Why the Irish Support Palestine

Once upon a time, Ireland was a huge supporter of Jewish aspirations in the Promised Land. What happened?

BY RORY MILLER | JUNE 23, 2010

As the world scrambled to respond to Israel's deadly May 31 raid on a Gaza-bound flotilla, the first reaction came from an unlikely source: Ireland. On the morning of June 5, the MV Rachel Corrie, which had set sail from the east coast of Ireland in an attempt to breach the Gaza blockade, was intercepted by Israeli forces. The vessel's Irish passengers included Mairead Maguire, a Nobel Peace Prize laureate for her work to bring peace to Northern Ireland.

The ill-tempered diplomatic spat between the Irish and Israeli governments that accompanied the Rachel Corrie's journey to Gaza is just the latest episode in the countries' long history of antagonistic relations. Tensions recently escalated again with the Irish expulsion of an Israeli diplomat amid Irish anger over Israel's alleged use of eight forged Irish passports in the recent murder of a Hamas official in Dubai.

The Palestinian issue has long occupied a place in the Irish consciousness far greater than geographic, economic, or political considerations appear to merit. Perceived parallels with the Irish national experience, however, have inspired an emotional connection with Palestine that has inspired Irish activism in the region up to the present day.

At first, in the 1920s and 1930s, Irish sympathies lay squarely with the Zionists and drew heavily on the presumed parallels between historic Irish and Jewish suffering, as well as the shared traumatic experience of large-scale migration in the 19th century.

Drawing a parallel with their own history of occupation, the Irish also championed the Zionist struggle for self-determination against the British. A correspondent to The Bell, a leading Irish magazine, raged over current events in Mandate Palestine in March 1945: "Never let it be forgotten that the Irish people ... have experienced all that the Jewish people in Palestine are suffering from the trained 'thugs' 'gunning tarzans' and British 'terrorists' that the Mandatory power have imposed upon the country."

But Irish nationalist perceptions toward Israel soon shifted. The country's own anti-British rebellion led to a traumatic civil war that left six northern counties of the island under the British crown. Once the Zionist movement accepted the partition of Palestine, the Irish began to draw unflattering parallels between Israeli policies and their own divided existence. To many, the Jewish state now looked less like a besieged religious-national community struggling valiantly for its natural rights and more like a colony illegitimately established by British force of arms and intent on imposing itself on an indigenous population.

The renowned Irish novelist Sean O'Faolain, writing in November 1947 as the United Nations debated a partition plan for Mandate Palestine, expressed this sentiment when he rejected the comparison between the Irish and Zionist struggles: "if we could imagine that Ireland was being transformed by Britain into a national home for the Jews, I can hardly doubt which side you would be found."

Not even the successful Zionist military struggle against the British in the late 1940s did much to alter the view that Israel was "a little loyal Jewish Ulster," in the words of Sir Ronald Storrs, the first British governor of Jerusalem. Like Ulster, the northern province of Ireland under British control that was seen as a bulwark against Irish nationalism, Israel appeared designed to hold back the tide of Arab nationalism.

The "Vatican factor," as the writer and politician Conor Cruise O'Brien liked to call the Catholic Church's influence over Irish social and political life, also affected Irish perceptions of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. In October 1948, Pope Pius XII issued an encyclical, In Multiplicibus Curis, endorsing an "international character" to Jerusalem and its vicinity. From that time, the Irish government adopted the Vatican's concern for the status of Jerusalem's holy places and mirrored its call for international supervision of the city.

Christopher Furlong/Getty Images

 

Rory Miller is director of the Middle East and Mediterranean Studies Program at King's College London. He is the author of Ireland and the Palestine Question 1948-2004, published in 2005, and Inglorious Disarray: Europe, Israel and the Palestinians, forthcoming in 2011.

GDRIVER

5:54 PM ET

June 23, 2010

How Herzl's Dream of a Jewish Homeland became a nightmare

The real reason that Ireland's sympathies changed from supporting political Zionism to supporting Palestinian nationalism is because of a fundamental belief in the freedom of man and of basic human and civil rights for everyone.

The early Zionists followed Herzl's dream although he, himself, died an early death before he could see the fruits of his endeavors. The dream was of an agrarian society living in peace and co-operation with its neighbors.

The reality is that the current Likud government is a right-wing, extremist administration that has at its core a manifesto that declares all of the former land of Palestine as under its control. From the Mediterranean in the west, to Eilat in the south, to Lebanon in the north and the River Jordan in the east.

A right-wing Zionist state ethnically cleansed of all Muslims and Christians is the ultimate Likud aim.

Ireland will have no truck with such an uinhuman and unacceptable policy. Ireland believes in self-determination for the Palestinian people and an end to state-sponsored killings, imprisonment without trial and the illegal settlements in the West Bank and Jerusalem.

That is pretty much the concern of all who believe in freedom and the sanctity of life.

 

TRUTH NOT PARTISAN

6:06 PM ET

June 23, 2010

All Israel wants is Peace and Security

The early Zionists dreams are the same dreams as of Zionists now, living in the biblical land of Israel in peace and harmony with their neighbors. However, the arabs dont seem to want the same....
The reality of the new government in Israel is simply a reaction to their situation. Likud is not a party that wants to ethnically cleanse anyone, it simply is more realistic in its approach with the Palestinians. It came to office in regards to the situation in Israel. Hamas was elected to office in Gaza, with an official charter to exterminate and eradicate the Zionist entity in Israel, it doesnt recognize the country and calls for murdering and exterminating the civilian and peaceful population in Israel. And in regards to Israel proper, havent you heard the song sung by many Pro-Palestinan entities "From the river, to the Sea, all of Palestine should be free". Isnt that explicitly stating that they would not agree to an independant Jewish state living side by side peacefully.
If Ireland was truly against state-sponsored killings, improsement without trial and an end to illegal occupation then it should have issues with Hamas and not Israel. Hamas is the govt. that killed Fatah members after its election, and expelled them from Gaza. Hamas imprisons anyone they deem anti-Islam and anti-Hamas regardless of the situation. Please explain closing a summer camp and parties playing non-Muslim music.

And regarding to the "illegal settelments" in regards to peace. Why does it matter where someone lives as regard to peace? If the palestinians wanted a peaceful state side by side why does it matter where a Jew lives. There are Arabs Christians and Muslims, Beduoins and Druze and Ba'hai minorities in Israel, in pretty large percetages compared to other countries in the area, besides Muslim obviously. Why does the PA need to Judenreize the area before they can move in.

 

RAMIR

11:03 PM ET

June 23, 2010

Israel is not a country of peace

Before its birth, Zionist terrorists in Irgun Zwei Leumi and the Lehi began a brutal campaign of assassinations, bombings, kidnappings, intimidations and sabotage.
In the early days, Jewish fighters massacred scores of unarmed Palestinians villagers to depopulate Arab areas in a desperate move to land grab.
This selfish attitude continues up to the present day, with armed settlers evict Palestinians from their homes and burn olive trees. An unbelieveable 24,145 Palestinian homes have been demolished since 1967 !
There are 223 Jewish settlements built on confiscated Palestinian land. And yet they want more land. This week 88 Palestinian homes in Jerusalem are marked for destruction to make a theme park.
What do you expect when the current Deputy Prime Minister of Israel is a former member of Kach party, a declared terrorist party.
Yet the Palestinians, who do not even have a single tank, are portrayed as the aggressors.

 

TRUTH NOT PARTISAN

11:16 PM ET

June 23, 2010

First of all, your point of

First of all, your point of Zionist terrorism was more directed at the British then at the arabs. I will admit to some terrorism on the part of the early Zionists but it was directed at the British governing body, which nobody in Israel is proud of.
I think you forget of all the massacres committed by Arabs torwards its Jewish neighbors and citizens. Where these people not murderers and terrorists or were they simply living peacefully in their land until some other people moved in too, so naturally you kill the "intruders". If so, watch out Latino immigrants in America! Ramir thinks its okay to kill you...
The selfish attitude persists on the side of the Palestinians and trheir leaders. They were unwilling to share their land and live side by with a Jewish state. If they wanted to keep their homes they could have stayed and become citizens of a Jewish state, that would have given them equal rights. However, they couldnt even think of such a thing.
There were also 8,000 + rockets fired from mosques, schools, UN buildings, press offices and NGO offices. but hey, they were just the best situated buildings on the block right?
And you tend to forget that these 88 homes were built illegally, without permits and was already designated for that before people decided to build. They were occupying the area illegally.
What else can you expect from HAMAS and Fatah?
and by your logic, how dare thwe world portray 9-11 terrorists as attackers and Bin Laden and Al Qaeda as agressors? They had to STEAL and HIJACK their planes to kill innocent civilains! poor arabs couldnt even afford to rent one on their own....

 

RAMIR

6:10 AM ET

June 24, 2010

These homes were present for

These homes were present for at least 50 years, with no problems until now.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/world/middle_east/10400282.stm
The settler activity is highly illegal and unmoral.
I guess you are just following Jewish rules :
All property of other nations belongs to the Jewish nation, which, consequently, is entitled to seizure upon it without any scruples" Shulchan Aruch, Choszen Hamispzat 348. Difficult to you to give us non-Gentiles some justice.

9/11 has nothing to do with Palestinian people. It was done by mainly Saudi nut cases. Stick to the subject.

 

TRUTH NOT PARTISAN

4:13 PM ET

June 24, 2010

First off, these houses are

First off, these houses are still illegal and without permit. People have been smoking crack for over 50 years yet it is still illegal. Even arab press admits these houses are illegal http://archive.arabnews.com/?page=4&section=0&article=119436&d=21&m=2&y=2009
And by your logic then the so called settelements should be fine and ok by now because many have been there 50 plus years and nobody gave any trouble about them until a year or two ago. So using your logic whats it matter the lagality as long as theirs time right?
Equally, they are settling the land that was set aside, very highly immoral too correct?
And i guess you are following the rules of Islam called dar-al-islam where you cannot return land to anyone but a muslim if it has been in muslim hands. I may not buy property from a muslime because i am non-muslim. And as they are expanding they cannot give back the land to non-muslims.
How does 9-11 have nothing to do with the Palestinians?!?! Have you not read Why Osama Bin Laden said it was okay. A big reason he said was US support of Israel, aka treatment of Palestinians no? or is it just that Jews should be exterminated from that land? And in Rammalah and Gaza were they not shouting for joy, with V's for victory on 9-11. Saudi nutcases or not palestinianas seemed enthralled at the occassion. Maybe they are painted as such simply for the fact that they are aggressors? sometimes things are as they seem. Since 1948 the Palestinians leadership has hoped for Israeli demise.

 

VILKSSWEDEN

9:12 PM ET

June 23, 2010

Nice video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OfbYtpviai0&feature=player_embedded#!

 

RAMIR

10:57 PM ET

June 23, 2010

No, these are better videos !

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Li8objISiNY&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BEYwTb6ZC9U

 

TRUTH NOT PARTISAN

11:18 PM ET

June 23, 2010

also, as usually happens when

also, as usually happens when people like you try to defend themselves, way to avoid the questions i posed to you.

 

VILKSSWEDEN

11:23 PM ET

June 23, 2010

Fun with Palestine

# If engaged in a boring conversation about Palestine with a liberal, act confused and ask them to point out the country on a map for you.

# If engaged with said Arab/Liberal ask them to explain why Jordan isn't for Palestinians and watch them stutter and bullshit.

# Ask them if the suffering of other, non-Palestinian Islamic citizens (like these of Darfur) is anywhere as important as the suffering of Palestinian people. You might want to read Wikipedia:Genocide in Darfur first, because the conflict is heavily shushed in the Arab Media and most of those fucktards haven't even heard of the place.

# Americans have been known to engage in Israeli bulldozer tag but seem unfamiliar with the rules.

The Palestinians as a nation owe their existence to a paradox in statistics:

* If you say that Arabs lost about 1% of their turf - the part which has absolutely no oil - it doesn't sound like much.
* But if you say that the Palestinians were bestolen half their precious homeland, it suddenly sounds like a lot.
* Thus, some of the Arabs now call themselves "Palestinians".

Other stuff Palestinians don't wont you to know about

* They were kicked out of Kuwait (for supporting Saddam Hussein), Jordan (for trying to set up state within a state), almost kicked out of Lebanon (for starting a civil war), and are generally disliked in the arab countries.

* Between 800,000 to 1,000,000 Jews "left" Arab countries and moved to Israel, which is more than the number of Arabs who left Israel. The difference? Palestinians simply outdid the Jews in capacity for bitching.

 

CARTILAGE

2:24 PM ET

June 24, 2010

the only fuktard is you Vilk

STFU already. keep trying to defend the indefensible

 

VILKSSWEDEN

2:50 PM ET

June 24, 2010

Ippon's response just proved points 1, 2, and 3 of my above post

# If engaged in a boring conversation about Palestine with a liberal, act confused and ask them to point out the country on a map for you.

# If engaged with said Arab/Liberal ask them to explain why Jordan isn't for Palestinians and watch them stutter and bullshit.

# Ask them if the suffering of other, non-Palestinian Islamic citizens (like these of Darfur) is anywhere as important as the suffering of Palestinian people. You might want to read Wikipedia:Genocide in Darfur first, because the conflict is heavily shushed in the Arab Media and most of those fucktards haven't even heard of the place.

Thanks for helping out, mate!

 

RHF123

4:34 PM ET

June 24, 2010

Who cares

Who cares what the rest of the Muslim world does, Muslims are hypocrites but so is everyone else. Right wing nuts in Israel and a fanatic hatred of Muslims has already cost you your chance for a two-state solution, now a one state solution is the only option, one man, one vote, 50 years and there will be an affirmative action program in "The Palestinian Republic of Israel" to accommodate the "original settlers" of the land. Pity.

 

MALICEIT

11:45 PM ET

June 23, 2010

Great read...

I would like to add something to it though: it seems as Europe (and Ireland with it) became more and more secular, their perception of religious zealousness has shifted with the view of Palestinian and Israeli conflict. With that said it would be naive to parallel "well, Catholics just hate the Jews"

 

ADRIAN888

12:38 AM ET

June 24, 2010

Why the Irish Support Palestine

As commented "The ill-tempered diplomatic spat between the Irish and Israeli governments that accompanied the Rachel Corrie's journey to Gaza is just the latest episode in the countries' long history of antagonistic relations. Tensions recently current sports news escalated again with the Irish expulsion of an Israeli diplomat amid Irish anger over Israel's alleged use of eight forged Irish passports in the recent murder of a Hamas official in Dubai."

 

AVILLA

12:58 AM ET

June 24, 2010

As a non-Irish person who lived in West Belfast for twelve years

...the Irish (native ie Irish-Catholic) absolutely cannot stand colonialism of any form. It repulses them, which I suppose is understandable, but there is SO much contempt for the very notion of it. Zionism--the original Zionism--wasn't specifically about Zionism; many early Zionists such as Einstein emphasized that the Jews MUST live in peace with the Palestinians and respect the existing Arab social structures. That didn't happen. And quite frankly, it's never going to happen. Zionism as it DID occur is an exercise in colonialism, no matter how well-intentioned (or not) its beginnings were. I think "love" or "support" is probably the wrong word. The Irishmen and Irishwomen I know would defend the right of anyone to live free of occupation and free of foreign oppression. It's just a "thing". You see a lot of support for places like Tibet and a lot of hatred of the American war in Iraq as well. I see in these comments that certain Israel sympathizers are per usual dredging up the good ol' Holocaust guilt, but to compare modern-day Ireland--specifically Northern Ireland, where the Nobel laureate onboard the flotilla was from and from where the above mural is from--to the Ireland of 1945 is ludicrous to say the least. The Republic of Ireland wasn't even an official state until after World War II.

 

TRUTH NOT PARTISAN

1:50 AM ET

June 24, 2010

im sorry, avilla. while i

im sorry, avilla.
while i understand where you are coming from, I deplore your sating of "the good ol' Holocaust guilt". For one WWII and the Holocaust were not even mentioned in the above comments, at all. And second, to belittle the Holocaust is horrible. I am not trying to make you feel guilty and im not trying to tell you anything of it. I just think that your statement was deplorable.
And can you please explain just why peaceful co-existence didnt happen? because you make it seem like it was the Zionists fault.

 

KATHY

2:17 AM ET

June 24, 2010

SOLIDARITY

wE WERE ONCE UNDER HUNDREDS OF YEARS OF COLONIZATION... and occupied by the brutal Japanese Army..

We feel your pains, we feel for Palestinians because we were once there too.

 

ASHLEYKENNEDY

2:39 AM ET

June 24, 2010

Honouring Terrorists.

Why are there many streets named after terrorists in Israel?

That fact shows that, contrary to some propagandists, that Israelis do honour terrorists and show pride in terrorism.

 

VILKSSWEDEN

10:26 AM ET

June 24, 2010

The silly association of Zionism and colonialism

is made by those uneducated on either of the concepts. It's used as a flash point, knee jerk, ad hominem attack against Israel. It has no basis in fact.

Colonialism is living by the exploitation of others. It often involves a country implanting its natives into a foreign territory, where the exploitation takes place.

Zionists had no foreign government sending them to Israel. Almost every foreign office, department of state, and large businesses were against Zionists (russia even tried to create a "Jewish" oblast in the far east of the Soviet Union, to prevent Jewish external). Jews had often had to sneak into Israel, as their immigration was generally prevented. Indeed, it was adamantly prevented by the Ottomans until 1918 and the British until 1948 (the infamous "white papers" which condemned the Jews to die in Europe during the Holocaust). No government was sending them and no government was backing them. No ties were kept with the "motherlands."

Contrast this with the French in Algeria. The French actively encouraged and helped (sponsored) its natives go and live in Algeria. It was one country sending its people to live elsewhere with full backing and continuing ties to the motherland.

Next, there was no exploitation of the "natives." Jews built kibbutzim, factories and urban stores. They drained the swamps themselves, often suffering from terrible bouts of malaria. The whole "worker zionist" and "socialist zionist" ethic encouraged these Jews to be "the working class" and work the land themselves. Any Arabs working on the farms or in the stores were there as paid employees. They were in fact filling vacant employment spaces that were meant for Jews. However, these Jews could not enter Palestine due to the British white papers (preventing Jewish immigration). Rather than be exploited, the arabs generally prospered, with their population increasing exponentially and arab immigrants coming from all around Jordan, Syria, and Egypt (as even noted by Winston Churchill).

Even today, Israel seeks to cut itself off from the Palestinians, not to exploit them. There is the separation barrier preventing easy access to each others' labor and there are restrictions on Gaza. As much as possible, Israelis have tried to rely on the work of Thai laborers, Chinese, Filipinos, or Romanians for any "menial" or labor intensive jobs. Walking in Tel Aviv, you will see a HUGE line near the Chinese embassy. It's all Chinese laborers who came and live in Israel.

 

BULWARK PEST CONTROL

12:15 PM ET

June 24, 2010

Colonialism and Zionism

You make some excellent points. It seems that people lose perspective and broadly cast terms out that shadow real human motives. The need to survive is a great motivator. A group of individuals, moreover, a family, that binds together, works together, and builds together should be applauded for surviving the wrath of the misguided masses. Living by the exploitation of others and welcoming others into your community to survive are very different motives.

-Thos003

 

VILKSSWEDEN

4:52 PM ET

June 24, 2010

Or the Jew space invaders? Or the Jew cowboys? Or the

rampaging of the Jew Indians? Yeah, right on khan! What would you call that!

 

IH

1:40 PM ET

June 24, 2010

Ireland

I think that most of the Irish couldn't care less about Palestinians,Israel or the Middle east.

 

VILKSSWEDEN

4:24 PM ET

June 24, 2010

The author forgets the vast connections between the IRA

and the PLO. These groups trained together in terrorist tactics and terrorist camps. The Palestinian terrorist groups are still using IRA developed tactics and bomb making techniques.

Even hizbollah IED devices are said to have been originally designed by the IRA and passed on to them. This includes the ones used against US troops in Iraq.

http://www.realclearworld.com/articles/2009/04/ira_plo_history_cooperation.html

 

RHF123

4:37 PM ET

June 24, 2010

Not just the Irish

Israel has few friends left in the world due to it overplaying its hand with violence on Palestinians. Besides the USA, who actually does Israel have to rely on when it's not doctoring passports to perform bungled assassinations on two-bit operatives or killing civilians bearing paint guns?

 

VILKSSWEDEN

4:55 PM ET

June 24, 2010

RHF for your information

Mabouh, who was assassinated was more than a "two-bit" operative. He was a senior Hamas military commander and one of the founders of the Izz ad-Din al-Qassam Brigades. He was involved in several actions against Israel, including the abduction and murder of two Israeli soldiers. In recent years, Mabhouh was also alleged to have played a key role in forging secret connections between the Hamas government in Gaza and the Al-Quds Force of the Revolutionary Guards in Iran.

Oh, and I think you are confused. The Israelis had the paint guns. The "civilians" had pistols, knives, fire-bombs, and knives.

 

TRUTH NOT PARTISAN

7:01 PM ET

June 24, 2010

Ippon, to be honest i dont

Ippon, to be honest i dont always agree with vilksweden. however, you are very hypocritical in that your post was almost exactly what you disagree with. it was a personal attack on a commentator, asking him to stop commenting. if you want freedom in the press then you have to understand there are two extremes. you inhibit one and vilks the other. you two will always argue with each other. but dont condemn his actions and then copy them right away because then it completley negates your argument.

 

TRUTH NOT PARTISAN

11:25 PM ET

June 24, 2010

Theres a difference. For

Theres a difference. For one, he was not being hypocritical because he never told you that your being a hypocrite. That would make him a hypocrite. He told you to shut up, and you responded for him to shut up. That in and of itself is not hypocritical. What is hypocritical is when you told him to stop telling people to shut up, while youre telling him to shut up in the same sentence. I hope you understand.

 

JIMMY CRACKS CORN

7:43 PM ET

June 24, 2010

Mamby Pambi

Reading the comments I see why there will never be peace. What a delusional pack of fools....You all deserve to be throw into a pit with each other and tear each others eyes out.

 

SHRIBER

9:20 PM ET

June 24, 2010

Ireland has a long history of antisemitism.

Ireland has a long history of antisemitism.

The Irish government was neutral during WW2 and didn’t much to help Jews escape death at the hands of the Nazis.

Their president at the time went to the German Embassy to sign the Hitler condolence book when the dictator killed himself.

No head of State of any other European country did so.

I am not surprised that the Irish are pro Arab and hate the Jewish State.
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RSAFSOZ

9:59 AM ET

June 27, 2010

history

The history of this land must be examined if a good healthy ideas about the problem if we want to execute sikis and sex izle.

 

NORTHERNIRISH

2:50 PM ET

June 29, 2010

Support for terrorism from Irish Republicans is not surprising

The Irish Republic has been supporting Irish Republican terrorism ever since its existence, involved with the support, funding, arming, training, and sheltering of Irish Republican terrorists. The fact that it also chooses to support Palestinian terrorists in the same way should not come as a surprise.

 

SCIPIO AFRICANUS

5:45 AM ET

June 30, 2010

Neither is denial from those whose state backed terrorism

The Irish Republic never funded, armed, or trained the IRA. The fews times where elements in the Irish government and/or security services gave aid to the IRA, they were prosecuted by the state (for instance, the Arms' Trial). Hence, your claims are spurious, to say the least.

Throughout the Troubles, the Irish state followed a resolutely anti-IRA line, which you would find out if you bothered to check the evidence instead of spouting trite Northern Unionist propaganda.

On the subject of aiding and abetting terror, it is quite interesting that you chose to gloss over the British Army's employment and arming of the Loyalist terrorists who carried out numerous state-backed atrocities from 1970 onwards, including the largest single day attack during the Troubles, the murder of 33 innocent people in cold blood on the streets of Dublin and Monaghan in 1974. You also, curiously, fail to mention the Miami Showband Massacre, orchestrated and carried out by serving UDR officers moonlighting as UVF operatives under the direction of Lieutenant Robert Nairac of 14 Intelligence Company who was later murdered by the IRA.

British Army capitan Fred Holroyd's evidence on both matters (and the level of overall state/Loyalist terror group collusion) is instructive, and shocking, to say the least.

I'd be careful about throwing around accusations of a state aiding and abetting terror if I lived in a house made of glass.

Hypocrisy isn't a nice thing to behold.

http://www.dublinmonaghanbombings.org/index2.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fred_Holroyd

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miami_Showband_killings

 

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