What Happened to New York's Moxie?

Trying Khalid Sheikh Mohammed in Manhattan would have showed the terrorists that Americans are not afraid. Eight and a half years after 9/11, we’re not there yet.

BY JAMES TRAUB | MARCH 2, 2010

What happened to urban mettle? The city's top security official was saying that the cost of holding the trial in New York was paralyzing Lower Manhattan and exposing the metropolitan area to the threat of terrorist attack. Of course that was too high a price to pay -- in every sense. The Real Estate Board of New York established movethetrial.com, a website whose central proposition was that the trial "will strangle the already weakened local economy." The effective imprisonment of Lower Manhattan would, in the supreme nightmare scenario, bring co-op and condo sales to a halt. New York's business and civic elite began to close ranks against the trial. On Jan. 27, Bloomberg reversed himself, suggesting the Justice Department move the trial to a military base somewhere.

But was it, in fact, necessary to choose between the trial and the city's security, and economy, and daily life? In other parts of the world, high-security terrorism trials are accepted as a fact of modern life. Irish terrorists used to be routinely tried in Belfast's Crumlin Road courthouse on the ethnic dividing line of a city seething with terrorist sympathizers. The Old Bailey, the setting for many such trials, sits in the middle of London. The trial of the 29 men accused of masterminding the 2004 train bombings in Madrid, which killed 191 people, featured a bomb-proof chamber for the defendants; but the intense security did not make city life grind to a halt. (I cannot say what happened to condo sales.) Peter Clarke, the former head of counterterrorism for Scotland Yard and now a fellow at New York University's Center on Law and Security, told me, "You have to accept that it is virtually impossible to exclude risk. And then you have to decide who owns that risk." Political leaders must be willing to take responsibility. (But Clarke also noted that the British have moved the most notorious trials to the high-security court at Belmarsh, at the edge of London -- a solution worth considering for the future.)

So why wouldn't the famously pugnacious Bloomberg own that risk? Or rather, why didn't he push back when Kelly presented his asphyxiating plan? I don't know the mayor's motivation; given the police commissioner's own sterling record as a public servant and the growing opposition of the business community, Bloomberg would have had to believe very deeply in holding the trial in the shadow of the World Trade Center. Perhaps he didn't. An avowed pragmatist, the mayor might well have concluded that this was scarcely a battle worth taking up.

Could Bloomberg have succeeded by reminding New Yorkers of their native moxie? I suspect not. One of the hallmarks of our era is that when security is placed in balance with some other principle, security almost always wins. Look at the outcry over moving prisoners from Guantánamo to the U.S. mainland. When the Justice Department tried last fall to resettle two (likely harmless) Chinese Uighurs in Virginia, the hysterical reaction led Congress to bar the government from moving any detainees to U.S. soil, save for trial. The proposal to move others to supermax prisons in this country led to a nationwide NIMBY backlash. A few dozen craggly detainees had been endowed with a kind of radioactive menace.

New York's mayor and police commissioner thus put the president and the attorney general in the impossible position of advocating core democratic principles in the face of security concerns. That's a loser. Last week, Obama ruefully acknowledged that "if you have a city that is saying no, and a police department that is saying no, and a mayor that is saying no, that makes it difficult." But you can't just blame them: All of us are running scared.

JANET HAMLIN/AFP/Getty Images

 

James Traub is a contributing writer for the New York Times Magazine and author of, most recently, The Freedom Agenda. His new column for ForeignPolicy.com runs weekly.

BLUE13326

8:32 AM ET

March 3, 2010

No. It's more about what

No.

It's more about what happened on Wall Street and the economic carnage that produced, after the carnage that 9/11 produced. NY doesn't need another big payout and another disruption as it tries to gets its economy back on track.

Add this to the fact that Americans are at best ambivalent about giving KSM et al access to our civilian court system (especially when the current admin has pretty much admitted these are nothing but show trials), and you get a deep weariness from New Yorkers on the issue. Thye just want the economy to get better and don't need the disruption.

It's not Bush's fault, either.

 

SOULCASE

2:24 PM ET

March 3, 2010

Stop Bitching

Petitioning for NIMBY is a right, and should citizens in a democracy choose to exercise it, Mr. Traub, that is their right. I'm sorry that your sense of moxie will be dented should the KSM trial get transferred elsewhere. Going through with a economically cumbersome show trial, as you admit to admitting, is ipso facto retarded, to paraphrase Rahm Emanuel.

Americans are not afraid today because other Americans are going overseas and shooting mujahidin in the face, and some Americans stateside with badges and guns are getting aggressive about doing their job.

Having met some unsavory jihadists overseas, I can tell you with certainty that having a kangaroo court in Gotham will neither scare them straight nor correct the perceived sleights to their dignity. This is a war, sir, and as long as no more New Yorkers get killed in it, this should be the end of New Yorkers' involvement, lest they pick up a rifle and be counted among the brave.

 

RABAGLEY

5:49 PM ET

March 4, 2010

Smart Americans were never afraid

Smart Americans were never afraid of terrorists, even before brave young men were asked to travel overseas and fight for the neocon model of sound foreign policy. Smart Americans were angry at people who wanted to scare us, and that group quickly became terrorists and the neocons.

As for "the war on terrir", I disagree that it is a war at all. All of the fighting we're doing is simply propaganda to demonstrate US military superiority in which there is real fighting and real casualties, but nothing else that could possibly be justified by the word "war".

If we can show that KSM committed a crime, including an international crime, put up the evidence, convict him, and kill him or lock him up forever as decided. If not, set him free and investigate those whose incompetence prevented us from prosecuting him. We are America, partly founded on concepts of doing the right thing even when others will not, and we should demand nothing less than habeus corpus and due process for everyone: absolutely positively including everyone we think has committed or intends to commit a terrorist act.

 

RKERG

9:47 PM ET

March 3, 2010

Its the economy stupid

Really, it is. The Mayor of New York realized what it was going to cost the city for extra police protection to secure the thousands of media people, protesters, and crazies, (not to mention any would be terrorists) that would converge on the city to partake of this trial that might take as long as a year to finish. If the economy was going good, then trying
the guy might be a feel good moment for the city but, in this economy, the mayor took a rain check and I don't blame him.

 

NSC LONDON

7:56 AM ET

March 4, 2010

Soulcase - here here!

Soulcase - here here! Totally agreed with your post sir, well said.

 

ZERI

2:24 PM ET

March 4, 2010

What they said, plus...

I don't need a long, expensive trial, complete with round-the-clock drooling coverage from cable, wall-to-wall mouth-breathers, truthers, and other assorted Bubbas protesting, and an overzealous police force using dragnets on anyone using the public sidewalks (remember the Republican national convention, anyone?) to prove my "moxie." I don't need to prove anything to anyone -- that's how you know I'm a New Yorker.

Frankly, I have enough trouble getting from my station to my office as it is. What I want is for everyone else to GET OUT OF MY WAY. Disruptions like this stupid trial are just cumbersome work-arounds.

Incidentally, the "captcha" words below for me are "warhead frolic" which just led to the most incredible mental image. Think a Busby Berkley number with bombs...

 

JCAMBRO

2:45 PM ET

March 4, 2010

Enough with the "irrational fears" accusation

I hate being told how I feel. And I really hate the suggestion that my thinking is, in the words of this columnist, "clouded." (Now I'll likely be acused of "hate"...)

My thoughts on this topic are not "clouded by fear." I suspect that many Americans (New Yorkers and non-New Yorkers alike) are far more irritated than fearful, at the clueless assertions made by civil libertarians on the topic of our war with Al Qaeda.

Treating terrorist detainees like common criminals, and affording them the full range of rights and judicial processes that are used to prosecute domestic criminals is a really bad idea.

Many members of Al Qaeda have already walked out of prisons around the world to kill and kill again. Violent criminals throughout the United States are repeat offendors as well. Any American who picks up a newspaper knows how porous and incompetent our justice system is. I knew a woman who was raped and beaten by a man who had FOUR previous convicitons for sexual assault. THIS is the system you expect us to TRUST with Al Qaeda?

We prefer that members of Al Qaeda be treated as military targets, rather than criminal defendants. Most Americans agree with me on this point, and you have the gall to suggest that we are all a bunch of quivering vicitms of fear mongering? What gall.

You are welcome to disagree. But please stop suggesting that everyone who shares my view is paralyzed by irrational fears, fear mongering and the like. We are adults, and we know why we think what we think.

Do I fear the Al Qaeda will strike again, and with possibly devastating consequences? Sure. But if you think that fear is not wise, justified or rational, you're the one who needs to come out of the clouds - and in for a landing.

(Let's just hope you're not on the wrong plane when the time comes...)

 

EZRA

8:41 PM ET

March 8, 2010

No, I agree with Traub

Americans like to talk tough, but 9 times out of 10 that's all it is: talk. They produce a lot of bluster and bragging, but whenever even the most minor "incident" happens (the Christmas day attempted bombing, for example, which didn't even cause a nickel's worth of damage) everybody freaks out. These colors don't run? Please. Other nations have shown themselves capable of dealing with these types of things without crying so much. We're "adults who know why we think what we think"? Are we? I think we're poorly educated simpletons flailing about blindly in a world too complicated for our naivete, easily deluded by a popular culture full of ignorance, wishful thinking, and fantasies. I write this, btw, as an American dismayed by our foolishness, cowardice and superficiality

 

FOXBLUE3

5:15 PM ET

March 4, 2010

ksm trial

why not try KSM on a boat in the bay in N.Y.C. waters?

 

TEASER38

4:43 AM ET

March 5, 2010

There is an easy way out of this..

Let the all go in the desert back in Afghanistan, Pakistan or maybe Yemen, give them a sporting 5 minute head start and then sic the predator drones on them. Nobody seems to have a problem with that sort of extrajudicial killing.

Otherwise either try them under US criminal law or send them to the Hague. I'd personally think the trials should be in Denver (a la Oklahoma City Bombing).