How Do You Say "Frenemy" in Turkish?

Meet America's new rival in the Middle East.

BY STEVEN A. COOK | JUNE 1, 2010

Recently, my colleague and good friend, Charles Kupchan, published a book called How Enemies Become Friends. In it, he argues that diplomatic engagement is decisive in transforming relations between adversaries. It is an interesting read, and the book has received some terrific reviews. Charlie might want to follow up with a new book called How Friends Become Frenemies. He can use the United States and Turkey as his primary case study.

It is hard to admit, but after six decades of strategic cooperation, Turkey and the United States are becoming strategic competitors -- especially in the Middle East. This is the logical result of profound shifts in Turkish foreign and domestic politics and changes in the international system.

This reality has been driven home by Turkey's angry response to Israel's interdiction of the Istanbul-organized flotilla of ships that tried Monday to break the Israeli blockade of Gaza. After Israel's attempts to halt the vessels resulted in the deaths of at least nine activists, Turkish Foreign Minister Ahmet Davutoglu referred to Israel's actions as "murder conducted by a state." The Turkish government also spearheaded efforts at the U.N. Security Council to issue a harsh rebuke of Israel.

Monday's events might prove a wake-up call for the U.S. foreign-policy establishment. Among the small group of Turkey watchers inside the Beltway, nostalgia rules the day. U.S. officialdom yearns to return to a brief moment in history when Washington and Ankara's security interests were aligned, due to the shared threat posed by the Soviet Union. Returning to the halcyon days of the U.S.-Turkish relationship, however, is increasingly untenable.

This revelation comes despite the hopes of U.S. President Barack Obama, whose inauguration was greeted with a sigh of relief along both the Potomac and the Bosphorus. Officials in both countries hoped that the Obama administration's international approach, which emphasized diplomatic engagement, multilateralism, and regional stability, would mesh nicely with that of Turkey's ruling Justice and Development Party. The White House made it clear from the beginning that Turkey was a priority for Obama, who raised the idea of a "model partnership" between the two countries. Turkey, the theory went, had a set of attributes and assets that it could bring to bear to help the United States achieve its interests in the Middle East, Central Asia, and the Caucasus. Naturally, as a longtime U.S. ally, Turkey was thought to share America's interests in these regions. That was the thinking, anyway.

A little more than a year after Obama addressed the Turkish Grand National Assembly, Washington seems caught between its attempts to advance this model partnership, and recognition of the reality that Ankara has moved on. This desire to restore close relations with Turkey is partially based on a rose-tinted view of the alliance's glory days; even then, the relationship was often quite difficult, buffeted by Turkey's troubled relations with Greece, Ankara's invasion of Cyprus, and the Armenian-American community's calls for recognition of the 1915 massacres as genocide. Back then, Turkey was a fractious junior partner in the global chess game with the Soviets. Today, Turkey is all grown up, sporting the 16th largest economy in the world, and is coming into its own diplomatically.

Nowhere is Turkey asserting itself more than in the Middle East, where it has gone from a tepid observer to an influential player in eight short years. In the abstract, Washington and Ankara do share the same goals: peace between Israel and the Palestinians; a stable, unified Iraq; an Iran without nuclear weapons; stability in Afghanistan; and a Western-oriented Syria. When you get down to details, however, Washington and Ankara are on the opposite ends of virtually all these issues.

For the first time in its history, Ankara has chosen sides in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, demanding that Israel take steps to ease the blockade of Gaza or risk unspecified "consequences." Well before the recent crisis, the Turks had positioned themselves as thinly veiled advocates for Hamas, which has long been on the U.S. State Department's list of terrorist organizations. In public statements, Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan has compared Turkey's Islamists and Hamas. Implicit in these declarations is a parallel to Erdogan's own Justice and Development Party, whose predecessors were repeatedly banned from politics.

This parallel is rather odd. Turkey's Islamists always sought to process their grievances peacefully, while the Islamic Resistance Movement -- Hamas's actual name -- has a history of violence. Ankara's warm embrace of Hamas has not only angered the Israelis, but other U.S. regional allies including Egypt, the Palestinian Authority, and Saudi Arabia.

Even in Afghanistan, there's less to Turkey's vaunted cooperation than meets the eye. Turkey was the first ally to offer troops to U.S. efforts there in 2001, and more recently, it has doubled its contingent of soldiers to almost 1,700. However, Ankara has consistently -- like other NATO allies -- refused to throw these forces into the fight, even after the Obama administration's entreaties to do more as part of the Afghan "surge."

Ankara also took a lot of heat from George W. Bush's administration for its good relations with the Syrian regime, though the United States eventually reconciled itself to the logic of Turkey's interests in its southern neighbor. Turkey sees its ties with Syria as a hedge against Kurdish nationalism, believing that brisk cross-border trade will make everyone -- Turks, Kurds, and Syrians -- richer, happier, and less suspicious of one another. The close diplomatic ties have an added benefit for Washington: They give Syrian President Bashar al-Assad someone to talk to other than Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad and Hezbollah Secretary-General Hassan Nasrallah.

ADEM ALTAN/AFP/Getty Images

 SUBJECTS: MIDDLE EAST
 

Steven A. Cook is the Hasib J. Sabbagh senior fellow for Middle Eastern studies at the Council on Foreign Relations.

DW79

7:59 PM ET

June 1, 2010

Genocide

Does this mean we can finally call the Armenian Genocide a genocide and not an "unfortunate incident without worrying about offending our "ally? "

 

MCDRUID

3:31 AM ET

June 2, 2010

Israel's best friend in the ME

Mr. Cook says it was an "Istanbul-organized flotilla" even though only one of the nine ships came from Turkey. Previous flotillas embarked from Greek Cyprus, so I am rather dubious of his unsupported claim, especially since the ship was chartered by a NGO. Or perhaps everything that has a Turkish name on it is a plot by the Turkish government.

Also, just three months ago, Turkey allowed IDF planes to overfly the country apparently in support of an assassination in Hungary. And the attack on the Syrian nuclear facility was conducted by Israeli jets coming through Turkey. The Turks have only admitted to allowing the former and not the latter. But the IDF jets would have had to fly right over the NATO airbase at Incerlik to get to Syria, so you can bet that the Turks knew about it.

Tell me again how Turkey has turned against Israel?

 

JEBAL NABLUSP

7:00 AM ET

June 2, 2010

The other Genocide

... As long as the rest of the world will also recognise the genocide of the Native Americans...

 

HAZZA9

9:29 AM ET

June 2, 2010

By supporting justice in

By supporting justice in Gaza.
Turkey should turn a blind eye like the U.S and allow the rape of Gaza to continue.

 

DW79

2:03 PM ET

June 2, 2010

Ironic

You have put yourself in a rather embarrassing predicament. You are talking to somebody of Native American descent. To be specific, I am of Cherokee descent. I won't go into the treatment of the Cherokee people here; you can go on Wikipedia and read all about the foul treatment of the Cherokee people yourself. The American government never indented nor carried out genocide against Native Americans. The American government's treatment of Native Americans was quite cruel, but it never amounted to genocide. The Turkish government's actions against the Armenians went far, far beyond that. More importantly, America takes responsibility for its cruelty, which Turkey has never done. So carry on making excuses for Turkey’s shameful past.

 

YURTTASH

12:04 AM ET

June 3, 2010

No we still can not call the

No we still can not call the "PseudoGenocide" a genocide, since it was not a genocide...

 

YURTTASH

12:29 AM ET

June 3, 2010

More Ironic

You have also put yourself in a rather embarrassing predicament. First, did you eyewitness the “Turkish Government”’s actions against Armenian’s going far? Second, you are accusing a “Turkish government” which did not exist at that time. Third, the massacres against Armenian’s were carried out by Kurds, not by Turks, since the eastern parts of Anatolia were shared by Kurds and Armenians, but Turks. You don’t know the basics of History. Your arguments are too shallow and narrow. You must have read an Armenian fairy tale.

Watch and learn…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qG70UWESfu4

 

DIKE

3:07 PM ET

June 3, 2010

genocide?

Professor Bernard Lewis of Princeton University:
"The point that was being made was that the massacre of the Armenians in the Ottoman Empire was the same as what happened to Jews in Nazi Germany and that is a downright falsehood. What happened to the Armenians was the result of a massive Armenian armed rebellion against the Turks, which began even before war broke out, and continued on a larger scale."

If you dont belive Prof.Lewis take a look at the first Armenian PMs confessions;
‘… The war with us was inevitable... We had not done all that was necessary for us to have done to evade war. We ought to have used peaceful language with the Turks...We had no information about the real strength of the Turks and relied on ours. This was the fundamental error. We were not afraid of war because we thought we could win... Our army was well fed and well armed and [clothed] but it did not fight. The troops were constantly retreating and deserting their positions ; they threw away their arms and dispersed in the villages. ...In spite of the fact that the Armenians had better material and better support, their armies lost. ..... the advancing Turks fought only against the regular soldiers ; they did not carry the battle to the civilian sector. ....the Turkish soldiers were well-disciplined and that there had not been any massacres…’

Source: The 1923 Bucharest Manifesto of Hovhannes Katchaznouni, the first PM of the Independent Armenian Republic, published by the Armenian Information Service Suite 7D, 471 Park Ave., New York 22 – 1955.

 

MAOSAYTONGUE

3:31 PM ET

June 3, 2010

You're absolutely right.

I can't believe how many lies the "writers" for this rag tell.

 

REDBOURN

3:37 PM ET

June 4, 2010

Turkey hasn't turned againt Israel but against the West/

Erdogan gets his support form Islamic fundamentalists and his wife is one.

Europe blocked Turkey from joining the EU which made it simpler to appeal to Turkey's religious base.

Turkey has elections next year and there is a growing chance that Erdogan can be unseated.

Since the Justice and Development Party (AKP), rooted in the country’s Islamist movement, came to power in 2002, Turkish politics has been mired in two, mutually perpetuating problems: the rise of an authoritarian AKP and the lack of an effective opposition to challenge this trend. Baykal’s replacement, Kemal Kilicdaroglu – a charismatic, moustache-sporting people’s man in the mold of AKP leader Recep Tayyip Erdogan – promises to fix the latter problem. Kilicdaroglu, a liberal, has already said he will take the CHP, the heir to social democratic politics in the country, back to the working and middle classes. If Kilicdaroglu can now also reinvent Kemalism, the founding ideology of modern Turkey and the CHP, making it attractive in the eyes of the Turkish people, he can even challenge the AKP in the forthcoming 2011 polls.

 

REDBOURN

3:40 PM ET

June 4, 2010

Thank you for saying things

Thank you for saying things that I didn't know, and that weren't most likely easy for you to say. Michael

 

ABBOTT

7:44 AM ET

June 5, 2010

Yes, the Turks only murdered 2 million Armenians in cold blood

And the minimum for "genocide" in 2,000,001.

 

SKIPPER

1:58 PM ET

June 7, 2010

Late on that.

Congress already called it a genocide. Unfortunately, the US differs between genocide and genocide. You see, the Palestinians have been beaten on for over sixty years. Ethnically cleansed, massacred, had their lands stolen, water stolen, all natural resources stolen, air, rights, killing of innocent women and children. The whole nine yards and then some. When israel falls, and will fall not due to war but demographics when apathied is at its max. Turkey, Persia will become the new powers in the middle east...

 

SOMD

4:35 PM ET

June 19, 2010

you dont want to say the truth

All our first world war archives are available.You and armenians who want to look at pseudogenocide they can look whenever they want.

 

HILLBILLY BRETT

9:54 PM ET

June 1, 2010

Frenemy is Arkadusman in Turkish

Everyone who knows Hamas knew what was going to happen with the flotilla - the exaggerated reports broke in the press as though they had already prepared a press statement. The resulting protest march in Gaza will have tens of thousands of people in the streets tomorrow. I've helped organize events before; it takes money and months to organize such things. The propaganda coming from the Arab World is so efficient - that I can only believe half of what's reported.

If you don't want to get shot on a boat: don't provoke a naval blockade, don't try to outrun the blockade, and don't use knives, pipes, firebombs stun grenades or throw the comando over the guard rail.

In this case, Israel had every legal right to do what it did.

Turkey and Germany are a little hasty in their rush to judgement... no war crime or terrorist act here.

 

HILLBILLY BRETT

11:19 PM ET

June 3, 2010

Peace Activists

Some of the most radical and confrotational people that I know are self proclamed "peace activists". Your letters are in your deeds - not in your title.

 

FP3

10:10 PM ET

June 1, 2010

Stupid Article

If Turkey is "all grown up" as Cook claims, then Israel is like Will Ferrell or John C Reilly from Step Brothers.
With that in mind, here's how American mediation between the Israelis and Palestinians should look: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aMnnI1DcMfk&feature=related

But seriously, this article is a lame attempt to present a false choice between Israel and Turkey. So let's indulge Cook...
Turkey's offers: troops in Afghanistan, attempts to end the blockade of Gaza and to reach a peaceful solution to the Iranian nuclear crisis, promotion of a nuclear-free Middle East, of stability in Iraq, and of peace between Israel and Syria. A model of a secular, Muslim democracy.
Israel's offers: to fund congressional and presidential campaigns, to sell our military technology to China (free of charge), to kill terrorists (WARNING: offer also includes killing anyone within 100 miles of a terrorist, outrage may vary).

 

LAL QILA

11:24 PM ET

June 1, 2010

The Rise of the Ottoman Empire and the Decline of the American

The Rise of the Ottoman Empire and the Decline of the American Silliness.

Time to grow up. Modern Turkey still has a sphere of influence far larger than the eye can see; has Russia forgotten its Soviet Union; of course not.

Erdogan is a shrewed politico. He is winning votes not just locally in Turkey but even among all its neighbours.

Now where was that pesky rat; what is its name Izra oil?

http://lalqila.wordpress.com/

 

HILLBILLY BRETT

12:18 AM ET

June 4, 2010

That's just wishful tinking on your part Qila

America isn't an empire and never was. American currency is the influencial part and that is a result of our geography:

We own our ports coast to coast... Atlantic and Pacific.
We have an established distribution systems of river rail and highway.
We have the population center of the Western Hempsphere.

If you want to do business with the western half of the planet - it makes sense to do business with the US markets.

 

MUSTNOTSLEEP14

1:15 AM ET

June 2, 2010

Great Article

As a US citizen, I applaud Turkey's actions. Unlike the US, who will back Israel to the hilt, despite its genocidal campaigns, we are seeing a new world order of responsible nations such as Brazil and Turkey. Obama, like Bush before him, has lost much of his credibility, and the US is fast shedding reputation by defending so blindly defending Israel. Israel is to the US what North Korea is to China. Eventually, we will have no say in Middle Eastern affairs unless we are willing to invade and hold territory and install a puppet regime.

Maybe someday, the US will grow up and force Israel to play by international law. Until then, I hope countries like Turkey and Brazil continue to call out the hypocritical relationship and work to weaken Israel politically.

 

DDSNAIK

9:02 AM ET

June 2, 2010

Agree, Mustnotsleep...

... and we do a fine job discrediting ourselves with our foreign policy's slavish devotion in regards to Israel, so there's no real need for parties from other countries to continue beating that drum. Turkey (and Brazil) are well within their right to pursue an independent stance and take action as they see fit, even if our "leaders" don't see the wisdom and merit in sharing the power baton. It will surely slip from our grasp at this rate, anyway.

I'm also disappointed in Obama saying all the right things (probably sincerely), then kowtowing to the status quo. Articulation finery aside, the favors owed and our political machinery such as it is has reduced another hope to business as usual.

You might as well sleep, since you won't likely miss any change in the prevailing political winds Stateside anytime in the near future. Sigh...

 

GPSADVOCATE

1:30 AM ET

June 2, 2010

Same old Biased FP articles

First of all, i completely agree with what MUSTNOTSLEEP14 said in his comments.

Secondly, i just love how FP is so pro-israel biased all the time. Even in the other article on FP titled: "U.S. and Israeli officials scramble to contain blowback from flotilla raid" Shows how biased it is.

So heres my opinion, Someone Born in Turkey, lived half my like in the US, US educated bachelors and MBA now living in turkey:

I try to look at events like these as objectively as possible. So when i look at this situation and recent events. First of all what matters now is the FACTS:

What facts do we need to know?

1- did passengers really shoot israeli soldiers first? (or is it just israel defending their petty act?)

2- Was there really weapons on the ship like israel claimed?(or was that just another defense mechanism?)

3- International waters means, you board that ship, your considered a pirate. maybe they should learn from the somalians, at least when the board they hold people hostage for ransom instead of killing them right away.

Oh and Mr.Cook, yeah maybe your right, Turkey and the US may be becoming frenemies, well thats NOT just because of Turkeys actions, why dont we consider how much the US defends israel?
Im sure in the "transparent" report of the investigation there will be a good deal of manipulation to make israel look better than they are.

In the end, instead of stating Turkeys actions (ie iran TRR, gaza flotilla, etc...)
why dont you write about what the US is NOT doing to help those processes and maybe thats why we are growing apart.

In addition, i think its Turkeys every right to want to grow economically, politically, and influentially in the middle east, dont you? i mean you did seize and occupy another country in another continent. at least Turkeys trying to grow in its own continent bud.

Mr. Cook, go get another job, honestly im sick and tired of the biased yet eloquently spoken articles here.

 

JUSSTUJOO

2:06 AM ET

June 2, 2010

what he said

what he said

 

COMMENTATOR

5:12 PM ET

June 2, 2010

Turkey

1. If Turkey is so worried about "occupied territory", let them first end their occupation of half of Cyprus, ruled illegal by both the UN and the EC.

2. The Turks historically are genocidal murderers. Armenians were first, and that may be practice for murdering Israelis next.

3. Israel and the Palestinians have a written agreement giving Israel control of waters off Gaza.

4. Under international law a ship which has announced its intention to run a blockade may be stopped before it leaves international waters and crosses the blockade line.

5. This was a provocation, not transfer of humanitarian aid. Israel had already agreed to transfer the humanitarian cargo via its port of Ashdod after inspection for weapons. The flotilla refused.

6. The ship DID carry weapons. Bulletproof vests, night vision goggles, iron bars and knives.

7. Israel did not attack first but boarded the ship as was its right. It also boarded all the other ships and they did not resist, and there was no resulting violence. Thus it must have been initiated by those on the ship, not the Israelis.

8. The Israelis were equipped with paintball guns, expecting to disperse a civilian protest crowd at worst. Instead they got violent resistance, which was life-threatening and responded in kind. The photos are incontrovertible. Where are the photos from the other side showing the Israelis boarding without resistance? Next time we may expect the Israelis to use non-lethal incapacitating techniques more suitable against armed resistance, including unconventional ones.

9. On inspecting the cargo at Ashdod, none of the humanitarian supplies were found to be in short supply in Gaza. The whole "humanitarian emergency" is a complete fiction. Israel and the UNRWA routinely ship tons of humanitarian goods to Gaza each week.

10. FP has been consistently hostile to Israel; only recently has there been more balance, a much-needed shift.

11. Now that the Turks have shown their intentions toward Israel it is no longer necessary to politely circumlocute about their genocidal history. They are, and have been a warlike people with traditional middle eastern disregard for the lives of innocent civilians. They are NOT European but middle eastern. I have visited Turkey as a friend by invitation of their government, and have no axe to grind here.

12. The fundamental problem of the Israelis is that they want peace, and their opponents want their destruction. This can never be resolved, only contained, and it requires strong security measures by Israel including the anti-terrorist wall, and vigorous enforcement of import controls into hostile territory to prevent weapons smuggling,.

13. The Gazans are irredentist terrorists and sympathizers. Even Arab Egypt is controlling its border against them--this is not about the Israelis but about the Palestinians whose hand is turned against everyone. They tried to overthrow the government of Kuwait and got kicked out; they tried to overthrow the government of Jordan and got kicked out; they tried to overthrow the government of Lebanon and got kicked out.

14. Arabs and Persians have been fighting each other for generations; nothing to do with Israel. There was Iran-Iraq, Iraq-Syria, Iraq-Kuwait, and many others through the sands of time.

15. Orthodox Islam has murdered Jews for thousands of years. Mohammed himself made a treaty (Hudna) with a Jewish tribe, the Qureishi, just long enough to gain strength enough to turn on them and murder them.

16. A fundamental principle of Islam is "Al Taqqiyya"--it is ok to lie to advance Islam. Thus we must discount most anti-Israel Arab propaganda, much of which has been proven false over time, only after it was believed and led to riots, etc.

17. Gaza is not some collection of people in camps. It has cities, high-rise buildings, fancy restaurants, wind-surfing and other amenities. The propaganda image is just that.

18. The solution to the Gaza problem is to transfer responsibility from the UNRWA, a handout agency keeping them permanently dependent, to UNHCR, a refugee resettlement agency that has handled vast numbers of refugees from other wars. Make no mistake; Gaza is the result of war, made by Arabs against Israel, and not some unmotivated "occupation", and right now, it is on its own, with security precautions by Israel against repeatedly proven terrorist murders of Israeli women and children. Any other State would do the same, or much worse.

 

COMMENTATOR

5:12 PM ET

June 2, 2010

Turkey

1. If Turkey is so worried about "occupied territory", let them first end their occupation of half of Cyprus, ruled illegal by both the UN and the EC.

2. The Turks historically are genocidal murderers. Armenians were first, and that may be practice for murdering Israelis next.

3. Israel and the Palestinians have a written agreement giving Israel control of waters off Gaza.

4. Under international law a ship which has announced its intention to run a blockade may be stopped before it leaves international waters and crosses the blockade line.

5. This was a provocation, not transfer of humanitarian aid. Israel had already agreed to transfer the humanitarian cargo via its port of Ashdod after inspection for weapons. The flotilla refused.

6. The ship DID carry weapons. Bulletproof vests, night vision goggles, iron bars and knives.

7. Israel did not attack first but boarded the ship as was its right. It also boarded all the other ships and they did not resist, and there was no resulting violence. Thus it must have been initiated by those on the ship, not the Israelis.

8. The Israelis were equipped with paintball guns, expecting to disperse a civilian protest crowd at worst. Instead they got violent resistance, which was life-threatening and responded in kind. The photos are incontrovertible. Where are the photos from the other side showing the Israelis boarding without resistance? Next time we may expect the Israelis to use non-lethal incapacitating techniques more suitable against armed resistance, including unconventional ones.

9. On inspecting the cargo at Ashdod, none of the humanitarian supplies were found to be in short supply in Gaza. The whole "humanitarian emergency" is a complete fiction. Israel and the UNRWA routinely ship tons of humanitarian goods to Gaza each week.

10. FP has been consistently hostile to Israel; only recently has there been more balance, a much-needed shift.

11. Now that the Turks have shown their intentions toward Israel it is no longer necessary to politely circumlocute about their genocidal history. They are, and have been a warlike people with traditional middle eastern disregard for the lives of innocent civilians. They are NOT European but middle eastern. I have visited Turkey as a friend by invitation of their government, and have no axe to grind here.

12. The fundamental problem of the Israelis is that they want peace, and their opponents want their destruction. This can never be resolved, only contained, and it requires strong security measures by Israel including the anti-terrorist wall, and vigorous enforcement of import controls into hostile territory to prevent weapons smuggling,.

13. The Gazans are irredentist terrorists and sympathizers. Even Arab Egypt is controlling its border against them--this is not about the Israelis but about the Palestinians whose hand is turned against everyone. They tried to overthrow the government of Kuwait and got kicked out; they tried to overthrow the government of Jordan and got kicked out; they tried to overthrow the government of Lebanon and got kicked out.

14. Arabs and Persians have been fighting each other for generations; nothing to do with Israel. There was Iran-Iraq, Iraq-Syria, Iraq-Kuwait, and many others through the sands of time.

15. Orthodox Islam has murdered Jews for thousands of years. Mohammed himself made a treaty (Hudna) with a Jewish tribe, the Qureishi, just long enough to gain strength enough to turn on them and murder them.

16. A fundamental principle of Islam is "Al Taqqiyya"--it is ok to lie to advance Islam. Thus we must discount most anti-Israel Arab propaganda, much of which has been proven false over time, only after it was believed and led to riots, etc.

17. Gaza is not some collection of people in camps. It has cities, high-rise buildings, fancy restaurants, wind-surfing and other amenities. The propaganda image is just that.

18. The solution to the Gaza problem is to transfer responsibility from the UNRWA, a handout agency keeping them permanently dependent, to UNHCR, a refugee resettlement agency that has handled vast numbers of refugees from other wars. Make no mistake; Gaza is the result of war, made by Arabs against Israel, and not some unmotivated "occupation", and right now, it is on its own, with security precautions by Israel against repeatedly proven terrorist murders of Israeli women and children. Any other State would do the same, or much worse.

 

GPSADVOCATE

12:28 AM ET

June 3, 2010

ummmm COMMENTATOR, a bit

ummmm COMMENTATOR, a bit biased much?

 

HILLBILLY BRETT

11:55 PM ET

June 3, 2010

Hmm... Commentator Biased

I've studied the conflict for about 30 years now. Originally taking sides with the Palestinians. Commentator has his facts straight.

Woodrow Wilson wanted to act upon the Armenian genocide issue, back in the day, but US Congress decided that it was a civil war and the US shouldn't be involved. Nancy Pelosi wanted to pick that scab - when that issue had already been asked and answered.

Iran has it's Holocaust denyers. Japan has it's Nanking denyers. But the US owns up to it's slavery history - and is happy those days are long gone.

I don't feel the least bit guilty over the US condoning slavery. My family never owned slaves and were radical abolutionists from Virginia and Ohio.

Turkey can rest well knowing that it did happen - but no one alive today was responsible... time to move on.

 

HUGH

9:16 AM ET

June 2, 2010

Abe Foxman couldn't have

Abe Foxman couldn't have written this article better - if you fall out with Israel you'll be characterised as a 'frenemy' by American foreign policy scholars.

When's a US foreign policy academic going to start writing from the perspective of American interests in the Middle East, rather than Israel's?

 

ROZBAT

9:39 AM ET

June 2, 2010

future of our relations with E.U

yesterday (1 june 2010) i been watched mr. Erdo?an's (our president) condems about last situation(about ?srael). He was not so angry he told us ?srael shouldn't attack aid boats.

 

ASCHOPS

10:11 AM ET

June 2, 2010

What controversy?

"There is a full-blown controversy brewing over exactly what the Obama administration communicated to Erdogan and Brazilian President Luiz Inacio Lula da Silva before the two leaders traveled to Tehran in May"

Yes, there is a controversy - in European and American media, that is.

In Brazil, by contrast, the media has had access for some time to the letter Obama sent Lula this April.

The letter: http://www.politicaexterna.com/archives/11023#axzz0pi07yCGE

 

VILKSSWEDEN

10:33 AM ET

June 2, 2010

Turkey Slouches Toward Iran

The details of Israel’s attempt on Monday to enforce the blockade of Gaza are less important than the consequences that will now begin to unfold. The Turkish passenger ship Mavi Marmara (Blue Marmara) was one of several that were attempting to run a blockade that Israel has been enforcing against the Hamas terrorists who control Gaza and launch rockets at civilian targets in Israel. Egypt maintains a land blockade for security reasons as well. The 4000-ton Mavi Marmara was sponsored by Insani Yardim Vakfi, a Turkish organization that Reuters has described as an “Islamic charity group.”

This flotilla was larger than its predecessors. Israeli officials had planned to redirect the vessels from Gaza to Ashdod where their cargoes were to be examined and sent overland into Gaza. The plan went badly awry. Israeli naval forces were met by Hamas sympathizers wielding metal poles and perhaps knives. The videos, which are all over the Internet, show troops descending by rope from a helicopter and being met by force. Israel admits that its troops were not armed with standard automatic weapons but rather guns that fire small capsules of paint--loud when fired but they produce only a sting and a big laundry bill. Confronted by the stick- and baton-wielders as well as groups of Mavi Marmara's activists who threw Israeli troops from an upper to a lower deck, the Israelis defended themselves with real bullets that killed nine.

The flotilla had been planned for a year. According to U.S. newspaper accounts the flotilla’s organizers had sought and received Turkish government support. UN Secretary General Ban Ki Moon said he was disturbed that the incident took place in international waters, which demonstrates a poor grasp of board-and-search operations, which are normally carried out in international waters. This one went bad and it seems that the Israeli board-and-search party was unprepared to meet resistance. A more threatening or less audible arrival on board the ship might have convinced the Hamas activists that resistance was foolish. There will be inquiries. They will concentrate on the tactical minutiae of the incident and disregard the sensible Israeli policy that seeks to prevent sympathizers and terrorist groups from supplying Hamas with weapons it can turn on Israel. Hamas leadership will be pleased that Palestinians who exist under their violent rule are stirred up against Israel, a state that would live in peace with Palestinians while Hamas itself won’t consider peace with Israel.

But this incident is less about Israeli-Palestinian issues than it is about Turkey, whose Islamist prime minister, Recep Tayyip Erdogan, told parliament that “today is a turning point in history. Nothing will ever be the same again.” This observation is probably the most important and to-the-point remark about the incident.

srael and Turkey have had good relations for virtually all of Israel’s existence. These included military, economic, and most important, strategic cooperation. Whatever Turkish leaders saw in the importance of Israel to the moderate Middle Eastern politics they favored, there was no doubt of common cause with Jerusalem in limiting Soviet ambitions in the region. This ended when Russia withered. Erdogan has been shifting Turkey’s course away from a secular state that looks westward to a religious one that looks to the east since he became prime minister seven years ago. Domestic critics accuse him of leading Turkey toward establishing an Islamic state. “Iran is our friend,” Erdogan told the Guardian in October 2009. Earlier the same year he stormed out of the Davos Economic Forum in Switzerland telling Israeli President Shimon Peres that “I know well how you hit and kill children on the beaches.” Last month Turkey and Syria held joint military exercises for the second time in as many years: This is a significant change. In 1998, Egyptian President Mubarak was mediating to keep Turkey and Syria from going to war with each other. The Islamists have the upper hand in Turkey today and the Mavi Marmara incident, as Prime Minister Erdogan understands, is a custom-made tool in his hands for sealing the fate of strategic cooperation with Israel. But even this shrivels by comparison to broader issues.

A new alignment in the Middle East has been in the making since Erdogan came to power. Unlike his Ottoman predecessors whose ambitions and outlook extended toward both Europe and Central Asia, Erdogan is focused to the east, specifically the Islamist East. The questions this opens rival in scope and magnitude those that Iran’s Islamic revolution raised.

Would an entente followed by strategic alliance between Turkey, Iran, and Syria—including greatly increased support for Hamas and Hezbollah—end Lebanon’s existence as a buffer state on Israel’s northern border? What does so powerful an axis on or close to its borders mean for Israel’s future? How would such an axis use its weight to spread Islamism throughout other Central Asian states and what would this mean for Russia, China, and India? Would Turkish-Iranian cooperation strangle the Kurds between them, and what calamitous prospect does this hold for the northern third of Iraq, to say nothing of Iraq itself? Should a Turkish state with Iran as a partner remain a member of NATO? Is there any reason to keep Turkey in NATO other than to try to prevent a war with Greece? And if Prime Minister Erdogan is right that the Mavi Marmara incident is “a turning point in history,” what reason is there to think that an alliance whose main business today is fighting Islamic radicals outside Europe would have any significant restraining influence over an Islamist Turkey in its age-old disagreement with Orthodox Greece?

Finally, and perhaps most puzzling, what does the Obama administration make of all this? Does it understand the effect of its policy toward Israel? Does it see that gradual diminishing of U.S. support for Israel encourages the suggestion advanced by Prime Minister Erdogan’s friend Ahmadinejad that Israel can be wiped off the map? Does the Obama administration think, for example, that the resolution it supported in the UN on Friday, May 28 for a nuclear-free Middle East, which singles out Israel but is silent on Iran, encourages or discourages the belief that maybe, just maybe, Israel will be forced on terms regardless of their consequences for its security to accede to Palestinian rulers, i.e. Hamas?

Is this an objective that the Obama administration seeks in its belief that Israeli-Palestinian disagreements stand in the way of peace in the Middle East? Or does the current administration believe that it can chip away endlessly at the U.S. relationship with Israel without such large consequences as the radicalization and strategic re-orientation of what was once our most powerful Muslim-majority state in the region? President Obama’s first trip abroad was to Europe and his first stop was Turkey. How could it have turned into this? How did the U.S. miss the opportunity to pull Turkey into a strategic partnership consistent with that great country’s ambitions and capabilities?

Senator Joseph Biden, while he was a vice presidential candidate, said that “it will not be six months before the world tests Barack Obama like they did John Kennedy.” Biden was wrong about timing, but right about the crisis. This one is not about the Mavi Marmara. It is about the strategic mass created by the increasingly convergent paths of the two of the Middle East’s largest, most powerful, and influential states, one of which could become a nuclear power and the other of which is on the threshold.

 

MOOK

11:25 AM ET

June 2, 2010

Turkey would rather ally with

Turkey would rather ally with Syria, Iran, and Hamas than with the West. Erdogan has decided that it is better to be a big fish in a small, fetid pond than a little fish in a clean blue sea.

Better to reign in Hell than to serve in Heaven, eh?

 

ARTAL

1:45 AM ET

June 10, 2010

And the answer is ... a new world war

Vilkssweden asks a lot of good questions, and Israel has always been an unwelcome neighbour in the region imposed by the colonial powers to protect their interests. It is turning into a great liability for the west to the extent that a 3rd world war would likely errupt to protect Israel's aggressive position. The US wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, as well as the Yemen and Pakistan campaigns, trace their roots to anti-Israel sentiment in the public and political establishments there. If Iran or Turkey are targetted for the sake of the Zionists then its likely a new world war.

 

HAZZA9

10:34 AM ET

June 2, 2010

An objective take

For anyone who is interested in an objective take of this issue, right here on Foreign Policy, Stephen M Walt's blog is far more perceptive.

http://walt.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2010/05/31/israels_latest_brutal_blunder

 

URBAN NOMAD

11:01 AM ET

June 2, 2010

over-enthusiastic

It is true that US-Turkish relations are not as good they used to be in the past. Nevertheless, the article is a bit over-enthusiastic or better over-estimating turkish capabilities.

For the US, Turkey will always be a pivotal state for geopolitical and geostrategic reasons. Despite the frictions over Iran, Hamas etc the two states are fully cooperating in Iraq, the Balkans, the Ankara-Erevan normalisation process (although halted due to armenian negation) while the US and the UK are the most fervent supporters of turkish accession in the EU despite the fact that Turkey occupies 40% of the Republic of Cyprus and does not recognise the aforementioned state.

And finally, Israel and Turkey continue business as usual in many fields like weapons, energy and investments.

 

ANDY MOORE

11:49 PM ET

June 30, 2010

Ankara, Washington

There is a ceiling above which Turkish-American relations cannot improve, and there’s a floor which it can’t go below. But we are getting pretty close to the floor and the ability of the two countries to improve their relations really has a huge question mark over it. We are now talking about an undeclared crisis in the relations. oklahoma local florists Speaking at a recent news conference, Rep. Mike Pence, a Republican from Indiana considered to be a Congressional supporter of Turkey, told reporters: “There will be a cost, if Turkey stays on its present heading of growing closer to Iran and more antagonistic to the state of Israel. It will bear upon my view and I believe the view of many members of Congress on the state of the relationship with Turkey.” To a certain extent, tension between Ankara and Washington is nothing new. What is different now, noted Carnegie’s Barkey, is that Ankara’s independent foreign policy course creates more opportunities for Turkey and the United States to have policy disagreements. It’s a new reality that Washington appears to be coming to terms with. oklahoma city flower delivery In another recent interview, this one with the British Broadcasting Corp,, the State Department’s Gordon said: “We’re going to work very hard to preserve this partnership and cooperation.”

 

FP3

11:07 AM ET

June 2, 2010

We Want an FP Counter-Article

FP should publish a direct counter to Cook's pro-Israel resume'-builder of an article.

 

VALWAYNE

11:07 AM ET

June 2, 2010

Obama Failure!

Obama's foreign policy of bows, apology, and appeasement is bearing more rotten fruit. Turkey, a supposed staunch NATO ally, is leaving the West and edging into the world of radical Islam. Obama's attacks on Israel have emboldened everyone to ramp up their assaults on the Jewish state. How do you spell Fiasco: O B A M A

 

LAL QILA

12:22 PM ET

June 2, 2010

All American misleaders are in the pocket of Israel

All American misleaders are in the pocket of Israel. Can you say Israeli stooges?

Do these American Jews work for America or Israel?

37 Jewish members of the Democratic caucuses meet with US president, urge him to increase his personal involvement in the administration’s Israel-related policies

Senate:

Senator Barbara Boxer (California)
Senator Benjamin Cardin (Maryland)
Senator Russ Feingold (Wisconsin)
Senator Al Franken (Minnesota)
Senator Dianne Feinstein (California)
Senator Herb Kohl (Wisconsin)
Senator Frank Lautenberg (New Jersey)
Senator Joe Lieberman (Connecticut) (Independent)
Senator Carl Levin (Michigan)
Senator Bernard Sanders (Vermont) (Independent)
Senator Charles Schumer (New York)
Senator Arlen Specter (Pennsylvania) ONE DOWN!
Senator Ron Wyden (Oregon)

House of Representatives:

Representative Gary Ackerman (New York)
Representative John H. Adler (New Jersey)
Representative Shelley Berkley (Nevada)
Representative Howard Berman (California)
Representative Steve Cohen (Tennessee)
Representative Susan Davis (California)
Representative Eliot Engel (New York)
Representative Bob Filner (California)
Representative Barney Frank (Massachusetts)
Representative Gabrielle Giffords (Arizona)
Representative Alan Grayson (Florida)
Representative Jane Harman (California)
Representative Paul Hodes (New Hampshire)
Representative Steve Israel (New York)
Representative Steve Kagen (Wisconsin)
Representative Ronald Klein (Florida)
Representative Sander Levin (Michigan)
Representative Nita Lowey (New York)
Representative Jerry Nadler (New York)
Representative Jared Polis (Colorado)
Representative Steve Rothman (New Jersey)
Representative Jan Schakowsky (Illinois)
Representative Adam Schiff (California)
Representative Allyson Schwartz (Pennsylvania)
Representative Brad Sherman (California)
Representative Debbie Wasserman Schultz (Florida)
Representative Henry Waxman (California)
Representative Anthony Weiner (New York)
Representative John Yarmuth (Kentucky)
President Barack Obama met with 37 Jewish members of the Democratic caucuses Tuesday afternoon, to discuss a range of issues important to US foreign policy.

According to the White House Media Affairs Office, the conversation included an update on proximity talks and administration efforts to strengthen Israel’s security, including the administration’s recent decision to provide Israel with an additional $205 million in funding for the Iron Dome missile defense system.

The president also briefed the Jewish senators and congressmen on the proposed draft of UN Security Council sanctions resolution against Iran.

The meeting was described as a “wide ranging and productive exchange about their shared commitment to peace and security in Israel and the Middle East.”

The senators urged Obama to increase his involvement in Washington’s Israel-related policies, and not leave things to the lower ranks of the administration.

Such involvement, they advised, would help clear up any misconception as to his attitude towards Israel. The senators and congressmen also suggested Obama visits Israel again.

The 90-minute meeting also included US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton and her deputy, James Steinberg.

Congressman Steve Rothman (New Jersey) said that much of the meeting focused on Iran, as well as the Republican Party’s efforts to misrepresent Obama’s stands on the issue and the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.

Rothman added that he believes that Obama was the best president Israel ever worked with, in terms of security and intelligence cooperation.

Obama reportedly told the Jewish mission that he made some mistakes he when he stepped onto the “minefield” that is the Middle East, triggered several of them and “lost some fingers.”

Nonetheless, the US president stressed that Washington’s relations with Jerusalem are strong, and that the reports of tension between the two were overrated.

Congressman Eliot Engel (New York) told reporters that the US and Israel cannot allow “recent misunderstandings,” as he called them, to cloud their relationship and distract them from their mutual goals.

Read more here: http://lalqila.wordpress.com/

 

JAMAWANI

11:13 AM ET

June 2, 2010

Two-Way Street?

Is it that Turkey is careening off into some extreme Islamic condition?
Or is it that U.S. Middle East policy is becoming increasingly isolated?

You state - -

This is the logical result of profound shifts in Turkish foreign and domestic politics and changes in the international system. ... After Israel's attempts to halt the vessels resulted in the deaths of at least nine activists, Turkish Foreign Minister Ahmet Davutoglu referred to Israel's actions as "murder conducted by a state."

Could the shifts be elsewhere?

Other than a short, ill-conceived foray into Lebanon in the 1980s - and an earlier, more successful intervention in the 1950s, the United States has assiduously avoided direct military involvement in the Middle East. Not so since 2001.

Following the 1956 War, the Six-Day War, and the 1973 War - it was the United States - ally that it was - that reigned in the extremes of Israeli expansionism and militarism. Now, it appears that anything that Israel does - from the attacks on Lebanon and Gaza to building of the Security Wall to accelerated settlement in the West Bank to the attack of the Gaza aid flotilla - gets a pass from Washington.

I think you need to rethink who is changing what.

 

LAL QILA

12:13 PM ET

June 2, 2010

America and Europe does not have leaders

America and Europe does not have leaders; they have misleaders; misleading the world with misleading arguments and misleading actions.

Thank god the world has some real statesmen in the world instead of lowly politicians.

But why to American and European people elect such low quality leaders for them to be misled again and again?

http://lalqila.wordpress.com/

 

THEBLACKCAT

1:03 PM ET

June 2, 2010

"A little more than a year

"A little more than a year after Obama addressed the Turkish Grand National Assembly, Washington seems caught between its attempts to advance this model partnership, and recognition of the reality that Ankara has moved on."

Hasn't the US also moved on? Obama initially positioned himself as someone who was going to do what it takes to push the peace process forward, including putting pressure on Israel. Now, at least until the Congressional elections, he has decided to cave to Israel, and support it even when its troops attack a civilian ship from a NATO ally in international waters.

"For the first time in its history, Ankara has chosen sides in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, demanding that Israel take steps to ease the blockade of Gaza or risk unspecified "consequences."

Pretty much every country in the world has called on Israel to take steps to ease Gaza blockade. Even Hillary Clinton has. What makes Turkey so special here, other than that it is much closer to Israel and Gaza both geographically and in some respects figuratively, and has more of an interest in resolving the situation than say, Chile?

"In public statements, Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan has compared Turkey's Islamists and Hamas. Implicit in these declarations is a parallel to Erdogan's own Justice and Development Party, whose predecessors were repeatedly banned from politics. This parallel is rather odd. Turkey's Islamists always sought to process their grievances peacefully, while the Islamic Resistance Movement -- Hamas's actual name -- has a history of violence. "

This comparison doesn't make any sense. Hamas has used violence in two broad circumstances - against Israel, a foreign state power with which it is in conflict and which occupies Palestinian land, and against Fatah in Gaza, which appeared to be planning to mount an armed takeover against Hamas after Hamas won democratic elections. Many of Hamas's actions such as suicide bombings against civilian targets and summary executions of Fatah members were despicable, but the AKP (which is not an Islamist party) has never been in the positions Hamas was in (fighting a foreign enemy and internal enemy refusing to abide by election results), so it doesn't make sense to compare AKP non-violence to Hamas violence. The AKP also has a state at its control if it has grievances, and has used violence against the likes of the PKK. Hamas's fight against Israel is a nationalist struggle and its fight against Fatah is a power struggle, neither have much to do with Islamism, even though it is in Islamist movement. Do you think if Turkey was under foreign occupation, the AKP would propose a pacifist response? Or that it would sit back and allow a coup by the CHP?

 

WILL2713

3:06 PM ET

June 2, 2010

turkey is more of an asset than Israel

Cook confuses America's strategic interests with those of the Afrikaaner Apartheid colonial project of Israel. Hamas & Iran are Israel's impediments to its colonial project in the West Bank.

That's why they are labeled terrorists. They need not be America's enemies if Israel could live within its 1967 borders, give up Apartheid, & let Peace break out.

So what if Hamas's charter (or Chamas as the Zionists call it) doesn't recognize Israel's right to exist. The Likud charter doesn't recognize Palestinian's right to exist.

 

ABDULLAHKHAN5

9:47 AM ET

June 3, 2010

"The Turks are willing to

"The Turks are willing to bend the regional rules of the game to serve Ankara's own interests. If the resulting policies serve U.S. goals at the same time, good. If not, so be it."

I think Turks should've the liberty to pursue their own interests in their own region just like US protects its interests in let's say South China Sea, South Asia or Europe. Are American policies formulated considering other country's interests. Has US ever asked permission from the world community before invading other countries not that it justifies its right to invade others. All Turkey has done is blame Israel for killing people (once again) and US feels threatened and offended by Turkey. C'mon!

 

VILKSSWEDEN

11:54 AM ET

June 3, 2010

Hey what about Hamas' blockade of

Gilat Shalit? Not even the red cross, his parents, or anyone else for that matter can send him aide. He is even prevented from getting new eyeglasses so he can see, or a book to read. He has no visitation rights - his parents can't see him nor can anyone else for that matter.

How about Israel try to run a humanitarian convoy to Gilad Shalit who is suffering and being tortured? All aide is being blockaded from getting to him by Hamas. What do you think will happen to that convoy?

Why don't the Turks undertake to break Hamas's barricade of this suffering individual?

 

UZBEKPOLICY

9:42 PM ET

June 3, 2010

To the point!

@ Sam from California - "I can say this, Turkey is a much less embarrassing ally than Israel." Agreed.
And, if I may say, the book mentioned at the beginning of this article is also less embarrassing than the article itself :)

 

CUNEYTGURCAN

1:33 AM ET

June 4, 2010

No need to get angry

I was seriously enraged after the flotilla attack, and reading spineless editorials from NY times and Washington Post (Hear me Mr Pollock) just added more salt to my wounds. After all, we Turks have 9 dead, a 19 year old with 4 bullets in his head. How can this be justified? (Hear me Mr Biden)

But after some time I noticed that there are 70 million people who are enraged like me, and none of them will forget their hatred for Israel because of these western media spins. Turks see that incident as it is; bloody murder on high seas. i am sure some of them will come up with a way to punish Israel, this will not go unanswered, because Turks do not really forget such things. That was and is my relief.

Another note, Israel says its soldiers were beaten. Either Israel is lying, or their so called "best of the best" commandos were beaten to hell by ordinary Turks. I do not know which one is more insulting to them.

 

BABNICK

7:00 AM ET

June 4, 2010

so

So what is next??

A war between Turkey and Israel?

If some plans on that have to say that that is not right, because between Turkish and Israeli people there is no problem vice versa there is a good partnership in trade, tourism and historically based friendship.

Killing activists (like 19 year old one who had 4 headshots and 2 to breast) will not make a country powerful or big in that region. It may add many more problems that already had.

Politics either in Israel and US must read all possibilities while trying to change regional border politics. Somethings may always go wrong in that region. For ex. Palestine, Iraq, Afganistan...If you read about the 2000 year history of the region you can see it.

Frenemy ?

USA and Turkey?

I only smile that. Look to NATO partnership history of Turkey and USA. USA still has the biggest military base (Incirlik) of the region. Base in Greece already shut.
It is completely non-sense for me as a Turkish citizen to think that Turkey is new enemy( of frenemy!) of USA or Israel. We never had problem with Israeli people contrarily we always helped them (You can check 700 years history of relations of Turkish-Israel relationships)

As a last word political plans must be made and voted without sitting at capital cities, sitting and understanding the thruths with own eyes.
Otherwise all comes lite Iraq and Afganistan.

 

THEBLACKCAT

8:34 AM ET

June 4, 2010

"Where are the photos from

"Where are the photos from the other side showing the Israelis boarding without resistance?"

The Israelis confiscated (ie stole) all of the activists' equipment.

 

REDBOURN

3:31 PM ET

June 4, 2010

This is much simpler than it's made out to be ..

Erdogan gets his support from fundamentalist Muslims and his wife is devout.

That is the West's problem with Turkey right now, nothing more and nothing less.

The good news is that Turkey has elections next year and a politician that would return Turkey to the ideas of Mustafa Kemal Atatürk who supported a non-secular state.

Since the Justice and Development Party (AKP), rooted in the country’s Islamist movement, came to power in 2002, Turkish politics has been mired in two, mutually perpetuating problems: the rise of an authoritarian AKP and the lack of an effective opposition to challenge this trend. Baykal’s replacement, Kemal Kilicdaroglu – a charismatic, mustache-sporting people’s man in the mold of AKP leader Recep Tayyip Erdogan – promises to fix the latter problem. Kilicdaroglu, a liberal, has already said he will take the CHP, the heir to social democratic politics in the country, back to the working and middle classes.

If Kilicdaroglu can now also reinvent Kemalism, the founding ideology of modern Turkey and the CHP, making it attractive in the eyes of the Turkish people, he can even challenge the AKP in the forthcoming 2011 polls.

 

STRONGASATURK

12:36 AM ET

June 5, 2010

reply to commentator's comment

Turkey did not invade Cyprus. According to London Treaty, three countries, Turkey, Greece and Britain, had guarantor rights in the island to be used in case of a violence. When Greek Cypriots began discriminating, alienating and massacring Turkish Cypriots, Turkey used its guarantor right that Greece and Britain opted not to. It was a legitimate cause to send troops in an attempt to stop the killing of Turks.

Since the rest of your comments were full of bias and far away from facts, I don't feel compelled to answer.

Turks make great friends when you win their hearts, but they make staunch and invincible enemies when you lose them. Israel and US are on the wrong track and I am very glad to read that many Americans comprehend the unfavorable consequences of unconditional support to a lunatic and irresponsible state which is condemned on a regular basis by almost 200 nations in the world and blocking all roads that lead to peace and stability.

 

BLACKADDER60

5:19 AM ET

June 5, 2010

Whats new?

" The Turks are willing to bend the regional rules of the game to serve Ankara's own interests. If the resulting policies serve U.S. goals at the same time, good. If not, so be it. "

So... Whats new? Its the way the US have always been conducting ITS bussiness ... bending rules and steamrolling everybody else, except for in the case of Israel. Wonder how much longer they will carry this millstone around their neck?

 

ABBOTT

7:49 AM ET

June 5, 2010

One thing's for sure...

Turkey has taken a screaming right turn towards Islamic fundamentalism in the last ten years. As an American living in and visiting Istanbul for the last decade, I can tell you the change is astonishing. Ten years ago, it was impossible to see an Abayah anywhere in Turkey, even the most remote rural areas. Now, it is impossible to stand in one place anywhere in Istanbul, even the most "European" areas, turn 360 degrees around, and not see at least one woman wearing this medieval barbarism.

 

MOTOKOSOMA

6:27 PM ET

June 5, 2010

Pious Muslims are now more affluent, not more in number.

As a secular-minded Turk who has lived and visited Turkey many times, I can say that you are flat out wrong in arguing that there were no Abayah's in rural areas. In the past the urban secular elite discouraged Abayah's or even headscarves from being worn in public. Especially in areas that are predominately of secular "White" Turks. The rise of the AKP did not turn Turks as a whole more Islamic. Pious Muslims are just now more comfortable in these urban areas which foreign visitors like yourself frequent. They have become more affluent, not more in number.

 

ARJUNA

6:44 PM ET

June 6, 2010

An interesting post

As a secular-minded Turk who has lived and visited Turkey many times, I can say that you are flat out wrong in arguing that there were no Abayah's in rural areas.But after some time I noticed that there are 70 million people who are enraged like me, and none of them will forget their hatred for Israel because of these western media spins.world political news Another note, Israel says its soldiers were beaten. Either Israel is lying, or their so called "best of the best" commandos were beaten to hell by ordinary Turks. I do not know which one is more insulting to them.

 

LALACHAN

1:11 PM ET

June 7, 2010

Is it possible that for USA a

Is it possible that for USA a competitor becomes an enemy? It's supposed to be a democratic country, exept for those who dare to touch their source of money (any source). Greg from hostales roma

 

STEPHEN TYLER

6:14 PM ET

June 7, 2010

It is a well-known fact that,

It is a well-known fact that, confronted -as it often is- with the dilemma of taking action which will attract international condemnation on the one hand, and appearing weak to its existential enemies on the other, Israel always opts for the former as the lesser of two evils. The organizers of the flotilla either did not consider the consequences of their actions or -which is more likely- knowingly put the activists' lives in deadly danger for the sake of provoking Israel to take action. The Turkish government's support for the flotilla and the undiplomatic rhetoric that has been coming from Messrs Erdogan and Davutoglu over the incident lend credence to the view that Turkey is victimizing Israel as a means of gaining the leadership of the Islamic world.

 

ELI

2:15 AM ET

June 8, 2010

re:How Do You Say "Frenemy" in Turkish

Turkey has taken a screaming right turn towards Islamic fundamentalism in the last ten years. As an American living in and visiting Istanbul for the last decade, I can tell you the change is astonishing. Ten years ago, it was impossible to see an Abayah anywhere in Turkey, world top online gaming stories even the most remote rural areas.

 

BAKIYETEMEL

4:01 PM ET

June 10, 2010

mayo modelleri

I think the prime minister is very angry turkey
Mayo Modelleri

 

ALBANREAD

2:26 PM ET

June 16, 2010

The US, Turkey and the EU.

Perhaps if the US relationship with Turkey cools a little; then American Presidents will stop telling the EU to let Turkey join the European Union.
The Turkish people may (or may not) be lovely but the last thing we need in the EU is a border with Iraq, Iran and Syria; just give us a break.

 

ADRIAN888

5:40 PM ET

June 17, 2010

An interesting article

As one commented "as usual, Israel is victimizing themselves. They do something that badly hurts somebody else, and then they complain bitterly when the rest of the world thinks it makes world sport news today them look bad. "Oh, we're such victims! When the Russians or the Chinese kill millions of people the whole world approves of them! But we do some little thing and people don't like us. It's all because people instinctively hate Jews, that's the only possible explanation." That's true.