Unsettling Questions

Hillary Clinton's retreat from the previous US demand for a settlement freeze leaves the administration's strategy for Israeli-Palestinian peace in limbo.

BY DANIEL LEVY | NOVEMBER 3, 2009

Secretary of State Hillary Clinton stepped from the frying pan into the fire this weekend, when she sparked a controversy regarding U.S. policy toward Israeli settlements right after some tough days of public and private diplomacy in Pakistan. But was the controversy as serious as it seemed? And what does it means for the ongoing Israeli-Palestinian peace efforts? Here, a fact check on some settlement myths and misconceptions.  

1. What is the significance of Clinton's linguistic acrobatics? 

Standing next to Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu on Saturday night in Jerusalem, the secretary seemed unequivocally to line up with the Israeli leader in relation to the ongoing dispute over the settlements. Clinton described Israel's offer of a policy of settlement "restraint" (i.e., not freeze) as "unprecedented." Prime Minister Netanyahu looked pleased as punch as Clinton placed the dead cat firmly at the Palestinians' door.

By the time Clinton landed in Morocco for bilateral and regional meetings that included Arab leaders, it was clear that these statements had stirred quite an uproar and were being interpreted as a recalibration of U.S. policy towards Israeli settlements, or even a capitulation. In Cairo, in June, the president had been unequivocal, declaring "it is time for these settlements to stop."  A week earlier, Clinton herself had explained the call for a stop to settlements as not being open to interpretation -- "not some settlements ... not natural growth."

Monday, Clinton rushed to correct the impression of a policy shift, delivering remarks with the Moroccan foreign minister at her side in which she described Israel's restraint policy as falling "far short" of America's position or preference. She also reiterated America's 40-year opposition to Israeli settlement policy and rejection of "the legitimacy of continued Israeli settlements" -- all things that she had failed to mention at the presser in Jerusalem. The Obama team's image of credibility and competence had taken a serious hit.  The Arab League's Secretary General, Amr Moussa, went on record to say "failure is in the atmosphere ... all of us are deeply disappointed" and that "we're not impressed".

In a sense, Clinton's prevarications aren't hard to understand. Since September's U.N. General Assembly tri-lateral meeting, the administration has been trying to extricate itself from Netanyahu's blunt refusal to meet the U.S. demand for a settlement freeze.  The Obama team chose not to escalate in the face of this rejectionism from its ally in Jerusalem. The U.S. message to both sides became: "Good Israeli progress on the settlements -- we expect more, but in the meantime, let's re-launch negotiations." Clinton was in effect reiterating that message with greater force during this trip -- and perhaps venting frustration at the Palestinians' lack of enthusiasm for this formula. However, that does not change the bottom line: The United States created an expectation for a settlement freeze, did not meet it, and is now paying a price of diminished standing in the region. 

2. Was Clinton right in describing the Israeli concessions as "unprecedented"? 

One of the more criticized aspects of Clinton's remarks was her repetition of Israel's policy of "restraint" toward settlement growth as "unprecedented" -- suggesting that the U.S. condoned that policy. Technically, yes, the policy is unprecedented -- Israel has not before publicly delineated a limited number of specific housing units (only those already under construction) beyond which it would not build in the West Bank. 

In terms of substantive impact, use of the term "unprecedented" is on flimsier ground. The approximately 3,000 housing units that Israel will continue to build is par for the course for its annual settlement expansion. And of course, the exclusion of East Jerusalem renders the arrangement a nonstarter to the Palestinian and Arab side, since no two-state solution can be envisaged without a Palestinian capital in East Jerusalem. 

The arrangement could, however, become genuinely unprecedented if the 3,000 units already under construction were explicitly acknowledged as the final settlement expansion of any kind, full stop. That may be the logic of the U.S. effort, but it has not yet been unequivocally articulated.

Chip Somodevilla/Getty Images

 

Daniel Levy is a Senior Research Fellow and Director of the Middle East Task Force at the New America Foundation and a Senior Fellow at The Century Foundation. He blogs at Prospects for Peace.

JIMT

11:03 AM ET

November 4, 2009

settlements

Palestinian leadership is unyielding on a settlement freeze now because:

1. Obama had come out strongly against settlements, and the Palestinian leadership felt encouraged to take a similarly strong stance against settlements. Obama’s reversal – some call it a “cave in” – leaves Abbas flailing and swinging in the wind. This is similar to Bill Clinton’s invitation to Arafat for Camp David II despite the bad timing and lack of preparation. Clinton said “Hey, come on. If the talks fail, we won’t blame you.” And that’s exactly what happened: the talks failed, and Arafat was blamed for the failure. Here we have it again. It’s like Lucie, Charlie Brown and the football.

2. Palestinian elections are coming up. It’s amazing that the State Department did not see that Abbas can ill afford to change positions on this issue at this moment. He cannot give in, or be seen to give in. Just look what happened when he agreed to the American request not to pursue the Goldstone report in the U.N. There was a huge outcry. If the State Department wants to insure Abbas’s defeat in January, they’ll ask him to give in on the settlement issue. Someone didn’t do their homework.

 

BETZ55

12:27 PM ET

November 4, 2009

Link their aid to the illegal settlements and East J'lem

A settlement freeze is not their precondition but an obligation Israel undertook when it signed on to the 2003 international roadmap for peace plan.

Netanyahu has spent many long months doing everything in his power to subvert Obama's peace initiatives, defying the demand to freeze settlements and inciting American and Israeli public opinion against the President and against peace.

Where Obama rallied near-universal international support for his vision of rapid progress towards a real two state solution and genuine Israeli-Arab peace, Netanyahu dug in his heels and fought every step of the way.

Illegal settlement expansion is made possible by some $3 billion in military aid the U.S. gives to Israel each year, and additional millions in subsidies provided by U.S.-based Jewish and fundamentalist Christian nonprofits.

In U.S. and internationally-brokered agreements, Israel has already agreed to end settlement construction. It is not a pre-condition but an obligation.

It's not natural growth, it's the excuse the Israeli government is using as a cover for continued settlement growth.

Meanwhile, Israeli soldiers mainly do nothing while settlers attack Palestinian farmers and their families.

Settlers threaten Palestinian lives and especially livelihoods in numerous ways - obstructing harvests, cutting down groves of olive trees, burning agricultural fields and intimidating people from their land so that settlers can claim it.

The Israeli human rights organization Yesh Din says these Jewish groups perpetrate “systematic, organized and large-scale terrorist actions.”

The perpetrators are rarely brought to justice: 90 percent of complaints are closed by the police.

Here is how sneaky the Israelis are and the approach of some of them toward neighboring Palestinians, especially around Nablus in the north and Hebron in the south, has often been one of contempt and violence.

Sometimes placing their communities between Palestinian villages and the villages’ farmlands, the illegal settlers block the villagers’ routes and then take over the “abandoned” areas.

Imagine an Israel without settlements. It would be an Israel that could focus on its own problems at home.

It could focus on improving public health, education, and scientific research, and not squander its energy on defending a doomed enterprise.

Its armed forces could focus on defending the state itself, not on figuring out how to rescue settlers (some of whom have physically attacked the soldiers) who choose to live in the midst of an Arab population that hates them.

It would not be dispatching its eighteen-year olds to police West Bank cities or blocking needed supplies from getting into Gaza.

Transport the illegal settlers out of the West Bank. Period. Put their names on the lists at the border crossings and checkpoints so they can no longer cross the greenline into the West Bank. Israel can monitor Palestinians, they can monitor law-breaking Israelis too.

They can put up tin shacks in the Negev if they want to be "pioneers".

Israel can wage war in Lebanon, Syria, killing thousands in Gaza but finds it "difficult" to evacuate outposts? Ridiculous.

Settlements permanent? Good. The '67 borders should be returned to, and any settlement can stay in the new Palestinian State, with the provision that the settlers are subject to any and all Palestinian law, up to and including dispossession. Arab towns and villages in Israel have existed for centuries and longer than all those illegal Jewish settlements.

George H.W. Bush forced a showdown with Yitzhak Shamir over Israel's West Bank settlements by threatening to link $10 billion in loan guarantees to Israel's compliance with a settlement freeze.

All Obama has to do is cut their aid.

Bring in legislation to ban all bilateral trade with Israel until its government complies with international law, the UNSC and the Geneva Conventions.

As long as the Israelis pay no price for the occupation, the occupation will not end, and therefore the only way open to the opponents of the occupation is to take concrete means that will make the Israelis understand that the injustice they are perpetrating comes with a price tag.

Israel will continue on it's path of failed policies and apartheid ignorance into isolation and sanctions.

Let's put it to vote and see how many Americans want to continue supporting the world's biggest welfare client, Israel ?

Isolate, divest, sanction, and cut their aid. We voted for change. Where is it?

 

BILLY BROOKLYN

2:21 PM ET

November 4, 2009

Hillary Clinton is a disaster

Mrs. Clinton's utter failure as Sec. of State is no surprise. The ugly condensation, of the endless childish Partisan demeanor, presented as "smart power" is a sincere embarrassment.

But why should anyone be surprised, after watching the Clinton Administration foolishly appease and empower a killer named Arafat in the 1990's?

This is a Secretary of State, who foolishly announced to the world, that the Obama Administration would not be making 'human rights' a priority while visiting China.

The list of embarrassments has been enormous, including Mrs. Clinton's bizarre hostility presented to a young Man in Africa, who referenced her husband.

Mrs. Clinton's visit to Pakistan has been a fiasco:

1. Sec. Hillary Clinton is being utterly dishonest by saying, "I spent my entire eight years in the Senate opposing him (GW Bush)". No, in fact she voted for the use of force in Iraq, authorizing the mission, in full support of the Bush Administration, using some of the most aggressive language in the Senate to justify this Military Operation.

2. Sec. Hillary Clinton again provides the overwhelming hypocrisy the Clintons have become famous for, as the evidence shows the Clinton Administration - President Bill Clinton, refused to take custody of Osama Bin Laden on at least two known separate occasions. How dare Mrs. Clinton be critical of the Pakistani Government in this sophomoric manner, complaining about their failures to capture or kill Al Qaeda terrorists?

3. Sec. Hillary Clinton reveals a bizarre sense of ignorance regarding the current state of the GWOT. It could be another a poor attempt to distort the record of the prior Administration's efforts in capturing and killing Al Qaeda, implying falsely no one who was behind 9-11 has been brought to justice. It is estimated, the Bush Administration eliminated some 75% of Al Qaeda after 9-11. But maybe this Obama Cabinet Member who is a principal "smart power" player, simply does not know who is currently being held in Guantanamo Bay. Perhaps Hillary Clinton doesn't even know who Khalid Sheikh Mohammed is? The self-described mastermind of the attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon?

This is someone who dishonestly claimed once to be dodging sniper fire. It is a sign of using massive deceit, to cover a lack of experience and utter incompetence.

 

MYCOS

11:21 PM ET

November 4, 2009

Your a no-holds barred liar

Or a complete fool judging by any of the security archives newly released documents. Just one example is that GWBush only asked the Taiban for OBL 3 times during his term up until 9/11. Bill Clinton meanwhile had placed continual pressure on hem, asking some 37 times in the period after the Embassy bombings. IOW Bush ignored Bin Laden and we all know how that strategy played out!

 

RIPLEY

9:20 PM ET

November 4, 2009

Between a rock and a hard place

I don't think any outside source could garner a lasting peace short of turning the whole place to rubble.

Religion is ruling the politics. all 3 of the Abrahamic off shoots. none are going to settle . stupid to think God is connected to a piece of dirt.

It doesn't matter who tries to broker peace. fools.

 

MARTY24

10:30 PM ET

November 4, 2009

Settlement Policy

One reason the negotiations between Israel and the various Arab interlocutors keep failing is that the Arabs have shown little respect for what international law actually says, and thus cannot reasonably be expected to abide by any commitments they might make in those negotiations. Instead, international law is abused; it is just one of many tools in their ongoing effort to destroy Israel and the Jews. The settlements are getting the most heat these days, so let's look at them:

The claim that Israel's settlements are in violation of international law was first made by the International Committee of the Red Cross (ICRC) after a closed-door session. The minutes of the meeting have never been made public, so no-one outside the group that made the decision knows what basis the claim has.

No attempt has ever been made to bring the issue to a serious court where actual law would be applied. The reason for this is that Israel's case for its right to build the settlements is much stronger under international law than is the claim that they are illegal. The case for their illegality is usually based on Article 49 of the Geneva Convention, but this article bans "forcible transfers," as when the Nazis sent Jews to concentration and extermination camps. The Convention does not address real estate deals. It is doubtful that international law even addresses the issue.

Meanwhile, since the Palestinian Arabs failed to establish the state awarded to them by the Partition Resolution, probably because doing so would have required them to accept the legitimacy of Israel, the applicable law in the territories remains that of the Mandate. That Mandate, awarded by the League of Nations, requires the authorities to facilitate the close settlement of Jews on the land. Settlements may be *required* under international law.

The ongoing claims by the Administration, whether Sec. Clinton or Pres. Obama, that the settlements are illegitimate undermines their credibility. They would be on much sounder footing claiming that they believe the settlements are an obstacle to the negotiations, since that would be no more than their personal opinions.

Israel will no doubt respond that the real obstacle is that the Palestinians ultimately will not honor any deal that is struck, even if Fatah somehow finds a way to retain control over the Palestinian state; that concessions made starting with Oslo have led to more violence, not less; that incitement has been escalating, and endorses a second Holocaust; and that Palestine would come into existence as a "failed state". Every step toward an actual deal has been met with increased violence, and there has been no indication that reaching a deal would result in an end to it. There is so far no indication that the Palestinian will accept that any deal that might be reached would be final and would preclude a continuation of the violence.

Since the settlements offer a mechanism by which the Palestinians might actually lose by delaying reaching a viable peace agreement, Israeli agreement to a settlement freeze might kill the negotiations for good.

The Obama Administration needs to recognize that reality, not rhetoric, is the key to getting this deal done.

 

MYCOS

5:08 PM ET

November 5, 2009

101: Hasbara - A Primer

And this, folks, is a veritable cornucopia of the different techniques now being taught to thousands of N. American high-school and college-aged kids who sign onto Israel's Hasbara campaign.

With the same sort of arrogance the world has seen too many times coming from idealogues acting out of absolute certainty in their moral authority, Israel is funding "aliyah" trips for lucky youths whom they then supply with "how-to" guides that teach them how to divert, diffuse, delay, or dismiss conversations where a speaker is telling people the truth of what really happened over there. College kids are directed to study manuals with innocuous, even charming little titles like "The Hasbara Handbook" (now available online) that instruct these potential futire leaders to try tactics like joining in debates that argue the relative merits of each sides positions.

How could anyone have a problem with that, you say? Well. If you don't see any ethical shortcomings in having your kid join the debate surreptitiously on the Arab side (as instructed!) then do a lousy job of it --- which is to say basically that you are asked to pose as someone else then "throw the fight" for the other side --- then maybe you too have a future with some other branch of Israeli "foreign affairs".

But back to the hasbara the above commenter so carefully and lovingly crafted for us, if you go through it, line by line, you'll find all the straw-man, cherry-picked, and false equivalence arguments that politicians depend on for manipulating their constituencies in ways that favor designs requiring public acquiescence, whether it's knowing acquiescence or not. And like the fighter who takes a fall, an ideologue who, upon realizing that telling the truth helps his opponent yet fails to realize that he must then be on the wrong side....is someone whose ethical acuity is such that no good can ever come of their works.

Hasbara was a technique developed prior to the internet's appearance, of course. Then it was absolutely within reason to suppose that factual information on events in the Middle East could be countered by Zionist voices making themselves much more visible and numerous than the extremely limited and difficult to acquire proofs found in old media archives. Indeed it was more than reasonable as an be seen by the way much of th world now sees the Palestinian victims as the terrorist aggressor, a 180 degree spin away from the truth of the matter.

But that was managed only because of the relative trickle of intel released to the media that stands in opposition to the flood of anti-Arab propaganda (hasbara). The internet now makes these archives, as well as supporting documents (in the form of pictures) from Gaza, impossible to counter. The tide has turned. The tendency of all politicians for failing to react to real-world changes like the web, is the cause of their launching actions like Cast Lead thinking they could control the message as tightly as before. But now all they have is hasbara. We have the truth, the internet, and most of all...we have RIGHT on our side.

It is now sooner rather than later that Israel must begin acting like the nation it insists Arabs recognize. Because to continue will spell the ruin of - not just Israel - but of Judaism and Jews themselves.

 

MSEVERAL

6:50 PM ET

November 6, 2009

International law and settlements

One of the basic principals in international law that resulted from the carnage of World War II, is the impermissibility to acquire territory from armed conflict. With respect to the Arab-Israeli conflict, this principle was enshrined in Security Council Resolution 242, which emphasized “the inadmissibility of the acquisition of territory by war.” Nevertheless, after the Six Day War in 1967, the Government of Israel (GOI) separated 64 sq. km from the West Bank, linked it to the 6 sq. km of what was East Jerusalem under the Jordanians, and declared it was all now part of an undivided Jerusalem in the state of Israel. This new expanded boundary is not recognized by any state, other than Israel. Under international law, the area of Jerusalem that Israel is claiming is part of their country is no different than the rest of the West Bank. In the international legal community, the territory that Israel controls as a result of the Six Day War is known as the Occupied Palestinian Territories (OPT) and is in the condition of a “belligerent occupation” controlled by the GOI as a “belligerent occupant.” This status as a “belligerent occupation” is interestingly recognized by the GOI itself, which argued before the Israeli Supreme Court in the spring of 2005, “The status of these settlement (in Gaza and the Northern WB) derives from the status of the territory, which is held in “belligerent occupation”…When the petitioners settled in the Gaza Strip and northern Samaria, they did so in full knowledge that they were settling in territory held by Israel in belligerent occupation…”
Within the OPT, International Humanitarian Law applies. The Fourth Geneva Convention on the Protection of Civilian Persons states in Common Article 2: “the present Convention shall apply to all cases of declared war or of any other armed conflict which may arise between two or more of the High Contracting Parties, even if the state of war is not recognized by one of them.” The two conditions set forth in the article, “armed conflict” between “two or more of the High Contracting Parties” was fulfilled in that there was a war between two signatories, Israel and Jordan.
The applicability of the Fourth Geneva Convention to the OPT is universally recognized by the international community. The United Nations Security Council in Resolution 271, (September 15, 1969,) called upon “Israel scrupulously to observe the provision of the Geneva Conventions and international law governing military occupation.” This was followed a decade later with SCR 446, (March 22, 1979) and SCR 452 (July 20, 1979) which reaffirmed “once more that the Geneva Convention relative to the Protection of Civilian Persons in Time of War, of 12 August 1949, is applicable to the Arab territories occupied by Israel since 1967, including Jerusalem.” The Security Council with SCR 681, (December 20, 1990) again recognized the applicability of the Fourth Geneva Convention by urging “the Government of Israel to accept the de jure applicability of the Fourth Geneva Convention…to all the territories occupied by Israel since 1967 and to abide scrupulously by the provision of the Convention”. In addition, SC799, (December 18, 1992) and SCR 904, (March 18, 1994) reaffirmed again its position concerning the applicability of the Fourth Geneva Convention in the occupied territories.
The United Nations General Assembly with resolution 56/60, (December 10, 2001) and resolution 58/97 (December 9, 2003), reaffirmed “that the Geneva Convention relative to the Protection of Civilian Persons in Time of War, of 12 August 1949, is applicable to the Occupied Palestinian Territory, including East Jerusalem, and other Arab territories occupied by Israel since 1967.”
However, it has not just the United Nations that has affirmed the de jure applicability of the Fourth Geneva Convention to the OPT. On December 1, 2001, The International Committee of the Red Cross “affirmed the de jure applicability of the fourth Geneva Convention to the territories occupied since 1967 by the State of Israel, including East Jerusalem.”
In addition to the universal acceptance by the international community that the Fourth Geneva Convention is applicable to the West Bank, including Jerusalem, it is also universally recognized by the international legal community that the Israeli settlements are in violation of Article 49(6) of the convention. That section reads: “The Occupying Power shall not deport or transfer parts of its own civilian population into the territory it occupies.”
The universality of the opinion that the settlements are in violation of Article 49(6) is measured in part by Security Council Resolution 446 (March 22, 1979), which stated the settlements had “no legal validity.” The United States also recognizes the violation, which was set forth by the Department of State Legal Advisor, Herbert J. Hansell, on April 21, 1978, when he concluded that “On the basis of the available information, the civilian settlements in the territories occupied by Israel do not appear to be consistent with these limits on Israel’s authority as belligerent occupant in that they do not seem intended to be of limited duration or established to provide orderly government of the territories and, though some may serve incidental security purposes, they do not appear to be required to meet military needs during the occupation.… The language and history of the provision [Article 49(6)] lead to the conclusion that transfers of a belligerent occupant’s civilian population into occupied territory are broadly proscribed as beyond the scope of interim military administration.” The opinion went on to say, “The Israeli civilian settlements thus appear to constitute a transfer of ‘parts of its own civilian population into the territory it occupies’…While Israel may undertake, in the occupied territories, actions necessary to meet its military needs and to provide for orderly government during the occupation, for the reasons indicated above the establishment of the civilian settlements in those territories is inconsistent with international law.” This opinion has never been revised or revoked.
Even the Israeli Government, when it initially looked at the legality of the settlements shortly after the end of the Six Day War and before the settlers became a powerful constituency in Israeli politics, concluded in a legal opinion on September 18, 1967 of Theodor Meron, Legal Counsel of the Foreign Ministry, “that civilian settlement in the administered territories contravenes the explicit provisions of the Fourth Geneva Convention.”
Finally, all 15 justices of the International Court of Justice, including Judge Thomas Buergenthal, who was the sole dissenter in the 2004 “Wall” Decision, declared the settlements are illegal under international law. In his declaration, Judge Buergenthal stated:
“Paragraph 6 of Article 49 of the Fourth Geneva Convention also does not admit for exceptions on grounds of military or security exigencies. It provides that ‘the Occupying Powcr shall not deport or transfer parts of its own civilian population into the territory it occupies’. I agree that this provision applies to the Israeli settlements in the West Bank and that their existence violates Article 49, paragraph 6.”
When settlements are built on private land, they are in violation of other provisions of international law. Article 46 of the 1907 Hague Regulations clearly states, “Private property cannot be confiscated.” Under the Fourth Geneva Convention, Art. 53 states: “Any destruction by the Occupying Power of real or personal property belonging individually or collectively to private persons, or to the State, or to other public authorities, or to social or cooperative organizations, is prohibited, except where such destruction is rendered absolutely necessary by military operations.” Despite these basic international obligations which are adhered to by the civilized world, large areas of private Palestinian land have been confiscated by the GOI for settlements. One third of all settlement land is on confiscated private Palestinian property, including all the homes in the large settlement of Ofra.

 

MYCOS

6:41 PM ET

November 7, 2009

Einstein - Arendt LTE

Thank you Marty24, for this quick summary of what has become a long series series of actions taken by what can only be described as a "rogue nation". These actions leave one with a sense that underlying the public face of Israel's tentative democracy lies an extreme right-wing entity that has the full support of Israel's military and other conservative elements. This they seem to do with or without the blessings of the Knesset's less aggressive and more reasonable faction.

When Einstein, Hannah Arendt and the other 26 Jewish intellectuals wrote their warning letter to the NYTimes (1948), they described the emergence in Israel of a the Tnuat Haherut, "a political party closely akin in its organization, methods, political philosophy and social appeal to the Nazi and Fascist parties". We must suppose that such a group could not openly declare itself as being the inheritors of the same tradition as Adolf Hitler, but we must also remember that fascism was quite popular with the right-wing before the events of WW2 made such an association political poison. The anti-semitism that became a hallmark of the Third Reich was a feature that belonged to Nazism alone, and was not /at all/ a necessary element that needed to be observed by non-Nazi fascists. As such, it is not at all unreasonable to believe that, prior to revelations of the Holocaust, some of the Jewish population, just as with the wider population as a whole, became attracted to certain elements of fascism. Indeed, the ultra-nationalism feature must have been very appealing to many of the Zionist persuasion.

Einstein continued: "It is inconceivable that those who oppose fascism throughout the world, if correctly informed as to Mr. Begin's (Menachem Begin) political record and perspectives, could add their names and support to the movement he represents."

Given these words, it seems quite apparent that Begin must have been one such individual, one of many no doubt who found themselves now having to reject fascism outwardly but whose underlying personality and motivations were still consistent with the authoritarian values he had managed to escape during the war. The saying about a "leopard changing it's spots" seems particularly appropriate here.

"Today they speak of freedom, democracy and anti-imperialism, whereas until recently they openly preached the doctrine of the Fascist state." Of course Menachem Begin went on to become Israeli PM. And it's then that I'd be very interested in knowing exactly what he did and said during his term in office and beyond.

As for the US's policy re: extreme right-wingers, well, as abhorrent as it may seem to us, we know that the US intelligence community struck up a series of relationships with former German Nazis due their bona fides as being virulently anti-communist. The US apparently felt that this was among the most important traits a Cold War spy could have in their efforts to gain intel on the US's most powerful post-war enemy, the Soviet Union. There is no reason to doubt they would have been very pleased to have a leader in the Middle East who brought the same anti-communist zeal into the fight against the Soviets as Hitler enjoyed during his bloody career.

"It is in its actions that the terrorist party betrays its real character; from its past actions we can judge what it may be expected to do in the future."

Indeed.

http://www.archive.org/details/AlbertEinsteinLetterToTheNewYorkTimes.December41948

 

MYCOS

11:12 PM ET

November 4, 2009

Tme to quit the charade

The only progress that either side has seen in the 60 years since nearly a million Palis were driven into the "temporary" camps we now call "Gaza" et al, is the success of the Jewish Agency's hasbara campaign. There are now millions of non-Jews who honestly believe that the Palestinians have been the traditional aggressor; that the terrorist attacks by Irgun leader and soon-to-become Israeli PM Menachem Begin are mere exaggerations told by dishonest Muslims in order to make the poor Jewish settlers seem like they have no right to leave their French and Moroccan apartments behind and opt to take up residence in one of the orchard homes the previous tenants had "abandoned".

Yes, good people now believe that Palestine was empty desert with no real tenants save the Jews themselves, invaders who had managed to work the land into the green oasis they now claim credit for.
Lies, lies, lies..and more lies. Or "Hasbara" as it is officially called by the government agencies who craft these things.

People now accept that because the surrounding Arab countries rejected a UN proposal that said we wish to have 100s of thousands of European Jews travel to Palestine and displace the existing occupants of certain areas... and because the countries that neighbor these areas said, "No Way!. We think that's a terrible plan!" And that somehow it's the Arabs fault that the Zionists did it by force anyway!

Yes. Now hardly anyone realizes that they did it against the wishes of the UN who now knew that the Arabs had officially rejected such an obscene offer...one that no country, diplomat, or sane person would have accepted regardless? Why? Hasbara of course?
Now the vast majority of people believe that whether or not the Arabs gave their permission, at least the UN gave its full backing and authority to he move.
That too is a lie however. Note how easily the word "proposal" morphed into the word "permission" in the hands of skilled propagandists.

All a ruthlessly brilliant job of deceit done by Israeli agencies who decided to take advantage of our natural leeriness over demanding that any Jew do anything so close after the War. A natural decision taken out of respect and the kind of sadness normal people feel over the terrible loss and soul-destroying violence that had just recently been visited against the many Jews....... who were somehow able to take up residence in Palestinian homes! Even Albert Einstein was appalled and called these people fascists and terrorists in a 1948 LTE he and 26 other Jewish intellectuals placed in the NY Times. Evr hear about that? Do you think you would have if such a letter really existed? Of course you would have. But you haven't because that's a measure of how tightly Isreal has been able to control the message after the US became serious about the same thing out of worry over Stalin. But it's now online. Google it. Do "Homeless In Gaza" s well. (Times UK 1951 article telling the ugly truth)

Except for Zionists and extremist Americans, everyone knows (even if they don't say it) that Isreal is guilty as hell of committing crimes against the very people they drove from their houses. Over 60 years now they've been promising to settle the excesses taken back then, but do nothing but lie ever since. And if it were up to me I'd ask Israel to either begin acting like the nation it demands others accept or start being treated like the band of cut-throats and liars your leadership has always been.

But not for much longer. You've lost control of too much damning information. So choose decency or cease to exist!

 

RIPLEY

3:25 AM ET

November 5, 2009

agreed MYCOS

Arabs were living in the region long before a Hebrew people existed !! A bit of fact that all seem to gloss over. That Arabs and muslims were kicked out of their homeland !

Not all Jews forget this. I myself am Jewish ( on my mothers side ) and there are plenty of Jews , soldiers and Orthodox as well , that agree. That have protested against Israel . Their voices are ignored by the media.

Many ignore for centuries Hebrews and muslims lived fine without a problem side by side. Religious politics .. have consumed all. And that is a problem on both sides. with religious beliefs in the way there is no way I can see overcoming this problem.