The Glaciers Are Still Melting

The U.N.'s top climate panel has withdrawn a mistaken prediction that the Himalayan glaciers might not exist in 2035. But that doesn't mean the whole world isn't in hot water.

BY STEPHAN FARIS | FEBRUARY 11, 2010

Last summer, I wrote an article for this magazine in which I argued that the glaciers of Kashmir presented a potential flashpoint for climate-related conflict. Pakistan depends on the disputed territory's water for nearly all of its agricultural irrigation. As the ice melted from the Himalayas, the region's rivers would alter their flow and India's nuclear-armed neighbor would come under increasing pressure to press its claims.

The crisis, I wrote, was imminent. In a 2007 report assessing the scientific consensus on global warming, the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) estimated that if temperatures continued to rise at their current rates, the glaciers would be all but gone by 2035. That date turns out to be wrong. The news of the glaciers' demise has been greatly exaggerated.

The United Nations' Nobel Peace prize-winning panel is chartered with being an authoritative, neutral voice on climate change. But it plucked the date for the glaciers' disappearance from a 2005 report by the environmental advocacy group WWF, which in turn had taken the figure from a 1999 magazine article attributing the claim to an Indian glacier expert, who now denies he ever said such a thing. The scientist in charge of the section of the report where the claim appeared, Murari Lal, told London's Daily Mail that he had included the figure to "impact policy-makers and politicians and encourage them to take some concrete action."

Lal, a climatologist and director of the India-based Climate, Energy and Sustainable Development Analysis Centre, says he was misquoted. "We entirely trusted the findings reported in the WWF 2005 Report and the underlying references as scientifically sound and relevant," he told me in an email. But his decision has had an impact, if not the one the Daily Mail alleges he was looking for. Foreign Policy wasn't the only place the badly sourced date was published. It was widely cited in the press and in policy documents. I also used it in my book Forecast: The Surprising -- and Immediate -- Consequences of Climate Change. Nonetheless, it's a good bet that the claim about the glaciers has generated more column inches in the past few weeks than in the 10 years since it first appeared.

The bungling has been seized upon by opponents of action on climate change as an example of bias among those studying the warming of the Earth. They have a point. The controversy follows a scandal over hacked emails that showed climate researchers adopting a bunker mentality and perhaps even conspiring to delete material related to a Freedom of Information Act request. Rajendra K. Pachauri, the outspoken head of the IPCC, has also come under attack for taking consultancy fees, which he funnels to his environmental nonprofit.

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 SUBJECTS: ENVIRONMENT
 

JACK34

4:54 AM ET

February 12, 2010

"Everyone today agrees that

"Everyone today agrees that there is global warming," says the "Policy" Dr. Petrovic. This is supported by numerous facts and signs that are lower in all series long. Glaciers in Alaska are melting and are reduced 10 percent for the last 100 years. Melting glaciers in the Andes, withdraw each year for 19 meters and now cover 25 percent less area than 25 years ago. Glaciers lower than 5000 meters will disappear by 2015. year. The world bank and IMF should provide loan and financial aids to the poor countries to overcome the environmental pollution. In the last 100 years sea level has increased from 10 to 25 centimeters. When otope glaciers in Greenland, sea level raises for six to seven meters, and if otopi Antarctica, the level will be higher for 110 meters.

 

DUTCH JUSTICE

6:06 AM ET

February 12, 2010

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Please, produce some evidence for these WILD claims.

Thank you.

-Amsterdam

 

JOHN2004

12:40 AM ET

March 9, 2010

Everybody sees and everyone agrees…that you and I are wrong…and

Totally obsessed with The Raconteurs still. Amazing voice that lead singer has. Didn’t he date some sort of Mischa Barton-type celeb?Anywho, so yesterday I solved my “why am I not getting any good cable channels” problem. Turns out, the lady from Comcast was right, I do get their premium basic package, but me, being technologically slow hasn’t actually updated by Tivo in oh about 3 years, meaning that it was still linked to my old zip code and such. SO last night I updated that and now folks…I can watch all the Whatever, Martha, original 90210, and Man vs. Wild I want! Hurray! In fact, I just set my Tivo to tape a crapload of MVW this weekend/Monday. Awesome. I know it’s probably fake. But Bear is hot. Even if he is a lunatic haha.So after that was done, I watched 90210 2.0. Where was Kelly and Brenda? And why is the amazing Jessica Walters leaving? And really, how annoying are Ethan and Annie. And this was the first time I actually thought that Naomi (aka Drunkface aka AnnaLynn McChord) was really truley stunning. If even a weee bit too skinny. However, this show. I am interested in seeing where the Silver plotline goes. Jessica Stroup is a great actress. But overall, I thought the episode was just meh.

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JOSHUAWILLIAMS

5:28 AM ET

February 12, 2010

Melting of glacier is one of

Melting of glacier is one of the most serious effect that we are experiencing right now. We must do something to save our environment now for our future generation. Or else, everything might end up to be a total disaster.Joshua Williams

 

DUTCH JUSTICE

6:04 AM ET

February 12, 2010

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I suggest we (the UN) impose a global carbon tax on all human activity, from farming to breathing. We must stop the evil carbon dioxide from melting our planet!!!

 

MOHAIR.SAM

2:53 PM ET

February 12, 2010

Why half-measures?

If it's this dire (as we're always hearing), isn't it time we faced the fact that human beings are causing this, and only a radical decline in the human population MAY stem the imminent doom? Thus, why are we lending a hand in Haiti? Shouldn't we let disasters run their course; wars rage on; diseases take their toll, etc.?

As we saw in Copenhagen, half-measures prevail. With news out of Oregon State University last year that every baby born in the U.S. brings roughly 8,000 tons more of evil carbon onto the planet, shouldn't we legalize infanticide AND openly encourage suicide en masse?

Between those modest proposals and an outright ban on all human activity, we may—MAY—have a tiny shot on saving the fragile planet.

 

J BAUSTIAN

4:36 PM ET

February 12, 2010

the end of IPCC (and maybe the UN?)

Before, the IPCC claimed it was right because all credible scientists agreed with its conclusions. Now it admits that the evidence behind its conclusions was bogus, but argues that those conclusions are still valid because.... it says so? because "credible scientists" still say the IPCC conclusions are right.

Sorry, but so much damage has been done to the entire AGW industry that I do not think it can recover. It's become entirely clear that the whole climate change debate is political and not scientific -- that it's the biggest fraud ever perpetrated in the world, with potentially trillions of dollars in loot for the scammers if they can pull it off. However, now that evidence of the crime is out in the open, I just don't see how it's possible to keep the conspiracy alive.

It is not just the IPCC that has lost all credibility -- the United Nations itself has been greatly diminished. Some of the same parties that were involved in the $50+ billion Oil-for-Food fraud were also hoping to profit from the Cap & Trade fraud. More and more it looks like the UN is just an organization of international gangsters.

 

BUFFALO09

11:16 PM ET

February 12, 2010

Extinction of U.N./IPCC-Honest Truthful Recognition of Bullshit

Baustian, thank you for taking the time to contribute a submission that offers truthful, honest, and realistic insight as opposed to (author/occupation?) Stephen Faris's pathetic attempt to revive a movement who’s most recent contribution towards the scientific community involved violating the "Freedom of Information Act". It is not my intention to convey that a cleaner environment should not be a major priority for all countries who possess means to contribute viable resources; however the average citizen in America is suffering for multiple reasons that require objective debate and the country's focus should be prioritized towards reinforcing the backbone of our economy-the mid to small business. This article provides an excellent example of how individuals who continue to engage in discussion of a nature whose dishonesty and hypocrisy were recently exposed continue to express behavior that can only be categorized as "disengaged with reality". This article continues to illustrate motivating factors that drive this faction; and I must be a fool to assume that billions of dollars would change hands from the fossil fuel industry into the hands of "Sustainable Green Entrepreneurs" whose ownership of green technology trade patents (and yes, they rely on bullshit like the submission offered by Faris and in return they extend grant money for scientific opinion that until recently can now only be associated with the more than generous term "Junk Science") will transfer an enormous amount of wealth should proposed "Green" legislation become enacted/enforced law. It appears the term "Green" retains multiple meanings of which have no purposes towards increasing the environmental standards of citizens across the globe. Climate Gate, accidental misstated quotes from environmental experts who conveniently misstated scientific facts, Australia’s recent expulsion of cap and trade legislation, and finally the mass exodus of 700 scientists from the IPCC (Globalist Star Trek Utopian Elitist) has exposed the movement whose credibility, honesty, and integrity can only be escalated to that of someone similar to Bernie Madoff. Global Temperatures are constantly in flux while there are some glaciers that are currently extending their special presence while others continue to recede; these occurrences are beyond our current technological analytical capabilities, especially having only explored only one percent of our global oceans. Caution and awareness deserve credence in this matter, however dishonesty, arrogance, and discussion forum’s whose directive only promotes opinion based scientific observations do not promote nobilities associated with providing a cleaner environment for our children; they expose a level of dishonesty that can only be categorized as an indirect assault on the institution of free thought.

Striving for a cleaner environment that will be sustainable for our future generations is imperative and should remain a priority, however the average fair minded objective thinking person should not continue to be subjected to bullshit of this nature; especially while the bureaucrats in both parties continue to frivolously waste the "people's" time and money and insult their intellect by arrogantly behaving as if their political/legal/academic backgrounds entitle them to make decisions that citizens of this nation should be afforded an opportunity to engage by their own accord.

Thanks for the breath of fresh air Baustian. Foreign Policy’s repetitious publications similar to the submission provided by Stephen Faris exposes the erosion of credibility regarding their desire to engage in discussion relating to International Affairs, it also poses the question as to whether their journalistic contribution should remain or be considered by objective members in the foreign policy community to retain a miniscule level of integrity.

FP, your readers expect more and we challenge you to provide submissions whose nature can honestly be classified as credible and worthy of our time and serious consideration.

 

SQUEEDLE

5:28 PM ET

February 12, 2010

Let me just throw out some

Let me just throw out some numbers here:

Let's say your child has a bedroom on the second floor. Let's say the risk of a fire in your house is 5%. It will cost you $300 to install a safe, usable ladder so that your child could escape in the event of a fire. Wouldn't you get the ladder? What if it cost $1000? $10,000? What price are you willing to put on your child's life?

This is really no different, except that the "fire" would move a lot slower. Are you willing to gamble on the future of your children and grandchildren by not acting? Global warming scientists are easily more than 5% sure that human-caused global warming is real. If you are only 95% certain that it's not, what you are still saying, is that you're willing to gamble that your children and/or grandchildren will have a hard life in a world run over with poverty, starvation and civil war, with 1 in 20 odds. You're totally ok with doing nothing, for 1 in 20 odds that your own kids don't have a future to speak of.

1 in 20 is more likely than that your child or grandchild will: die in a car accident, come down with a terminal disease, or commit suicide. I'm sure most of you have taken measures to prevent all of these. So what's the problem here?

Even if it is totally false, what do we truly have to lose by becoming less wasteful, more efficient and not dependent on foreign oil? Do you just like paying terrorists to blow us up?

 

NIKE

8:10 AM ET

February 14, 2010

TORTURED REASONING

Thanks for your honesty, Squeedle, as most Warmers won't admit to the statements that you just made, that Warmers don't care whether they're right or wrong, or whether their 'science' is based in reality or not, because their 'cause' is so righteous.

In the real world, we all know about the Medieval Warm Period, when grapes grew on Newfoundland, the Vikings colonized Greenland and farmed there! - and the seas were by their own description "free of ice." Oh no! The arctic ecosystem must have collapsed - but we all know it didn't. I wonder if anybody was claiming back then that the sky was falling - and that it was all caused by man's activities?

God Bless America.