Afghanistan Is Still Worth the Fight

There may not be a single or short explanation justifying a U.S. presence in Afghanistan. But that doesn't mean it's time to cut and run.

BY J ALEXANDER THIER | NOVEMBER 30, 2009

President Barack Obama has a heavy burden in the next few days. He must convince increasingly skeptical publics in the United States, Europe, Afghanistan, and the region of two things: that the United States and NATO have a compelling strategic interest in Afghan stability, and that they have the will and partners to succeed. This first of two articles addresses the first issue.

Is there something in Afghanistan worth fighting for? The short answer is yes. But the long answer is complicated. Unlike the clarity in the weeks following 9/11, there is no single reason, standing alone, that makes the case. It is rather a series of interrelated concerns that when considered as a whole make continued, robust engagement in Afghanistan the best of a series of bad options. To put it another way, as difficult as it will be to fulfill the promises we've made to the Afghans over the last eight years, the alternatives are far more dangerous, dispiriting, and unpredictable.

Al Qaeda

As with the initial casus belli in 2001, the argument begins with al Qaeda, or more accurately the network of militant jihadi groups anchored in the Afghanistan-Pakistan border region for the last few decades. In the United States at least, all sides seem to agree that the threat posed by extremist Islamist terrorists remains, as Obama said in March at the end of the first 60-day regional strategy review, a "vital national security interest."

We continue to face a determined and resourceful enemy that sees this conflict in cosmic terms. Eight years after the September 11 attacks, top al Qaeda leaders have evaded capture and have managed to plan or at least inspire significant terrorist attacks and numerous other plots in major Western cities. Although the planning, funding, training, and recruiting for future attacks may not necessarily happen only in the Afghanistan-Pakistan border region, increased operating space for militants in that region will make it easier and more likely.

This base remains practically and psychologically important to al Qaeda. Al Qaeda was born in the Pashtun belt, and intermarriage and familiarity make this the "home field" -- far more than Somalia or Yemen. The jihads that drove out the "infidel" British and Soviet empires were launched here, and success in driving out the Americans would immeasurably bolster the reputation and fortunes of the militants.

We need to see the context, as they do, in both local and global terms. At the local level, al Qaeda, the Afghan and Pakistani Taliban, Lashkar-e-Taiba, the Islamic Movement of Uzbekistan, and other affiliated groups have very specific, concrete aims: to drive out the "occupiers" and overthrow the governments of Afghanistan, Pakistan, Uzbekistan, etc., replacing them with an Islamist caliphate. Such victories would yield territory and potentially other assets such as weapons and natural resources. On the global level, al Qaeda wants to be the standard-bearer for Islamic unity and triumph over Western hegemony. The re-Talibanization of Afghanistan would stand as a beacon for jihadist struggle against established powers from Egypt to Indonesia.

However, the U.S. president cannot, and should not, rely exclusively or even primarily on the threat from al Qaeda and its affiliates to argue that the United States has a critical interest in Afghan stability. The events of September 11, 2001, may have provided, in October 2001, an all-engrossing rationale for the invasion of Afghanistan, but they do not hold that same power today. Not only have eight years passed without a major attack on U.S. soil, but the focus in Afghanistan quickly evolved into something far more complex than just hunting terrorist criminals.

Pakistan

In the last few years a new and perhaps even bigger problem has emerged for the United States and its allies: the stability of Pakistan. In a country of 170 million Muslims with as many as 100 nuclear weapons and semi-permanent conflict with its nuclear neighbor India, the prospect of collapse or militant takeover in Pakistan is a nightmare scenario of global dimensions.

In sheer human terms, the cost of conflict in Pakistan is immense. When the Pakistani military moved into the Swat Valley to fight militants challenging the writ of the central government, more than 2 million people were displaced. A wave of suicide bombings across the country in the last few months alone has killed hundreds and sparked fear into millions.

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J Alexander Thier is the director for Afghanistan and Pakistan at the U.S. Institute of Peace. He is co-author and editor of The Future of Afghanistan. He lived in Afghanistan for about seven of the last 16 years and travels there frequently.

F1FAN

9:38 AM ET

December 1, 2009

Afghanistan isn't worth it

Mainly because we (Americans and NATO, and Mr. Thier) have no idea what the real fight is. At this point Al Qaeda's ability to attack is nearly nil and most everyone with any expertise in the area agrees that Al Qaeda's leaders are in Pakistan, if the goal was to kill or capture Bin Laden then we have already failed, if it was to disable Al Qaeda then is was a moderate to good success.

However we seem to have the problem of losing sight of why we went in in the first place and have succumbed to the very bad habit of staying in the fight and cobbling together excuses after our initial objective is no longer there. It happened in Iraq and it is happening again in Afghanistan.

Right now we are refereeing a civil war between the Pashtun Taliban and a loose coalition of groups opposed to them, as in the past the 'Central Government' in Afghanistan will only last as long as a superpower is there to prop it up.

Afghanistan is a colonial invention whose various peoples only want a centralized state if their particular ethnic group has control, it's time to admit that Afghanistan is an arbitrary state and either leave and the people of Afghanistan finish their civil war to decide who is in power, or to stay and find a solution that finally gives independence to Afghanistan's different groups.

Mr. Thier's 'reasons' that Afghanistan is worth the fight is just a rehashing of the same old flim-flam.

 

JPWREL

10:41 AM ET

December 1, 2009

It seems to me that this

It seems to me that this article and almost every other one I have read on this subject believes that chasing ghosts in Afghanistan is essential if we are to save nuclear armed Pakistan from falling to radical Islamic forces. Most also seem to think that the issue is no longer containing al Qaeda since they are capable of planning terrorist missions virtually anywhere including in the west.

So if our immediate concern is Pakistani stability why not use our considerable military power to disarm Pakistan of its nuclear arsenal. It may be a difficult and complex mission but with our long relationship with Pakistan our intelligence and military forces should have a pretty good idea of how and where the weapons are stored. It could also take out Pakistani capability to manufacture additional weapons.

We seem to be obsessed with an Iranian capability to possibly manufacture nuclear weapons at some point in the future. It seems to me that since Pakistan possesses those weapons today plus the means to deliver them that they are a much more legitimate target. By declawing Pakistan we certainly enrage them but also neutralize a worrying nuclear threat.

 

JAYDEE001

10:54 AM ET

December 1, 2009

IT ALWAYS WAS THE BIGGER PROBLEM

"In the last few years a new and perhaps even bigger problem has emerged for the United States and its allies: the stability of Pakistan. "

This did not just happen. The government of Pakistan has been in crisis mode for much longer than the last few years. Pakistan's sole interest in Afghanistan is its potential as a lever against India, otherwise it never had any reason to care about who held power there. The main reason Pakistani security elements aided the Taliban was to make sure that a USSR-backed government, possibly one friendly to India, did not take root there. A resolution of the conflict between India and Pakistan would have left Afghanistan adrift, with no one caring much about its future.

The US took its eye off the ball in 2003. The only reason to have invaded Afghanistan was to capture or kill OBL and Mullah Omar, the architects of 9/11. When they escaped, or were allowed to escape into the tribal area of Pakistan, it should have been game over. The idea that we can wipe out al Queda in either place is foolish - that organization will simply re-emerge in another terrorist friendly location - Yemen, Somalia, etc.

 

GARY CRETHERS

1:24 PM ET

December 1, 2009

The Big Picture

The reunion of Pakistan with India would be one solution. Allowing the Pashto tribal areas to reunite in what is now southeastern Afghanistan and western Pakistan in an autonomous tribal entity under the loose control of Iran or India would be preferable to what we have now.
Northern Afghanistan could reunite with its Uzbek and Turkish neighbors to eventually form a central asian state that might be able to provide a stronger replacement for the weak states that exist there now.
What exists now is a holdover from the period of the great game played by Russia and Britain in the 19th century. With a resurgent China and India what is missing is a strong steppe nation something that has not existed in that region since the 18th century when Russia and Manchu China destroyed the Dzunghar nation. Sort of like resurrecting the Polish state in the 20th century after being destroyed in the 18th. A resurgent steppe culture could provide a sensible and native bulwark against the Caliphate based in west asia.
Traditionally that steppe nation would be Buddhist, would include Mongols, Tibetans and Turkish peoples. But since most of the Turks are Muslims now, it would be interesting to see if a central steppe nation could emerge that combined both religions or if the western steppe would align with a resurgent Caliphate and the Eastern steppe with a resurgent China as has often happened in the past.
The USA has almost no geopolitical reason to be in that part of the world and it would be much more intelligent to use a more Byzantine approach of making friends with the enemies of our enemies and allow them to fight one another rather than trying to overplay our hands and taking the approach of Imperial Rome using brute force where it is certainly not going to do us any good. Sometimes strength can be a weakness as it allows for a less subtle and discrete solution to a problem and leads to overconfidence and ultimately to a fall.
History shows us that the best way to deal with nomadic and tribal peoples is through trade and perceived strength rather than sending in massive military force to chase after the ghost like nature of tribal peoples who have no infrastructure to destroy or claim. What these people value is the freedom to roam their lands, to herd their animals and trade in the goods produced by more sedentary cultures. If they are agriculturalists they are going to grow high value trade crops such as opium, subsistence farming would only be a viable model if there were no market for more valuable crops.
The Chinese, Persians and Byzantines discovered over the centuries in dealing with nomads of the steppe and deserts that negotiation, trade and manipulation of one group against the other, with extending and withdrawing trade rights to be the best policy. The military really only served best when it was used to deter incursions not in trying to occupy essentially worthless tribal lands. When we attempt to chase they simply fade away into the remote regions. Our massive forces merely become tired out and subject to ambush.
The modern world is not all that different except for the intrusion of America with its exceptional attempt to create a Pax America that is keeping a more normal state of affairs from emerging.
A resurgent caliphate could provide just the sort of stability the middle east needs. Instead of battling we might do better picking a faction and supporting them and supporting a central asian steppe faction to oppose them and let 'nature' take its course.

 

F1FAN

3:57 PM ET

December 1, 2009

Sounds like a plan

But first political leaders of all nations, the US, NATO and the nations in the area would have to agree on dismantling the fantasy of sovereignty in Afghanistan and somehow get them to agree on borders, and of course the US would never back any of the situations you describe because it would Iran 'more' leverage in the region.

We like to imagine that a centralized Afghan state will provide a bulwark against Iran, sort of like we thought a centralized Iraq would be.

 

GOEDEL

10:18 AM ET

December 2, 2009

You don't make the right impression, Sir

You seem too well informed on the history and character of the region to have much influence among our ruling clan of ignoramuses, profiteers and narcissists. If you could "dumb it down" a bit, use the ungrammatical jargon of journalism and political speech, toss a bit of flattery about, you would be far more effective - if not in changing policy, at least in being recognized as a heavy-weight policy wonk.

 

GOEDEL

8:17 PM ET

December 1, 2009

Winning in Af-stan could be worse than losing.

For the US to achieve a victory through increased military commitments to Af-stan could be worse than losing, costly as that may be in lives and treasure. A victory would convince the imperialists who rule us that they have always be right; that we could have also won in Vietnam if we had unchained the military, as they wish us to believe.

There would be no end to American hybrus after a victory parade in Kabul - no end until our over-reaching stepped on the toes of an enemy that would be our nemesis.

Either way, the US victorious or defeated in Af-stan and now Pakistan, the ordinary people of all three countries will be poorer for it, those who survive.

 

ASHRAFSIDDIQUI

2:52 PM ET

December 2, 2009

Not a wise decision

War only is not the solution of any problem. Those who think that with war they can turn the table than they are living in fools’ paradise. We should learn from history if we are not capable of taking a wise decision. People, mostly Americans talks so much about Alqaeda and blame Pakistan of protecting its top leadership but they don’t admit that they failed miserably to capture or kill them when they had the chance and let them of the hook and now using Pakistan as the escape goat.

1)Who created Alqaeda and trained them against Soviets?

2)After the Soviets withdrawal from Afghanistan who termed Alqaeda’s top leaders as Hero?

3)Who abandoned Pakistan after the soviet departure to face all the burden and problems like militancy, drugs? Instead of taking active part in reconstruction of a war torn country and to help them to stand on their feet?

4)Existing American & NATO forces is around 70,000 and they are in Afghanistan since 2001. How the addition of 40,000 troops would win the war in 18 months when the 70,000 troops were not able to do so in the last 9 years? (That’s why I said living in a fools paradise)

5)Forget about Alqaeda taking over Pakistan’s nukes as the Pakistan army and the nation is strong enough to protect our asset. We too can also say for Americans that they were not able to protect the Twin Towers and are vulnerable for any kind of threat.

6)It would be better if Americans see Isreal with the same eyes as they do with Afghanistan and others. Oh I made the mistake of taking the name of Israel; Americans are so touchy when it comes to Isreal so much so that they vetoed every UN resolutions against them, so sorry.

 

KILL.CACTUS

2:24 PM ET

December 7, 2009

On the declining state in the country

In section two you say:
"In 2002, there were 69 hostile coalition deaths in Afghanistan, compared with 485 in 2009 thus far (with 77 in August alone)."

This was a justification for the argument that the conditions are deteriorating.

In 2002 the number of troops was at around 9 700 from the US and NATO (source: http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2009/12/01/politics/politicalhotsheet/entry5855314.shtml)

In 2009 the number is closer to 68 000 troops.

The ratio of troops to troop deaths has actually decreased, not increased: 69/9 700 vs 485/68 000

I do believe the situation has deteriorated, but this cannot be used as proof.