The Oliver Stone Show

South of the Border is no portrait of Hugo Chávez or the Latin American left; it's about how one U.S. director views the world.

BY ELIZABETH DICKINSON | JUNE 24, 2010

By far the most amusing scene in Oliver Stone's new documentary, South of the Border, features Venezuelan President Hugo Chávez riding what looks like a child's bike around his boyhood home in one of the country's poorer neighborhoods, or barrios. About mid-lap around the empty field where his home once was, now overrun with weeds, the bike buckles under Chávez's weight. He falls to the ground, landing on top of the now-disattached tires. The president erupts into chuckles, between laughs saying that it has collapsed under him. And now, he says, "Tengo que pagar!" -- joking that he'll have to pay for the broken bike, as if it were a vase he dropped at an expensive store.

If there's one thing South of the Border depicts well, it's Chávez's good sense of humor. (Another classic moment comes when Stone follows him to a Iranian-built corn-processing plant -- he turns and jokes that it is an Iranian nuclear-bomb factory.) But the film is not intended as a comedy. According to Stone -- who attended the screening in Washington Wednesday afternoon -- it is a means of countering the "blatant misrepresentation [in the American media] of what Mr. Chávez has done." Stone makes no bones about his ideological leanings, as other critics have already noted, and he's leaning heavily to the left on this one.

But if the goal was to portray the true Hugo Chávez -- the man behind the much-vilified persona -- the movie is far from a success. After having seen the film, I know a lot more about Oliver Stone than about Chávez, who is mainly seen spouting one-liners and proclaiming the glories of the Bolivarian Revolution. Stone gives himself far more than half of the film's dialogue, and not just the narration. He had unprecedented access to the presidents of Argentina, Bolivia, Brazil, Cuba, Ecuador, and Paraguay. But the questions he asked were softballs and seemed interested far more in his understanding of the world than theirs. To Bolivia's president, Evo Morales, he asks: Has it been hard to fight against the right-leaning media? Stone wants to know what Argentina's former president, Néstor Kirchner, thought of his discussions with international bankers after the country's 2001 debt default. Is there a Hollywood moment, Stone wonders, where the banker replies, "Do you understand the repercussions of your actions?" He asks nearly everyone about U.S. intervention in the region, which elicits the same reply: It should not be allowed. This is hardly a revelation, and that's the point: Stone knows exactly the answer he's going to get.

More troubling is how South of the Border masquerades as journalism. Why not tell us what Hugo Chávez's agricultural policy actually is, rather than simply showing a cornfield, the fat stalks rustling in the wind? Why not ask him why food rots in government warehouses while there are shortages in Caracas? Rather than simply showing a bucolic rural scene, in which everyone is dressed in the characteristic red shirts and hats of the Chavistas, why not take us inside the process from production to market? Is it hampered by poor infrastructure? Do the government-run basic-goods stores pay a standard price? To what extent are food prices subsidized by the government's oil profits? How much of the revenue from the 2.6 million barrels of oil Venezuela sold last year trickled down to the people? The film leaves the viewer flush with platitudes about the leader's Bolivarian Revolution, but with a head full of unanswered questions about how it actually works.

That's not to say that there aren't some interesting points raised. Clips from the U.S. media that vilify Chávez are, as Stone no doubt intended, shocking for their black-and-white judgments and their caricatured understanding of Venezuela. The film also taps into very real anger in Latin America at the IMF, which Stone portrays as a black-hatted villain. (The IMF's structural-adjustment plans of the 1980s and 1990s were indeed very flawed, but this is something that the fund has itself recognized and addressed.) The emphasis that Stone places upon the attempted coup that almost ousted Chávez in 2002 is also revealing, indicating just how great a psychological impact it still has on the Venezuelan leader.

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Elizabeth Dickinson is assistant managing editor at Foreign Policy.

LOCOJHON

8:48 PM ET

June 24, 2010

Nilsson's "The Point"--"You see what you want to see,,,"

"As for an openly hostile United States? If anything, U.S. foreign policy toward Latin America these days is the opposite of overactive; it scarcely exists. In the pecking order of importance, Latin America comes behind Asia, Europe, even Africa -- not to mention Russia or Central Asia."
Congratulations--very nice attack piece, Elizabeth.
For a glorified movie review article, your bias was palpable.
You found it curious how/why a leader might take offense at, and remember for more than a year or eight, being overthrown by another nation--causing me to wonder--"How long would it take for you to forget?"
I’ll not critique each sentence, though most should be if only for the sake of accuracy.
At the end, you slipped the qualifier "openly" in so innocuously, I almost didn't notice, making your comment at least marginally true.
But only marginally so.
It's curious innit-- how you didn't happen to mention the 75 targets "O-bomb-ya" recently unleashed Special Ops Forces on, including at/in Bolivia and Venezuela?
Or the seven new US bases recently obtained in Colombia?
Or how, coincidentally after a coup (orchestrated by a US-trained General last year) the US retained a base it was about to lose in Honduras?
Or somehow, how we have permission for two new bases in Panama--again.
None are secret--so I wonder--What's not overt about them?
Why not one word about them in the article?
Might it compromise your carefully critical narrative?
So my main point and criticism is--today's US policy toward LatAm is not lacking--it is both overt and covert--for anyone willing to see.
Draw your own conclusions.
locoto

 

EXAVIER126

9:10 PM ET

June 25, 2010

It takes a special, possibly

It takes a special, possibly "loco", person to suggest that the US government supported the Honduras coup, despite a large amount of support for ousted President Manuel Zelaya in the wake of the coup.

Also, it's quite easy to see the bases in Columbia as proof of the US' hegemonic power in the region when you completely forget the fact that Columbia is a major cocaine producer.

 

PALMER

12:56 PM ET

June 25, 2010

What hegemony is

I am always puzzled by people's careless use of the word hegemony. Hegemony is a concept developed by Antonio Gramsci in his prison writings. In his concept, hegemony is achieved by a leading party who co-opts or influences the subaltern parties and social groups. It is NOT primarily coercive. Hegemony is established by the leading party which establishes a dialogue that brings the other parties along.

So, if the US has hegemony, it is because it offers an agenda that ultimately attracts others. It may have coercive aspects, but on balance it is more soft power attraction than hard power coercion. As in, if the hegemonic US is such a terrible fascist capitalist nightmare, why are millions of people risking their lives to smuggle themselves in?

Yes, the US record on human rights in Central and South America has much to be ashamed of. But the US also worked hard to correct its previous mistakes. Name a country that has done more to positively affect human rights in the Americas--certainly not Cuba, Sandinista Nicaragua, or Bolivia.

Oliver stone is a shallow ideologue who ought to go back to making movies written by someone else with a plot, characters and some kind of coherent narrative. As a political thinker and journalist he is simply absurd.

 

ASCHOPS

2:19 PM ET

June 25, 2010

"So, if the US has hegemony,

"So, if the US has hegemony, it is because it offers an agenda that ultimately attracts others. It may have coercive aspects, but on balance it is more soft power attraction than hard power coercion."
- That is a self-serving and truly idiotic assertion. I will not argue against it, since there is no argument in favor of it in your post, either.

"As in, if the hegemonic US is such a terrible fascist capitalist nightmare, why are millions of people risking their lives to smuggle themselves in?"
- That is a non-sequitur. Some people want to "smuggle themselves in" mostly because they believe their economic and social situation will be better off in the US than in their homeland. The US also has a democratic and mostly fair justice system, one that is largely - at least as compared to those of other wealthy western countries - tolerant to immigrants and favorable to their insertion into American society.

But from that fact - that the US domestic policy and status are mostly enviable -, it doesn't follow that US *foreign* policy is a laudable one as well. Sponsorship to coups, violation of international laws, wars initiated under false excuses - all this has been practiced by the US since at least after the WW2.

Ancient Athens was also a democracy. Its social system - albeit permissive of slavery - was a fairer one, by today's standards, as compared to those of its rivals such as the aristocratic Sparta or the oligarchic Corynth. But like the US, Athens had a most violent and imperialistic foreign policy, something detailed extensively by an ancient Athenian general named Thucydides. And like the US, Athens also cloaked its economic and military expansionism under moralistic, hypocritical terms and excuses.

"Yes, the US record on human rights in Central and South America has much to be ashamed of. But the US also worked hard to correct its previous mistakes. Name a country that has done more to positively affect human rights in the Americas--certainly not Cuba, Sandinista Nicaragua, or Bolivia."
- This is too vague an assertion. The US has sponsored coups throughout Latin America - that is the main reason its record in the area is a dirty one. And as far as I know, the US has done nothing to compensate for that venomous meddling in sovereign affairs. Democracy has been restored in the area - for instance, in Argentina, Brazil and Chile - due to internal pressure from popular movements - not from a regretful US government. And as recently as 2002, the US was supportive of a military coup in South America: that against Chávez in Venezuela.

Also, in what way does Bolivia have a bad record of human rights protection that justifies you singling it out as compared to the US? Bolivia, as far as I know, has never - either in the government of Morales or in those of his conservative predecessors - infringed on its neighbors sovereignty.

 

GARYA

10:34 PM ET

June 28, 2010

What our hegemony has wrought - in Cuba and Guatemala

What utter codswollop!

Cuba and Guatemala had similar-sized populations when "usurpers" overtook them - Guatemala by a CIA-fomented coup in '54, and Cuba by Castro four years later in Cuba.

The death toll of those who resisted the coups tell the tale. Castro can be credibly charged with the deaths of, perhaps, 5,000 or 10,000. "Our boys" in Guatemala killed 200,000, or more.

A pauper born in Cuba in the late 50's would have led a very poor life, but a much better one than one born in "our" Guatemala.

American hegemony is far, far from benign.

 

CJP1958

5:22 PM ET

June 25, 2010

leave off

A nywhere else in the world besides the United States, Oliver Stone's politics would be thought of as 'rational centrist' and I thnk that when he's portrayed as a left wing nut by the American media, it's the media who make themselves look pretty dumb and not him.

He assists in the encouragement of debate more so than a lot of the so-called political commentators who get paid by the mainstream media to trot out their tiresome and xenophobic rants that are counter-productive, not to say dangerous.

So why don't you get off the guy's back?

 

EXAVIER126

9:12 PM ET

June 25, 2010

Replace Stone's name with

Replace Stone's name with Sarah Palin and it makes a little more sense.

 

RSAFSOZ

10:14 AM ET

June 27, 2010

the end

These last days of Hugo Chavez sikis and sex

 

HT

10:06 PM ET

June 28, 2010

Steal­ing is steal­ing — Chavez the Expro­pri­a­tor

Steal­ing is steal­ing — Chavez the Expro­pri­a­tor
— see another arti­cle in Mar­ket­Watch today:
http://www.marketwatch.com/story/beware-of-rabid-dog-2010–06-28

 

GARYA

10:24 PM ET

June 28, 2010

Elizabeth Dickinson's show about Oliver Stone's show.

The hitpiece by Ms. Dickinson on Stone's new film reminds me of Larry Rohter's fact-challenged screed in the New York Times. Neither are a surprise. Both Foreign Policy and the NYT have a long history of putting a false, pro-American spin on events in Latin America into their pages. Ms. Dickinson, for example, doesn't seem to understand why Chavez can't get over the fact that "pro-freedom-and-democracy-America" collaborated in a failed coup attempt against Chavez in 2002.

And re Rohter, in 1997 the one of the fellows who broke the Iran Contra stories for AP and Newsweek, Robert Parry, found that, in a NYT piece in 1997, Rohter had air-brushed out the role the USA/CIA had played in the coup that brought a murderous dictatorship to power in Guatemala in '54, one that ultimately killed over 200,000 people. [See:
http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:Zbr7R_xW6ugJ:www.consortiumnews.com/archive/s
tory...]

With remarkable stamina and courage, Stone, the Yale-educated, Bronze Star-winning Vietnam Vet (who declined officer training school to enlist and fight as a 'grunt'), has repeatedly demolished his critics. I encourage anyone who cares about truth to read the Kansas University Press book, "Oliver Stone's USA," a book in which historians critique Stone's filmic presentation of history, and Stone responds to their critiques.

While Stone definitely takes some well-deserved flak, he suffers no mortal wounds. And he gives as least as well as he gets, delivering more than a few mortal salvos on the "experts!"

For example, Stephen Ambrose lashed Stone for depicting Nixon as foul-mouthed in his film by that name. Stone pointed out what U. Wisconsin historian Stan Kutler notes repeatedly in the recordings Nixon made (See Kutler's "Abuse of Power," U. Wisconsin Press): Nixon was occasionally outrageously foul-mouthed, as well as racist and anti-semitic.

When the MSM gangs up on someone the way Rohter did Oliver Stone, it's an easy money bet that the 'muckraker's' got his facts right and the powerful are squirming, desperately sending in their well-paid mouthpieces to shut him up. There's no shortage of examples to choose from.

Stone's assertion in "JFK" that Kennedy would NOT have sent GI's into combat in Vietnam, derided by many in the MSM at the time, has been completely vindicated. [See Willam Pfaff's recent article in the NY Review of Books, at: http://www.nybooks.com/articles/archives/2010/jun/10/mac-bundy-said-he-was-all-wrong/?pagination=false, or James Galbraith's piece in The Boston Review, at:
http://www.bostonreview.net/BR28.5/galbraith.html]

Amazingly, the NYT has allowed Stone et al to put up a riposte to Rohter on the web. [http://pulsemedia.org/2010/06/28/stone-ali-and-weisbrot-respond-to-attack-from-the-new-york-times-larry-rohter/] While encouraging, it's not that much. Anyone who believes that the NYT has the courage and integrity to correct Rohther's fact-challenged screed on the "Grey Lady's" pages is
living in a dreamworld. It's lucky we have the web, so we no longer have to search so hard to discredit pieces like Dickinson's and Rohter's.

Gary A