Unfinished Business

For 65 years, Japanese corporations have escaped responsibility for abusing American POWs during World War II.

BY CHRISTIAN CARYL | JUNE 28, 2010

Lester Tenney entered World War II as a strapping 21-year-old, weight 180 pounds. By the time he emerged from Japanese captivity in 1945, he was a shattered, emaciated cripple. His left arm and shoulder were partly paralyzed due to an accident in a coal mine where he'd been sent as a slave laborer. His overseers there -- civilian employees of the Mitsui Corp., not members of the Imperial Army -- had knocked out his teeth in repeated beatings with hammers and pickaxes. At war's end, he weighed in at 98 pounds. It took him a year in U.S. Army hospitals to regain something like a semblance of his old well-being.

Sixty-five years later, Tenney and his fellow ex-prisoners of war (POWs) -- the rapidly diminishing group of those who remain alive, that is -- are still awaiting the full fruits of victory. The Japanese companies that once abused Tenney and his fellow prisoners have never acknowledged responsibility for their crimes, let alone offered compensation or regrets of any kind. (The companies needed the POWs to compensate for a wartime labor shortage.) The Japanese government has only just begun to offer its regrets for what happened -- far too late for most of the veterans, but, still, something. Perhaps most depressingly of all, the U.S. government has spent years allowing the Japanese to get away with it -- a policy of complicity that has its roots in the two countries' complex postwar relationship. There are signs that this, too, may finally be changing. Hope never dies, as they say.

I was reminded of all this recently, when the story popped up again. Most Americans, I suspect, have never heard about this rather depressing tale -- which brings us to yet another set of culprits: the media. I must count myself among those responsible in this particular group. A few years ago I was the Tokyo bureau chief for one of the big American news magazines. I met Tenney in Japan and accompanied him as he spoke to Japanese school classes, and watched as he got his story out to the new generation. But I wasn't able to interest my editors in the story. It wasn't anything nefarious on their part. They just weren't terribly interested in Japan, and even less so in tales about Japan's bad behavior during the war. Surely that was well-trodden ground -- hadn't I ever seen The Bridge On the River Kwai?

I can't entirely blame them, I guess. Forget, for a moment, the fact that an extraordinary 40 percent of the Allied POWs in Japanese hands never came back. Forget the fact that those who survived suffered from the highest rates of "combat fatigue" -- what we would today call post-traumatic stress disorder -- of all of America's World War II veterans. Forget the fact that selling the prisoners to some 60 different Japanese companies represented a crass violation of the laws of war -- and that the way they were treated while working for the companies contravened the Imperial Army's own guidelines. Forget the fact that Chinese and Korean prisoners and forced laborers are still pressing (unsuccessfully) to have their claims recognized by Japanese courts. It was all a long time ago.

There's another problem. This happens to be one of those stories that come wrapped in the myriad legal and political subtleties that tend to accompany explorations of sins committed by governments in the past. In this case, for example, you have to do a bit of explaining about the peculiar history of the U.S.-Japan alliance. In 1951, as the Cold War was burning red hot in Korea, Washington realized that it needed a renascent Japan as its bulwark against communist designs on the Far East, and signed a set of agreements designed to wind up wartime claims and ensure Tokyo's loyalty to the Western camp in the decades to come. In one of those documents the Japanese agreed to let the Americans station troops on their territory, while in another -- the San Francisco Peace Treaty -- the Americans agreed to give the Japanese a pass on reparations. Article 16 of the treaty obligated the Japanese to pay a token amount to the International Red Cross "for the benefit of former prisoners of war" -- but the text carefully avoided describing the payment as "compensation," which might have created a precedent. No further claims by POWs would be recognized.

The former U.S. prisoners themselves never got anything from Japan -- and certainly not what they craved most, which was an official acknowledgment of the savage treatment that had been meted out to them not only by the Imperial Army in its prison camps, but also by the dozens of companies that used captured soldiers as laborers. (None of the companies ever paid the men for their work at the time, it should be noted.) It was not until 1995, under Prime Minister Tomiichi Murayama, that Japan offered its first, unequivocal official apology for Japan's wartime conduct. Over the years the Australian, British, Canadian, Dutch, and New Zealand governments managed to convince the Japanese that it would be in their interest to offer the ex-prisoners a gesture of goodwill. So Tokyo proceeded to invite ex-prisoners from those countries back to Japan on all-expense-paid trips -- an odd form of ersatz apology.

But the American POWs were left out -- and their own government was shockingly eager to leave it at that. Raison d'état -- in this case, the priority of keeping the U.S.-Japan alliance running smoothly -- trumped justice. "The Americans have been almost a hundred percent complicit in this," says Mindy Kotler, a Washington-based Japan expert  who works for the think tank Asia Policy Point. "They allowed the Japanese to not be accountable. They've given them a pass on the same values we hold dear."

When the U.S. survivors tried to push the Japanese to offer them similar treatment, the U.S. State Department sat on its hands -- as did many in Congress. Tenney testified before Congress on numerous occasions, but bills demanding action on the ex-prisoners' behalf inevitably died in committee, torpedoed by lawmakers eager to avoid tensions with Tokyo. The stillborn legislation included one measure that would have paid each surviving POW a one-off sum of $15,000 in acknowledgment of their wartime suffering. "Our Congress and our senators did a lousy job," says Tenney. (He then hastens to offer praise for the few who have stood up for the vets, naming Sens. Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.) and Orrin Hatch (R-Utah) and Rep. Mike Honda (D-Calif.). When the veterans tried to sue the Japanese companies that once exploited their labor, the U.S. Supreme Court didn't even deign to consider their cases. (State and Justice Department officials actually filed briefs opposing the veterans' claims in the lower courts on the grounds that they disturbed the 1951 San Francisco Peace Treaty.)

At least we can finally talk about a bit of progress. Last year the Japanese parliament, the Diet, quietly issued an apology that finally included references to the POWs -- one that amounts to official recognition of Japan's moral responsibility for the prisoners' wartime suffering. And in May of last year the Japanese ambassador to the United States, Ichiro Fujisaki, offered an apology of his own, echoing the 1995 government declaration, at a San Antonio gathering of some of the surviving American prisoners. Not all of the Americans were mollified, though Tenney says that the ambassador's sally "took a lot of courage," given the bitterness among some of the veterans. And now even the folks at Foggy Bottom seem to be coming around. Within the past few months, the Japanese have offered to invite some of the remaining POWs over for visits, and U.S. diplomats have been working with officials in Tokyo to make it happen. So far the sum of money involved -- $180,000 -- is pitiable, only enough for a mere seven men (plus caregivers and spouses). But even that small effort represents a break with a shameful past.

And the companies? "They've never offered one dime," says Tenney. "Never an apology." It's actually hard to see what would prevent them from doing so -- other than the shame of acknowledging their responsibility for acts committed long ago. The ex-prisoners' demands certainly don't represent any economic threat. (The company that exploited Tenney's labor, Mitsui, is today one of the world's biggest corporations -- it owns a 10 percent stake in the drilling operation that is currently hemorrhaging oil into the Gulf of Mexico -- and its website offers an elaborate declaration of its affirmation of human rights.) And Tenney insists that it's not money he and his comrades are after -- just a proper apology from corporate Japan. You'd think that wouldn't be so hard to come by. But you would be wrong.

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Christian Caryl is a contributing editor to Foreign Policy. His column, "Reality Check," appears weekly on ForeignPolicy.com.

AND REW

9:22 PM ET

June 28, 2010

And we?

Umm, 2 atomic bombs, and I don't think we have done anything about that either.
Correct me if I'm wrong.

 

NORBOOSE

9:27 PM ET

June 28, 2010

Why the Atomic?

Whenever I see someone mention the 2 atom bombs, I question their credibility. I wont even mention why the atom bombs were the best choice, Ill just point out that the fire-bombing of Tokyo took more lives. The only particular value of the atomics is their symbolism.

 

MUSTNOTSLEEP14

9:44 PM ET

June 28, 2010

We had 12,000 soldiers killed

We had 12,000 soldiers killed and 38,000 wounded at the Battle of Okinawa, which was not even supposed to be an extremely bloody battle. This was after the carnage of WW2 Europe and I do not blame the US govt one bit for trying to accelerate the end of the war. Japan was not going to surrender and a land invasion vs a suicidal enemy would have killed hundreds of thousands of Americans. It was better to kill hundreds of thousands of Japanese at that point. It was a very hard decision, and history books will not remember it kindly, but I am glad Truman dropped the bombs.

 

JGAMBOA

10:49 PM ET

June 28, 2010

Godwin's Law of the Pacific Theater

The use of, "but we dropped the bomb," is a kin to Godwin's Law, when people invoke Hitler and Nazis for comparison when it is not warranted.

 

GANYMED

5:37 AM ET

June 29, 2010

Your guys

would even defend Bin Laden if he wore a US flag pin, right?

 

GANYMED

5:38 AM ET

June 29, 2010

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AND REW

3:35 PM ET

June 29, 2010

Re

I'm not saying it was for or against our interests. I'm just saying if we are talking about some cruel thing they did, let's keep that in mind that we also did some cruel things. Yes it was war, it might be inevitable. that's something else.

 

NEWYORKROB

10:19 PM ET

June 30, 2010

Think of how many lives

Think of how many lives were saved by terminating the war and having the Japanese surrender.

Also, who invaded who? Who initiated that war?

Even after Japan unconditionally surrendered the United States returned their country to them. The San Francisco Peace Treaty, signed on September 8, 1951, marked the end of the Allied occupation, and when it went into effect on April 28, 1952, Japan was once again an independent state, and an ally of the United States.

Also, don't forget war crimes such as the Nanking Massacre in China by the Japanese. Also research "Unit 731" where Japan conducted Biological warfare experiments on numerous Chinese.

For 65 years, Japanese corporations have escaped responsibility for abusing American POWs and their slave-labor during World War II.

So excuse me if I don't feel any guilt.

 

CHUCK LANGWORTHY

9:39 AM ET

July 1, 2010

And we?

Perhaps that should have been you who walked in the Bataan death march in the Phillipines. Perhaps that should have been you, one of the Chinese civilians who were sprayed with chemicals in Nan King and then disected alive! The Japanese in WWII were the most savge and disrespectful of human life and diginty than any one else. All who were not Japanese were considered sub human to them. The Country was ready to have all fight to the death to save their emperior who was considered a God. It took the atomic bomb to save their lives and for us not to invade Japan and it is estimated that we would have lost more than 1 million men to finally defeat the Japanese, who if they won would have had you as a slave today, perhaps if you would not have even been born. Thank a teacher that you can read and write. Thank a veteran that you can SPEAK ENGLISH and do it freely. LOSER!!!!

 

STORMWALKER

10:23 AM ET

July 1, 2010

To NEWYORKROB

I honestly doubt whether dropping atomic-bomb is really needed to make Japan surrender.

As Japan's sea-lanes to import oil and other resources and grain were blockaded by US submarines and allied carrier-task force groups and B-29 dropped sea-mines, there would be famine on massive scale during 45 to 46 winter in Japan.

And as troop carrying ships also were sunken by them, we could not assemble army troops to the battlefield. Although Japan mobilized vast amount of old-age males (above typical soldier ages), there were not so much weapons left, so there were not enough rifles for every foot soldiers.

So in short, even if US armed forces landed mainland Japan, I'm not so sure Japan could kill millions of US soldiers at that time. Anyway, most of first-rated troops were occupying and marching china continents, and some of them were trying hard to survive in pacific islands.

Maybe, I ought to read John Dower, I have heard his book is really good, but until now I have never read.

 

WARPEDSPEED

11:27 AM ET

July 1, 2010

Embargo aside

No Pearl Harbor = no Hiroshima and no Nagasaki. Prior to the beginning of WWII Japan was under an embargo for steel and oil from the west. Because, of their actions in China and Mongolia. The experimentations carried out by Unit 731 and the rape of Nanking are only two examples of the atrocities carried out by the Japanese regime at the time. Prior to the outbreak of war between the Allies and Japan. Japan did attack a U.S. Naval vessel in China.
If you try to paint the U.S. and the Allies as the agressors here I suggest you study some history. Or read a book. Japan's racist policies of "Asia for the Asians" was practiced from the Aleutians through the Phillipines to Papua New Guinea. Though any Asiatic that was not Japanese was regarded as sub-human and abused it pales in comparision to the mistreatment of any person not of Asiatic descent.

 

HOPPER33

3:06 PM ET

July 1, 2010

History

It pains me to think ill educated individuals can make off the wall comments about the 2 most famous bombs of WWII. Japan did NOT comply with the Geneva convention regulations regarding POW's. The senior staff of the Japanese military did not wish to surrender when all was lost. Did you know there was a plan to kill all of the allied POW s. Read, Read, READ books written by the men and women who fought in the war. Read how the Japanese treated POW s. Starvation, beatings, sickness without medicine, hording of Red Cross packages.

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ALSEQUITOR

3:28 PM ET

July 1, 2010

Correction?

You're not wrong. The Japanese wanted to surrender, but Truman wouldn't hear of it.

This was a case of political point making, not necessities of war. But it was lost in advance by the fact the Stalin had already been given the information to make his own A-bomb. This assured the establishment of the "Cold War," a nonsense term as war is never cold. War is war, and unless it is declared as a state of irreconcilable conflict between two nations, i.e., a declaration of war, it is not a war, it is political posturing.

Truman may or may not have known about Stalin having the information in advance, as if you observe Stalin's face and Truman's face when Truman smugly informs Stalin that the US has the bomb, Stalin smiles knowingly as though to say, so?

The entire business of war is behind this event. The victims are the soldiers and sailors, POWs or not, civilian populations, and those who have been fooled into thinking that righteous indignation lies behind and justifies their sacrifices. The truth is more complex than that, and righteous indignation has little to do with it, just as real concern for the destruction of the Gulf of Mexico is not there in DC or BP.

So, you are not wrong, but you are not right to imply that the US should be paying the Japanese for the use of the A-bomb to quickly terminate a protracted conflict which would have cause even more victims without their use. That was the justification stated at the time, though those stating it knew it was posturing in that the Japanese would have surrendered, but not unconditionally. If they had even conditionally surrendered, the victims would have been spared, the situation would have been more similar to what it is today, but the money made from the event by the businesses of war, including Mitsui, would not have been as much.

I have met with the chairman of Mitsui and his closest staff to offer crude oil to Japan. It was not enough that I was offering it at a discounted fixed price on a long-term very firm contractual basis using a contract with ARAMCO itself, no. He wanted to steal my information and contact ARAMCO directly. He tried to trick that information out of me by having his interpreter ask me a question that the chairman had not asked me in Japanese. When I refused to answer his question, that ended their great opportunity to get vast supplies of Saudi Light Crude for Japan. There is no honor among thieves, as the old adage states, so you are not right that one wrong justifies the other.

The two issues are not related. Those who were used as slave labor by Japanese commercial enterprises, even in breach of the Imperial Army's rules, are to blame just as those who make oil blowouts which destroy the entire Gulf coast of the US are. If the US government does wrongly or allowed that to be done, such does not excuse the commercial enterprise for its negligence and disregard of human life and suffering, let alone the environment. To connect one with the other is to confuse the issues and muddy the points.

 

GUNSMOK2

4:52 PM ET

July 1, 2010

Tired of the whining

Atrocities have been happening throughout history and will continue to happen. Whether it be a government or an individual. We should try not to make the same mistakes that have been made before. War sucks in any fashion. Greed is the root of all evil. Selfishness will destroy even the most kind person. Reparations should not be made to anyone, especially in wartime, because after all IT IS WAR!. Love one another and don't believe everything you think.

 

KITHARA

10:57 PM ET

July 1, 2010

Only if he placed his hand

Only if he placed his hand over his heart during the National Anthem

 

CARDSHARP

11:20 PM ET

June 28, 2010

They haven't formally apologized for slaughtering civilians

either and they still white-wash their textbook, saying that America provoked the war and their invasion of China was started because China didn't allow Japanese goods into their market.

 

BELLENEIGE

2:28 AM ET

June 29, 2010

Here are their eight textbooks

Would you please point out the passages where they say so?
http://www.je-kaleidoscope.jp/english/index.html

 

ERIC SAUNDERS

11:31 PM ET

June 28, 2010

Chalmers Johnson wrote an interesting article...

...on Japan's looting of Asia. It sounds crazy, but he is a respected scholar and expert on Japan. The upshot is that there is more than enough money to compensate these men for their ordeal.

http://www.lrb.co.uk/v25/n22/chalmers-johnson/the-looting-of-asia

 

NICOLAS19

2:26 AM ET

June 29, 2010

Useful of not

I agree with Sam, these kind of "reparations" would never end. There were always oppressors and oppressed, war criminals and injured. When the US considered Japan useful, they gave them a pass. Now that they're struggling (or to actual POWs moaning for a big payday in addition to their pensions) the ever-silent press (as you said) suddenly considers itself the savior of the American soldiers. On Japan's expense, of course.

They needed Japan as an ally, treated them fair. Now suddenly Japan has to pay for everything. What will be next? Compensation for those very expensive weapons of mass destruction that the US "was forced to use"?!

 

DTYRA

10:07 AM ET

July 1, 2010

NICOLAS19

"What will be next? Compensation for those very expensive weapons of mass destruction that the US "was forced to use"?!"

Now there is an intriguing thought! We charge them for the entire war! Hey! How about we charge them for rebuilding their nation after we destroyed it because they attacked us and didn't stop when they had the chance? How about charging them for each American, or Allied personnel killed trying to reign in their military empire? The Japanese and the rest of the Axis powers reaped what they sowed, but instead of making them slaves as they would have us, we rebuilt their nations. Why? Why would we do something so strange sounding? Because somewhere, someone studied history and realized forcing the defeated Axis powers to pay reparations would only set in motion the move towards another world war like they did at the end of WW1.

 

DANR

5:16 AM ET

June 29, 2010

Where would it end? Well, it

Where would it end? Well, it would end in Japan and companies involved having a better notion of accountability and transparency. It would end with folks being educated. It would end with a more mature us-japan alliance. It would end in providing some acknowledgment to those remaining Pows of their suffering and personal sacrifice. It would end with Japanese citizens having a broader understanding of their own history. It would end in museums and memorials to provide future generations with information. There is no reason to believe that such benefits cannot be replicated in other contexts you mention. Perhaps Japan could then join others, such as your good selves, in advocating for a greater understanding and accountability for cruelty and oppession worldwide. No one nation or organization can claim moral high ground, we are all imperfect. But there is much to gain in consideration of an honest accounting and debate about the things we have done wrong. In that goal, there are no borders. History and contemporary affairs provide us with numerous examples of human cruelty. But there are numerous examples of where oppressor and oppressed have reconciled, benefitting both parties and providing a shining example and a hope for future generations. I applaud this article and those who ar contributing to this debate.

 

STORMWALKER

7:49 AM ET

June 29, 2010

I'm Japanese, and just let you people know

War crime is hard to recognize. And even during peace time, there are several cases of crimes committed by stationing troops against hosting nation people.

And in most cases, Japanese learn world history at mandatory junior-high school, and de-fact mandatory senior high school. And world history includes modern history.

The way imperial Japanese army and navy's treatment of western POW and citizens(for example, Dutches in "east India islands") are not so perfect, but I hope one consider there are not so much food for Japanese in the first places.

As most of historians tell us, in Myanmar and New Guinea, IJA's soldiers starved to death. And in Japanese Mainland, due to sea mines dropped by B-29 super fortress bombers, our straights and ports are blockaded, so our people are starving, too.By the way, this operation is called "Operation Starvation". So some people say you don't need A-bombs to drop on Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Yes, it is past history and no one say for sure it really needs or not.

And after Japan defeated, there is war-criminal trials held, in Japan, and almost everywhere Japan fought and retreated. Tokyo trial is famous, as political leaders and generals and admirals are tried there, but there are thousand of Japanese tried in overseas. Some of them were processed to death penalties.

I feel very sorry for those prisoners. But I'm not so sure about human rights and enlightenment things. Human being is just cruel. And war makes human being or nation or tribe or whatever cruel. Just condemning my ancestors won't make thing better, I presume.

And I guess those companies who are red-handed are worrying huge amount of compensations. In the past some of Japanese companies run into huge amount of law suits in the United States. They do have accountabilities to their stakeholders. So even though some of them recognized their responsibility, it is hard to comply.

And another agenda is it is almost 70 years ago. So legal systems could be much trouble, and currency's value got changed. So if they compensate for the face-value for POW's forced labors, it means just pennies for them. I guess they deserve much more, to say the least.

I don't know whether I myself is civilized in your way of meaning. Western cultures and civil society is quite complex for me. But will this compensation make the way to the mutual understanding between western societies (United States, United kingdom, Netherlands, France and so on)?

 

DINGYIBVS

8:55 AM ET

June 29, 2010

You guys are missing the

You guys are missing the point. People are not asking for reparations, they're asking for sincere apologies! Look at what Germany did, when Chancellor Brandt kneeled before the Warsaw Ghetto, that sent a powerful message. When will Japan acknowledge its atrocities and apologize to the millions of innocents it murdered? While there is always collateral damage in wars, systematic and brutal massacres like the Rape of Nanjing need to be acknowledged and apologized for.

 

STORMWALKER

11:38 AM ET

June 29, 2010

I have to say there is doubt whether we killed that many

Well, in Japan, in most cases people never doubt there was a Nanjing atrocities, but the scale of the incidents vary vast. Some say it amounts to three hundred thousands deceased, some say around ten thousands. Nanjing was just the day before it fell, capital city of China at that time(China has long history and there are several cities to be capital cities). As IJA division advanced, Chinese government retreat to another huge city, and although city's commander seeks to defend, chaos rein in, and command chain is collapsed.
They fought bravely at the gates, but eventually they wear off their uniforms and melted into citizens. With just a handful of soldiers and hard-pressed marching, IJA soldiers fear guerrilla warfare among citizens, and there were reports of shooting by Chinese, and then rampages.

And Japan did starve Vietnamese during occupation. But how many got starved to death is hard to tell, as it was around 70 years ago, and I doubt whether France established registry system in Indo-china back in 1940s. But we did not systematically kill them. Rather Imperial Japan's war waging machine collapsed, and they were the victims of that collapse.

I guess I ought to know this article's forced labor ex-soldiers. But how can I explain the history I see it? Our ancestors were waging war with meager resources against arsenal of western world. The truth is Japan at that time needed every able laborers to wage war.
Japan even mobilized junior high school students to factories to make war-planes and ammunitions. And Japan forced college students to be soldiers.

I know there was Dresden and concentration-camps, and just right now there are Gulags in North Korea and so on. But even if some day our political leaders apologize forced-labor POW, they won't abolish Gulags.

I personally feel very sorry for them. But history has many faces. Surely if you ask Chinese and Chinese-US citizens about Japan-China wars during 1930s, there were many different stories and agendas.

Prosecuting war crimes sometimes inhibits us from reaching the truth of past histories. War is always hell, and human being is just cruel. So inviting ex-POW to Japan and see our societies and people is just the right direction to bridge the differences between diverse standpoints.

We never know what will happen after we apologize. And no matter how sincere we apologize, ex-soldiers pains and troubles won't go away. We wasted his youth in POW camp.

 

JKOLAK

9:32 AM ET

June 29, 2010

Leave it in the past

The tit for tat in the comments section is a perfect illustration of the futility of digging up the past.

The Japan that committed these atrocities is gone. It was defeated in World War 2.

What is the meaning of today's Japan even apologizing for the atrocities? They were not there. They did not commit them. It was the old Japan that was at fault. If the old Japan had apologized and made restitution, that would have meant something. But they are gone. They paid the ultimate restitution by their defeat in war.

How many of the conflicts in the world are based on countries that cannot leave the past in the past? How would we feel if Germany suddenly started making claims for it's pre-war borders? How do we feel when people suggest we give America back to the Indians?

Please, people, let's leave the past in the past. Look at the difference between Germany after WWI and Germany after WWII. The reparations extracted only fueled the resentment that led to WWII. After WWII we did the more Christian thing and paid to rebuild their country notwithstanding some reparations, which must have been minor compared to the aid rendered.

 

JORDANC

3:06 PM ET

June 29, 2010

Curious

Has the U.S. ever "officially" apologized for the fire bombings that were committed on the populations of Japanese cities? You can say they don't have to because it was war, but these were designed for absolute destruction - and the civilian population was as much a target as any military installations. My point is that the Pacific theatre was god-awful in the atrocities committed on each side. It seems kind of absurd that the U.S. would want a "sincere apology" when we certainly have just as much blood on our hands. I'm not saying America is evil or anything like that (I don't want to give the wrong impression) only that war is a bitch and both sides do terrible things. If an apology is warranted, it should be done by both sides.

 

JOE GRIM

3:47 PM ET

June 29, 2010

Reality Check

American Apartheid, i.e., Jim Crow, ended decades after the end of World War II. Where is the discussion of reparations to African Americans who suffered or lost family members under that cruel system? Where are the reparations to citizens of countries where we overthrew democratically elected governments, or propped up strong men like Pinochet, Suharto and Franco?

America ought to check the splinters in it's own eye before lecturing the rest of the world.

 

MAREO2

11:18 PM ET

June 29, 2010

Unfinished acountability for war crimes?

Lets talk about justice, about what is right and wrong. Unit 731 did experiments on living human beings. Undeniable wrong things. Something that deserve to be hanged for. Did the americans hanged any of them? No. They made a deal in exchange of useful chemical and bacteriological weapons. Do the US is going to pay reparations to the chinese for let these monsters walk free from jail and earning benifits from the suffering of inocent chinese civilians?

 

STORMWALKER

5:13 AM ET

June 30, 2010

another maelstrom surrounds UNIT 731

There is huge debate about this unit in Japan. During 1980s, famous (some say infamous) book published, and this UNIT suddenly appears from dark side of history.
As for Nanjing atrocities, most Japanese agree that it happened, but disagree with how much people killed there.

But with UNIT 731, some say they never tried "live-human being experiments". And in most cases, those days documents were destroyed when Japan lost war and surrendered. Yes, officials and soldiers were afraid of prosecution. So blaming war crime suddenly makes thing difficult for the next generation to understand what happens. But I also understand and feel sorry for ex-POWs and all those suffering of Asian people under Japan's occupation.

I hope Chinese citizens are aware of our economical supports for the past several decades.
Some of the reasons we did that is our ancestors faults during 1930s and 40s. And now, China has established its self-trust and try to ascend peacefully among world.

But I never speak for my country. It is totally different matter. Starting every negotiation from the stand point of war-criminal is really hard. Every encounters and troubles mean another chances of sincere apologies and repatriations. This makes huge burden for the next generations.

Anyway, I really thank you this article's author. Gaining attention towards us Japanese gives precious first step to introduce our standpoint of views. During 1980s, Japanese are called "economic animals" and we live in "rabbit warren". And Japanese electric appliance are smashed by congressmen with sledge hammers. Things turned to much better now, I guess.

 

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June 30, 2010

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BOBCHEN

8:14 AM ET

June 30, 2010

Welcome Stormwalker to FP

Stormwalker,

It's good to see a Japanese perspective on FP, it really balances out the viewpoints quite well. I'm speaking as a Chinese-American, my father's side of the family who lived through the occupation of Manchuria, and my mother's side who lived around Nanjing during WWII. I have older relatives who lived through those times who absolutely HATE the Japanese.

I'm more ambivalent on the issue, however, because my viewpoint is very similar to yours. War is hell. It's dirty, ugly, and brutal. And the early-to-mid 20th century saw war at it's most destructive in human history. So while Tojo and his cronies don't get a pass, it should be necessary to understand the context of the time, where concepts like miltarism, facism, and ethno-nationalism were extraordinarily popular everwhere (including amoung the Allies nations).

Every powerful nation or empire has screwed some some smaller nation or peoples up during their rise. Strong tribes eat up weaker tribes, history teaches us that. So while it's good to remember history and understand its implications, it makes no sense to constantly apologize for every single transgression that your tribe has made. This is one aspect of modern Western culture that I still don't grasp, this guilt thing. It's guilt, guilt, guilt, for sins of the father. Guilt that can't reverse past crimes, nor give comfort to its victims. Guilt for the sake of guilt.

I don't want Japan to be like that, to be like Germany, where nationalist pride is at best, a taboo, and at worst, a crime. I've seen where that leads to, Political Correctness to an absurd level, people and politicians walking on eggshells to not offend anyone, translating to self-detrimental cultural and demographic politices. This element of Western society is toxic, and Japan should have none of that. It's not enough that Japan is a capitalistic, democratic nation. The misguided egalitarian-lords of the West now wants to convert Japan to Cult of Guilt. Lord knows what awaits China, the land of my heritage, when they eventually democratizes and opens up fully to the West. Hanging your head low and feeling sorry is no way to live. It is unnatural, it is an abomination.

So yes, my family have been deeply affected by the Japanese invasion, and it probably affects me on an emotional level. But on principle, I would fight for your right to be proud of your nation, your history, and your heritage.

 

STORMWALKER

7:18 AM ET

July 1, 2010

about Yasukuni shrine

Talking about Tojo, it automatically relates to Yasukuni Shrine.

Yasukuni shrine is not for our past victories against Japan's enemies. It is for those deceased during wars. So in itself, there is not so much to disturb other Asian country's citizens.

And Tojo is not so politically strong as Hitler. Hitler is absolutely dictator, he was prime-minister and war-commander and have vast powerful political party and its wings under his control. Tojo was prime-minister, and secretary of army for a while, but eventually he was forced to step down by other political leaders during war.

Anyway, Tojo never ordered genocide of Jewish people or thing like that. All his faults was he could not stop wars. As a country relying on US economy, as we imported factory assembly line machines, oils, irons from US, and also the biggest importer of Japanese trade goods were US, from the hindsight of view, Japan had no choice but try to make hard choices.

One of the theme of this article is the relation between US, China, and Japan.
As for Japan,
1) Japan should not make power vacuum in North-East Asia
2) Japan should not make China and US to collide
3) Japan should try to seek mutual trust and understanding between US and China

But what matter is United State's decision. North Korea understands this well, and they seek direct negotiation with US at almost any costs. And they are really good at it.

I have read Tom Ricks' Best Defense almost every day. And learning a lot about US and its armed forces. But it is sad there is not so much talks about Futenma (or Hutenma) among US policymakers and its circles.

The other day, I read Eugene Sledge's war chronicle about Okinawa and Peleliu in Japanese translated version. This article reminds me that there were those survived and have written down to tell. On Peleliu island, my local communities' grandfathers' generation fought and were killed. If you happen to come to Japan, please visit local memorial site, it tells the names of those killed.

 

DO335

11:38 AM ET

July 1, 2010

Japan Forced to start war?

Most of your comments are thoughtful and reasoned, but I think you are ignoring some factors.
Let me understand this, Japan had no choice but to start the war because of economic sanctions? Do you forget the sanctions were put on Japan because they invaded China and refused to leave? Japan had many choices and chose war.

Your comments on the atomic bomb are amazing. You believe it wasn't necessary to drop them after reading Sledge's book? The Japanese had lost most of their territory, their cities were firebombed to ashes, American battleships were shelling coastal towns with impunity but they still fought to the last man in Okinawa? Any society that wasn't unhinged would have decided long before this point that the war was lost but they kept fighting. Except with hindsight you enjoy now, why would anyone in 1945 believe Japan would eventually surrender without invasion of Japan and/or the atomic bomb? The atomic bomb saved 1000's of American lives and millions of Japanese lives. The Japanese historians should finally acknowledge dropping it was the best outcome for them considering what would have happened if they weren't dropped. We had the ability to kill the same number of civilians without the atomic bomb, the bomb finally allowed some of the leadership to save face and end the war.

 

WASHT

5:29 PM ET

July 1, 2010

The Bomb

Are you also advocating that the bomb was used on purely civilian targets?

 

STORMWALKER

1:04 AM ET

July 2, 2010

to DO335

It is really hard to explain why Japan chose war against US. And part of the reason Japan would not retreat from North-eastern part of continental China was Japan had already lost many souls there. Japan fought Russo-Japan war there, and also we fought First Sino-Japanese war in Korean Peninsula.

As most of Asia and Africa and South-America were already some other countries colonies, if Japan seek markets and resources, there was no choice but occupying its neighbors. From hindsight view, colonization is not what nation ought to do, but at that time, if we didn't have one, there was no way to ascend among international societies.

So we began warfare against China during 1930s, and US intervened as US already conquered Philippines and seek to enter continental China.
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About atomic bomb dropping
As a matter of fact, it is not only Japanese, but soviets or Chinese tried to resist to the last man. And in US, there is Custer the 7th Cavalry, and Alamo.
And what makes the last straw to break the camel's back is the invasion of Manchuria by soviets. Until then, Japan tried conditional surrender through the Soviets, and there was also under-surface negotiation taking place in Switzerland. But as allied power already determined that nothing but unconditional surrender would not be accepted, it was vain.

The reason to drop A-bomb on Hiroshima and Nagasaki is showing deterrence power against Soviets. Also, they have to test in battlefield to know the effects of atomic bombs on cities.

At August 1945, IJN's capital ships were almost all sunken, and rests were in port without fuels to sail. And Allied (US and UK, Australia and so on ) carrier task forces roaming freely near Japan, and nothing inhibits US submarines to sink all the left of Japan's merchants ships. So how can you expect Japan to resist? Japan could not move troops among islands chain, and although some war-planes were left, no match against skilled allied pilots and its planes.

Anyway, IJA's tanks, artilleries were inferior to USA's ones. Logistics were problem also. And already they learned Japan's operational arts and tactics, from Southern islands to Okinawa. So there was no chance IJA could kill millions of GI on mainland.

I know in US, people do think that to save millions of GI lives, we have no choice but to drop A-bombs. In reality it is not. I never blame US for this. But it is just a move for post-WW2 cold war. And this is the reason why international societies try really hard to abolish or contain nuclear arms, and some of countries seek to gain it. Because human being has reason and have sanity, they try to acquire nukes, and once they got chances to hold it, they already found the reason to use it.

It is really assuring to know that US in the past, Kennedy administration did the right decisions during Cuban crisis. And also, it is fact of life Japan is under nuclear umbrella of US. But what makes me concern is US citizens are still thinking in this way. It feels like situation demands and force US policy makers to use nukes, but in reality, it is not. They were full of reason and sanity, and to protect their country's best interest, they chose to drop bombs. although there could be another choices.

 

STORMWALKER

1:16 AM ET

July 2, 2010

to washit

We fought total war against US. It was struggle for existence, so to say from the standpoint of Japanese political leaders.

And United States already bombed and destroyed war-plane engine factories, oil-refinery plants by then.

But in every war, both side's action just escalate to the maxim point of brutal use of power. In Pacific war, there were rarely hindrances. And this applies every level of war, from tactical levels to operation levels and strategical level.

So if you watch HBO's "Pacific", there was gruesome depictions of US marines, I have heard. It is hard to explain why they did it (at the end of the day, Sledge was full of reasons and well-established and later become college professor), but all I can say is human being is cruel and brutal.

So just blaming Curtis LeMey and bomber Harris (the commander who said to fire-bombed Dresden) is not a good answer to what happened. I just hope to put in their shoes and seek the reason behind their decision with limited informations about its enemies, and all the chaos surrounds ones.

 

MICHAEL ALI

12:18 AM ET

July 1, 2010

Meaning of A-Bomb

One plane one city was a really big scary senario. Allthough Jablonski in his "air Wars" tells me 16 sq miles of Tokyo burned off face of earth .It took Lemay to have squadrons of B-29's or what ever with thier fire bombs to accomplish. So that is why the 2 Bombs were more significant in terms to scare Japan into surrender-NO? They didn't surrender after Tokyo?

 

WESTERN1

12:24 AM ET

July 1, 2010

What's the point?

What possible good does it do anyone other than the person who got paid to write this article, to bring this up after 65 years? All this does is get people riled up and fired up over something that will never be resolved. If we must be convinced to be angry about something, let's at least make it something that we can take actual action on and do something about. Old injustices abound by the dozens and hundreds and people are still fighting over wrongs committed hundreds of years ago.

If the Japs will never offer apologies and compensation for their atrocities, and we know they won't, then for you who bear anger against them, console yourselves with the knowledge that what we did to them with the two atomic bombs was far worse than what they did to captured servicemen. They still suffer from the effects of radiation to this day and as far as I'm concerned, that's good. They deserve it after the literal rape of China, Korea and Korean women, and prisoners of war. So be of good cheer and let go of your grudge against them. They very definitely got theirs.

 

MICHAEL ALI

12:26 AM ET

July 1, 2010

The POW's

I think I understand how to the POW's may seem like it was just yesterday Hopefully that can get what they want from the Jap companys before they are all gone.

 

STORMWALKER

7:46 AM ET

July 1, 2010

compensation, restitution

I sincerely hope Dr. Tenney's anger against Japan is treated well. But how can Japan compensate him? I doubt no matter how much money and treasure to spend, we cannot rectify it.

What is the right thing to do, as I am sure I want to and ought to show respect to Dr. Tenney?

 

LONELY TRADER

2:29 AM ET

July 1, 2010

Rediculous

Nobody has anything to apologize for. This was simply an emotional appeal from a few POWs. They had their lives turned upside down -- but this is the nasty business of war and statecraft. I take exception to JonChen's characterization of the West. It is dead wrong and suspect there is not a little bit of bigotry in his words. Chen should move absolutely move to China, since that is where his true fealties lie. But that notwithstanding, most of us "Westerners" are not interested in making any nation apologize for what was a horrid afair for everyone. This is simply an emotion appeal and a poignant one -- and one that could be written from almost any perspective, in almost any era.

Bottom line: Sorry Tenney. You're not the only one to have experienced the tragedy and atrocities of war. It's time to move on. It's time for YOU to forgive. And perhaps also, to think about what your own government has done for you lately.

 

BOBCHEN

8:01 AM ET

July 1, 2010

Tired of responding to small minds

It's BOB Chen, as in Robert. Not Jon. If that is what you got out of my post, then I question your reading comprehension skills (or lack thereof).
First of all, I was characterizing a segment of modern Western society that is self-defacing and self-destructive, not the entire West. Call this the "PC left", if you must, but this simplistic title betrays the overall complexity and subtly of the phenomena. If I am bigoted at anything, it is those who are anti-West. I consider the most insidious threat to Western dignity (and survival) is the guilt-peddlers and self-doubters, many of whom are in positions of influence. I have no problem with the pleas of the POWs, it was the tone of this article ("Japan needs to keep paying for WWII") and some of its commenters that I was responding to. I saw this as exporting the same poison the West is swallowing to other societies, ones as accomplished as Japan's, and I called them on it.
Second of all, if you read my post or any of my previous ones, I never tried to hide who I am. I am proud of my heritage, as my neighbors, co-workers, friends, and fellow church-goers are of theirs, whether it is Chinese, Irish, English, German, Italian, Polish, Japanese, etc. I feel this is a natural thing, a good thing, and I encourage it. I am a product of Chinese roots and American upbringing, and immensely proud of both. I make no apologies for either of them. I question the sincerity of your demands that I move to China. Are you angry that I stood up for my principles? Or that the task of defending Western civilization falls to a child of non-Western immigrants like me because people like you lack the spine to do so?

 

WASHT

11:08 AM ET

July 1, 2010

Guilt, etc.

To BobChen:
You do not appreciate "guilt peddlers". And you are a church-goer. The church must be of some rarer variety, I suppose.

 

LONELY TRADER

11:56 AM ET

July 1, 2010

Rediculous, bob

I'm a US Marine. And you're a bigot. "I'm not a racist. I have lots of friends who are Irish..."

 

BOBCHEN

12:25 PM ET

July 1, 2010

Washt: My church taught me to

Washt:

My church taught me to accept the fact that I am a flawed human being, to live my life as best as I can despite the fact and pursue a closer relationship with God. There was one man who was without flaw, and concerned Himself with the sins of his fellow man, and He died on the cross for it. I am pretty sure this is the standard fare that is taught in churches all over the world. It's about self-improvement, living a happier, fuller life, not about guilt or self-pity.

Lonely Trader:

Maybe I missed it, but you will have to point out in my previous posts where I slandered the Irish or any other ethnicity. Maybe you thought that my pro-Western rant was really an anti-Western rant because I happen to not like Westerners that shame and disparage their own culture and civilization (and spread it elsewhere). Is that what it comes down to? You equating all of Western culture with PC-leftism? Are you and your fellow Marines fighting and dying overseas for Political Correctness? If you are truly a Marine, then I appreciate the service you are performing for our country. But that is no excuse for idiocy.

 

BOBCHEN

12:44 PM ET

July 1, 2010

Addendum

Lonely Trader,

Look, I've re-read through our exchange and I realized something. My rant against the PC-ness in the West may have seem to you to carry into the issues concerning the POWs. Which, as a serviceman, may have hit a raw nerve with you.
I want to make the issue clear that I was NOT referring to the POWs at all, but to the self-haters in the West. I do believe that the POWs, being direct victims, have every right and claim to their appeal. You will not find me disagree with you on that end. So let's keep those two issues separate.
So before you start claiming that I hate the troops. Realize that I really don't do this often, having to correct myself like this. My ego won't usually let me. Count this as my appreciation for the men and women in the service.

Sincerely,
Robert Chen, A Pretty Friendly and Patriotic Guy, Really...

 

WASHT

5:43 PM ET

July 1, 2010

The guilt

To Bob:
I understand. The concept of the original sin is not that dissimilar in nature (and purpose) from what gives you the hives, though.

 

WASHT

6:00 PM ET

July 1, 2010

The Trader

To Bob:
Regarding the Lonely Trader's remarks, he is smart and gets your point. He just has to learn to disagree politely.

 

WILLIAMTHECONQUERER

4:03 AM ET

July 1, 2010

POW'S

One of the Fathers of a friend I grew up with was a submariner depth bombed to the surface, USS Griffen, and spent the war in captivity.War is f**ked up, as the previous comment suggested, don't go there. What a novel approach to conflict resolution. The atrocities of all sides are legend. As the bombing of Dresden, and the atrocities of Mei Lei, war is f**ked up, don't go there. If we do go there expect some deaths. And when we are done bleeding we will stop. Gen. Giap.

 

DUNCEDETECTOR

6:47 PM ET

July 1, 2010

There was no submarine by that name...

There was however a submarine tender name Griffin, but being a surface ship it was never "depth bombed to the surface" and it made it through the war without any crew member becoming a Japanese prisoner.

 

WILLIAMTHECONQUERER

4:28 AM ET

July 1, 2010

pay backs

A very under reported fact of the "war" is that a company in Kansas was the manufacturer of "Cyclon B". They shipped tonns of this stuff to the Germans untill the Germans made their own. Now this begs the Question? What kind of a bug problem does Germany have ?Cyclon B was and still is an insecticide. Now as far as who holds the record for killing Jews the award wouild have to go to Stalin. His policies accounted for the killing of 110 millioin Russians of which 20 to 30 milliom where Jews. Hitler is good for 16 million of which 6 to 7 million where Jews. The rest where undesireables, so poof up the chimney you go. Norwiegens, Poles, Catholics, et al.

War is and will always be a rather sordid affair, with enough villians to around for every body. Enough Said.

 

DUNCEDETECTOR

6:12 PM ET

July 1, 2010

Where do you get your so called facts, or do you make them up?

"Cyclon B", otherwise known as Zyclon B was developed by a company called Degesch, which stands for Deutsche Gesellschaft für Schädlingsbekämpfung mbH according to Reichspatentamt #DE 438818 which they applied for on June 20, 1922 and received December 27, 1926. It was produced for them by Dessauer Werke für Zucker and Chemische Werke.

Does any of that sound like it took place in Kansas?

 

KONRADE

3:06 PM ET

July 1, 2010

My grandfather

I never met my Grandfather on my Mom's side. He was a civilian contractor captured on Wake Island early in the war and died of abuse in a Japanese prisoner of war camp in China.

Teeth gnashing, bygones being bygones, whatever...

My best friend growing up was Japanese and his grandparents were in internment camps in the US. It never crossed my mind that I should blame him for his heritage, because he was an American first.

Later, I married a woman from Guam whose Grandfather was beheaded in front of his family by a Japanese officer because he refused to lower an American flag where he was posted when the Japanese took over. Many other horror stories came out of that occupation as well.

We as Americans tend to demonize ourselves for our wrongdoings, so I don't think we have as much of a problem coming to grips with what we have done, but we do have a problem coming to grips with what others have done to us. Others such as countries other entities such as militant Islamic organizations.

So stop apologizing for being American and trying to find some way to show that we were worse than the people who are the subjects of articles like this. Evil shows no preferential treatment to any nationality, religion, or race. It can take hold of anyone, anywhere, anytime in the guise of righteous vengeance.

 

EBAGSELLER

2:47 AM ET

July 2, 2010

Such a wonderful post

ebagseller

Such a wonderful post,
Thank you for the list and the great source of info!

 

THE MEDITANT

5:06 AM ET

July 2, 2010

Ever heard of Operation

Ever heard of Operation Keelhaul which was carried out by Britain, Soviet Union & the US? How about the prisoner of war camps in which hundreds of thousands of German prisoners were systematically starved and frozen to death - forced into concentration camps where they were stripped naked and kept out in the cold 24/7 even in the dead of winter. Anyone throwing a cookie or slice of bread over the fence was shot to death. It was open season on rape and torture of German civilians. It is possibly one of the most notorious periods of mass rape in history. The rapists were Soviet, British and American. Nobody went to jail for it except one black soldier who was hung. Anyone heard of Dresden? Hiroshima? Nagasaki? Korea? There was nothing squeaky clean about the Americans or British. All participants were perpetrators of atrocities against captured soldiers and civilians. When bringing up the story of atrocities of and after WWII, it is wise to talk about all the atrocities. Stories like the above make the Japanese or the Germans look like the only brutes in town.

 

FRWL

7:14 AM ET

July 2, 2010

to WILLIAMTHECONQUERER

Thank you! You made my day. I was wondering while reading discussion where are you guys, stupid enough to mention such amounts.

year 1987 - Russian Empire - 125 640 021 ppl
year 1926 - USSR - 147 027 915 ppl (Jews - 2 599 973)

OMG! That damn Stalin killed with his policies almost all citizens of USSR and imported 18-28 mlns of Jews to kill them too! Hmm.. Together with WWII victims I must admit that ALL citizens were killed. I live in country of ghosts now... I'd like to say - it's overcrouded :D

I love you man!

 

FRWL

7:37 AM ET

July 2, 2010

We in Russia have some

We in Russia have some experience with all these sincere apologies for past (though Germans suffered of it much more). And I'd like to say that apologies are considered as sigh of weakness even if they were made with open heart and good will. It's correct for people and for countries.

In historical matters don't apologize and don't ask for apologies. With friends it's not necessary, with foes it's harmful. Friends can turn to foes and vice-versa. Live with present and future, learn lessons from past and let past rest in peace.

 

NEARHOUSTON

10:14 AM ET

July 2, 2010

German POWs in Nebraska

The experiences described are an interesting contrast to those of the German soldiers who during WWII were POWs in Nebraska on my grandparents' farm. The family's first language was German, so they understood the prisoners. My aunt, a glamorous college girl at the time, commented many years later that she marvelled that she'd been able to be in the potato cellar unarmed, alone with the German prisoners, and she was safe. They must not have been treated too badly, because after the war my relatives received thank-you notes and gifts from prisoners who'd been on their farm.

To me, that's an example of how prisoners should be treated: humanely, with food, fresh air, shelter and work. It wasn't luxury, but it certainly wasn't the torture that many POWs have experienced in many places.

 

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