Why India Is No Villain

Barbara Crossette is wrong: This rising power helps solve far more problems than it creates.

BY NITIN PAI | JANUARY 7, 2010

According to the Financial Times' Lucy Kellaway, "Elephant in the Room" was the most popular cliché to appear in major newspapers and journals in 2009. It is perhaps appropriate then that Barbara Crossette's latest diatribe against India appeared in Foreign Policy under that headline. Although it claims to show that India causes "the most global consternation" and "gives global governance the biggest headache," it is merely a series of rants and newsroom clichés selected entirely arbitrarily to support the author's prejudice.

Listing India's alleged failings, Crossette makes the unfathomable assertion that it is India that causes the most consternation and the biggest headache for the world -- more than Afghanistan, Iran, Venezuela, North Korea, Pakistan, and China. Without an attempt to compare the failings across countries (And why only these countries? Why leave out the West and the rest?), it is logically impossible to arrive at the conclusion that one of them is the biggest culprit. But once you trade logic for hyperbole, you can fit just about any animal you like into the room. For Crossette, it is the pachyderm.

Consider these facts instead: The only country to have militarily intervened to halt an ongoing genocide is India, which it did in East Pakistan (Bangladesh) in 1971. After the December 2004 tsunami, it was India's navy that was the first international responder, deploying within 24 hours and delivering humanitarian assistance to Sri Lanka, Indonesia, and the Maldives. It subsequently coordinated operations with the United States, Japan, and Australia. India has been involved in U.N. peacekeeping from the very beginning and remains one of the biggest troop contributors to this day, often putting its soldiers in danger in conflicts that have nothing to do with national interests. Indian naval ships are also involved in maritime security operations from Somalia to the Strait of Malacca. Even this partial list is enough to prove that India is not, as Crossette believes, "a country of outsize ambition but anemic influence."

Let's take a closer look at Crossette's rap sheet. First, she agrees with a quote from an article that appeared in the Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists, a journal that advocates arms control (hardly a neutral source), arguing that India's refusals to sign the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty and the Comprehensive Test Ban Treaty make it "comparable to other defiant nuclear states [and] will undoubtedly contribute to a deteriorating security environment in Asia." She doesn't explain how, because she would be hard-pressed to prove that India's "contribution" is comparable to that of China, which helped put the bomb in the hands of the likes of Pakistan, or North Korea, which brazenly violated the treaty it signed. Actions matter more than signatures.

Second, on the Doha round of trade negotiations, Crossette blames India for single-handedly foiling a deal that "nobody loved, but one that would have benefited developing countries most." Does she really know better than the developing countries themselves? It seems odd that they would not love a deal that "would have benefited [them] most." It is just as presumptuous and illogical to blame the failure of Doha on India alone. Gideon Rachman, for instance, argues that "the Doha round ultimately broke down because of a stand-off between the United States, India, China and the European Union over agricultural trade." Turns out it takes more than one hand to wreck a multilateral deal.

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PBC

11:25 PM ET

January 7, 2010

Bravo Mr. Pai

A fitting rejoinder Mr. Pai. Ms. Cross needs some schooling in the basics of journalistic integrity.

 

SEYAM17

11:01 AM ET

January 12, 2010

History discovered,re-discovered,re-re-discovered,great show.

I did not know, that history could be so elastic,, that events and motives to a particular action could be added with retrospective effect.

That falsehood can be challenged and met with more intense falsehood. poor Goebbels, he finds himself totally outsmarted and outdated in today's context. Even late Smt. Indira Gandhi (where ever she is). would be awestruck and pleasantly surprised at the innovative ways motive are being manufactured for the East Pakistan invasion in 1971.

One more reason I remember for the invasion,(apart from the many cited by my friends), is that Smt.Gandhi was running was running a government that was heavily dependent on left and they were constantly demanding their pound of flesh. This presented her an opportunity to resurrect her sagging image and resulted in her getting more than 360 seats in 1972 elections. Of course,we had to pay heavily for this in the form of 10 million refugees, and 90 thousands captured Pakistani troops. Indian common mam had to suffer in the form of extra postage in the form of refugee relief stamps and increased cost of petroleum.

Wars never gain any thing for any country, as my American friends would agree, as they are facing the unending stream of coffins for the last two decades (almost).

There was some sanity in what Ms.Barbara & Mr. Nitin Pai said. but the comments, the less said the better about the quality.

Keep manufacturing,

best of luck,

Shyam
www.twitter.com/shyam17

 

BOBBY

1:25 AM ET

January 8, 2010

Why are we so worked up over the writings of this lady?

Ms. Crossette went to India with an exaggerated sense of self-importance that didn't impress many over there. It didn't help that she had never quite understood the concepts of journalistic ethics and objectivity. She was rude and aggressive, quick to judge, and dismissive of people who welcomed her into their country. She alienated India and its people through her own arrogance and conceit. They were glad to see her go. So she's been nursing a deep resentment towards India all these years.

Lady, you are in your seventies. Get over your vanity and your petty grievances. Spend these last few years in meditation or in helping the needy.

Take Miralax regularly. It will do your insides and your disposition a world of good.

 

JUST HERE

2:57 AM ET

January 8, 2010

get a life and take some criticism

Mr Pai, please learn to take criticism for once! enough of Indian arrogance.

your article is only making excuses and blaming others. get over the colonial and western complex, will ya!

do not deny the injustice in your society or your foreign policy !

Shame on You.

 

HIMAL

1:07 PM ET

January 8, 2010

Mr coward calling himself

Mr coward calling himself just here stop posting drivel here and learn to take others viewpoints

 

VOICEFROMABOVE

8:06 PM ET

January 14, 2010

are you for real

Let me criticize you and see if you take it. 'Making excuses and blaming others' is what the original author did. This criticism is coming from the only country to have used nuclear weapons in the history of mankind and considers its threat as the only real threats. Slinging mud at others and then expecting them to just lie down and take it is rather condescending. Such behavior is immature and taking human evolution backwards.

 

SIDDHARTH3

5:52 AM ET

January 8, 2010

Criticism is needed, but it has to be fair.

All the points that Barbara makes are points that India has been criticised in the past, and continues to be today. Even within India, Indians criticise the government for several of its actions, including the ones mentioned.

However, Mr. Pai's objective was clear at the outset: "Listing India's alleged failings, Crossette makes the unfathomable assertion that it is India that causes the most consternation and the biggest headache for the world -- more than Afghanistan, Iran, Venezuela, North Korea, Pakistan, and China. Without an attempt to compare the failings across countries (And why only these countries? Why leave out the West and the rest?)"

Surely, even if all these allegations are true, does that make India a greater pain at the international level as Pak, North Korea, Iran, Afghanistan, Venezuela, or even the USA?

Any sane person know the countries listed above are potentially greater international rule breakers than India is.

 

COMATOSE51

9:37 AM ET

January 8, 2010

Stop Pretending It was Strictly Humanitarian

"The only country to have militarily intervened to halt an ongoing genocide is India, which it did in East Pakistan (Bangladesh) in 1971. "

No that's not really true. That's only as true as saying that the Allies in WWII intervened militarily to stop the Holocaust.

India was bordering Pakistan on two sides of its country and would love nothing more to have only one border. It intervened because it was in the interest of its security and the unrest in East Pakistan gave it the opportunity to do it. If we are to believe that India is some heroic country that goes around stopping genocides, we have to wonder why it stopped after 1971 and let so many other far worse atrocities go on.

While there is no doubt that India's intervention saved many lives, the war was fought largely based on security concerns, not humanitarian concerns. On top of that, the Allied actions in WWII preceded the 1971 war and saved countless people as well. The Tutsi rebel's intervention is the Rwandan genocide should also count as well as the NATO intervention in Kosovo. In all cases, however, humanitarian reasons were not the primary concern.

 

KXB

9:55 AM ET

January 8, 2010

So?

Pai never said the 1971 war was primarily about humanitarian concerns. A war can serve multiple interests. You also seem to overlook the fact that 10 millions Bengali refugees came into India before the war, and India had to bear that cost.

 

DV1978

10:48 AM ET

January 8, 2010

Neither barbara nor nitin pai is compelety objective

Barbara Crossette's article indeed appears to be influenced by her own prejudices against India. That said, I agree with some of her points. India needs to probably to do more than appear intransigent on multilateral forums - however justified that may be. I think its a question of image rather than concrete actions. The problems with India that she points out -- corruption etc. are well known, but ones which Indians tend to ignore more than we probably should. All said and done -- despite all its "evils", India is no more a villain than the US, UK or Canada when it comes to climate chnage and other global issues.
Nitin Pai is more objective than Barbara -- his rebuttal is great. He could have done without his argument about the generous liberation of Bangladesh.

 

COMATOSE51

11:32 AM ET

January 8, 2010

@KXB

Then what he said is patently untrue.

"The only country to have militarily intervened to halt an ongoing genocide is India, which it did in East Pakistan (Bangladesh) in 1971. "

During WWII, countless millions were saved from the Axis armies because of the actions of the Allies. Military actions that halted atrocities has happened on multiple occasions.

 

COMATOSE51

11:37 AM ET

January 8, 2010

@DV1978

Agreed. I don't know how the original article was even written and published. That's such an expansive statement to make. I think Pai brings up a good point about why wasn't the West considered part of the contenders as being the worst villain. Both writers are really stretching and grosses over many facts. That said, I think Pai's rebuttal only adds Barbara Crossette's point that the reality of India is not nearing as great as the image it projects. By being less than truthful, Pai is only adding to Crossette's point.

 

KXB

2:07 PM ET

January 8, 2010

Stopping genocide

WWII was not fought to end the Holocaust. Keep in mind that most of the fighting occurred between Germany and the Soviet Union, and the Russians were not fighting to liberate death camps, but to kick the Germans out of their country. No speeches by FDR or Churchill referenced the Holocaust as one of the reasons for fighting. Genocide was not discussed until after the war was over.

OTOH, India was highlighting the genocide in East Pakistan in early 1971, well before its army overran the territory in December of that year. India was the first country to refer to it as genocide and specifically cited ending the genocide in both public pronouncements by prime mininister Gandhi, and it was also discussed among India's military brass when they briefed civilian authorities.

So, Pai is correct.

 

RAHUL

2:58 PM ET

January 8, 2010

Great patent Knowledge of history Comatose

But i have a bit doubt..did the major allied country..USA joined the war to save lives or it joined after attack on its territory..The pearl harbor.....And did British and French fought Germany for saving other nations or their own sovereignty? See even i don't know..Trying to guess if Britishers and French had a humanitarian aim as major agenda to fight Germany. It might be true because they they declared war to maintain Polish neutrality. But then it may imply that British and French didn't Consider people of Austria, Czechoslovakia, and were not humans. "
Following lengthy negotiations and blatant war threats from Hitler, British Prime Minister Neville Chamberlain with French leaders tried to appease Hitler. In the Munich Agreement of September 30, 1938, the major European powers allowed German troops to occupy the Sudetenland, for the sake of "peace in our time". Czechoslovakia had already mobilized over one million men and was prepared to fight for independence, but was not allowed to participate in the conference. When the French and British negotiators informed the Czechoslovak representatives about the agreement, and that if Czechoslovakia would not accept it, France and Britain would consider Czechoslovakia to be responsible for war." (Wikipedia)

I am trying to understand, if fight for one's own nation when under attack is same as helping to stop a genocide in a neighboring nation?

 

RAHUL

3:06 PM ET

January 8, 2010

Great patent Knowledge of history Comatose. Errata

But i have a bit doubt..did the major allied country..USA joined the war to save lives or it joined after attack on its territory..The pearl harbor.....And did British and French fought Germany for saving other nations or their own sovereignty? See even i don't know..Trying to guess if Britishers and French had a humanitarian aim as major agenda to fight Germany. It might be true because they they declared war to maintain Polish neutrality. But then it may imply that British and French didn't Consider people of Austria, Czechoslovakia as humans.
"Following lengthy negotiations and blatant war threats from Hitler, British Prime Minister Neville Chamberlain with French leaders tried to appease Hitler. In the Munich Agreement of September 30, 1938, the major European powers allowed German troops to occupy the Sudetenland, for the sake of "peace in our time". Czechoslovakia had already mobilized over one million men and was prepared to fight for independence, but was not allowed to participate in the conference. When the French and British negotiators informed the Czechoslovak representatives about the agreement, and that if Czechoslovakia would not accept it, France and Britain would consider Czechoslovakia to be responsible for war." (Wikipedia)
I am trying to understand, if fight for one's own nation when under attack is same as helping to stop a genocide in a neighboring nation?

 

THEFINEPRINT

8:24 PM ET

January 8, 2010

I agree with Comatose and DV

You guys make great points.

I wrote this over on the "Elephant in in the room board"

"There are many troublesome nations in Asia. Most of these nations do very little to contribute to the global community, are highly unstable and impossible to deal with. The problem that I see with India is that they are not those other countries. They are an amazing nation, a global leader with so much to contribute. But the defiance in the face of the international community, the obscene military spending, the economic disparity, poverty and fractured internal security apparatus are issues not fitting a great nation such as India. Now, please let me emphasize that the United States is no better at times for sure. In the U.S. we have the same problems and lord knows similar articles, some more and some less scathing could be written about about the U.S. China and Russia as well. But that is not the discussion at hand."

 

JAMES MOODY

2:46 AM ET

February 4, 2010

Re: Stop Pretending It was Strictly Humanitarian

First, Indians tend not to remember 1971 as a Pakistani civil war, but rather as India’s good war. This is the fact. It is remembered as an intervention by India to prevent the genocide of Bengalis by Pakistanis. Another fact that the Bengalis themselves were also Pakistanis has been effaced from the collective memory of Indian elites. This makes 1971 merely another Kashmir, or Kargil, Afghanistan or Mumbai—an instance of Pakistan meddling in other people’s affairs, and of the Pakistani military’s adventurism in the region.The other challenge I see, is that Pakistanis have not learned from 1971. Then, West Pakistanis refused to yield power. We can not expect that Indian leaders will send flowers to Pakistani leaders and everythnig will be okay. Today, Punjabis refuse to share political power in all but the most superficial ways with any other ethnic group. Can you imagine a Pashtun or Balochi President or Prime Minister? Then, East Pakistanis were sending all their wealth West, while they remained economically restrained. Today, Balochis suffer without food, heat or electricity while Punjabis enjoy the benefits of cheap Sui gas. Those who don’t learn from history are doomed to repeat it. If Pakistanis, don’t learn the correct lessons of 1971 (that it was their own policies, not India, which broke their nation in two), history is bound to repeat itself.

 

JATI S HOON

10:39 AM ET

January 8, 2010

Why India is No Villain

Since Barbara Crossette has converted to Islam,, she has joined the Islamic Jahadhi group and decided that her Fiirst target should be India and disrupt its plurality, and sow the seeds of communal disharmony, just like Pakistan, who is desperately trying to destroy India with its ISI , Jahadhi Mullahs and terrorists. Last time when she spoke in a gathering, she started,Allah is great and Islam is the best religion ever invented..

 

COMATOSE51

11:53 AM ET

January 8, 2010

Wow

Even disregarding the lack of proof for what you're claiming about her, your statement presupposes that anyone who is a Muslim hates India, which is really unfair and untrue about the sizable Muslim Indian minority.

 

GLOBALCITIZ

1:52 PM ET

January 8, 2010

Re:Wow

Well Comatose1, oen observation I have made living in various countries in the world is that no matter what country you love in, muslims never belong to that country. They are always muslims and never integrate with the citizens. This causes a lot of grief in any country the migrate to. Look around you.
Now regarding India-pak wars. I looked up wikipedia(now I assume thats written by someone unpartial) at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indo-Pakistani_War_of_1965 and it looks like India mostly was defending an attack on their land. Correct me.

 

SHAKIR

11:55 AM ET

January 8, 2010

why India should not be exposed?

first of all i am not surprized that Mr Nitin has come up with the defence of India because he is an Indian. Natoionalism prevailed.
The Nationalism and all justifications furthered would not stand because of the followings:

India is the only state which has designs to expand.
it ate the Sikkim, Illegally Occupying Kashmir, many other parts of the territories which actually belong to Pakistan according to Partition document.Hyderabad Deccan was supposed to be an Independent state but has been eaten up by India.

State sponsored terrorism inflicted on its neighbors.
Pakistan, China and siri lanke as well as Banglades.

Nitin talked about India's noble role in invading east pakistan to stop Muslims' geocide there (according to his construed opinion) but what happened in Gujrat should Pakistani or Chinese army have invaded India to stop that??

If India is such a great Democratic country in the world then whay ther are in countless secessionist movements raging throughout India? 3/4 of India is not in the control of the central Government?

I have predicted in many of my articles that India would break up in very short time not due to any outside interference but because it is an un-natural bondage of variously diverse nations who do not wish to be called Indian.

if you can digest the name Indian has become a name calling across the world. when one has to degrade someone He says "You bloody Indian,m... f..." Just like Holy Cow has gained currency.

No personal hurst is meant. Just Narated what is out there factially.

 

HIMAL

1:15 PM ET

January 8, 2010

shame on shakir online jehadi

I can watch with fun the online jehadi shakir trying to whip up emotions with half truths.

Shakir how about talking the daily shia massacres in pakistan.

The ritual slaughteing of ahmediyyas in pakistan.

Lets talk about the genocide taking place in balochistan and on the streets of karachi.

The killings of tibetans and uighurs in china.

come on mr jihadi be sympatheic to them too

jiye jiye sindh, pakistan na khappay

 

SHAKIR

11:59 AM ET

January 8, 2010

correction to the above

the last word is "factually"

 

SHAKIR

12:11 PM ET

January 8, 2010

Indian exposed

there is yet another desh baght (Country loyalist) showing himself off on sundays at CNN.

I recently exposed his hatred towards Pakistan
read my article

GPS- Gaffe Par Sans of Faredd Zakaria:

you can get to it by typing the title, as above, on any search engine.

Also read "Balkanization Of India"

 

HIMAL

1:18 PM ET

January 8, 2010

also google for why pakistan

also google for why pakistan is a failed state and pakistan is killing its minorities -- shia, ahmediyyas, balochis, mujharis. and why pakistan was behind the killing of daniel pearl and the recent blast in cia base in afghanistan

 

AAKRITITANDON

1:37 PM ET

January 8, 2010

I dont think this discussion

I dont think this discussion is impartial anymore. Crossette's article was a disgrace to journalism. I disagree with a few of Pai's responses too -- he was not completely objective-- he responded in the same spirit as Barbara. However, reading the responses to his article makes me wonder about the misconceptions out there, and the fact that people are willing to make allegations without backing them up with solid facts.

Well, for one secessionist movements are not exclusive to non-democracies. A democratic state can face them as well. As for India's expansionist intentions, India has not initiated an attack on a neighbor-- Pakistan has fought India numerous times only to be defeated every single time. Thus, although India is far more powerful militarily and economically, it does not intervene in its neighbor's affairs. The allegation about India government sponsoring terrorism in Pakistan, China, Bangladesh is seriously ridiculous! It is not news that Pakistan is the one trying to create problems in Kashmir. And India has not abetted the Tibetans with money or arms to create problems there -- they are peacefully fighting to preserve their culture. As far as thwarting secessionist movements, you should understand that no state is willing to let a few thousand people revolt and decide they want a separate state. An advanced Western democracy like Canada does not allow Quebec to be autonomous either. Is Great Britain or Spain not a democracy--- for they have their share of separatists too in the form of N Ireland and the Basques. India has attempted to accommodate its divergent population. This is not an easy task considering the vast diversity of the country. However, it certainly does better on democracy and freedom than its neighbors on either side. South Asia is a troubled spot... with few states having achieved a perfect democracy yet--- India is a beacon of hope amongst the midst of authoritarian regimes that refuse their citizens basic freedoms and human rights. Surely, you cannot argue against this -- as the track record in Pakistan, Bangladesh, Burma/ Myanmar, Sri Lanka is hopeless on these issues.

Now, about corruption in India. It is a serious problem that cannot be ignored. Indians can and should do a lot more about it than is being done at present. However, Pai correctly asserts that India cannot be given the sole credit / discredit for bringing down multilateral deals at Doha/ Copenhagen or for ousting officials in highly influential institutions. Would the Western states and the US be sitting and watching while India conducts strategic maneuvers at the World Bank? To assume this is to be naive.

I am really surprised FP is not holding its contributors to any journalistic standards. This dialogue amounted to nothing more than personal bashing, was not intelligent and was certainly not meant in the true spirit of a debate.

 

THEFINEPRINT

8:33 PM ET

January 8, 2010

Aakrititandon's post proves...

Aakrititandon's post proves that if he and a few of us sat down with pens and some paper we could write waaaay better articles than Crossette and Pai pretty quickly! : ) Nice post Aakrititandon.

 

DIRECT_HEX

10:26 AM ET

January 11, 2010

I don't think it was ever going to impartial

It's a case of a plague on both your houses with this one. Crossete raised some interesting issues, though with the finesse of a cluster-bomb and this response is Nationalist claptrap. Add the raving loons posting on here to prove how right their viewpoint is.. its fun.. then again .. a must for online website that require hits.

 

TRUTH_BEARER

4:06 PM ET

January 8, 2010

Don't get me started on Muslims

Given the reign of Islamic terror for about ten centuries, it's hardly surprising that Muslims are not liked in India. What IS surprising is that they have lived in relative peace, enjoying more than their share in India's new prosperity unlike their non-muslim counterparts in their illustrious Islamic neighbors to the West and East. For the factually-impaired, the percentage of Muslims in India has remained about the ame or seen a slight increase compared to the numbers immediately after partition, whereas the percentage of non-muslims in Pakistan has fallen from about 24% to under 2% since partition.

Nowhere else in the world did Islam have as easy a time in totally overwhelming the conquered as they did in India. Look at America's reaction to Islam after 9/11. India has endured 9/11s a few hundred times if not a thousand times over a period of ten centuries through out the length and breath of the country. Show me a mosque in India that's over two hundred years old and chances are that it was built on top of a Hindu temple. So when people talk about Gujarat riots and the destruction of Babri Masjid, my reaction is that if this happens continually for the next thousand years only then can we talk about Islam and Hinduism in the same breath. When there were reports that copies of the "Holy" Quran were flushed down toilets in Guantanamo Bay, my reaction was "Good what goes around, comes around even if takes a thousand years". Pathetic as their history is India is , what makes it even worse is that they're totally unapologetic about it. Of course, why should they, when the Congress party that's been in power for fifty years has managed to completely re-write history to suit Muslims ?

 

DIRECT_HEX

10:21 AM ET

January 11, 2010

Really? Are You Serious?

I'm sorry this contribution is dripping fascism, you're serious about all this? Scary.

 

MO283

7:12 PM ET

January 8, 2010

Why India is Villain

Becaues of their hipocracy and double standards.They dont do what say and they dont say what they mean. You cannot trust them.

They can go to any limit to achieve their goals. The most successful story of their succes is the drama of Bombay attacks. How beutifully the Indian spy agency RAW staged that drama only and only to stop President Obama to go ahead with his plans to resolve the disputes in south asia and we have to admire indai on their this great achivement, they are so clever that they dont even hesitate to kill their own innocent people to achive their goals.

Now what they are doing in Aganistan. They say that they are their to help Afganistan yes they may be doing that but actually they are using their country to destabalise Paksitan by supporting and funding Pakistnai Talabans and millitants in Balochistan who are killing dozens of innocent people, women and children everyday on the streets of paksitan and why is that because there is no dought all that India has not accepted Pakistan as a separate country yet.

But this is the misfortune of the world there are no one in the whole world who can convince the clever and big loud mouth indians. NO matter whatever you write or say they are so clever they will come up with their new made up reasons and answers.

 

HIMAL

11:35 PM ET

January 8, 2010

yet another online jehadi

yet another online jehadi with half baked conspiracy theories fed to him by loony TV terrorist Zaid hamid,, you people will continue to wallow in your own dirt purlander

 

THEFINEPRINT

7:40 PM ET

January 8, 2010

It is nice to see dialogue taking place

It is nice to see dialogue taking place between this article and Mrs. Crossette's. Though I am extremely turned off by the abundance of comments referring to her as "Babs" and other disrespectful comments. A lot of the guys who are crossing this line should scale it back a bit. It is poor form. Attack the content not the author. Like I said, it is poor form. The author of this article Mr. Pai, though I commend him for writing a passionate piece in a rather timely fashion, right out of the gate chose to go for the low blow. Poking fun at the simplicity of Crossette's title, as if she was simple minded. Gentleman, journalists such as her do not write for the NYT for that long if your not at the top of your game - lay off on the personal attacks and stick to the facts.

Let examine the facts that led to Crossette's article. Perhaps it would be worth while for us to take a deeper look at some of her sources - specifically the one she refers to. Having reviewed the highly detailed Bulletin of Atomic Scientist's article before this thread started I first and foremost suggest that the unwavering, across the board defenders of all things Indian review more facts. Here is a link to the Bulletin article that I found: http://cryptome.org/in-dual-tech.pdf The piece lays out a very convincing and at times almost indisputable argument regarding India's role in the arms control and nonproliferation community across many years. The piece is laid out like a legal case. It would have been nice if the author of this article took a moment to read it. Had he done so he could have cited factual material and not took a blindly led and extremely broad swipe at a very reputable publication that both Albert Einstein and Hans Bethe wrote for - along with many Nobel Laureates.

I would have truly appreciated Mr. Pal's article more had he came to the plate with some criticism of his home country. No nations is perfect and far too many pro-Indian writers mirror the fashion he exhibits perfectly in this article. Please do not let me come off too critical of the author. I respect him for his love for and knowledge of his country, but it highlights a sentiment that is building in many academic minds. That sentiment being, India can be very stubborn and unwilling to hear views that conflict with their own. Much like this article demonstrates.

Best wishes to all.

 

SREEKANTH

8:30 AM ET

January 9, 2010

I skimmed the Bulletin

I skimmed the Bulletin article that you referenced, and I can't say I'm convinced that India is in the wrong.

The article seems to start with the philosophical position that the acquisition of dual-use technology (by India) for developing advanced weapons, such as nuclear or space-based, is in and of itself a bad thing, and encourages the US to try to stop it.

On the other hand, my philosophical position is more in tune with Abdul Kalam's quote, about India being in a dangerous neighborhood. More fundamentally, I'm a believer in peace through strength, and also in Indian exceptionalism, which the article seems to find horrifying. As it so happens, I also believe in American exceptionalism, primarily because of our shared characteristics, so there is no contradiction.

When you come right down to it, dual use technology is as American as apple pie. We are regularly reminded that velcro, the internet, and that stupid pen that can write upside down are civilian spinoffs of defense research. Similarly, our commercial sector feeds into our defense sector. Why should it be any different in India ?

 

ARIA

12:04 AM ET

January 9, 2010

Muslim bashing

Truth_bearer,

I think you speak for yourself when you say that Muslims are not liked in India. India is a vibrant and tolerant society in which Muslims along with all other creeds live harmoniously for the most part. You are perpetuating the old Hindutva line of thinking about mosques built over Hindu temples when you should be acknowledging the great contributions of Muslims to India in arts, literature and architecture. Let bygones be bygones and accept the new realities of today and deal with the fact that India is better off because of ten centuries of Muslim rule, which has enriched India with monuments like the Taj Mahal, its rich literature, poetry and music. India is dynamic and influx and that is why it is a great country unlike any other South Asian nation.

Jai Hind.

 

SRRS

1:04 AM ET

January 9, 2010

muslims

Most indian muslims have been and continue to be patriotic citizens. They are indispensable to India's progress and standing. As a non-muslim, I have nothing but brotherly affection for them.

 

SRRS

12:58 AM ET

January 9, 2010

crossette

I am not sure Crossette needs a response. Her biases are clear and known to people who have read her before. She's a good example of why most journalists are never thought to be very smart or scholarly in academic circles.

But on a different note, see:
what FAIR says about Crossette:
http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=1025

http://www.swans.com/library/art6/ga088.html

You can fool some people some of the time but not all the people all the time!

 

PBC

9:55 AM ET

January 9, 2010

Excellent links

Thanks for the links. So Fairness and Accuracy in Reporting questioned Crossette's journalistic integrity. Accuses her of failing to challenge the State Department's spin on Iraq.

Here's another link: http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=1773

 

MO283

5:01 PM ET

January 9, 2010

Offcourse Indias is Villain of the World

Why becouse they have always had double standards towards every international issue they do not do what they say and they do say what they mean. The history shows and if we want to win war against millitants and alqaida the world must do something about indian negative behaviour in the region and have to recognize the true and real face of India who even named the nuclear blast the Smilling Budha what a shame.

 

SRRS

12:58 AM ET

January 10, 2010

Mullah 283

Did you learn your English at the local Islamabad Madrassah???

 

MO283

10:28 AM ET

January 10, 2010

Terrorist.............SRRS

Don' t be ashamed to be exposed to the world and please remain on topic if you could . By the way i am not from your troubled and terrorist areas like India, Pakistani, Afganistan or whatever, I only write for peace and harmony among people, nations and religions and I hate any face of terrorists whether they are in the shape of Mullahs, Talabans, Alqaidas, State Terrorists like Indian Raw's Agents or in whatever other faces. To me they are all criminals of humanity and I feel sorry for people like you who defend them online.

 

GETREALO

9:07 AM ET

January 12, 2010

I'll be damned!!

This is the first time I am coming across anyone who is not from Pakistan and yet believes Indians are behind the taliban. MO282 - you are one of a kind.