisor to Sadaam Hussein, said in tapes discovered after the invasion "Sir. . . No need to accuse a state. An individual can do it."

 

HARVEY------------------------------------------------------

12:51 PM ET

August 31, 2009

Is Paul Wolfowitz for Real?

Where else could such a poor judge of whats best for the USA find haven.

The neocon traitors to the US should be charged with treason.

The war favored Israel and has caused the murder of over 1.3 Million Iraqis according to ICH.

 

SNOOKYBUTTS

6:21 PM ET

August 31, 2009

stephen walt

Its disgusting to see Walt quoting the statistic from a recent study that "U.S. military intervention lowered the prospects for democracy by about 33 percent," when the most obvious explanation is that when the U.S. intervened, it was generally not to promote a democratic government. It is "realist" foreign policies that have created that fact, and if we instead had been guided by thinking more like Wolfowitz's, it would not exist to blacken our name.