A $123 Trillion China? Not Likely.

The many, many reasons -- from the financial crisis to the country's aging population to environmental limitations -- why Robert Fogel's forecast for China is completely inconceivable. 

BY NICHOLAS CONSONERY | JANUARY 7, 2010

In his bombshell of a projection that China will produce $123 trillion in economic output by 2040, Robert Fogel conveniently dismisses any number of problems that threaten China's economic development, from environmental degradation to stalled political and economic reforms, by arguing that "Beijing has proven quite adept in tackling problems it has set out to address."

Past success is no guarantee of future results, and Fogel sets his entire analysis -- which implies an average annual growth rate of about 10.8 percent a year for more than 30 years -- on that shaky assumption, entirely overestimating the Chinese government's omniscience and its ability to overcome the country's enormous political, economic, and environmental challenges.

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These problems on almost every level will prove far more threatening than Fogel suggests. First, the financial crisis has stalled the process of economic liberalization in China and strengthened the state's role in market outcomes. Over time, this will certainly create a range of inefficiencies that hinder future growth. Beijing's stimulus response -- originally deployed last year to compensate for the fallout in global demand for Chinese exports -- will probably have permanent repercussions. Already, industry revitalization and consolidation programs, coupled with a massive influx of easy credit, are stifling the private sector (aside from real estate, which could present its own downside growth risk) and encouraging production overcapacities in state-controlled, export-intensive, heavy industries like steel and cement. The Chinese renminbi's steadfast dollar peg since mid-2008 is giving even more incentive for export firms to over produce, which will inevitably perpetuate a reliance for growth on exports to consumers in America, Europe, and Japan -- with all the risks that come with that dependency.

The leadership now looks less willing than it has in decades to abandon its economic control. Beijing won't soon forget that China's restricted system allowed the government to quickly mobilize fiscal and credit resources to rescue growth and prevent social instability in the face of serious economic crisis. Meanwhile, the more liberalized U.S. economy, once a model for China, remains burdened with surging debt and double-digit unemployment. The free market has lost a bit of its luster.

This heavier reliance on a state-led approach will doubly skew China's growth potential by dampening innovation and reducing the returns expected on sizable education investments. It will be enormously difficult for China to move beyond manufacturing to become an innovator without genuine reform of a political and economic system that stifles individual expression and creativity and directs massive human and financial resources toward less-innovative, state-owned firms. Fogel's expectations for education's growth contribution, based on education and productivity data in the United States, may not fully transmit to China. After all, China's top college graduates are actively seeking jobs in either government or state-owned firms, for higher salaries and job security. That's good for the bureaucracy, but not so good for innovation and entrepreneurialism.

Fogel warns that Europe faces some serious demographic challenges. True enough, but as Fogel only briefly acknowledges, China has an aging population of its own to reckon with. Chinese statistics show that the country's birthrate fell 42 percent from 1990 to 2007, and government projections suggest that by 2025, nearly a quarter of China's population will have celebrated its 60th birthday. Not surprisingly, Beijing is already considering ways to strengthen the country's inadequate social safety net, but this process carries its own policy risks and the country's fragmented pension system won't be fixed so easily. Local governments that operate their own social security funds will resist a push to centralize the effort, and the amount of capital needed from the central government to make benefits meaningful will meet fierce resistance from deficit hawks within China's Finance Ministry. If the leadership falls short in caring for the elderly (efforts to date have certainly been inadequate) this population will present a much larger than expected drag on economic growth.

But the most important reason why we won't see 1.4 billion Chinese earning an average of $85,000 per year is simply that the Earth can't sustain such rapid growth. Today, just 4 percent of China's people own their own automobile. Now multiply that number by 20 and imagine the environmental stresses China would have to manage as a result of such an increase -- not to mention the impact of price spikes for the traditional resources that will remain principal components in the energy mix for at least the next 20 years. Fogel's forecast seriously underestimates these problems.

The biggest environmental challenge for China's leadership will be in securing enough water to keep the economy afloat. Fogel predicts that the agricultural sector, China's heaviest water consumer by far, will remain an "underappreciated economic engine" for growth. But Beijing already faces water scarcity, and industrial growth plus urbanization will mean increasing demand on China's already-inadequate water resources. The Water Resources Group, coordinated by McKinsey & Company, recently forecast that without significant policy changes, China will face a 25 percent supply gap for expected water demand by 2030. This is an expectation of what will happen, not an outside possibility.

Beijing's capacity to cope with the complex issues tied to continued growth is anything but assured. It will face insurmountable difficulties, for example, in forcing local-level bureaucracies and companies to adhere to central-level environmental and economic policies. History suggests a far more pessimistic outlook: Despite the 20 years that have passed since Beijing mandated that local governments incorporate water environmental protection into their production and construction plans, and the numerous iterations of that policy since, China's Ministry of Environmental Protection's own data clearly shows a more than 34 percent increase in wastewater emission from 2000 to 2007 alone (a primary driver of water pollution). Nearly two-thirds of the population now believes that water pollution is China's most pressing environmental threat.

Is the world ready for the China that Fogel describes? A better question: Is China?

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Nicholas Consonery is a China analyst at Eurasia Group.

TOMHE

7:21 PM ET

January 7, 2010

China's own weight

If western world treat China as foe, then China become a foe. However, China's imminent foe is its own weight. That weight is getting heavier as China grows. Many western people noticed that Chinese become arrogant. I think it is a human fault when they all of sudden have a large amount of money in hand. Help them to spend wisely, and everybody of the world gets benefit.

 

TOMHE

7:21 PM ET

January 7, 2010

China's own weight

If western world treat China as foe, then China become a foe. However, China's imminent foe is its own weight. That weight is getting heavier as China grows. Many western people noticed that Chinese become arrogant. I think it is a human fault when they all of sudden have a large amount of money in hand. Help them to spend wisely, and everybody of the world gets benefit.

 

MENSOELREY

1:04 AM ET

January 8, 2010

Of course

I was hoping somebody would say this. $84,000 per capita in only 30 years?? What a joke. Fogel's analysis was stunningly selective and some of its faults were glaring. China is important, but at $123t, the entire world would tip into China in just one generation. Let us balance the opportunities for growth with a little Buddhistic temperance.

 

FREETRADER

8:52 AM ET

January 8, 2010

Okay

I am impressed by how quickly FP backtracked and published this counter to Mr. Fogel's embarrassing article.

 

ZEPPLIN

10:17 PM ET

January 8, 2010

Apples to Oranges

The original article also assumes $43 trillion US GDP from $14 trillion today, a growth of 4% p.a. for 30 years.

That would be the historical real growth rate since independence. Is that any more sustainable?

Have you considered that you are talking about $123 trillion 2010 dollars and that he might be talking about $123 trillion 2040 dollars?

If you are believe the nominal 2010 dollars is the correct metric, then why bother talking about the RMB peg? Your 10.8% per year for the next 30 year derivation prohibits any FX movements.

Fogel can be refuted without being disingenuous.

 

ERICYANGMINMIN

3:13 AM ET

January 9, 2010

?

If Fogel is talking about 2040 dollar, then it may happen, really.
If it's 2010 dollar, that's not likely as the author say.
But oil is not a problem. If china needs more oil and can produce anything that the US can produce, the oil price will rise in dollar terms, which means the american can't afford to drive as now. water is not a problem too: it's renewable resource, and can be recycled. Since Israel can survive with even scarcer water,China can make it too.
The only real problem, is whether China can generate abundant advanced techs, and if China make it, or even become more advanced than the US, regarding to its mass and scale efficiency, it will become much more powerful than the US.

 

FREETRADER

5:33 AM ET

January 10, 2010

Not Likely...

China has a nice niche as a low-cost manufacturer, but the idea that it can 'manufacture anything the US can produce' is nonsense. A rise in the world price of oil, if the world cannot reduce its oil dependency, is going to hurt the poor and developing countries first, which means China. You are correct, though, that one of the major hurdles facing China is its lousy universities. A computer programmer or engineer from most Chinese universities is generally of very low quality -- the PRC has increased the number of 'university' students by vasty watering down the quality of both the students and the education they receive.

 

GRANT

3:40 AM ET

January 9, 2010

For any nation to have $123

For any nation to have $123 trillion in current dollars is ludicrous, There isn't even that much money on the planet. If we assume that Fogel meant $123 trillion in inflation it might make more sense, but Mr. Fogel never once mentions inflation in his article, nor is he convincing to me in the argument that inflation really will hit a point in just thirty years where inflation makes $123 trillion the equivalent of today's U.S and $14 trillion.

Also, as mentioned in this rebuttal, I don't feel that he takes the sheer size of China into account. On water we can safely assume that the growing water crisis will eventually spur desalination technologies and the like, but I doubt anyone can be certain that it would be enough to satisfy a population of close to two billion, particularly when that water will have to come from areas where neighboring nations have claims to the water as well.

For demographics he doesn't even directly mention the serious gap in male/female populations in China. With a preference for boys in rural and urban areas and an easy means by which to see what the gender is early on in the pregnancy this means that China has been forced to look for women elsewhere, including abroad. If the flow of women marrying Chinese men is stable this probably won't be too much of a problem on its own, but I doubt many neighboring Asian nations will be pleased with a sudden growth of young men in the country without an accompanying one of women to marry. I won't deny the possibility that China would somehow have a variant of the One Child urban policies to demand a growth in the female population, but that remains hypothetical.

On the citizenry, I'll agree that most Asian nations seem to have a culture with an emphasis on productivity, but when Mr. Fogel mentions how China's higher education is growing I have to wonder. He states that "In 1998, then-President Jiang Zemin called for a massive increase in enrollment in higher education" and that enrollment rose 165%. I have to ask, how? Did Chinese culture change so drastically that people suddenly decided to start going to college instead of working? Did colleges lower qualification standards? Did the quality of high school education rise?
He is correct that in Western Europe there was a large rise in the number of people going to college, but that doesn't include the fact that Western European nations are developed as opposed to developing. Developed nations currently rely on services and therefore college educations as the primary part of the market while developing rely on industry and therefore don't need college degrees as heavily. In thirty years time it might be possible for China to make the shift to a developed nation, but I consider South Korea and Taiwan to be more likely.

Lastly, there are several political problems that China hasn't been able to resolve. Tibet and Xinjiang occasionally flare up and without some kind of empowerment or at least a semblance of one they won't go away any time soon. North Korea seems only to last because of aid from China and two of it's worst rivals (S. Korea and the U.S), creating a constant headache for China on what to do if the government does fall. Taiwan can be said to be resolved in the sense that war isn't likely, but status quo is what we can expect for a while. Perhaps we could say that at the culmination of 2040 Taiwan might reunite with China peacefully, but I don't like to make broad assumptions with nationalism.

To summarize, I have thought for several years that China is somewhat over hyped and I still think that. Do I think that China will be a powerful player in the coming years? We already know the answer to that question, indeed with such a large population and a proximity to several important regions it couldn't be anything but powerful. However we have already seen this once with Japan twenty years ago. If I sound nationalist then forgive me, but lets talk about why you think I'm wrong.

 

INFERNALDISASTER

10:48 AM ET

January 9, 2010

Bubble

Putting aside the fact his numbers don't add up, Mr. Fogel seems to believe China's economy is wrapped in a protective bubble, completely free from external and even internal pressures.

Even if everything goes right for China, $123 Trillion is simply not obtainable.

 

INFERNALDISASTER

8:37 AM ET

January 9, 2010

Finally...

I'm glad for this rebuttal, the $123 Trillion was the most absurd economic prediction I've ever read (as it failed on so many levels).

Mr. Fogel should be embrassed by posting such rubbish.

I have nothing against the Chinese people, my critism is directed soley at Mr. Fogel and his absurd predictions.

 

DANIEL

4:50 PM ET

January 9, 2010

This is a very well-written

This is a very well-written article. Couldn't be more truthful. But Fogel will no doubt get his name all over the news like the mongoose boot'r he is because of his $123 trillion prediction. There's no way everyone in China can go from riding bikes to owning cars so quickly, but the guy is sure to be cited for years to come.

 

BOBHWILLIAMS

6:49 PM ET

January 9, 2010

Minxin Pei made similar arguments ...

Minxin Pei made some similar argument in this rebuttal, from Carnegie Endowment's website, 'China's Not A Superpower,' here: http://www.carnegieendowment.org/publications/index.cfm?fa=view&id=24404.

 

ANONYMOUS_BLOGGER

7:54 AM ET

January 11, 2010

$80 000

$80 000 nominal GDP per capita in China by 2040 might sound very impressive for a person living today but according to a website $1 from 1980 was worth $3.74 in 2007 in nominal GDP value.

2040 is in 30 years. If you take past figures, $80 000 in 2040 would be worth a quarter of what it is today, so $20 000.

$20 000 nominal GDP per capita today is high, don't get me wrong, but in 2008 it was close to $50 000 in the USA according to the IMF.

The Czech Republic and South Korea were at $20 000 according to the IMF.

Regards,