Let Them Leave

Why migration is the best solution for Haiti's recovery.

BY MICHAEL A. CLEMENS | JANUARY 27, 2010

Long before the calamity in Haiti, many Haitians and their families benefited from working abroad, and many, including me, have suggested allowing more Haitian immigrants into the United States as a way to help the country's economy recover.

It might seem strange that the best solution to Haiti's woes lies outside its borders, but migration and remittances have been responsible for almost all of the poverty reduction that has happened in the island country over the past few decades. They have done enormously more good than any policy intended to reduce poverty inside Haiti during that time. Any poverty-reduction strategy for Haiti going forward that does not include what has been Haitians' most successful poverty-reduction strategy to date is not a serious one.

This idea is a no-brainer if we take a minute to look at the numbers.

First, Haitians have already emigrated in droves. There are around 535,000 Haitian-born U.S. residents at the Census Bureau's last count, out of roughly 1 million in total living abroad.

The vast majority of Haitians who have escaped poverty have done so by leaving the country. Pick any reasonable poverty line for Haiti; the vast majority of Haitians above it no longer live there. In a study I did with Harvard's Lant Pritchett, we chose a bare-bones poverty line of $10 per day (measured as a living standard at U.S. prices). That's total destitution -- just a third of the $30 per day that the United States considers "poverty" for a single adult. Eight out of 10 Haitians above that line currently live in the United States.

Most of this represents the effect of emigration on poverty. Only 1 percent of people in Haiti live on more than $10 per day, and there is no evidence that most Haitian emigrants come from the extreme tip-top of the income distribution, so very few people who emigrated would have an income that high if they had been forced to stay home. A typical low-skill male Haitian in the United States earns at least six times what he could earn in Haiti. And all of this just accounts for Haitians in the United States. Include the roughly 100,000 more who are in Canada and Western Europe, almost all of whom live on over $10 per day, and it's even starker: The vast majority of Haitians who escaped poverty did so by leaving Haiti, not as a result of anything that happened in the country.

What about Haitians who did not emigrate? A limited number of these have emerged from poverty, but many were lifted out of poverty by remittances from abroad. They, too, should be included in any accounting of the effect of migration on poverty. Dilip Ratha, a top expert on remittances, estimates that a full accounting would show that Haitians abroad send home $1.5 billion  to 1.8 billion per year or higher. That is much more than all the foreign aid that Haiti receives. The middle of Ratha's range suggests that remittances account for more than one quarter of Haiti's GDP. This is conservatively low because remittances have a multiplier effect on local GDP.

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Michael A. Clemens is a research fellow at the Center for Global Development and an affiliated associate professor of public policy at Georgetown University.

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DATAGUY

11:10 PM ET

January 27, 2010

Where are they going to go?

If you suggest they come here, you are insane. We have 10% unemployment.

Many of you open-border wacks apparently believe that everyone in the world deserves a job in the US but low-level US workers. The unemployment rate in Detroit is 50 % for blacks. Are you going to send the Haitians to Detroit? Where are they going to work?

I tell you what, Mike. You offer to house 20-30 Haitians in YOUR house. After a year, I'll do the same, but only if you continue to have those 20-30 Haitians in your house. You open-border wacks are happy to help out immigrants at the cost of the poor and downtrodden that we ALREADY have. You share the pain, and we will think about this moronically stupid idea of yours.

 

MICHAEL_CLEMENS

10:50 AM ET

January 28, 2010

Casual sarcasm in this setting is shockingly inappropriate.

I'm shocked by the callousness of this comment. 100,000 people died, people who have nothing are fighting for survival in conditions you cannot begin to imagine. You are at least 10 times richer than the desperately suffering people you're casually insulting, yet you would simply throw every last one of them to the dogs, without contemplating allowing even a single one of them to escape.

This is a situation that requires gravity and solemnity, not sickening sarcasm like yours. If we're going to continue to offer zero additional visas to people who want to leave the hellish situation in Haiti right now, and thereby force everyone else there at gunpoint to stay, then that's our collective decision --- but that is an extremely serious act that should be undertaken with extraordinary care and reluctance.

My article said absolutely nothing about "open borders" --- you made that up out of thin air. What it did say, if you had bothered to read it, is that we should contemplate letting in somewhat more Haitians now than we usually do. In a typical recent year we have admitted 21,000 Haitians as legal permanent immigrants. Believe it or not, those people did not destroy America, and not one of them has the tiniest responsibility for our economic crisis. We could let in somewhat more without sacrificing any of our prosperity, as you would discover if you bothered to read the research of economists like Giovanni Peri.

But what possible incentive do you have to acquire the facts? It's much more comfortable to pretend that Haitians aren't real people, that their suffering doesn't matter at all, that not one single Haitian should be permitted to escape the hell they're in, and go on enjoying your birthright of a life vastly more comfortable and secure than theirs.

 

WKENTUCKYPRIDE

1:10 PM ET

January 28, 2010

not a good idea...

There are plenty of people struggling here in the US. Haitians immigrating here would be a terrible idea. Go to eastern Kentucky if you want to see poverty. US citizens should solve their own poverty woes before taking on other nations. How would Haitians survive in the us? What would they do? Survive on bleeding US tax dollars? Or welfare? The US has to much deficit now. What's the probability they would become productive us citizens? I believe it's low considering I see Hispanics locally who maybe living in better conditions than they were, still live below poverty levels, surviving off of gov aid, and contribute little if any to the GDP. There are other ways to help Haitians and I suggest we explore those opportunities before immigrating them to a nation struggling to survive it's self. For instance, rebuild the infrastructure to be a model for the globe. It's a small country and would take far less to build a model modern infrastructure than a country like the US, Canada, Mexico, Angola, etc. Build this along with modern multifamily residential buildings (not public dorms but real residencies), roads, and multi-grade (k-12) schools. Starting with these core civil entities, I believe Haiti can begin to rebuild it's self. By the way, on easing adoption requirements for Haitian children to come to the US, I feel, is a great idea. Why isn’t China doing more since their economy is in such a boom time? They put enough money into other Southern Hemisphere nations why can’t they contribute more to Haiti?

 

TABLOIDHACK

2:09 PM ET

January 28, 2010

Wow, Michael, I think you're

Wow, Michael, I think you're upset that Dataguy called you a moron. You're not a moron. You just seem like a compassionate man who lives in the rarefied air of academia and therefore doesn't have to worry about competing with immigrants for a job.

Your solution to Haiti's poverty problem wouldn't be effective, I'm afraid. We don't have enough jobs for the people who are already here. Moreover, there are plenty of countries in the world that are also desperately poor. We can't take in every single poor person in the world. What about all the other poor countries?

We should do everything we can to make Haiti a better place to live, so people won't have to leave. We should do something that actually improves the country's government and infrastructure (not to mention their environment), instead of the Band-Aid solution you are proposing.

Just letting any Haitian who wants to emigrate to the U.S. come here will allow them to send remittances to their families, but that won't do anything to change the country's corrupt government or the grinding poverty of those who cannot afford to leave and who don't have a relative living abroad.

 

PSCHAEFFER

3:44 PM ET

January 28, 2010

Immigration from Haiti is a terrible way to help

Let's be honest here about several things. Dataguy is right and Michael Clemens is wrong. Low skill immigration is bad for the U.S. Indeed, it disastrous for poor and working class Americans. Of course, it does make upper class elites feel good about themselves by showing how noble and enlightened they are... While at the same time making sure that they have an endless supply of cheap servants... Nice.

If upper class elites aren't willing to invite Haitians into their own homes, they have no business advocating admitting them into the U.S.

I find the references to Peri highly ironic. If you actually read Peri's papers you find that they show massive declines in the wages of unskilled workers in California. Of course, Peri denies any linkage. Worse, Peri actually claims that unaffordable housing is a "benefit" of immigration. Nice.

Of course, immigration did play a material role in the current economic crisis. The Bush administration promoted the housing bubble as a way of making poorly paid immigrants think they were somehow going to join the American Dream (and vote Republican). Since better wages for immigrants and less skilled American workers was anathema to Bush and his cheap labor exploitation crowd, the housing bubble was a necessary substitute. Note that they housing bubble employed immigrants to a highly disproportionate extent and low skill (substantially Hispanic) immigrants were are the core of subprime debacle. Indeed, the Bush administration went to pains to make it possible for illegal aliens (yes, overtly illegal residents of the USA) to get subprime loans.

It didn't work out real well now did it?

Here's a better idea. Have the people of Haiti take responsibility for their own country and let them work to improve it.

For a detailed post on this subject, I suggest "Immigration from Haiti is a terrible way to help" (http://super-economy.blogspot.com/2010/01/immigration-from-haiti-is-terrible-way.html). Note that the author is a Swede of Kurdish ancestry.

 

PSCHAEFFER

3:54 PM ET

January 28, 2010

Immigration from Haiti is a terrible way to help

Let's be honest here about several things. Dataguy is right and Michael Clemens is wrong. Low skill immigration is bad for the U.S. Indeed, it disastrous for poor and working class Americans. Of course, it does make upper class elites feel good about themselves by showing how noble and enlightened they are... While at the same time making sure that they have an endless supply of cheap servants... Nice.

If upper class elites aren't willing to invite Haitians into their own homes, they have no business advocating admitting them into the U.S.

I find the references to Peri highly ironic. If you actually read Peri's papers you find that they show massive declines in the wages of unskilled workers in California. Of course, Peri denies any linkage. Worse, Peri actually claims that unaffordable housing is a "benefit" of immigration. Nice.

Of course, immigration did play a material role in the current economic crisis. The Bush administration promoted the housing bubble as a way of making poorly paid immigrants think they were somehow going to join the American Dream (and vote Republican). Since better wages for immigrants and less skilled American workers was anathema to Bush and his cheap labor exploitation crowd, the housing bubble was a necessary substitute. Note that they housing bubble employed immigrants to a highly disproportionate extent and low skill (substantially Hispanic) immigrants were are the core of subprime debacle. Indeed, the Bush administration went to pains to make it possible for illegal aliens (yes, overtly illegal residents of the USA) to get subprime loans.

It didn't work out real well now did it?

Here's a better idea. Have the people of Haiti take responsibility for their own country and let them work to improve it.

For a detailed post on this subject, I suggest "Immigration from Haiti is a terrible way to help" (http://super-economy.blogspot.com/2010/01/immigration-from-haiti-is-terrible-way.html). Note that the author is a Swede of Kurdish ancestry.

 

NSC LONDON

7:47 AM ET

January 29, 2010

All you need is love! Da da da da da! All you need is love!

Dataguy criticised the author's assumptions and Clemens responded with behaviour that confirms every liberal stereotype in the book. Let’s recap shall we?

1. He got a bit hysterical. Clemens’ counter-attacked by initially focusing on the critic’s tone. “I'm shocked by the callousness of this comment... This is a situation that requires gravity and solemnity, not sickening sarcasm like yours.” Crying “oh the humanity!” whenever a liberal’s argument is criticized is all too typical.

2. He immediately backpeddled. Though the author’s article didn’t specifically say anything about “open borders” the poster did not “make this up out of thin air.” It is reasonable to assume that Clemens’ position on immigration is fairly “open border” if he is advocating letting a significant faction of the population of Haiti move to the US simply because it seems to make him feel all warm and fuzzy inside.

3. He attempted to claim the intellectual high ground by citing research (even including a pompous tone like any good academic should). “We could let in somewhat more without sacrificing any of our prosperity, as you would discover if you bothered to read the research of economists like Giovanni Peri.” As is often the case, the research cited does little to prove his point and only undermines his already questionable intellectual integrity.

4. He threw out unsubstantiated generalisations. “Believe it or not, those people did not destroy America, and not one of them has the tiniest responsibility for our economic crisis.” Really Mikey? Thanks for clearing that up.

5. He resorted to simple character assassination. He presumes his critic simply suffers from poor character and a cruel nature. “It's much more comfortable to pretend that Haitians aren't real people, that their suffering doesn't matter at all, that not one single Haitian should be permitted to escape the hell they're in, and go on enjoying your birthright of a life vastly more comfortable and secure than theirs.”

So Mr Clemens, given your position (that curing poverty in Haiti is simply down to depopulating it by letting the Haitians move to a country that doesn’t suck), what about all the other countries for which a similar strategy would work? Should we simply let Sudan, Zimbabwe, Moldova, Sierra Leone, etc. ship their entire populations to the US? Is it the western world’s responsibility to cure the ills of every other culture on earth?

The problem with most academics is they actually believe “All You Need Is Love.”

 

ACAZALIS

11:20 AM ET

January 29, 2010

Americans live in a beautiful bubble of ignorance

The jobs that Haitians, Mexicans and other immigrants take in the US are the jobs not one American, be it black, Hispanic or white would ever take. The people that are losing jobs in America are semi skilled middle aged men whose jobs are just going to other countries (cars manufacture, textiles etc), and posh "humanistic" jobs, that are the first to go in tight times( advertisement, arts, editors etc).

America is the scrooge of the world. It's the first world country with the worst relation between it's average income p/c and what it gives in aid.

I think it's a great article, it's not realistic because it would be political dynamite here in the US

 

MYWORLD_MYRULES

4:27 PM ET

January 29, 2010

Not crazy just not popular

I think the writer of the article is not an insane wack but someone who is looking for a solution to a problem. He sees the plight of these people and feels compelled to help. I admire you for that. But you assume that dataguy is not someone who just lost his job and his house and everything he has been working for all his life. All things being relative if that were the case, he is undergoing his own desaster, and I would be less inclined to critisize him.What I find so puzzling is the fact that if so much aid has been sent to Haiti over the years why has no progress been made? The country has a fraction of our population so where does all the money go? That would be a good topic to research. But as with all events they will come to an end and I think from what I have heard a rebuild of the infastructure has been long due. From great diversity come great things, and as long as people keep supporting the effort Haiti will emerge better than she was. Keep writing and keep caring we need people like you, by the way I am not a free border supporter. i would describe myself as more of a nationalist. I want our country to be stronger so we can continue to help people elsewhere, but it is important to help yourself first.

 

NSC LONDON

11:30 AM ET

January 30, 2010

Whatever mate, stop whining, start reading

America is the "scrooge" of the world and has the biggest gap between its net worth and aid programs? Interesting. I find it amusing that you see fit to criticise the US' aid to Haiti when they are leading the effort and spending the most, proving 10% of all total aid (compared to the next highest percentage, Canada at 7%). The US must be pretty heartless and horrible to lead an aid effort to Haiti in the middle of the worst recession in 100 years, what a bunch of scrooges indeed!

I can't help but notice a defeaning silence in response to the crisis from the Muslim world, Morocco is the only Muslim country contributing anything. So much for Zakat. It seems like the kingdom could afford to cough up a few sheckels, don't you think? I bet you're not in a rush to criticise them, are you now?

 

JAYNE

1:46 AM ET

January 31, 2010

Real Unemployment approaches 20%

Current unemployment figures do not count the people who are underemployed, or who have dropped out (given up) on job searches. They are not counted because they are no longer eligible to claim unemployment benefits. The last thing they need is more competition for jobs.

Why does the US have to take them in? Why not other French or Creole speaking nations like Canada, France, Senegal, etc? Why does it have to be the US? We already have 20,000 troops on the ground, we're the largest contributor of aid through USAID and private donations. Why not take in 100,000 Pakistanis after their earthquake? Or 100,000 Chinese after theirs? Let the Cubans, Brazilians and Venezuelans and others take them in to work there.

The best thing to do is to start paying people $2 / hour to help rebuild their country. Employ them inside Haiti to rebuild, organize, restart schools, etc. After WWII no one said we should let all the Germans immigrate to the US because life sucked living in a bombed out defeated nation. The Germans rolled up their sleeves, often worked for free, to remove all the rubble and rebuild the nation. I am willing to contribute to that type of fundraising effort - give the Haitians jobs to rebuild their homeland.

Pride of place is far more important to creating a civil society than remittances from abroad, while the remaining population continues to be unemployed, with a civil government that fails to respond to their needs.

 

ALLYSON1962

8:38 AM ET

February 1, 2010

re: Let Them Leave article

Dataguy, you speak the frank truth. The US cannot continue taking care of the world's downtrodden and poor. I have no problem with contributing to foreign aid, but to continue throwing endless funds at Haiti and like-nations has not obviously worked to achieve the objective of dismantling poverty and improving lives. There seems to be little or no accountability or oversight in such aid. How many years and how much money has the US alone, give to Haiti?

The impact of opening our borders in addition to the millions of illegals each year is grossly diminishing the quality of social services, resources, education, increasing crime rate, and hurting the tax-payer financially, because such allocation of resources decreases the availability of tax revenue to take care of our own needs...police and fire protection, maintaining infrastructure, improving public education, etc.

So then, we wonder why such services in which our tax dollars are supposed to pay for, are said to be underfunded! Why is it that people DO NOT see impacts such as this?????

 

THINKABOUTIT

11:36 AM ET

February 1, 2010

Where is the rest of the world?

Why must the USA be the focus of this argument? There are many other prosperous nations in the world, many have standards of living better than our own. There may be more jobs in developing countries than in America. Global problems require global solutions. What about Africa, lots of land, rich in natural resources, developing economies. We need not measure the Haiti problem in terms of how much money they can get back from expatriots. A safe environment, adequate food and a basic education may be the best we can ask for. The elimination of poverty may not be possible, a standard of living beyond the above may also not be possible.

 

MICHAEL_CLEMENS

3:26 AM ET

February 11, 2010

New immigrants would do what previous immigrants have done

@Westkentuckpride: You write, "How would Haitians survive in the us? What would they do?"

We're talking about letting in a few Haitians, not all Haitians. What those few Haitians would do would be similar to what the 532,000 Haitians in this country do: work hard to make a better life, just like the ancestors of almost everyone born here did when they arrived.

 

MICHAEL_CLEMENS

3:27 AM ET

February 11, 2010

Development experts abound

@Tabloidhack: You write: "Just letting any Haitian who wants to emigrate to the U.S. come here will allow them to send remittances to their families, but that won't do anything to change the country's corrupt government or the grinding poverty of those who cannot afford to leave and who don't have a relative living abroad".

First, as I've said several times, I never said a word about letting in all Haitians. I talked about letting in just a few. Second, yes it's true that emigration doesn't solve corruption. No one on earth has found a way to eliminate corruption in Haiti. The ideal would be a plan that does so, but neither you nor anyone else has one. The same goes for the "grinding poverty" you speak of. What's the better plan for reducing that? Aid? Trade preferences? Those things have been done in Haiti for many decades and have not worked. But you're sure they'll work now, and I don't know why.

 

MICHAEL_CLEMENS

3:28 AM ET

February 11, 2010

New theory of the financial crisis

@Pschaeffer: You are the only person I've ever heard of who thinks that immigrants caused the financial crisis. I suggest you write a piece for Foreign Policy explaining this innovative theory. Giovanni Peri's work, which I have read in detail and understand extremely well, shows that all immigration during 1990-2006 lowered the wages of U.S. native high-school dropouts by 0.7% --- cumulatively over 16 years (NBER working paper 14188). That is not a "massive decline", and it makes no sense to call it that.

 

MICHAEL_CLEMENS

3:29 AM ET

February 11, 2010

Five points from London

@NSC London: On each of your points: 1. I find it outrageous when people make callous jokes about a people that has suffered the tragic loss of 212,000+ people, according to the latest figures. I won't apologize for expressing my outrage. 2. Backpedaling? My article said nothing whatsoever about letting all Haitians in, and I reiterated that. Some backpedaling. 3. I'm sorry you find it pompous to cite the best economists doing careful research on a subject. Perhaps I should cite anonymous posters like yourself, to appear less pompous. 4. You consider it "unsubstantiated" to point out that Haitian immigrants have not destroyed America. Apparently the fact that America is not destroyed isn't sufficient evidence for you. I wonder what would constitute sufficient evidence. 5. Calm down: I suggested letting in a few people from one place where even a small number would make a huge difference. Doing a small amount for some people makes sense even when one cannot singlehandedly solve the world's problems.

 

MICHAEL_CLEMENS

3:31 AM ET

February 11, 2010

Haiti is not comparable to Germany or China

@Jayne: Germany was a rich, industrialized, developed country before it was destroyed. Haiti is not. "Rolling up sleeves" doesn't turn a poor country into a rich country. Haitians work extremely hard, and will work hard to rebuild. But rebuild to what? Before the earthquake, half of the people in Haiti were living on less than one dollar a day (measured at US prices, that is what one dollar could buy in the US). 'Rebuilding' to that would be terrible. But no one knows how to turn a rich country into a poor country from outside. Haiti is not comparable to China. China has a dynamic and rapidly expanding economy, Haiti does not, and is very unlikely to for generations. That's why doing what we can, for a few Haitians, is the right thing to do, and that has nothing to do with trying to solve all the world's problems.

 

MYSTIKIEL

5:05 AM ET

January 28, 2010

My impression of overseas remittances...

While I can't say I'm as well-studied as Mr Clemens, I am married to a second-generation Filipina woman, and so I have some experience of how remittances tend to work, given that the Philippines is by far the highest recipient of remittances per capita, and the third highest in absolute terms.

In some ways they are great. It is a good way to get money straight to the people in need without the waste of NGOs getting in the way. In the long term, however, they dont seem to achieve much.

Part of the problem seems to be that even though countries like Dominica and Haiti experience substantial outflows of migrants, its still not sufficient to keep pace with natural increase, which results in population growth of about 2-3% per year (for both Philippines and Haiti). So in other words, no matter how many Haitians the US takes on, the Haitians keep on making more. In fact, high-emigration countries such as the Philippines experience *greater* population growth than similar countries such as Malaysia that have less migrants leaving each year. How, exactly, does that work?

I don't know, exactly, but I have one theory. Most migrants tend to be enthusiastic about paying remittances back home when they first get a job in a western country. As time goes on they become less so.

Eventually, a pattern develops whereby the migrant is only successfully goaded into making payments in response to significant life events - sickness, funerals, weddings, and the births of children. These requests tend to go like this:-

I am having a baby and we need money to go to the hospital.
I am having a baby and I dont have any clothes.
The baby is sick.
The baby's baptism is coming up.
We need furniture for the baby.
We are going to put a second storey on the house for a room for the baby and we need concrete block.

I would conservatively estimate that every baby tends to attract about 150 000 pesos in remittances (about $4000 USD), which is about 2 years wages for an unskilled labourer in the Philippines. So it beats working, in other words.

Overly cynical, perhaps? You tell me.

 

F1FAN

9:55 AM ET

January 28, 2010

The biggest question I have

Is what happened to the Dominican Republic? An earthquake that was strong enough to completely demolish Port Au Prince and most of Haiti and cause a huge humanitarian disaster across Haiti did exactly what in the Dominican Republic? Port Au Prince is only about 30 miles from Jimani and 40 or 50 miles to Perdenales and Barahoma and yet we have heard nothing in the news about huge catastrophes there or any humanitarian issues in any part of the Dominican Republic.

My point being is that if a country fails, we reward it with more and more aid and we ignore nations that are doing just fine. When are Haitians going to stand up for themselves? Haiti was a humanitarian disaster before the earthquake.

 

VITO

11:47 AM ET

January 28, 2010

BS

For your information, there are some reports that the Dominicans didn't feel a thing. Which is weird. The earthquake also didn't produce any tsunami's.

And when did the DR become a world power all of a sudden? That's a third world country who's people are living in poverty. Only in the U.S. where the media can compare two third world countries and convince the public that the "gorillas" in Haiti are backwards because the DR's government has a few more dollars. Anything to to divert your attention away from the true history of US-Haiti relations.

What part of - the US doesn't want an accountable government in Haiti don't you understand?

They want a plutocracy that protects the interest of multinational corporations and the Haitian elite. If any politician tries to divert this small groups profits towards taking care of the general public, they get overthrown in coups........

The corporations and the Haitian elite like that they can pay workers a dollar a day. They like that they don't have to pay for health care, education, emergency response, good infrastructure etc. Get it?

The U.S. LOVES this corrupt government!

But being the snakes that some of them are, the press says: Look at those gorillas over there... And simple minded people repeat this B.S....

Look at Wyclef Jean and his family in Haiti (Raymond Joseph)... The US establishment is still pushing "Yele" after they snaked him and exposed his dirt. Yet another "look at the corrupt gorillas over ther" moment to divert attention away from the corruption going on at the Red Cross, USAID, the NGO's, the UN etc etc.

 

VITO

11:14 AM ET

January 28, 2010

It's good to know that there's good people out there...

It's just too bad that what you speak of would be very hard to implement because people like Evan Goldstein and "DATAGUY" are all through out the government and business sectors of Europe, America, and Canada.

http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2010/01/25/does_israel_have_an_immigrant_problem

Since the big hearted "international community" is always talking up "international cooperation," and being a beacon of light to the world, I say that the U.S., England, France, Canada, and Germany should absorb 25% of the Haitian population and then the U.S. should either respect all of the people of Haiti's sovereignty or grant Haiti US protectorate status. This should atone for the past, but this doesn't seem like the direction the west is going. I'm reading that Bill Clinton, the corporations, and the Haitian bougie class is planning on using U.S./UN troops to continue to prop up the same weak, unaccountable, corrupt government so that they can push forward with their utopian vision of Haiti being a massive sweat-shop. I don't hear anything about building institutional rule of law, agriculture, raising wages, diverting profits to the public sector for health-care, infrastructure, emergency response etc etc. I do see the IMF/World Bank vultures offering Haiti more debt in their time of need. Right now, it's easier for a young lady in Haiti to get an abortion than to have good health-care and clean drinking water hmmmmmmmmm could that be apart of the IMF budget austerity conditions that the cowardly Preval regime slavishly follows?

I was watching CSPAN days ago, and i heard Obama's Homeland Security chief assuring all of the homeless Haitians that she would let them drown in the water, throw them in jail, and deport them back to a failed state if they try to migrate to the U.S. for a better life. This was right after the disaster happened.

I assumed that a competent democratic Homeland Security chief would realize that this was neither the time or place to threaten Haitians, and she couldn't persuade people to not migrate from a failed US puppet state anyway. The statements were just pure callousness on her part - meant for public consumption here in the US because she gave the message in english to French speaking people who aren't listening to radio's or televisions. The Obama administration already has Air Force cargo planes flying over the devastated country, blasting a recorded message from the sell-out Haitian ambassador to Washington:

“Listen, don’t rush on boats to leave the country,” Mr. Joseph says in Creole, according to a transcript released by the Pentagon. “If you do that, we’ll all have even worse problems. Because, I’ll be honest with you: If you think you will reach the U.S. and all the doors will be wide open to you, that’s not at all the case. And they will intercept you right on the water and send you back home where you came from.”

HTTP://WWW.nytimes.com/2010/01/19/us/19refugee.html

Oh yeah! Hillary made a quick stop to the island country of Jamaica after her and her husband slowed up aid to Haiti during their photo ops... We're going to pay the Jamaican government to keep Haitian refugee for a short period of time, and we also graciously made some room for them in prisons in Florida and GUANTANAMO BAY! The same place Obama -the House Negro in Chief- is trying to close (for strictly political reasons). Wouldn't that be a sight see? Poor Haitians getting hauled off to Gitmo lol, I guess that's why we had to pay the Jamaicans...

Homeland Security and Defense are saying that they're taking a hard line against Haitian refugees, yet they allowed the mass exodus of Cubans and Mexican's into this country. "The Man" is currently pushing to get these same people amnesty, while they just started granting Haitians TPS after treating them like fugitives and criminals since the last Haitian disaster.

Mmm mmm mmm a damn shame.

 

BOREDWELL

2:40 PM ET

January 28, 2010

Clemency

The humanitarian focus on Haiti has devolved into one that seeks to dehumanize and demonize its people. From Pat Robertson to the MSM, the insidious blame game includes the devil and looting, poverty(self-induced) and lack of infrastructure (primitive country). The American press concentrates on fear-mongering: people rushing for food drops are "rioting;" images of looting always described as "violent, turning to bloodshed" are looped with each segment of "continuing coverage;" cameras linger over bodies piled or burning on the streets glaring over the pools of blood; debris highlights the squalor, unsanitary conditions instead of the rubble; and the victims are depicted as listless aka "lazy" inferring they are doing nothing to improve their condition! The bias is racial. The rich, clean, smart foreigners, unaffected by the tragedy, observe, subjectively disdainful of the impoverished victims (echoes the divisive, derogatory black-white Katrina coverage). The US can invade Iraq in 24 hours yet has not been able to become fully operational in Haiti in over 2 weeks! Cleanup after the 2004 South Asian Tsunami was swifter and more coordinated despite similarly overwhelming conditions. And in reading many comments on different blogs, the majority of people state that Haiti should help itself and not expect handouts! How selfish, ego centric that empathic disconnect! Haitians have proved they can survive the harshest of circumstances. Wherever Haitians immigrate they will encounter these attitudes and will need strength and perseverance to overcome prejudices.

 

COCOSTAR

5:36 PM ET

January 28, 2010

immagration

A better idea might be to send money to Haiti on a regular basis. The cost of excepting untrained and uneducated people into the U.S. would be worse for the U.S. in the long run. The illegal immigration that would come with the legal would ruin any advancement that could be made. The poverty would basically move from Haiti into the U.S.
A couple hundred thousand U.S. soldiers are coming home in the near future. They need jobs and so do their families. Plus there are many American tax payers that need jobs. We don't need immigration for the betterment of America.
America is becoming a dump for the benefit of over population and poverty. Responsible people don't have more children than they can take care of. Half of my pay goes into tax's. And maybe more. If I made the average pay in America, How many kids could I raise comfortly? ONE? Do they pay property tax in Haiti?
America is turning into a third world nation. I suggest that the people that want immigration open the doors of their own house and take care of the people that migrate into our tax structure. They should also be responsible for any criminal activity thats going to happen.

 

MIKEZ666

7:50 PM ET

January 28, 2010

Silly idea

Clemens - this idea is bad and you should feel bad. There is no point to further straining the US economy. And why should this idea of yours only apply to Haiti? Just because it had an earthquake? Geographic proximity? Poppycock. What about Pakistan's earthquake a few years ago? What about the Boxing Day tsunami victims? What about, say, people from the Congo who have suffered total war for decades now? What about any other poverty-stricken country.

Sure the victims of Haiti deserve our sympathy. But reality deserves our respect.

 

CONEJO73

9:10 AM ET

January 29, 2010

Lowering my expectation...

I imagined the readers of FP to be pretty astute folks, but the comments here are shaking that belief just a teeny bit. I may have to lower my expectations...

The author states, on page 2, "The United States could reallocate visas within the current levels to include people from the world's poorest countries who are most in need of opportunities." THAT IS THE CENTRAL THESIS OF THE ARTICLE - i.e. that of the total number of legal immigrants that are currently provided visas every year, that we allocate a larger percentage to Haitians (i.e. not to Bolivians, or Canadians or Sri Lankans). That's it, no more, no less.

People are reacting as if the author suggested that the U.S. was going to evacuate the entire population of Port au Prince and drop them in the middle of suburban America. So let's drop all of the apocalyptic rhetoric and focus on a few basic premises:

1. Like it or not, the U.S. has a policy which allows for and encourages immigration to our fair nation. It's on the freakin' Statue of Liberty for pete's sake! "Low-skilled labor", i.e. real human beings, have emigrated here for hundreds of years, and all have run through the same cycle of resentment of and assimilation (see Irish, Germans, Jews, Latinos, etc). Can we please just get over this already?

2. If our national policy is to let a certain number of folks legally immigrate here, and some portion of those are "low-skilled" labor, why not allocate those numbers, year to year, on factors other than which country is kissing our ass at the time vis a vis FTAs, military cooperation, etc. Is letting in more Haitians and less, say, Colombians going to ruin our great nation? Hardly.

3. Is immigration a panacea for all that ails Haiti? Of course not. Will it help take some of the pressure off of the current and long-term relief efforts (which, by the way, we are helping to pay for, and thus have an interest in ensuring the success of)? Absolutely yes.

 

MICHAEL_CLEMENS

4:57 PM ET

January 29, 2010

Thank you for this great comment

Thanks very much for this thoughtful comment, @Conejo73. I too was startled by the idiocy and smirking glee of some of these comments, revoltingly inappropriate in the face of the carnage that people in Haiti have suffered through absolutely no fault of their own. I am sure that these commenters are not representative of typical Foreign Policy readers.

 

PSCHAEFFER

7:01 PM ET

January 29, 2010

Crass Hypocrisy

MC,

David Brooks captured the mindset of folks like when he wrote

"They congregate in exclusive communities walled in by the invisible fence of real estate prices, then congratulate themselves for sending their children to public schools. They parade their enlightened racial attitudes by supporting immigration policies that guarantee inexpensive lawn care."

 

MY2CENTS

3:41 AM ET

January 30, 2010

Nicely designed summary & restatement of facts

Thank you for redirecting focus back onto the source material to review what the author had actually written. I was begining to wonder if some of the other commenters had read the same article I had read. Disagreement is expected, but the lack of a basic understanding of what had been written was a big surprise.

 

JEFF H

10:35 AM ET

January 31, 2010

Immigration

The last thing in the world the United States needs is low skilled labor from failed societies. We should be skewing our immigration policy in just the opposite direction - towards well educated, English-speaking immigrants from functional democratic societies. These are the folks who add to the tax rolls and settle in without too much difficulty.

Low-skilled labor, on the other hand, exacerbates income inequality in this country, remittances have a negative impact on our balance of payments and the children of non-English speaking children are a burden on public schools. The best way to help Haiti is to help rebuild infrastructure and stop propping up corrupt governments. The Haitians have to figure out how best to organize their own society - and we need to realize that the process could be bloody.

 

TABLOIDHACK

8:28 PM ET

January 31, 2010

Pompous

Clemens, you're an overly sensitive and pompous person. How dare the lowly hoi poloi read and comment upon your proclamations? You sound like a pouting kid who can't take criticism of any kind.

Conejo, that still doesn't answer the question of what happens to the Haitians who can't leave Haiti or don't have a relative living abroad.

 

MICHAEL_CLEMENS

3:36 AM ET

February 11, 2010

Yup I'm just like that

@Pschaeffer: That's funny that you bring up race. I never mentioned it once. Obviously it's on your mind as you contemplate the diabolical notion of letting a few Haitians into this country.

 

MICHAEL_CLEMENS

3:39 AM ET

February 11, 2010

Unskilled immigrants are bad?

@Jeff H.: Were your own ancestors 100% high-income, highly-educated, English-speaking people? All of them? Most of my ancestors, and most of the ancestors of most Americans, were low-income, low-skill people when they arrived, and a large number were not English speaking. Far from being undesirable trash, those people built America. Many low-income, low-skill immigrants continue to work hard and build America today.

 

MICHAEL_CLEMENS

3:50 AM ET

February 11, 2010

Nothing to apologize for

@Tabloidhack: When hundreds of thousands of people are tragically killed, and people who cannot imagine such horror make inappropriate sarcastic jokes about those people, I feel outrage and I'll express that outrage. Too bad you didn't like it! If you expect me to welcome criticism of things I didn't say, like "let's immediately open the borders", that's not an expectation I can live up to.

 

PLAIN JANE

1:32 PM ET

January 29, 2010

Let them leave to where?

History shows that some mistakes are made that snowball and are hard to fix down the line.
How is it that this little tiny part of an island became an over-populated country with not enough land to feed its people in the best of times, to say nothing of the present situation?
We can't fix what was done in the past, when workers were imported from Africa to work in the cane fields that fed our insatiable appetite for sugar.
Michael Clemens has a workable idea that may help in the present situation, but are there no other countries in the world with enough natural resources to benefit new immigrants?

 

MICHAEL_CLEMENS

3:59 AM ET

February 11, 2010

Thanks for this good question

Thanks, Plain Jane. This is a valuable point, and I particularly appreciate it since so many of the other comments here have little to offer but sarcasm, hysterics and insults.

Unlike those others, you pose an interesting question: Where would be the best place for new Haitian emigrants to go? To me, the U.S. is a natural destination since half of all Haitians who've left Haiti live in the U.S., and those earlier migrants would make it a lot easier for new migrants to get established and quickly become productive members of society.

But the other half of Haitians outside Haiti are spread over a large number of countries, suggesting that there are many other options, as you point out. If donor countries decide that migration should play some role in their efforts to help Haitians, then they should think and discuss how to share that responsibility. They do this already with refugees from war and persecution --- of which the U.S. has admitted an average of 80,000/year over the past several years, a number that is decided on in consultation with many other countries to share the burden.

 

SHARMANI

11:52 PM ET

January 29, 2010

Let them leave to where?

It is really very hard and bad situation in Haiti....But where will they go?. They have to survive somehow with the helping hand from all over the world. Let us all pray god to help them.

 

JERSEY JOE

11:19 AM ET

January 30, 2010

An alternative to Immigration

In the 1960s and 1970s, the U.S. attempted to stabilize the government of South Vietnam while carrying out a massive military operation. The military part ended in failure, but parts of the civilian stabilization plan were successful.
At the height of the effort, there were more than 2,500 civilian government employees in Vietnam.
In a small country like Haiti, a long term U.S. government aid program would require far fewer employees, but significant improvements could be made at a much, much smaller cost than moving 100,000 poor, mostly unskilled and uneducated persons to the U.S.
What the author of this plan does not acknowledge, is the poor immigrants will almost certainly settle where their countrymen already live. For Haitians this will likely be New York city and South Florida.
We can see everyday how this has happened with Cubans in Florida and New Jersey, and with Mexicans in California and other border states.
Most American citizens would much rather focus our assistance on building a better Haiti, than on importing the problems here. And even a seven to ten year USAID program will cost only a fraction of the permanent cost of supporting tens of thousands of more needy permanent guests.

 

NSC LONDON

11:36 AM ET

January 30, 2010

The central thesis of this article...

Appears to be the suggestion that the solution to Haiti's poverty is cured by simply allowing more Haitians to migrate to the US/Europe.

"The vast majority of Haitians who escaped poverty did so by leaving Haiti, not as a result of anything that happened in the country. "

If you fail to see why many people would find this notion objectionable then you may find yourself at an impasse with virtually everyone you encounter outside the womb of academia.

 

TABLOIDHACK

8:31 PM ET

January 31, 2010

Thank you

Thank you for that sensible comment.

 

MICHAEL_CLEMENS

2:22 AM ET

February 11, 2010

Facts are "objectionable"?

The statement of mine that you quote is a fact, not an opinion, and the authoritative sources for that information are linked in the article. I'm sorry that you find facts objectionable. If you have information contradicting this fact, and showing that more Haitians left poverty inside Haiti than outside it, please post that research here.

 

NSC LONDON

11:37 AM ET

January 30, 2010

Error in the above

Apologies, first sentence should read:

The central thesis of this article appears to be the suggestion that a primary solution to Haiti's poverty is simply allowing more Haitians to migrate...

 

ROBWINFIELD

3:19 PM ET

January 30, 2010

The problem with bailing out Haiti

Heck, I'm pretty "liberal" or "progressive" or whatever, but I have common sense. I would certainly consider myself a sensible and practical humanitarian. I employ people and raise functional, productive children and pay taxes, and even take care of an elderly person.

But I didn't check my brain at the door to be a humanitarian. I guess it's because I don't live in an Ivory Tower. I have to do real work for a living, and solve complex but inane problems on a daily basis.

That said, here's what I think of this story:

It is as absurd to let Haitians come here, as it is to bail out a ship without fixing it's leaks.

Haitians are like the old Jay Leno Doritos commercials -- crunch all you want, THEY'LL MAKE MORE.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XpF6am8F3QM&NR=1

Haiti needs Depo-Provera and tubal ligations and vasectomies. Any food aid or any other kind of aid should ONLY be given to Haitians who can prove via biometric identification that THEY ARE NOT GOING TO MAKE MORE HAITIANS. Every Haitian that gets the permanent snip gets a retinal scan and fingerprint and entered in a databsse. They are given generous welfare RIGHT ON THE HAITIAN ISLAND.

Problem solved by about 2040.

Also, Senegal has generously offered all Haitians to go live in Senegal. What's the matter with that solution? They will certainly adapt to Senegal better than to Minnesota, and be more welcome in the former than the latter.

Allowing Third Worlders come to America is breeding White nationalism. I have 3 nephews who live in a very diverse city and are all obsessed with "the survival of the White race" and the "15 words" or something. It's frightening, they look like typical American kids but the expressions on their faces when they talk about their 15 words, and their tone, is just so fanatical, like Muslim jihadists with red hair and freckles. I never used to know anyone like this. Now it's common, it seems.

 

NSC LONDON

7:03 PM ET

January 30, 2010

RobW

^Very interesting post. Not sure I agree with all of it, but much of what you write is difficult to argue with. Regarding your nephews, we're experiencing a similar phenomenon in Britain right now. The traditionally racist, fascist British National Party has enjoyed a tremendous resurgence due to Labour's idiotic open-door immigration policy.

 

ANDREWDOVER

1:04 PM ET

January 31, 2010

Free Trade also would help

A simple first step: Eliminate U.S. sugar quotas for Haiti

Why prevent the warm islands from exporting to the U.S. ?

http://food.theatlantic.com/nutrition/sugar-what-you-didnt-see-on-colbert.php

(And Ethenol too.)

 

MDL7

12:19 PM ET

February 1, 2010

Quota juggling?

Okay. If we increase the allowable numbers from Haiti, then which countries do we lower the numbers? Should we cut back on the educated healthcare workers and nurses from the Philippines? The engineers from India? I have it - let's cut back on the numbers from the Moslem countries. That's one compromise that may win over the more conservative folks.
Here's another thing mull over: How do we decide which Haitian comes over? Is it "first up, dibbs" or lotter? I'm definitely sure that the standards are going to be a little easier than those imposed upon the people from volcano ravaged Philippines, Tsunami ravaged Bangladesh and Indonesia.
For those of us, who's parents migrated over to this country - bringing skills and something to contribute to the "great melting" pot, we feel insulted. Those who lived through the ordeal of following the procedures and playing the game. Relaxing immigrations standards because of a calamity is a slap in the face. If it is going to be done once - then it must be done again and again. If the Haitians seek asylum - then let them seek asylum. Call it economic asylum.
Just my 2 bits.

 

MICHAEL_CLEMENS

2:27 AM ET

February 11, 2010

The fact that choosing is difficult isn't a reason to admit none

We have a cap on the number of refugees we admit each year (a cap which averages about 80,000 per year). Any cap requires picking and choosing, and that is difficult, when so many people are equally deserving, but we do it, because letting in some is better than nothing.

 

NSC LONDON

1:14 PM ET

February 1, 2010

NSC London

No rebuttal to the comments on the board criticising this article? Like so many academics, this author appears to be suffering from the notion that his findings are validated by the ivory tower upon which he sits and that this is sufficient in itself. This is a common behavioural pattern among his type. The expectation seems to be that rather than working within what would be considered reasonable expectations by most people outside academia, the "real world" should instead be shaped to suit the academic's wooly-headed, emotionally-motivated musings about the way the world "should be."

Whatever the reason, he has demonstrated little integrity here.

 

PAB

5:53 PM ET

February 1, 2010

extremely surprised by the comments here

i am extremely surprised by the commentary found regarding this article. not so much by the dissent, as that is expected, but by the tone.

robwinfield, your suggestion regarding sterilizations is absolutely inhumane and consistent with the ideologies of your nephews. apparently, the apple has not fallen far from the tree. to even consider a policy that would require an exchange of reproduction rights for basic aid, such as food, is depraved. and to liken it to a doritos commercial? disgusting.

while i understand the rationale for more protectionist policies, the vitriol of these comments undercuts those arguments and exposes an ideology that seems motivated more by racism, ignorance and fear then economic prudence.

 

MICHAEL_CLEMENS

2:28 AM ET

February 11, 2010

Thanks

Thank you, PAB, I was really disappointed in the low level of these comments too. I appreciate your comment.

 

ITONLYSTANDSTOREASON

8:33 PM ET

February 1, 2010

Worlds in Collision

There is some sense in Clemen's sugestion, and some blindness too.

We have a long historical record of the geographical expansion of economies and states. The national economy within a nation state is a stage in this history, one of the foundational assumptions of both the modern international system and people's assumptions about who they are and what they can expect. The time of the national economy is passing.

But - the expansion has never been uniform - it lurches forward and falls back. Over-expansion is a real problem that can provoke political backlash. We saw it in the 19thC previous round of globalization, with free trade expanding through the first three quarters of the century. But in the 1880s, politically influential groups who lost wages or rents pushed back on both sides of the Atlantic. Free trade was replaced by the rush for colonies to provide expanded, but captive markets. The cycle produced international tensions and contributed to WWI.

Here we are approaching a cusp where we will find out if the current globalization is sustainable or will also lead to a reaction. The immigration of 100,000 from Haiti would be negligible in it's consequences for our economy., but immigration has become the symbol of many threats emerging from changes in the global economic structure. There is something to the criticism of his piece for it's ivory tower perspective.

I've worked with another group of islanders, from the Pacific, who migrate to the US in search of economic opportunities that their small islands can't provide. But their movement were initiated by the movement of Western nations into the Pacific in the 19thC, and the US military take-over and rule of their homeland for over 40 years starting with WWII. The changes are not reversible.

Is this sustainable? I suggest that if it is properly managed, it is. I see around the US many rural areas that produce more children then their economies can absorb. The people educate their surplus children, who then move off to take jobs in the cities. The cities get valuable workers, raised more cheaply in the lower-cost rural areas. Some of the value-added these rural-sourced workers generate is returned to their home regions by government taxation and budgets. which redistribute money from urban to rural areas. Nobody objects to it, even if few recognize the system at work.

It could work for countries like Haiti also. First, however, we have to do a better job of moving our workers up the value-added food chain and generating jobs to replace manufacturing. We need to address the whole system, not just the migration component, and it needs to be paced to allow our economy and workers to absorb the changes. Otherwise, the backlash will come.

 

KWHIT190211

9:59 PM ET

February 1, 2010

This article.

I wonder just how long this article would be it the one word jerks made whole sentances then what they did. I don't know about the rest of you people here, but it ticked me off to keep mousing down to read the article. in fact the first one was enough & I blew threw the rest of the one worders. How very boring!!
As far as the people in the capital of Haiti are concern. Let them stay in Haiti. The last time I looked the quake only hit the capital of Haiti. Aren't there anymore cities in Haiti?? Its a big blood island, the last time that I looked. All they have to do is move out of all the conjestion of a city the live in & branch out. Put, up some buildings to code for a change. And, stop all the politicans from lining their own pockets with all the foreign aid.
We have enough problems with all the Mexicians comming across the border. Now you want to give carte blanc to the Haitians?? Hell no!!
My wife has been trying to get her brother here from the Philippines for 12 years now. He's on the list to come over here, but to be on the top of the list. You must be on it for 20 years, & that's no BS.
You want to come here, wait you turn like eveyone else. No bucking the line!!
When will you bleeding hearts figure that out??

 

MICHAEL_CLEMENS

2:31 AM ET

February 11, 2010

Nope, not "carte blanche"

Very few commenters appear to have read my article. I said nothing about "carte blanche" for anyone. I just suggested letting in a few more, that's all.

 

PURP

10:01 PM ET

February 1, 2010

So what would be your selection criteria Michael?

Education, skills, health status, etc? If you want to let a few more in legally, obviously you have some set of filters in mind, or would you just be going with whatever it is that INS uses now?

If enough of the wrong people are drained away from any nation, you risk creating a self-fulfilling prophesy of perpetual failure, dependence, and dysfunctional society that no amount of "aid" from overseas relatives can cure. Nations need native talent to prosper long term and break the cycle of dependency.

Even the Saudis, who are by no means a "poor nation", have come to recognize that over dependence on foreign contractors and outside talent has become a long term liability for them and are making moves to correct that and promote a middle/professional class.

Clearly the biggest liability in Haiti in the past has been dysfunctional government and corruption, not any particular failings of its people; people who by any measure are incredibly creative and show a talent for managing to make do and survive with very little.

I'm not yet ready to give up Haiti as a lost cause. Haiti is very well positioned geographically to transform into a mini-China. Its centrally located between the US south east, north eastern South America, West Africa, and Europe which makes cargo container shipping from Haiti to those locales cost roughly 1/3 that of shipping from China.

This earthquake has provided Haiti a once in a lifetime golden opportunity cloaked as a disaster. The best way the USA can help Haiti in the long term is by pressuring the needed political reform that would allow the country to become that mini-China I describe. ~95% of existing Haitian trade is with the USA today...where I come from, that's known as powerful leverage.

 

MICHAEL_CLEMENS

2:36 AM ET

February 11, 2010

Continuing things that haven't worked is "giving up"

The alternative to letting skilled people voluntarily leave Haiti is trapping skilled people in Haiti against their will. I invite you to think carefully about whether trapping skilled people in a place that has experienced negative economic growth for two generations is likely to be an effective, ethical development strategy.

You suggest that "pressuring for political reform" is the best long-term development strategy for Haiti. The US has been doing that for a very long time, and Haitians today are much poorer than they were two generations ago. Apparently that strategy does not work.

I am not suggesting "giving up on Haiti". I am suggesting that any poverty reduction strategy that is not based on what has worked best in the past to bring Haitians out of poverty is not a serious strategy. "Pressuring for political reform" has not worked, and is not a serious strategy.

 

FEDUPWITHMORONS

9:16 AM ET

February 2, 2010

Research Fellow? Really?

I guess I shouldn't be surprised that an "academic" would write such appalling trash. Nor should I be surprised that this so-called "research fellow" can't respond factually to criticisms, but can only manage to lob smears and engage in moral puffery. What does surprise me is that "Foreign Policy" actually published this piece. Yet another sign that the time in which we're living is dominated by mountebanks and morons.

Seriously, Clemens, as a commenter above suggested: Host a random Hatian family of 12 in your home for a year, and then get back to us on your plan. Hell, really, you needn't even host them in your own home. Just rent the home next door to yours for them. That'll be good enough.

As long as our "elites" don't face any consequences of mass immigration of poor, dysfunctional people into the West, they'll continue advocating this nonsense. Western elites are at war with the average people of the West. The sooner we common folks acknowledge this, the sooner we'll be able to take action and rid ourselves of "elites" like Clemens, sending them to do more productive work, such as hauling our trash, or flipping our burgers. (I mean no disrespect to garbage men or restaurant workers. Both professions contribute vastly more to our society than do "elites" of the caliber of Clemens.)

 

TABLOIDHACK

7:54 AM ET

February 4, 2010

Clemens is a childish snob

I agree with you completely. At first, I was willing to give Clemens the benefit of the doubt, but his comments here have demonstrated that he is a vain, immature, snobby person. He doesn't answer people's criticisms with facts and well reasoned arguments, but rather with a holier-than-thou moral superiority and peurile ad hominem attacks.

Hey Clemens, welcome to the real world. You don't get to control the dialogue, and you don't get to control people's thoughts. Stick to your academic journals if you don't want to hear someone daring to disagree with you.

 

MICHAEL_CLEMENS

2:47 AM ET

February 11, 2010

Reasoned arguments

It's bizarre that you consider this comment and several others to contain "reasoned arguments". Allowing someone into your country is obviously not the same as allowing them into your home. Very few of the Americans who welcomed your own ancestors into this country would have allowed your ancestors into their private homes. But they let them into the country anyway, because they knew that in most cases your ancestors would become productive members of society. Most of your ancestors did, and most Haitians do too. Whether I would want your ancestors, or any Haitian, to live inside my home is irrelevant.

It's too bad you considered my response to the earlier commenter "childish". When people make sarcastic jokes in a situation where, according to the latest figures, 212,000+ died, I find that sickening and outrageous, and I won't apologize for saying so. Sick jokes are to be expected of children; finding them inappropriate is to be expected of adults.

 

AMY-BANGKOK

8:04 PM ET

February 11, 2010

My guess is, Mr. Clemens is feeling the consequences...

The consequences of trying to defend his article on the Internet, that is. I'd say that I'm amazed at the crraaazzy overreactions people are having to this article, but the truth is, I'm not... Judging by the responses here, one might guess the "common man" is easily threatened by the ideas of others!

I think it is important that there are researchers and academics and policy makers of all stripes who write of unconventional solutions to such large problems. I also think its fantastic the author is willing to discuss his work here (most wouldnt). Does that make me elitist?