Should Pakistan Get a Nuke Deal?

Only if it finally abandons its support for terrorism.

BY C. CHRISTINE FAIR | MARCH 23, 2010

On March 24, the United States and Pakistan will convene their newly launched strategic dialogue. Past engagement between the two countries has been neither strategic nor a dialogue. This time, Pakistan's delegation is likely to request a civilian nuclear agreement akin to the U.S.-India civilian nuclear deal that was initiated in 2005. Given Pakistan's history of proliferation, such a proposal would meet with howls of disapproval on Capitol Hill and in New Delhi, not to mention healthy skepticism among some in Barack Obama's administration. But Washington should not reject a deal outright: It could be a real opportunity to put the United States's troubled relationship with Pakistan on steadier footing.

To stabilize Afghanistan, the United States needs Pakistan. It is both the primary transit route to supply the Afghan war and the home to Islamist militants who are savaging Afghanistan, India, and Pakistan itself. Worse, these militant groups are linked to international terrorism -- as numerous terrorist plots and attacks across North America, Europe, and Australia attest.

Islamabad's pitch will likely be that Washington needs it more than the other way around. But the truth is that Pakistan needs the United States more than ever as it confronts a serious blowback of Islamist militants who are ravaging the country. Pakistan's military has limited counterinsurgency capabilities or assets due to its longstanding focus on conventional war with India. Pakistan needs U.S. help to improve its inadequate police forces and help rebuild the country's civilian institutions and rehabilitate the areas and populations devastated by army operations. Although Pakistanis point to their "all-weather friend" China, it is U.S. -- not Chinese -- assistance that will help Pakistan maintain conventional parity with its chief nemesis, India. The platforms that China is willing to sell are unlikely to be an effective counterweight to India's evolving capabilities.

Moreover, because Pakistan fears U.S. intentions regarding its nuclear arsenal, only the United States can address Pakistan's neuralgic insecurity by acknowledging the country as an accepted -- rather than merely tolerated -- nuclear power. The United States has formally conceded India as a de jure nuclear power and has long supported Israel's program actively and passively. Pakistan is the third country that went nuclear outside the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty, and it wants the same explicit acceptance as the other two.

Any civilian nuclear deal for Pakistan would have to be conditions-based. It would not be equivalent to India's deal, which recognizes India's nonproliferation commitments and enables India to compete strategically with China globally. A civilian nuclear deal with Pakistan has a different logic: to reset bilateral relations that are bedeviled with layers of mistrust on both sides.

Pakistan disconcerts the world due to its nuclear proliferation record and because it supports myriad Islamist militants menacing the international community. This deal should therefore be conditioned upon access to nuclear scientist A.Q. Khan and direct information about his nuclear black markets, as well as verifiable evidence that Pakistan is reversing its support for militant groups and taking active steps to dismantle the architecture for terrorism.

At the same time, the deal should address Pakistan's chief concerns. Pakistan fears that the United States -- perhaps in consort with India and Israel -- seeks to dismantle its nuclear program. Such a deal would formally recognize Pakistan's nuclear status and reward it for the considerable progress it has made to enhance its arsenal's security since 2002.

BEHROUZ MEHRI/AFP/Getty Images

 SUBJECTS: PAKISTAN
 

C. Christine Fair is assistant professor at Georgetown University's School of Foreign Service.

INKMAN

7:38 PM ET

March 23, 2010

Why Pakistan should not get a nuclear deal

Pakistan is the same country whose chief nuclear scientist, A.Q. Khan, opened a "nuclear Wal-Mart" and first illegally copied European nuclear designs and then sold nuclear weapons technology to North Korea, Libya and Iran. Pakistan is the same country which till date continues to have extensive missile development relationship with North Korea. And Christine Fair is suggesting that very same country gets a nuclear deal from the US?

Till date, various Taliban leaders continue to receive extensive support from Pakistani military establishment. Just because Pakistani military arrested some Taliban leaders in the past few months doesn't mean that Pakistan is committed to the fight against these terror groups. Even a person with an IQ of 80 can very well conclude that these are all steps being taken by Pakistan to get considerable say in the negotiating table. Once the deal is done, it will return back to its old ways. Only a fool would think that Pakistan will remain committed to its word.

And this was the most astonishing excerpt from the article -
"Washington must transform its relations with Islamabad (and Rawalpindi, where Pakistan's military is headquartered) with the same energy and creativity as it did with New Delhi because Washington needs both South Asian states as much as they need Washington. "

Are you serious? Christine Fair is suggesting that the US should deal similarly with both India (the world's largest stable democracy and the second fastest growing major economy) and Pakistan (a failed state crippled with several social, economic and political problems). This is absolutely non-sense.

Christine Fair should know more about the dynamics of America's relationship with these two South Asian nations - the US needs India not only as a strategic counterbalance to China but also as a crucial economic partner which can revive the failing American economy. On the other hand, Pakistan needs US because it needs American money to bail out its own failing economy.

Unfortunately for US, dealing with these two nations is a zero-sum game. If US extends a nuclear deal to Pakistan, then it can kiss goodbye to any strategic or economic relationship it wishes to have with India. Choose your pick Christine Fair - India or Pakistan.

 

HYPERSPACER

2:18 AM ET

March 24, 2010

Why Pakistan should get a nuclear deal

"Christine Fair is suggesting that the US should deal similarly with both India (the world's largest stable democracy ..."

People should stop referring India as a democracy. You are giving democracy a bad name. No democracy in this world have failed its people so blatantly. This is a cruel regime that spends billions of dollars in buying weapons instead of feeding its most vunerable citizens.

"...the US needs India not only as a strategic counterbalance to China..."

Here are some information that Indians does not want to hear:

http://www.gregoryclark.net/redif.html
http://www.gregoryclark.net/jt/page69/page69.html
http://www.rediff.com/news/2001/may/23spec.htm

 

ARYABHAT

6:48 AM ET

March 24, 2010

Compare India with US and UK Democracies!

In India, where 80%+ population is Hindu, a Sikh is a Prime Minister, A Christian European born woman is leader of ruling party, and a Muslim Vice-President!

Test of any democracy is how its minority is able to reach to the higher level in ruling strata. Could you even imagine a Jew President, a Hindu India born woman leader of ruling party WITH a Black VP in USA? Or a Jew PM, a Hindu India born woman leader of ruling party and a Muslin Deputy PM in UK?

It is so easy to preach developing nations to not spend on their defence! India still speand about 2% of its GDP to defence - much lower then Pakistan or China. India is in a rough neighbourhood unlike US or UK! Imagine Canada and Mexico BOTH having Nukes AND Anti-USA intentions and then Indians telling you to spend less on US defence and rather provide free healthcare to ALL in USA!

Preach this patronising gospel to Banana republics before you justify giving Nukes to Jihadis in Uniform - Pak Amry by claiming that India is a bad democracy! Ahhh, and you have conveniently forgetten that Pakistan since inception is ruled by its Army for the majority of its existance! As for Pakistan treating its own people, just search Youtube for Pakistani torture of its Baloch population!

So compared to US, UK or Pakistan - by your own democratic standards - India has a right and a need for its existance - to have a Nuke capability and a right and need to deny Pakistan such capability!

Many thanks for raising "Democracy" as a criteria!

 

INKMAN

9:00 AM ET

March 24, 2010

To HYPERSPACER

Oh really Mr. HYPERSPACER? Yes, India spends billions of dollars on defense but as a percentage of GDP, India's expenditure of defense is far less than what many other poorer countries, including Pakistan, spend. Considering the fact that 6 of India's neighbors are classified as "failed states", including Pakistan, India's multi-billion defense expenditure, though only 2.8% of the country's GDP, is very well justified.

It is surprising how forgot to put forward the same point in the case of Pakistan which spends close to 5% of its GDP on defense (plus billions of dollars worth American aid) even though less than 50% of its population is illiterate (the lowest in South Asia) and its per capita income, life expectancy, human development index is much lower compared to that of India.

And you are telling that India as a democracy has failed?! Wow, in which world do you live?

This democracy lifted 60 slum dwellers out of poor living conditions in the past 10 years -
http://www.business-standard.com/india/news/indiachina-lift-millions-outslums-un/88943/on

This democracy doubled the hourly wage rate of its people in the past 10 years -
http://www.csmonitor.com/Money/The-Daily-Reckoning/2010/0320/Make-way-world.-India-is-on-the-move

This democracy made one of the best improvements in providing improved water to its citizens -
http://www.economist.com/daily/chartgallery/displayStory.cfm?story_id=15762537&source=features_box4

And there are countless more achievements which India has achieved and will achieve. And Pakistan's sole achievement in the past 10 years - export of terrorism.

 

AMJIDIQBAL

10:28 AM ET

March 24, 2010

US should provide N-Deal to Pakistan

I am totally agree with Christine that US should provide civil nuclear deal to Pakistan. I have seen lot of hostile comments and most of them by indians. one thing is very clear situation of south asia keep on changing after every decade. If indians think they are stable and they can destablize Pakistan , belive me they are wrong. it is in their own benefit to support Pakistan in getting such facilities. Stable Pakistan means stable india, if there is problem in Pakistan then i am sure indians can not save their boarder. Indians claim that india is stable, look at ground level, how many insurgencies are operating within india, recent attacks on muslims and Christains are the signs of hindu radicalzation. if pakistan need to stop to support freedom fighters in Kashmir then on other side indians have to leave Kashmire and next emerging issue is water. list of conflicts is long.

 

HYPERSPACER

12:55 PM ET

March 24, 2010

Why Pakistan should get a nuclear deal

" ...And you are telling that India as a democracy has failed?! "

Absolutely. Read this:

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/asia/article1421393.ece

There are even mass graves in Indian controlled Kashmir. You read me right, mass graves. Read this:

http://www.gregoryclark.net/jt/page52/page52.html

or google Amnesty International and India mass graves

 

RAJA.AURANG

9:32 PM ET

March 25, 2010

PAKISTAN SHOULD NOT GET THE DEAL

Unlike the technologically inferior bharatis, Pakistanis don't need to get this deal. They should be able to develop it on their own.

 

SAQIBMUMTAZ

3:24 PM ET

March 27, 2010

Indian Sham Democracy

Sonia Gandhi despite winning election and being party leader with majority was not allowed to become PM as she is not born Indian. Hats of to your democracy. No Muslim PM or Chief of Army Staff then u say u secular shame

 

SOHAM

9:10 PM ET

March 23, 2010

Fails to make much sense

Unfortunately, the United States, the sole superpower of the world, is completely regardless of any sane ethics when it comes to pursuing its strategic interests. It is difficult to understand Christina's logic, she accepts that Pakistan is a problem child, and she thinks that rewarding it for unwillingly conforming to what the USA wants in the region will cause Pakistan to have parity with India. And that reward comes in the form of giving Pakistan enormous nuclear power. Christina is wrong on many counts. Firstly, this game of hanging carrots in front of both India and Pakistan will not work for much longer, secondly, giving a psychopath power and leverage is the proven way to destruction, thirdly, no amount of US strategic help will make Pakistan equal to India in any sense. It has done so for 30 years, resulting in the chaos that is now Pakistan, and if it does so for 30 more years, it will be in danger of destroying its own economy in the process.

As an Indian, I think India has no problem if the USA decides to help Pakistan socially and financially, as long as those funds are not diverted otherwise. Experiments like this nuclear deal, however, will only make India more and more suspicious. USA can afford to experiment as much as it wants with Pakistan, at least for now, because it is half the globe away. The negative consequences of it will have to be borne by another country alone.

 

DANNY

9:15 PM ET

March 23, 2010

What about Pakistan's other friends .. Iran, N. Korea, Libya, Bu

What about Pakistan's other friends .. Iran, N. Korea, Libya, Burma ..

US should be fair and just to those countries too .. Why Pakistan has any merit over those countries?

And tomorrow, we'll consider baby N-deals for Hezbolla, Hamas, PLA, Palestine if they promise they will behave nice .. no more killings or kidnappings or Kassams .. there is an acute shortage of cooking gas over there ..

 

AHSON HASAN

9:19 PM ET

March 23, 2010

Should Pakistan Get a Nuke Deal?

I'm totally perplexed by the ideas expressed by Christine Fair! How in the world can the writer throw this absurd thought of offering a failed state like Pakistan a nuclear deal? It appears to be some idealistic flight of fantasy of a fresh out of school rookie who is totally oblivious of the realities of international politics!

Pakistan is a hub of terrorist activity. It may be supposedly trying very hard to act against the fundamentalists, the ground reality is that there is this atrocious presence of the Taliban in all aspects of public as well governmental dynamics that has paralyzed the very existence of this nation.

Somewhere along the line the writer seems to have gotten spectacularly drifted. Come on! Are you serious? This is a country where it makes its citizens suffer by shutting off electricity for more than 12 hours a day! This is a horrible hell-hole where human rights do not mean anything. This is a brutal dungeon that terrorizes its very own if they try to raise their voice against injustice and inequality. This is a polity that has made its neighbors' lives miserable.

Pakistan is an insanely ill-managed country. The president of this country is a born swindler. The military-intelligence outfits are like leeches that basically feed on creating rifts within the society and taking advantage of the poor folks - more than 50% of the population lives below the poverty line.
Pakistan is just a corny state - its just like a little girl; its a lot of fuss and distraction. Pakistan is completely and utterly a pointless and silly state. Ask Pakistan's neighbors. This country is a pain in the butt, for India, for Afghanistan and perhaps for the entire world. Its foreign policy is based on usurping lands beyond its boundaries in the name of an outrageously out-dated religion (Wahabism) that only knows how to kills and maim non-Muslims.

Before anyone in their right (or wrong) frame of mind ventures to offer Islamabad a nuclear deal, please do consider that this is a can of worms and it is not worth trusting this half-clever nation. It is a strategic quagmire of sorts; it is an almost impossible adventure to decipher and comprehend its designs that could be as messed up as it finds itself so far distanced from reality.

I’m sorry for my rather strong remarks but I’m thoroughly disgusted just by the idea floated in this article. I live optimism but I like learned souls stay within skeptical limits as well. The writer needs to read and understand and learn Pakistan (and perhaps live there as well) before writing any further recipes for disaster!

 

GAGAN

3:43 PM ET

March 25, 2010

Please have mercy on the Afghans, and on the free world!

AHSON,
Minor nitpick.
The wahabi muslims in Pakistan don't discriminate on the basis of religion or sex. The kill men and women, muslims and non-muslims alike.
Its just that their vision of piety has ended up dividing muslims on the basis of the pure and the purest, and the merely pure end up on the wrong end of a kalasknikov.

To Christine Amanpour,
I will say that, I have read and followed your writings, and I conclude that you are no fool, that you understand your Pakistan well.
I wonder then how you can suggest something as seemingly untenable as a nuclear deal to the 2nd worst nuclear proliferator in the world. (The undisputed leader in this field is of course China. Pakistan - AQ Khan and the Generals in Pindi were only peddling goodies on the Chinese' behalf).

As long as Pakistan's 'nuclear' weapons are appropriated in any such nuclear deal, I am all for it. We all know that Pakistan lacks both the financial depth and the scientific depth to absorb any nuclear tech or reactor transfers.

Take away the Nuclear umbrella that the Pakistani Army wields that protects the Jihadis, and defang the pakistan army or Split pakistan into its constituent states. These are about the only ways to cull the Jihadi Frankenstein. Rewarding it with weapons and nuclear deals that don't account for the above will only be emboldening it.

The enemy must be clearly identified before it is dealt with. The media in the US, I am shocked to say obfuscates the issue. The day President Obama was outlining the afghanistan plan in west point, a major news network, where you were on the panel, was holding a panel discussion on the subject with a nice looking map of Af-Pak. The funny thing was that it seemed as if the mandrains in that network hadn't heard of Quetta or the Quetta Shura, because it wasn't even marked on the map!

This is the level of understanding that the media has on Af-Pak. No wonder the solutions they offer are equally bizzare!

The US needs to ensure that if and when it departs Af-Pak, it does not further endanger India's security, the lives of Indian citizens should not be at increased risk because the US understood the problem poorly and decided to pack up and leave in a hurry. If the Jihadis and the Generals in Pakistan are left hale and hearty at the end of this, the horror will have to be borne by India, the US, Israel, and the rest of the world. Past actions have already destroyed the lives of the common afghan. Please have mercy on them, those football stadiums were not meant to execute women.

 

GAGAN

4:44 PM ET

March 25, 2010

AHSON, Minor nitpick. The

AHSON,
Minor nitpick.
The wahabi muslims in Pakistan don't discriminate on the basis of religion or sex. The kill men and women, muslims and non-muslims alike.
Its just that their vision of piety has ended up dividing muslims on the basis of the pure and the purest, and the merely pure end up on the wrong end of a kalasknikov.

 

DANNY

9:20 PM ET

March 23, 2010

Pakistan can have India's N-Deal

Why make a new one for Pakistan?

India is willing to return it's own N-deal with US .. because it's not going anywhere anyway, Indian Parliament unwilling to approve liability bill .. Russia/France have already taken all contracts .. Indian don't want another Union Carbide ..

US can give India's returned N-deal to Pakistan with slight name correction ..

 

DANNY

9:27 PM ET

March 23, 2010

US is the decides

US is the decider ...same crime .. different verdicts ..

Put sanctions on Iran .. How dare they HOPE for N-stuff ..

Bring N. Korea to table ... ask to give up N-stuff

Give a deal and billions to Pakistan .. ask to make more and proliferate more N-stuff

 

DANNY

9:30 PM ET

March 23, 2010

Some people seek controversy

Some people seek controversy and depravity to survive and get recognized ..

Ann Coulter is no different ..

Christine fair is no different ..

 

DANNY

9:34 PM ET

March 23, 2010

If N-deal doesn't cure, what then .. N-deal+++ !!!

So what about the USD300 bil given to Pakistan so far since 1950s .. with USD30bil (arms and aid) most recently by Obama ..

That was not enough to cure their sick mind ..

If N-deal doesn't cure, what then .. N-deal+++ !!!

 

DANNY

9:50 PM ET

March 23, 2010

Is it going to a private deal between Kiyani-Pasha-Clinton?

How and who will defend Pak at US Congress, NSG and IAEA?

Is this going to be Pakistan's Opening statement at hearings "GIVE IT TO ME .. cuz YOU GAVE IT TO INDIA ..or ELSE .. and YEAH .. DON'T DARE TO ASK ME QUESTIONS ..IT'S CLOSED CHAPTER"

 

DANNY

9:53 PM ET

March 23, 2010

How come US inherits all failed states!!!

How come US inherits all failed states and ends up feeding/comforting them for the rest of their lives?

 

HELL_47

12:04 AM ET

March 24, 2010

CHRISTINE ...this is

CHRISTINE ...this is absolutely insane logic that you are suggesting. Just because US needs to improve relations you dont let anyone be rewarded. Reward always has to be for good behavior. If pakistan can proove its credentials in nuclear non proliferation for next 10-15 years ya maybe they become a contender for the deal then.

You cannot expect good behaviour and reward them right now. If this was true why not Iran or NK. Reward them too...

 

DANNY

12:55 AM ET

March 24, 2010

Walmart checks police and criminal records be4 selling a gun

Walmart checks police and criminal records be4 selling a gun to someone ...

US congress will check police and criminal records be4 donating a nuke to someone ...

 

DANNY

12:57 AM ET

March 24, 2010

Get IAEA and NSG approvals before even discussing it in DC

Send Pakistan or AQ Khan to get IAEA and NSG approvals before even discussing it in Washington DC ..

Other way around is just a wastage of everyone's time ..

 

NAZIA

1:55 AM ET

March 24, 2010

Business deals

Since 1960s nuclear technology have been extensively used for welfare of man kind in first world countries.Major areas are power generation, nuclear medicines and revolutionary agriculture reforms.For third world countries this trend is inverted and being sold as mass destruction strategies in the name of defense.
So such deals in Pakistan is between mafias in which super powers are playing major role and beneficiaries would be serving generals , bureaucracy and ruling elites.
As usual no benefits to majority and business ventures would be designed and only purpose of such provoking deals is to extract maximum money from the middle and working class of Pakistan.

 

BSUDARSHAN

2:21 AM ET

March 24, 2010

Nuclear carrot to Pak - Mistake that US will regret forever

I was watching Ms. Fair in one of the news channels debate and she was mentioning that the so called civilian nuclear deal will be a carrot for Pakistan to deliver results in war on terror. Unfortunately, the one thing I dont understand is that if it was "Civilian Nuclear" deal why is Pakistan's military leader negotiating the deal?

US created Osama Bin Laden to oust USSR from Afghanistan and later Osama turned against US and created 9/11. US is loosing at least one soldier everyday to these terrorist. US has won the battle in Afghanistan but loosing its war. US wants to run away from Afghanistan (similar to Vietnam) and wants someone "ir" responsible to take over the responsibility of bringing stability to Afghan.

To achieve the above objective, US is "bribing" Pakistan with a nuclear deal.

Simply what will happen after Pakistan get all the advanced nuclear technology is that it will join with China and threaten India and create a imbalance in the entire world by forcing a war on Kashmir.

China will support Pakistan in IAEA simply because it wants achieve the strategic objective to taking over some parts of Kashmir and Arunachal Pradesh from India and stop India's soft support to Tibetian cuase.

What a carrot to give !!!

Indian diplomats both in UN and at home are "Idiots" who are watching these deal.

There can be only one way out of this mess. Indians have to commit 100% to support Afghanistan with its stabilization and provide more troops to this cause openly. This will prevent US from giving the task to Pakistan.

US will achieve its domestic objective. India will become a international "Big" player by leading the Afghan development.

Ms. Fair agreed with Ambassador Pathasarathy on main core issues but said the deal will have many stricter "stick" on it. India is not ready to buy in this. US double standards with access to 26/11 accused proves that US is more pro-Pak that neutral in Indo-Pak conflict.

Ms. Fair - US can give a carrot to Pakistan, but if Pakistan uses the same against India, US will loose two things - one the strategic partnership with India which is primarily helping US economic and two loose its war in Afghanistan.

Mayan calendar and this deal seems to have some correlation.

"Whatever happened happened for Good; Whatever happens is happening for good; whatever will happen will happen for good" - Bhagavat Gita

 

PELAGIC.MARINER

2:31 AM ET

March 24, 2010

Your thesis is way off!

With due respect, your thesis is way off the mark. i heard you speaking on the Indian TV channels as well. i do believe your diagnosis of the disease is quite spot-on; but the prescription for treatment is highly skewed and absolutely untenable. In Pakistan today, there is seemingly little difference between the world view of the obscurantist 'mullah' fringe and the real power- the military.
In any case both are solely committed to only one thing; to preserve and perpetuate their control.
Over the years the educated civil society in Pakistan has only displayed their utter spinelessness and moral bankruptcy in allowing the 2 Ms of Mullahs and Military to take control. There exists only a caricature of the Democratic system in Pakistan, with little hope for the future.
Do you think with all the billions of dollars, or 'all the king's horses and all the king's men' - you can change anything?
The only way is to try to contain the huge problems emanating from Pakistan in the near term. Otherwise, the only long-term hope is if the 'people' of Pakistan wake up and decide to change their destiny! Not much that Uncle Sam can do.

 

KNIGHT

2:41 AM ET

March 24, 2010

miss perception

MEDIA PREVALING MISS-PERCEPTION ABOUT PAKISTAN

Pakistan is doing very perfect job for the US and allies, uptill now Pakistan has arrested many high figures of Al-Qaeda members.

But it is seem that US media still misinterpreting Pakistan’s efforts and success over the militancy and war on terror. Although on official level, we heard appreciations from Pentagon and Obama administrations and also during NATO summit held in UK appreciated efforts by Pakistan Military and rating Pakistan Military is one of the best professional Army in the world.

But media consistently creates miss-conception and trust deficit in between Pakistan and US which is not in the favour of ongoing war on terror. Pakistan’s economy affected very badly after US started this war.

Before 9/11 Paksitan’s economy was on right track and in the list of emerging economy after China and India.

Some groups within US backed by India, using media as a tool for fulfill their evil designs against Pakistan. The miss perception they are creating is not in any case in favour of US and NATO who are fighting war on terror in Afghanistan (the most dangerous war zone in the world) and Pakistan cooperating after taking U-turn in policies toward Afghanistan.

We have good hopes on today’s meetings between US and Pakistan.

 

ROGERMOORE

2:46 AM ET

March 24, 2010

History repeats itself...........

The History of US - Pakistan relations show that whenever the Americans gave aid to pakistan to further their own interests, the pakistanis mistook it as broad American support to Pakistan for their actions against India.Every American military aid that pakistan received was used against India although officially the americans said it was against communists (as they said in the 80s) and Islamists (like they are saying it now).But the Americans also knew that these weapons will be used against India.But in their bigger objective of defeating communism then or Islamism now, India is a small fry. Giving pakistan a nuclear deal to stop terrorism is like rewarding a snake by giving milk and expecting it wont bite afterwards. India got the deal because of its good behaviour.Now the suggestion is pakistan should get the deal because of its bad behaviour. For many years the Americans got miffed whenever the Indians talk about non-alignment between US and the Soveits.Now it is time for the Indians to tell the Americans that their owm Non-alignment between the Indians and pakistanis should stop.They have to choose on.They cannot hunt with the hound and run with the hare.The Americans needs to realise that this is a zero sum game and they have to choose one.

On its part, India should understand that if they want to tackle pakistan, they need to tackle America first.Without American support, pakistan is nothing (even after including the chinese and Saudi support). At this point of time India does not have any leverage against the Americans and they should develop one asap.

If you want to stop America coming to pakistan's rescue everytime, then

FIRST develop a ICBM that can hit America and then talk to the Americans.

SECOND, develop strong relations with Iran.An increased Indian-Iranian interactions will be helpful in Indian-American interactions.

THIRD Punish the American business who wants to do business with both India and pakistan.Lockheed martin and Boeing cannot sell weapons to pakistan and expect to be in the IAF tenders.

FOURTH, dont be shy to poke a finger in Uncle sam's eye, if the American's are not listening to you.Create a nuisance for the americans in the first place and then negotiate to reduce that nuisance without reducing it completely .The pakistanis have perfected this art like anything and this last tip is one of the few things which the Indians can learn from pakistanis.

 

ARYABHAT

4:25 AM ET

March 24, 2010

Why not F-35 and an Aircraft carrier as well pls?

Chirstine, rewarding bad behaviour or succumbing to blackmail never changes that behaviour or blackmailing.

Pls remember, same Pak Army asked for Billions of USD after agreeing post 9-11 to stop supporting Taliban. And what actually happened? They siphoned entire Ta,iban and Al-Queda leadership to safe houses in Islamabad, Karachi and Rawalpind to place them in cold storage and then released low/medum level terrorists drip drip drip to make even more money. Read Ex-President Pervez Mushraff's book on the $5000/head "sales" that Pak Army and ISI did! While the entire top leadership crafted 1000 cut death to US!

Same way, please, do give not just Nukes but also F-35 and some Aircraft carriers too. Otherwise after 10 years Pakistan will be complaining that though it has Nukes but not the delivery system and as it needs parity with India, it feels threatened by India's Airforce and Navy so.....Ahhh, and in case you have forgotten, they would still be bredding Jehadis and threatening that unless they get F-35 and Aircraft carrier, they may not be able to control some of the Jehadis going out of control and exploding a nuke or two on India (which would not make you even wince) or US mainland (there, now you sit up and read!) !!!

BTW, by then Myammer, Iran and N Korea would have already perhaps negotiated same as Pakistan Nuke treaty with USA, isn't it?

And Somali pirates would be promising to drop their weapons as soon as they get their own Nuke treaty.

 

S.SRIDHARAN

5:43 AM ET

March 24, 2010

Why Pakistan should not get anything indeed from the US

Ms. Christine Fair's solution to the Pakistani paranoia is no different from the path that the previous US governments have followed since Pres. Eisenhower's time. That policy has been proven to be a failure. Pakistan has gone through five distinct phases of evolution since its independence six decades ago. Each Phase has only brought more and more misery to the Indian-subcontinent, the Region and the world.

The First phase was the realization that Pakistan needed powerful alliances if it wanted to take on India. It joined CENTO, and SEATO under the camouflage of being a staunch anti-Communist nation. It also entered into a 'Mutual Defense Assistance Agreement' with the US in 1954. Under these programs, it received massive military assistance and training only to fight India but never to contribute anything to stop the spread of communism, the only purpose of these treaties. The Indian fears, repeatedly expressed, of the weapons being used against her came true in the Second Phase. In fact, while being a member of the anti-Communist groupings, it became very friendly with Communist China and had even come to an understanding on nuclear weapons as early as circa 1965.

The Second Phase was the wars it thrust on India, emboldened by the arms acquired and in the belief that the US would always come to its rescue. The 1965 and 1971 wars and the genocide in East Pakistan stand in mute testimony to the failed US policy of arming an obsessive and vision-less nation that was rapidly slipping into the clutches of Islamic fundamentalism. The US policy of eulogizing democracy but supporting military dictators came in for sharp focus at this time. Still, the massive assistance by the US could not win it popular support among the Pakistani masses.

The Third Phase was one of consolidation after the massive defeat in 1971 and the secession of East Pakistan. Overtaken by internal political turmoil and a military coup, the Brzezinski-policy of 'Bear Trap' came as a God-send opportunity to the Pakistanis in the form of the Godless Communists. The Pakistanis demanded two things from the US: massive military support to the mujaheddin to be channeled only through their ISI and more importantly a blind and benign eye from the US as Pakistan went about building its nuclear-weapon and missile arsenal.

The Fourth Phase saw a consolidation of the evil forces with the active support of the Pakistani Government, its State-within-the-State, the ISI and the Pakistani Army. It created the Wahhabi/Salafist entity of Taliban for its strategy of a 'Strategic Depth' to inflict 'a thousand cuts' on India. The jihadi forces created by the reckless approach of the US were let loose on the state of Jammu & Kashmir. People like Ms. Robin Raphael in the State Department did immensely to help with the usage of terror as an instrument of the state policy by Pakistan. Pakistan became a frothing-at-the-mouth-corners Wahhabi/Salafi fundamentalist state during this phase threatening not only its non-Sunni/non-Deobandi Muslims and other minorities like the Hindus, Christians, and Sikhs but also other regional neighbors like Iran, Chechnya, Myanmar, Afghanistan etc.

The Fifth Phase has seen a fine display of double-cross by Pakistan. While allying with the US in the Global War on Terror, it has actually protected and nurtured several jihadi forces. These jihadi elements have now gone beyond the region and the neighborhood and their footprints are visible all over the world, radiating from the epicenter of Pakistan. Since 9/11, there have been at least 150 global terror incidents where Pakistan has been involved either with funding or training or supplying manpower or indoctrination etc. Yet, the US believes that they have to now throw loaves of bread rather than mere crumbs at Pakistan to somehow buy its loyalty. Pakistan 'milked' the US so much in the last eight years that Obama said that the return on investment was utterly not commensurate. Pakistan has only taken some cosmetic steps and yet these have been enough to regain the US confidence.

Madam, you are now suggesting that the US do more of the same ? Only the French proverb "Plus ça change, plus c’est la même chose" comes to mind. But, only this time, Pakistan will be emboldened to mount or support more daring attacks across the globe. Your country, along with mine and Israel will be the first targets for their massive attacks.

 

ALANGER86

6:17 AM ET

March 24, 2010

Great idea. Let's give yet

Great idea. Let's give yet another country outside of the NPT a civil tech deal. That will be further incentive for Iran to leave the treaty. Maybe some other countries will also develop clandestine programs because they know they can get away with it. What is the point of being a member?

 

SERA

8:14 AM ET

March 24, 2010

USA and Pakistan

India has lived with problematic Pakistan for last 63 years and will do so for ever. Pakistan already has Nuclear weapons and so does India. In case of any war, India will have to fight it alone. America did not come to Pakistan's rescue in 1971, and will never do in future. India has no options but to take head on with Jihadi Pakistan sooner or later. May be next Indo-Pak war will be nuclear, so let it be. Why bother about something which is unavoidable. Annihilation of Pakistan even at the cost of 500 million Indians is worth the price. Once Pakistanis know that Indians are ready for full nuclear war, Jihadis will be gone for ever. High time we start talking of nuclear war. Let China also get radioactive fall out.. May be this is what world needs now.

 

AMJIDIQBAL

10:35 AM ET

March 24, 2010

Nuclear war

i think indians donot have balls to face pakistan and recent example is Mumbai attacks. If indians really believe that state of pakistan support that attack then why they did not attack on pakistan. answer is very simple because they know that every city of india is at target of pakistani missiles. Now indians are playing dirty tricks some time by supporting insurgency in Balochistan and sometime by building dams and using pakistani water. one thing is very clear if there would disturbance in pakistan then indians cannot remain save

 

NPEGASUS

2:47 PM ET

March 25, 2010

Trigger happy?

AMJIDIQBAL:

I sense that some in Pakistan are trigger happy constantly in search of an enemy to fight some war. Why would India give in to that? There is no evidence - I repeat, no evidence - that India has played foul in Balochistan. Neither it has violated the Indus water treaty. This has been confirmed by Pakistani media too.

 

SMCI60652

10:38 AM ET

March 24, 2010

This whole discussion is flawed

Quite honestly, India shouldn't have taken the Nuclear Deal. And Americans should question the shady way in which the Bush Administration pushed it through without sufficient expert review.

I mean has anyone read the terms of the deal? Do Indians really want American Administrations dictating which facility is going to be labeled as "civilian' and which is 'military,' thus subjecting the sites to international inspectors?

It's a sovereignty issue. And India has made its name in the new global economy in line with Nehru's time tested, non-aligned, outlook at the world. Its success and its lifting its own people up are products of its own efforts, not some newfangled way of balancing China in order to allay fears halfway across the world. Why would it want to compromise that? The 'Pakistani insecurity' as a result of the deal is just further icing for a deal that's already going to be a headache for India.

Not to mention that there are more cost-efficient ways to improve India's energy and technology sectors. These could include making India's existing electricity grid more efficient, restructuring the country's coal industry, and expanding the use of renewable energy sources, All these steps would involve much less dangerous (and less provocative) transfers of technology that would not be dual-use, and therefore not convertible to [further] nuclear weapons production.

Whatever the case may be, as a Pakistani, I certainly hope no one in the Obama Administration is foolish enough to seriously consider offering our corrupt leaders a nuclear energy deal. We don't even have a basic foundational grid to distribute the energy, so why the advanced source plants? To say nothing of the fact that the situation on the ground is too untenable to carry out large, US funded, and possibly constructed, development schemes. It just doesn't add up.

If anything, the US needs to tie aid and technology transfers to tangible transfer of sovereignty from the Chief of Army Staff to the Office of the Prime Minister. The US should take this opportunity to become the EU to Pakistan's Turkey, and incentivize democratization and transparency, not doubling down.

 

NPEGASUS

3:23 PM ET

March 25, 2010

The urge for imaginary parity

SMCI60652:

The tenet of non-alignment in India's foreign policy is still intact; however, it has been tinkered with considering the needs of the times. I favored the Indo-US nuke deal from an energy security perspective although nuclear energy will be a small portion of India's future energy portfolio. As they say the devil is in the details, the Indo-US nuke deal is not comparable to the Jap-US nuke deal. Similarly, the US-Pak nuke deal, if it sees light of the day, will be different than that of its neighbor.

I'd support the US-Pak nuke deal if - and only if - Pakistan comes clean on its sketchy record on proliferation and terrorism. That is a big 'if'. Pakistan may have to permanently put behind bars rogue military generals, middlemen and scientists. That, sadly, is not likely to happen knowing the fact that Pak military is demanding nuke deal for some imaginary parity with India. However, if the US administration, once again, chooses to lie to its citizens and to the world the deal could come through. After that Pakistanis should kiss good-bye to democracy.

 

DANNY

3:30 PM ET

March 24, 2010

How Pakistan uses US Aid!!!

How 7 Dogs Got Between the US and Pakistan

http://www.aolnews.com/world/article/dog-rescue-part-of-a-larger-pakistani-issue/19406942

 

GRUMPYFSO

5:59 PM ET

March 24, 2010

sad

Pakistan will continue its downward spiral unless and until it faces the reality that India is not its peer and never again will be, as well as drops the presumption that Pakistan has something (territory, resources, etc.) that India might want enough to be considered a threat to Pakistan. That's the fallacy that supports Rawalpindi's dominance over the country. If Pakistan would just accept that being Canada or even Mexico to India's United States beats where it currently finds itself or the even more dire straits that await further down the current path, Pakistanis would be much better off. But I'm not holding my breath.

Given the apparent vollies across the line of control that have dominated the comments so far, I feel compelled to point out that I am not Indian or Pakistani or of South Asian descent. I don't want to be dismissed as an emotional partisan.

 

NPEGASUS

3:36 PM ET

March 25, 2010

Putting some lipstick on the pig, Ms Fair?

Christine Fair, looks like, is preparing the ground for nature of events to come; howsoever dangerous they may be to the security of the world. In the coming months, we will witness some classic American spin on events and actors which distorts reality and make us believe something which is not, such as Pakistan military as some noble force that also has a soft heart for cute pets, the mujahadeen. Aww!

 

SMCI60652

4:06 PM ET

March 25, 2010

Coming months?

Clearly you haven't seen the joint press conference from yesterday.

The lipstick is all over the pig my friend.

You'll especcially enjoy the last exchange Qureishi had before wrapping up.

http://www.state.gov/secretary/rm/2010/03/138996.htm

 

SALMANKHAN602

1:05 AM ET

March 26, 2010

why indians are so much jealous from pakistan

let me tell you the facts india has population 100 crores and pakistani are only 18 crore but still pakistani is better than india and india has no dare to occupy pakistan people life standards in pak is very high even minimum wages are set for labours and every body has nice house and purchasing power is very high but in india most of people live on roads lot of people donot have accomodation acess to food and and its very dirty every where .pakistani peole have very much fair colour and lot of people are handsome but in india all south india is full of tiny short height ugly people same in mumbai only muslims and punjabis in india have fair colour .there is lot of poverty fully undeveloped areas like behar,rajistan ,and many more .in pakistan even villagers are rich they have rich agriculture land which gives crops three time a year with lot of pet animals like cows buffalows and lot of cities are rich like multan sargodha karachi pindi lahore even my town muzaffargarh .Indians says pakistani are terrorist but whenver there is any attack in pakistan indians have been found you can see their mentality how jealous comments they give but it would be their dream to invade pak Muslims have ruled india its histroy hindus never ruled and indians have muslims who will occupy india with muslims of pak .pakistan rockss you will die with jealousy ,china is with us every muslim country is with us who is with u us ohh us can never be at ur side watch how they are having dialogue with us every day and investing in pak .us want to see strong pak not strong india u got it one day we will occupy india

 

SALMANKHAN602

1:42 AM ET

March 26, 2010

indians lie all the time

indians keep on saying we are rich super power let me show you your reality i am in uk in my university and in most of uk universities all indian are studying they are dieing for getting even cleaner jobs and donot want to go back if you r so rich why you come abroad when i talk to them they say we are going to be super power well this dream will never come true and some one said pakistan is failed state let me tell you in pakistan people have lot of money but our government is poor because 80 percent people live on agriculture and there is no tax paid on agriculture land i can see lot of videos in which indians people still live in jungles and lot of short black ugly student take loan from banks and try getting visa .uk recently have banned visas for indians because they are making uk ugly like them with nepal and bangladesh uk has not banned pakistanis and australisan does the same in conclusion indians are more comlex nation on the world all the time jealous from pakis but pakis rocksss .australians are beating up indians ,india is the poorest country in the world i tell you they have 100 crore population more than 80 crore could not find basic needs like clothes , food , etc but it is country full of ugly poor people i pity on you even sikhs are rich in india they are feeding all but want their seprate land nakhlistan same as tamils and many more india will crush into pieces they compare themselves with china us u are not even equal to their shit its a country full of smell and shit .jsut leave pakistanis alone donot even discuss us next time even i donot want to take ur india because u will be no more

 

SMCI60652

9:27 AM ET

March 26, 2010

As a Pakistani...

let me just apologize to our Indian friends for the wanton racism and bigotry spewed by the moron that posted the non-sense above.

There are many people in Pakistan that respect and admire many things about India, and want to work towards mutual interest and shared peace.

Don't let idiots like the one above dishearten you.

 

ZULFIR RASH

7:31 PM ET

March 26, 2010

India Lie

Hey Salman
Look at the history-
People like you are bunch of traitors.
Begging United States- living on american leftover and shit. Accept the fact. I am glad you agree with me.
Pakistan is a beggar- Black market dealer. Seems you are a kin brother of Qureshi and cousin of Mr. 10%

 

WILLIAM99

9:16 AM ET

March 26, 2010

Speechless over the amount of Indian hatred

WOW.

I was honestly left flabbergasted over the hatred and vitriol shown by the comments made by the Indian contributors towards Pakistan and the author, Christine Fair.

The content of the article aside, It is unbelievable how hateful some of these comments actually were and I would urge the admins to ban these people to send a clear message.

UN FREAKIN BELIEVABLE.

 

ZULFIR RASH

7:11 PM ET

March 26, 2010

Nuclear Deal for Pakis

Nuclear Deal for Pakistan?

How can anyone, politician, nation or organization accept that? who is kidding who?

Pakistan is a sick country full of terrorists, traitors and extremists. Can't believe American leaders could ignore the facts. Just think over all the terrorist activities around the globe and how many times Pakis are involved.

Qureshi is two faced sick man. Look at his face when talks. One can easily tell that he is lying thru his teeth. Give Pakis what they want, who to be blamed later in the history would be none but the United States!

 

ZULFIR RASH

7:36 PM ET

March 26, 2010

Apologies

SMICS
I respect your comment and deserve appreciation and so called apologies.
We need to learn to live in harmony. We are one and Pakistan was a part of India, It is the people like Salman, Qereshi who make things miserable.

 

DANNY

10:14 PM ET

March 26, 2010

Building nukes to attack India on our tax money ...

Steam Emitted From Second Khushab Reactor Cooling Towers; Pakistan May Be Operating Second Reactor
http://isis-online.org/isis-reports/detail/steam-emitted-from-second-khushab-reactor-cooling-towers-pakistan-may-be-op/12
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Pakistan Expanding Plutonium Separation Facility Near Rawalpindi
http://isis-online.org/isis-reports/detail/steam-emitted-from-second-khushab-reactor-cooling-towers-pakistan-may-be-op/12
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ISIS: Commercial Satellite Imagery Suggests Pakistan is Building a Second, Much Larger Plutonium Production Reactor: Is South Asia Headed for a Dramatic Buildup in Nuclear Arsenals?
http://www.cfr.org/publication/11578/isis.html
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So what we are seeing here is a really massive expansion of Pakistan's plutonium production programme. And the issue here is that Pakistan does not really need a new reactor as it has a unranium enrichment programme and a plutonium production programme," said Paul Brannan, Senior Analyst, ISIS, Washington, DC.
http://www.ndtv.com/news/world/pakistan-operating-second-nuclear-reactor-18421.php
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DANNY

10:14 PM ET

March 26, 2010

Does it make sense giving Pakistan any more free $$$s or arms or

Pakistan Is Rapidly Adding Nuclear Arms, U.S. Says
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/05/18/world/asia/18nuke.html?_r=1
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Pakistan rapidly ramping up India-specific nuclear arsenal
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/news/india/Pakistan-rapidly-ramping-up-India-specific-nuclear-arsenal/articleshow/4961056.cms
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Headley names 6 Pak armymen in Karachi Project
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Headley-names-6-Pak-armymen-in-Karachi-Project/articleshow/5729496.cms
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Does it make sense giving Pakistan any more free $$$s or arms or nukes?
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Nothing is free .. all US taxpayer's money .. used to kill innocents ..

 

NZ

11:33 PM ET

March 28, 2010

nuke

-China has history of nuclear of being a nuclear proflifreation ,but it allowes purchases nuclear tech.Biase to prevent Pak on that bases.
-The transfer of nuclear technology has already gone to pakistan including civillian tech by FR .This already a breach of NPT.Might aswell get full nuke deal.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/8052587.stm

-Tranfers of nuclear security tech from U.S has already began since 9/11this is a breACH OF NPT
-India largest demo is funny where is it in Kashmir the promise kashmir people a plebscite then abonded it ,WHY IS THE WORLD SO CALLED LARGEST DEMOCRACY SO SCARD OF A DEMOCRATIC PLEBESCITE
by democratic election in Kashmir.so is india the world largest hypocrsy instead
-http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/1766582.stm.

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-Obiviously Pakistan has to increase increase it stock pile of nuclear weapons to have mutually assured destructions with india ,due to defensive reasons( that it has more nukes than india and is still increasing .pak needs more nuke to assure destruction of its bigger nieghbour pop of 175 mil while india has pop of india is 1.1 bil
But u.S government still signed 7.5 billion aid bill to pak ,do you know why they dont care (even with media ,politicians speaking out etc ) .also they can;t stop pak from aquiring more nukes .even in the nation economic crisis

- http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE6103AW20100201

http://sify.com/news/obama-seeks-3-1-bn-aid-for-pakistan-to-defeat-al-qaeda-news-international-kccaufidfei.html

Pak should get nuke deal