I wonder when we will see peace finally? It's amazing how these people just vivme in conflict and many of them caused by an extremely backward and outdated mentality.

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I'll support anything that works, but as long as the elites of Jewish Israel are primarily committed to the idea of a 'Jewish' Israel then they're doomed to failure. If they want a Jewish Israel they'll need to give up a large amount of land that they're unwilling to or they need to somehow dramatically increase Jewish demographics*.

*Why am I reminded of the British argument that women must marry and have children 'For the Empire!'?

The author needs to look at the tumultuous Judea-Islam relationship for past 1400 years, where Jews had lived throughout Arab & Islamic countries on the same "bi-national" format, where they were the minorities. Subjugated to discriminations, dhimmi and unfair taxes.

It was tried not only in one state, but 57 states. As mentioned above, not 62 years, but 1375 years. All had failed. So why this author thinks, knowing full well that, in 10 years, Jews will (again) be the minority in their own country, and certain to go back to same failed conditions, will agree to so called "bi National" crap

No Jew in his right mind will accept such paradigm

Best solution is 3 state solution.
State of Palestine - West Bank
State Gaza - Gaza
Israel

If you ask me we need to seperate the populations completly, the palestinians should not be in Friction with settlers or the IDF, that is the first step.

We seperated from gaza and look what happened, they had a chance to show the world how they can make a state and bring a better life and future to the region, but they chose to buy missiles and weapons and attack Israel for no reason.
Ironiacally the only reason the hamas didn't take over in the west bank is because of IDC presence.

Israel should do this(withdraw nad seperate itself) unilatterally with or without an agreement. Then we need to show good will on both sides, there should be massive investment into building institutions and schools in the west bank and gaza, ones that teach tolerance and not praisal of the Shahid and struggle, this will all be done under the supervision of the international community. If there will be no terror Israel will be willing to make concessions in accordance with camp david maybe even more for real peace, the refugees will get money and the right of return to palestine not israel.

I think after a generation or so of being seperated and raising the quality of life for both people we can start talking about real peace, first coexistance than peace.

The palestinians must stop all terror from gaza and the fatach and hamas must be united, all palestinians must be united otherwise there will be three states not two, and unfortunately that seems to be the case.
Jerusalem is a problem because of the proximity of the neighborhoods but we will find a creative solution.

we need brave leaders on both sides who are willing to take risks with the backing of the international community and the arab world should take a big part of making peace for the palestinians.

This is all nice in theory and I think that we should seperate as a first step before anything and if israel will be attacked after it withdraws there will be harsh consequences for the attackers, this is a process which will take 20 years and not 2 year slike obama wants and we have to make the conflice smaller and smaller untill we can reach peace, but who knows, hopefully the palestinians will realize that violence will not get them anywhere and Israelis for the most part know and are willing to give up a lot for real peace

The Israelis withdrew, but maintained a blockade of Gaza, with the collusion of Mubarak (Cooties Be Unto Him). Denied access to the world, the Gazans were expected to die quietly? If Jews were in a similar situation anywhere in the world, can you imagine the outcry?

The question is, "If Israel intends to ever live in peace with its neighbors, would it be doing now?"

Peace, Shalom, Salam, Paix, M61P....

For your information there was no blockade on Gaza whatsoever while there were no attacks on the passages, once they started attcking the passages we closed them for any goods besides humanatarian needs such as food medicine and basic supplies, why should we give more than that to those who attck us and want us dead, we disengaged from gaza unilaterally to the full international boarder, why would they attck us why, 8000 missiles, And suppose we give gaza anything they want, they are smuggeling weapons and are arming to go to war against us, we will not blockade or fie anything back if they do not attck us.

they had the chance for a fresh start make a better future and show the world they can rule themselves and move forword instead they chose to buy weapons and be sponsored by Iran, the blame is on them

...not much I can add...there will be no peace...like every people(governments) there are rogues who gain control..I don't think the Jews are the problem any more that the Palestinians are the problem...the situation is simply greed, controlled by a rogue government (Israel) and rogue entities in the Palestinian Organization. These people will never go away, there is too much at stake...MONEY and POWER are the drug(s) of dictators...

I have met, and have friends form both Israel and Palestine. I find both warm and open people...the real problem is the rogue elements on both sides...I think if the "people" take control of their affairs the violence will stop...and a vague hope of peace may prevail...but the destruction of the governments of both entities need to be dismantles and rebuild with the idea that people are people and there are no "chosen" people anywhere...the very idea of being "chosen" is in itself a basis for a great deal of the violence and unwillingness to think clearly without the insane attitude of "I'm special, and everyone else is less..."

...not much I can add...there will be no peace...like every people(governments) there are rogues who gain control..I don't think the Jews are the problem any more that the Palestinians are the problem...the situation is simply greed, controlled by a rogue government (Israel) and rogue entities in the Palestinian Organization. These people will never go away, there is too much at stake...MONEY and POWER are the drug(s) of dictators...

I have met, and have friends form both Israel and Palestine. I find both warm and open people...the real problem is the rogue elements on both sides...I think if the "people" take control of their affairs the violence will stop...and a vague hope of peace may prevail...but the destruction of the governments of both entities need to be dismantles and rebuild with the idea that people are people and there are no "chosen" people anywhere...the very idea of being "chosen" is in itself a basis for a great deal of the violence and unwillingness to think clearly without the insane attitude of "I'm special, and everyone else is less..."

http://www.csmonitor.com/2007/0914/p09s01-coop.html

Palestine: democracy not Zionism

A decent two-state solution to the 'Palestinian problem' has become impossible.

By John V. Whitbeck / September 14, 2007
Jeddah, saudi arabia

With some sort of "meeting" or "conference" to kick start the peace process now being touted by the Bush administration, there is at least the appearance of an understanding in Washington of the importance for the region and the world of solving the "Palestinian problem."

However, if this problem is ever to be solved, it must be redefined. Those who truly seek justice and peace in the Middle East must dare to speak openly and honestly of the "Zionism problem" – and then to draw the moral, ethical, and practical conclusions that follow.

When South Africa was under a racial-supremacist, settler-colonial regime, the world recognized that the problem was the ideology and political system of the state. Anyone outside the country who referred to the "black problem" or the "native problem" (or, for that matter, to the "white problem") would instantly have been branded a racist.

The world also recognized that the solution to that problem could not be found either in "separation" (apartheid in Afrikaans) and scattered native reservations (called "independent states" by the South African regime and Bantustans by the rest of the world) or in driving the settler-colonial group in power into the sea. Rather, the solution had to be found – and to almost universal satisfaction was found – in democracy, in white South Africans growing out of their racial-supremacist ideology and political system and accepting that their interests and their children's futures would be best served in a democratic, non-racist state with equal rights for all who live there.

The solution for the land which, until it was literally wiped off the map in 1948, was called Palestine is the same. It can only be democracy.

The ever-receding "political horizon" for a decent two-state solution, which, on the ground, becomes less practical with each passing year of expanding settlements, bypass roads, and walls, is weighed down by a multitude of excruciatingly difficult "final status" issues. Israeli governments have consistently refused to discuss these final-status issues seriously, preferring to postpone them to the end of a road which is never reached – and which, almost certainly, is intended never to be reached.

Just as marriage is vastly less complicated than divorce, democracy is vastly less complicated than partition. A democratic post-Zionist solution would not require any borders to be agreed, any division of Jerusalem, anyone to move from his current home, or any assets to be evaluated and apportioned. Full rights of citizenship would simply be extended to all the surviving natives still living in the country, as happened in the United States in the early 20th century and in South Africa in the late 20th century.

The obstacle to such a simple – and morally unimpeachable – solution is, of course, intellectual and psychological. Traumatized by the Holocaust and perceived insecurity as a Jewish island in an Arab sea, Israelis have immense psychological problems in coming to grips with the practical impossibility of sustaining forever what most of mankind views as a racial-supremacist, settler-colonial regime founded upon the ethnic cleansing of an indigenous population.

Indeed, Israelis have placed themselves in a virtually impossible situation. To taste its bitter essence, Americans might try to imagine what life in their country would be like if the European settlers had not virtually exterminated the indigenous population and if almost half of today's American population were Indians, without basic human rights, impoverished, smoldering with resentment, and visible every day as the inescapable living evidence of the injustice inflicted on their ancestors.

This would not be a pleasant society in which to live. Both colonizers and colonized would be progressively degraded and dehumanized. The colonizers could, rationally, conclude that they could never be forgiven by those they had dispossessed and that no "solution" was imaginable. So it has been, and continues to be, in the lands under Israeli rule.

Perhaps the coming "meeting" or "conference" will be the last gasp of the fruitless pursuit of a separation-based solution. Perhaps those who care about justice and peace and believe in democracy can then find ways to stimulate Israelis to move beyond Zionist ideology toward a more humane, hopeful, and democratic view of present realities and future possibilities.

No one would suggest that the moral, ethical, and intellectual transformation necessary to achieve a decent one-state solution will be easy. However, more and more people now recognize that a decent two-state solution has become impossible.

It is surely time for concerned people everywhere – and particularly for Americans – to imagine a better way, to encourage Israelis to imagine a better way, and to help both Israelis and Palestinians to achieve it. It is surely time to seriously consider democracy and to give it a chance.

• John V. Whitbeck, an international lawyer who has advised the Palestinian negotiating team in negotiations with Israel, is author of "The World According to Whitbeck."

Dmitry, you didn't do a very thorough search for One State articles. Here are two collections that might interest you and your readers.

http://sites.google.com/site/onedemocraticstatesite/archives/articles-advocating-one-state

[There are large gaps, including recent articles, because there were getting to be so many that I stopped posting the links. However, the trend is obvious and exponential.]

http://oss.internetactivist.org/PUOSA.html

Roger Tucker
http://onestate.info

Definitely a kind of thinking on the issue that I don't come across very often. Perhaps my own fault, perhaps not, but the notion that a good deal of resistance comes from completely different perceptions of the time frame of the conflict is intriguing.

Personally I suspect that a federalised one state solution will end up being the only way to go, but I'm very aware that I could learn a lot more about the Israel-Palestine conflict than I currently know.

against your God and/or your People, this conflict isn't going anywhere.

If one side sees you as a Munafiq, or the other side as a Boged you can't get anything meaningful accomplished.

Everything else is irrelevant and empty talk, unless this most central understanding is addressed.

This article must be an April Fools joke.

Those who truly seek justice and peace in the Middle East must dare to speak openly and honestly of the "Zionism problem" – and then to draw the moral, ethical, and practical conclusions that follow.

When South Africa was under a racial-supremacist, settler-colonial regime, the world recognized that the problem was the ideology and political system of the state. Anyone outside the country who referred to the "black problem" or the "native problem" (or, for that matter, to the "white problem") would instantly have been branded a racist.

The world also recognized that the solution to that problem could not be found either in "separation" (apartheid in Afrikaans) and scattered native reservations (called "independent states" by the South African regime and Bantustans by the rest of the world) or in driving the settler-colonial group in power into the sea. Rather, the solution had to be found – and to almost universal satisfaction was found – in democracy, in white South Africans growing out of their racial-supremacist ideology and political system and accepting that their interests and their children's futures would be best served in a democratic, non-racist state with equal rights for all who live there.

The solution for the land which, until it was literally wiped off the map in 1948, was called Palestine is the same. It can only be democracy.

The ever-receding "political horizon" for a decent two-state solution, which, on the ground, becomes less practical with each passing year of expanding settlements, bypass roads, and walls, is weighed down by a multitude of excruciatingly difficult "final status" issues. Israeli governments have consistently refused to discuss these final-status issues seriously, preferring to postpone them to the end of a road which is never reached – and which, almost certainly, is intended never to be reached.

Just as marriage is vastly less complicated than divorce, democracy is vastly less complicated than partition. A democratic post-Zionist solution would not require any borders to be agreed, any division of Jerusalem, anyone to move from his current home, or any assets to be evaluated and apportioned. Full rights of citizenship would simply be extended to all the surviving natives still living in the country, as happened in the United States in the early 20th century and in South Africa in the late 20th century.

The obstacle to such a simple – and morally unimpeachable – solution is, of course, intellectual and psychological. Traumatized by the Holocaust and perceived insecurity as a Jewish island in an Arab sea, Israelis have immense psychological problems in coming to grips with the practical impossibility of sustaining forever what most of mankind views as a racial-supremacist, settler-colonial regime founded upon the ethnic cleansing of an indigenous population.

Indeed, Israelis have placed themselves in a virtually impossible situation. To taste its bitter essence, Americans might try to imagine what life in their country would be like if the European settlers had not virtually exterminated the indigenous population and if almost half of today's American population were Indians, without basic human rights, impoverished, smoldering with resentment, and visible every day as the inescapable living evidence of the injustice inflicted on their ancestors.

This would not be a pleasant society in which to live. Both colonizers and colonized would be progressively degraded and dehumanized. The colonizers could, rationally, conclude that they could never be forgiven by those they had dispossessed and that no "solution" was imaginable. So it has been, and continues to be, in the lands under Israeli rule.

Perhaps the coming "meeting" or "conference" will be the last gasp of the fruitless pursuit of a separation-based solution. Perhaps those who care about justice and peace and believe in democracy can then find ways to stimulate Israelis to move beyond Zionist ideology toward a more humane, hopeful, and democratic view of present realities and future possibilities.

No one would suggest that the moral, ethical, and intellectual transformation necessary to achieve a decent one-state solution will be easy. However, more and more people now recognize that a decent two-state solution has become impossible.

It is surely time for concerned people everywhere – and particularly for Americans – to imagine a better way, to encourage Israelis to imagine a better way, and to help both Israelis and Palestinians to achieve it. It is surely time to seriously consider democracy and to give it a chance.

One state, two states; old people talking while children are deprived of their childhood and adolescence. Imagine you are a 15 year old Palestinian whose school was levelled fourteen months ago, what kind of existence have you endured since you took your first steps, and what lies before you today?

A space must be made for the Palestinians; they must have land, water and security, a space where the world can help them with more than blood donations and humanitarian aid. It should be a priority for the UN. The rest is fiddling and footering while a time bomb ticks away.

It's just like the illegal immigration of Mexicans to the U.S. The arabs want a better life for themselves and their families, which they can't get in their own countries. So they want to go to Israel for its paved roads, working government and judicial system, indoor plumbing, jobs.

But the arabs have 99.99% of the middle east. Isn't that enough for them?

Leave Israel alone.

"If Israel suddenly or gradually got a lot more arab citizens, wouldn't they naturally do the apartheid more intensely?"

Not if US taxpayers don't underwrite settlements and Israeli military to the tune of $4B per year or about 10 million US dollars per day.

If we cut off support to the Apartheid zionists, they will heel. We are the only reason they can run their Apartheid.

Right wing militant zionists are less than 1% of the US population but they sure have taken a lot of our $$$$$$$$ and sent them to Israel.

Plus a lot of US soldiers die becuase of the fact that we support these douchebags:

http://thehill.com/special-reports/homeland-security-january-2010/75531-when-troops-and-cia-officers-die-for-a-fantasy

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