"The Chinese have historically suffered at the hands of westernized European nations for the past two hundred years."

Whiny, highly selective, outdated drivel that sublimely avoids mentioning the 65 billion dollars in developmental projects currently being carried out in China mostly by Western donors and agents. And the Japaese contribution of 30 billion over the last 40 years is also all for naught then, right?

Please see this, all 287 pages of it, for illumination: http://www.aiddata.org/search/results;jsessionid=AD7DDD35E5B2F36622CDAB8BC6D31CBF?recipients=49&keywordSearch=

Those foreign devils were then and are doing now harmful things like providing water treatment, road building, primary school construction, medical assistance, environmental recovery--all things one would think the PRC should be doing for its own people. Or is this just "supplemental"?

200 years ago *two* imperial trajectories came into conflict. China was then an over-extended mercantilist empire that intermittantly outlawed and punished foreign trade unless it occured only under terms favorable to the emperor, who merely asked that all other people kneel before him and acknowledge his supremacy. Sadly enough, little of this political arrangement and presumptiveness has changed in modern China, which has, however, mercifully cast its own imperialism in the cloak of historical victimhood. What a moral stand that is for the PRC people.

But don't let the fact that the US built BOTH China's best University (its first) and best Hospital (XieHe) stop you from groveling before China's hoary imperial self-identification.

“Knowing that the above is taught only in China, it makes sense that lecturing the Chinese on morality is a pep rally for the west. Westerners are making a big mistake, however. Don't expect China to forget the history between the east and the west that is seemingly white washed out of western and Japanese textbooks.”

Knowing that the above is taught only in China (while information on foreign aid projects in China is not), please forgive your monolithic West for believing it is largely the product of a delusional malice motivated by the PRC's inability to explain otherwise its own catastrophic errors in foreign and domestic policy as well as China's ongoing political backwardness. The CIA wanted to arm the PLA in WWII but was denied by Jiang JieShi. America's "intervention" in China's civil war immediately after the conclusion of WWII amounted to no more than transporting the official Chinese government's soldiers to recover territories from surrendering Japanese forces, a thankless task for which US soldiers were attacked and killed by PLA forces in AnHui province.

As for Taiwan, prior to the Korean War President Truman made the following declaration: "The United States has no desire to obtain special rights or privileges or to establish military bases on Formosa at this time. Nor does it have any intention of utilizing its armed forces to interfere in the present situation. The United States Government will not pursue a course which will lead to involvement in the civil conflict in China. Similarly, the United States Government will not provide miliary aid or advice to Chinese forces on Formosa." If Mao didn't want the US navy in the Straits, he probably shouldn't have carried his preposterous ideological struggle into Korea, when the true divide between China and the US began.

I guess when the West establishes departments to write "the official history" of the past dynasty, as China has done throughout its imperial existence up until the present day (the PRC government announced the official history of the Qing is currently in the works!), I'll start taking your accusations of "white washing" seriously.

Surely then we can display similar amusement at the PRC's dramatic reenactment Aristophanes' government of Birds, wherein avian intermediaries promise to do a better job than the deities have, and so seek to replace them:

"So elect us [ooops] as your gods and we, in turn, shall be your weathervane and Muse, your priests of prophecy, fortelling all, winter, summer, spring, and fall.

Furthermore, we promise we'll give mankind an honest deal. Unlike our smug opponent, Zeus, we'll stop corruption [yea China!] and abuse [Oh]. NO ABSENTEE ADMINISTRATION! NO PERMANENT VACATION IN THE CLOUDS [We're hard at work except when in the massage parlour--then we are thinking!]! And we promise to be scrupulously honest [as only "advanced natures"--???, or code for the Party, can be].

Last of all, we guarantee to every single soul on earth, his sons and their posterity: HEALTH, WEALTH, HAPPINESS, YOUTH, LONG LIFE, LAUGHTER, PEACE, DANCING [cue the minorities], and LOTS TO EAT!

We'll mince no words. Your lives shall be the milk of the Birds! [cue Mainland milk producers] We guarantee you'll all be revoltingly RICH! [yea DengXiaoPing!)\]"

It's all there in Aristophanes--submission to "guardians" in order to retreat from the complexities of democracy, the building of walls and everything.

Calls for Human Rights have nothing to do with divinity or religiousity, they are merely humane. But those who would seek to project divinity upon them so as to deride their common human element, and to replace that "wishful thinking" with a more pragmatic approach, often end up sounding like the Birds.

On that note, you do realize that Mainlanders still use the phrase "The Divine Land" (???to refer to China, right? A very popular book in China now, ?????, begins its call for China's "spiritual independence" by invoking "The Divine Land".

You're not going to scare me or anyone else with personal insults like whiny. The first word of your reply. Outstanding. It is difficult to reply to your post because every third line of your text contains sarcasm and hyperbole. China was one of WW2's few nations that were innocent nonbelligerents who were invaded because of another people's greed. The Japanese have yet to even admit to their massacre and widespread rape campaigns -- let alone be forgiven because of a few donations or private investments in China. You seem to put forward this mindset that foreign powers can rape and pillage the entire third world and then expect to be forgiven overnight after a few human development co-ops. Are you aware that there are families throughout China today that have witnessed the atrocities and rape camps created by the Japanese? Are they to set aside the fact that their brothers, sisters, and parents were brutally raped and murdered by the Japanese and acknowledge that the Japanese are the more humane people because of a handful of international investment programs? I was writing about the integrity of the western public's global perspective on westerners occupying the moral high-ground. Morality is inherently emotional. The government of Japan does not have integrity when they continue to refuse to admit to these atrocities, whitewash them out of history books, deny they took place, and claim to occupy the human rights moral highground with the Chinese below them. This is simply a moral truism in the mind of the Chinese and a handful of development co-ops aren't going to change this no matter how illogical you feel this fact to be. You can play the star spangled banner and talk about the Korean and Vietnam wars as well, as if America has any legitimate reason to impose its ideology on Asian governments... Too bad the American government failed at keeping Vietnam divided and preventing a democratically elected socialist government from gaining power, that turned out so bad for the Vietnamese -- those poor souls, they lost their right to be an imperial colony of France and the brave Americans tried so hard to give them their right of not having a democratically elected popular government. Mao's interest in Korea is legitimate. Korea is the neighbor of China. Why shouldn't Mao have been concerned with an anti-communist army on its boarder?

"You're not going to scare me or anyone else with personal insults like whiny."

Who's trying to scare you? Unless you have a curious stigmatism keeping you from properly modifying nouns, it should be obvious whiny applies to the drivel that continues to pour out of your fingertips; it can hardly be personal unless you can't keep yourself uttering preposterously oblique, deeply misinformed sentiments. But in the off-chance that you have such a case of scriptural Tourrett's, I'll state clearly that it's noting personal. Just don't presume you know something when it's glaringly clear you don't.

"You seem to put forward this mindset that foreign powers can rape and pillage the entire third world and then expect to be forgiven overnight after a few human development co-ops."

Care to point out where I "put forward this mindset"? The only nation to "rape and pillage" China in the past one hundred years was Japan, whom you absurdly claimed was "prompted" to invade by "the West". And despite the fact that the US and Britain fought side by side with the Chinese in that war, doing more to defeat the Japanese than the Chinese ever did, many Mainlanders remain perpetually hostile "the West" due to one or more of the following: 1) absurd attempts like yours to blame China's backwardness on the West rather than on an ossified political system that saw its people as wholly subject to the Emperor's divine will; 2) virulent strains of ethnic exceptionalism (revealing itself in the "Minzuzhuyi" of pre-revolutionary political action); 3) indoctrination in the absence of a free media; 4) an adolescent inability to accept criticism; 5) historical illiteracy. The Chinese had an empire, too (and yes, they extended the boundaries of that empire over indigenous peoples). Two sets of empires came into conflict hundreds of years ago. Who the f*ck cares? You think that's more important than building primary schools now? Providing people with clean water? Many nations in the world (particularly in Africa) have a bit of a right to carry a post-colonial chip on their shoulder, even if it is ugly and at times deceitful. China doesn't doesn't even have that right. China does still revel in deceit, though.

"Are you aware that there are families throughout China today that have witnessed the atrocities and rape camps created by the Japanese? "

What decade are you living in, man? There are possibly whole familes that can recall the brutality, lynchings, and terror of the post-revolutionary years (when Mao was responsible for more Chinese deaths than the Japanese), but far fewer people alive who experienced WWII (perhaps a grandma or grandpa in the family). The hatred and animosity felt toward the Japanese is largely pseudo-atavistic, draped over the shoulders of young people who never really had any conflict (or contact, even) with the Japanese, but who would if the ignorant and/or Chinese government could make it so. Try not to pick up other people's grievances to use them as your own. It just diminishes what they suffered, and makes you appear both cynical and opportunistic. Or just a typical Mainlander.

"Are they to set aside the fact that their brothers, sisters, and parents were brutally raped and murdered by the Japanese and acknowledge that the Japanese are the more humane people because of a handful of international investment programs?"

Dude. The people doing the aggressive hating aren’t the 80-year olds, so it’s not their brothers, sisters, and parents. The last anti-Japanese riot in China (in 2005) was all conducted by 20 somethings and college students. These people might acknowledge that over 98% of the people alive in Japan today were born *after* WWII. Do you know any Japanese who grew up during the 50s? Do you know what it was like for a little girl to search for enough rice for her family in the torched and bombed-out rumble that America made of Japanese cities? You really want to hate on those people? I guess they do. Still, they took the money. And then got angry and repudiated the Japanese when the money- flow ended.

"The government of Japan does not have integrity when they continue to refuse to admit to these atrocities, whitewash them out of history books, deny they took place, and claim to occupy the human rights moral highground with the Chinese below them."

Except, contrary to what the Mainlanders surely treat as unquestioned fact, the Japanese government doesn’t precisely do those things. The last battle about history books was over the issue of the Japanese using the term “occupation” rather than “invasion” (one would think the former presumed the latter, but that wasn’t enough for the PRC). This textbook was used by less than 1% of all schools in Japan (where schools can choose from a range of textbooks) at the time, and no other textbook was objected to or protested. For this the Mainlanders attacked Japanese people and businesses on the mainland.

"This is simply a moral truism in the mind of the Chinese and a handful of development co-ops aren't going to change this no matter how illogical you feel this fact to be."

That’s right, because truisms usually turn out to be true in the end. And that’s all the depth that defines Mainland arrogance. Please then, stop taking other people's money.

I like looking at these statements at the same time.

"as if America has any legitimate reason to impose its ideology on Asian governments.."

" Mao's interest in Korea is legitimate. Korea is the neighbor of China. Why shouldn't Mao have been concerned with an anti-communist army on its boarder?"

I'm afraid this certainly outs you as a blindly loyal Chinese, if nothing else you've written did up till now. I suppose one can look at these two sentences and speculate how ethnic loyalty is the lazy eye on the unblemished face of humanity.

In Chinese culture, that odd grandmother that babbles about the Japanese rape camps and murder of her brothers, sisters, and parents? She's the head of the family. Every family. Why don't you speak to some Chinese about their feelings of Mao? Its openly talked about that Mao made mistakes in China. There is no secret there.

The modern day west does not act outside the confines of sell interest in Asia. If they happen to have a common profitable interest with the Chinese, it doesn't heal overnight their historical distaste for the west that stems from wounds created by the two opium wars, the franco-sino war, and the two sino-Japanese wars. No amount of baseless insults are going to change this fact.

Really, how should the Chinese teach history in your opinion? Should they pretend these barbaric wars never took place? To answer one of your questions, Japanese attacks on China were partially a result of the weakening of China created by years of wars with the French, English, and Americans. Wars with the west that you seem to feel were justified on behalf of the west because the west was powerful enough to enslave the planet at that particular point in history. Also, take note, none of these wars were hundreds of years ago and this is why the political affects of their influence on the collective minds of the Chinese are still felt today. Justice was never given to the Chinese. They never had their Nuremberg trials where they hung the European naval officers. All they have is a memory and recollection that these historical events are real, took place, and that the west is a hypocritical racket when they lecture the Chinese on being humane. You literally overlook all of this by saying, and I quote, "Who the f*ck cares?" To answer your question: the Chinese and anyone who is trying to be honest in their analysis and interpretation of the modern perspective that the Chinese hold.

It is difficult to address what you write because it is vague and not specific enough. Historical illiteracy? How many Americans even know that their country was at one time involved in a war with China over the right to smuggle narcotics into China and sell them to the public? I'd love to see the results of that poll.

To answer some of your listed items…
(2.) Every country has a sense of their own exceptionalism. Feeling your country is exceptional is a pre-requisite to taking political office in just about any country.
(3.) What country produces citizens that aren't indoctrinated? I've listened to many a childhood lecture on how great the slave-raping, indian-exterminating, and election-rigging American founding fathers were.

Africa is still an ongoing victim of imperialism. Even the policies that are supposed to help Africa end up getting exposed as imperialism in disguise.

What are you talking about? What did I say about Japan?

Now I get what you were doing. The title and the body were two different things. Sorry.

With respect, you are not talking about Human Rights with a capital “H” and a capital “R”. You are instead evoking a catchphrase, veiled in which the US seeks to disrupt the stability of China, Russia, Iran, and myriad other nations in pursuit of hegemony and simple commercial advantage. If the US were that dedicated to Human Rights, we would see intervention in Zimbabwe and Israel. Today the words “Democracy” and “Human Rights” are uttered by the beribboned elite in hushed and reverential tones, accompanied by a freezing of the features and an all but imperceptible lowering of the head, while the drones drone and the blood flows. There is nothing “wrong” with seeking objectives that way; the Spaniards did it in South America under the cross of Christ. The problem is that in an increasingly interconnected world it becomes less and less easy to fool all the people even some of the time.