CENTCOM first impressed me when GEN Petraeus warned that the Israel-Palestinian conflict was fueling extremism. Now this Red Team report confirms that CENTCOM has some bright thinkers.

The report sounds like good theory, but I don't think you could ever get Hamas to renounce violence. Given the cultural milieu, I also don't know what chance you might have to separate the Palestinian populace from Hamas' ideology on the destruction of Israel.

Are the Terrorists paying you to write this stuff? You are right where they are.
"the area on the verge of a perpetual humanitarian collapse" , how could a responsible journalist or reasearcher write such things although are a quote by someone else we all get the point, it is an absolute lie there is no humanaterian crisis, the only crisis is the one in the media's imagination and lies.
What if I said that Israeli Intelligence officials think it is a good Idea to talk to AL Qaeda, how does that sound, do you think they will take the deal.
Let me explain something to you mr journalist writer, these are muslim fanatics which are driven by religous ideology, Israel has left Lebanon and the Hizbullah has no reason to exist , Israel has left the gaza strip before the siege and we saw what that did when you have Al qaeda on the Mexican and Canadian boarder with ballistic misslies you can try to be friends with them and make them a "political party". I am not saying not to talk to them, if they show pragmatizm than why not, but fanatics don't just become political parties and stop their terrorists ways even if the nice U.S administration and some generals will be nice to them and talk to them.
HOw can you give them such legitimecy? Unified Palestinian force, you know about tribal honor? The hamas and fatach are not friends for 3 years already, they had plenty of chances yet their sponsors in Syria and Iran will not approve of the deal.
You want to get rid of the problem in the middle east stop the Iranian regime from sponsoring and supplying terror groups. stop the syrian terror training and support and Ibet you the world will be a better place.

> the two groups are "pragmatic and opportunistic."

Which is another way of saying they'll do whatever it takes while outsiders delude themselves.
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I strongly recommend Paul Berman's book "Flight of the Intellectuals". It's important to see documented evidence of the duplicity these groups employ. They're not looking to retire to Caribbean islands - they're playing for keeps and their serious about seizing power and undermining not just Israel but the other regional powers.
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We're not required to be their suckers.

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HAMAS and Hizballah are both considered extremist and rejectionist parties to any peace plan in the region between Israel and the neighboring Arab states.
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Such a position was highlighted several months ago when the journal Foreign Affairs published an article on how to manage HAMAS, noting that wishful thinking in the West and actual changes on the ground, had in fact, not moderated HAMAS ideology.
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So why this change in belief in CENTCOM. What is it about the ideology and leadership of both HAMAS and Hizballah, that has changed.
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Reality is, while each group may have their own drives and goals, both answer to superiors in Tehran, notably Iran's Revolutionary Guard. Iran has been quite blunt in its regional plans, including what place Israel has in them.
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This quote "The Red Team also claims that reconciliation with Fatah, when coupled with Hamas's explicit renunciation of violence, would gain "widespread international support and deprive the Israelis of any legitimate justification to continue settlement building and delay statehood negotiations." " needs to be justified given that HAMAS and Fatah continue to remain at war with each other, and that HAMAS continues to reject any renunciation of violence. Indeed, a rejection of violence is one of the demands put forth by the Quartet and Israel for ending the blockade, so the idea that a HAMAS that legitimately rejects violence and accepts Israel as a Jewish state, and reconciles with the PA, all conditions of removing the blockade (the safe return of Gilad Shalit being the fourth condition), the idea that Israel would lose support has little meaning. What it means is that HAMAS would finally adhere to the conditions set forth by peace negotiatiors, well, for peace.

Granted, the spelling 'Hizballah' is closer to the Arabic for this concept, but
the note at the end of the article is "To avoid confusion, this story uses the spelling “Hizballah” throughout, although Hezbollah is FP’s preferred spelling."
What is the nature of the confusion that is in question here? Is it to distinguish
the Lebanese/Palestinian scene from the Iranian one (where Hezbollah is
the Persian style of pronunciation but might also relate to the Lebanese)??
If anyone knows what the FP folks (or Lee Smith) have in mind, please
comment.

Hizballah is the spelling used in the CENTCOM document and is kept throughout the piece, though FP's preferred spelling is Hezbollah.

In order to make peace, one must first see one's enemy as a human being instead of demonizing him. Doing so makes dialogue possible, the identification of mutual interests, and permits compromise that benefits both sides. It is very encouraging (and surprising) to learn that our military stategists are now considering initiatives which could prove to be far more productive than what we have thus far seen. (Maybe our civilian leadership will listen to them instead of to the Israel Lobby and the Israeli government.) Great article!

Jews as people other than the descendents of pigs and monkeys.
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Unfortunately, that's what passes for 'civilian' leadership in Lebanon and Gaza.

True Tell, did we both read the same article??? What Perry is describing re: CENTCOM thinking represents in my opinion a sea change in our approach to the middle east. Bringing Hezbollah and Hamas into the process and including them in a negotiated settlement is totally different from the current position of the US and Israeli governments. It is ironic that it apparently takes military folks to sensibly wage peace in this country, as vs. our elected "leaders," who are-as you say-in the pocket of the Lobby. Of course we must be liberated from the "Israeli stranglehold." CENTCOM's leaking of this very constructive possible new approach is one further step in that liberation.

Can You Pass The Hamas Quiz at: http://www.countercurrents.org/rudolph250610.htm

Wealth of information provided.

The CENTCOM intelligence officers that wrote this report are probably partisan political hacks masquerading as objective analysts of intelligence. The Obama administration probably pressured CENTCOM to write this report, because Obama wants to "engage" with the Islamic world. But the United States, Israel, and their allies shouldn't work with Hamas and Hezbollah until the two terrorist organizations totally renounce their use of violence and recognize Israel's right to exist as an independent Jewish state. And it would have been nice if Mark Perry had interviewed somebody who didn't agree with the Red Team report.

In this article: "In the wake of the Gaza flotilla incident, Israeli Deputy Foreign Minister Daniel Ayalon said that those on board the Mavi Marmara, the scene of the May 31 showdown between Israeli commandos and largely Turkish activists, had ties to "agents of international terror, international Islam, Hamas, al Qaeda and others." The same senior officer wasn't impressed. "Putting Hizballah, Hamas, the Muslim Brotherhood and al Qaeda in the same sentence, as if they are all the same, is just stupid," he said. "I don't know any intelligence officer at CENTCOM who buys that." "

It was the senior officer that was stupid, not the Israeli Deputy Foreign Minister. The minister never said that all of those Islamic terrorist groups are exactly the same. The minister simply listed the groups, and the officer jumped to the conclusion that the minister believed that the terrorist groups are one and the same. But even though all those Islamic terrorist groups do have different objectives, they do have a lot in common, such as hatred for Israel, America, the West, Jews, and Christians.

In this article: "The most interesting aspects of the report deal with Hizbollah.The Red Team downplays the argument that the Lebanese Shiite group acts as a proxy for Iran. The report includes a quote from Hizballah Secretary-General Hassan Nasrallah, stating that if Lebanon and Iran's interests ever conflicted, his organization would favor Lebanese interests. "Hizballah's activities increasingly reflect the movement's needs and aspirations in Lebanon, as opposed to the interests of its Iranian backers," the report concludes. It also criticizes Israel's August 2006 war against Hizballah as counterproductive. "Instead of exploiting Hizballah's independent streak ... Israeli actions in Lebanon may have had the reverse effect of tightening its bonds with Iran," the authors note. "

The authors of the report contradict themselves here when they say that Hezbollah's recent activities support Lebanon rather than Iran and then the authors say that Israel's 2006 war against Hezbollah in Lebanon drove Hezbollah closer to Iran. And nobody ever said that Hezbollah's first priority wasn't what Hezbollah itself wanted, but what Iran or other Lebanese wanted.

In this article:"CENTCOM officers note that Israel's strategy of keeping Gaza under siege also keeps "the area on the verge of a perpetual humanitarian collapse" -- a policy that the intelligence report says "may be radicalizing more people, especially the young, increasing the number of potential recruits" for the organization. The report argues that an Israeli decision to lift the siege might pave the way for reconciliation between Fatah and Hamas, which would be "the best hope for mainstreaming Hamas." The Red Team also claims that reconciliation with Fatah, when coupled with Hamas's explicit renunciation of violence, would gain "widespread international support and deprive the Israelis of any legitimate justification to continue settlement building and delay statehood negotiations." "

Any humanitarian crisis in Gaza is due to the Hamas terrorist rulers there stealing humanitarian aid that was meant for the common people that really needed it. That's why Israel wanted the "peace" flotilla to dock in Israel instead of Gaza. The Israelis didn't want the aid to go to the terrorists, and the Israelis would have made sure that the aid got to the people that needed it through the secure Israeli supply route into Gaza. The CENTCOM Red Team report claims that violence perpetrated by Hamas toward Israel is because of Israel's blockade of Gaza and that if Israel ended its blockade then Hamas would magically renounce its use of violence. But Israel blockades Gaza because Hamas attacked Israel, not the other way around. And Hamas has been perpetrating violence against Israel since the organization's founding. Hamas is never going to renounce its use of violence unless it has a drastic change in leadership, similar to Gorbachev in the Soviet Union. And any radicalizing of more people in Gaza is because of the Hamas terrorists. This radicalizing would happen even if Israel ended its blockade of Gaza.

In this article: "In supporting the creation of a unified Palestinian security service, CENTCOM's Red Team distances itself from the U.S. effort to provide training to the Fatah-controlled security forces in the West Bank, which began during George W. Bush's administration. While that effort, currently headed by Lt. Gen. Keith Dayton, is not mentioned specifically in the report, the Red Team makes it clear that it believes that such initiatives will fail unless the Israelis and Palestinians negotiate an end to the conflict. While Dayton and the administration are focused on building a "National Security Force" in the West Bank that excludes Hamas, and jails its members, the focus of Palestinians is elsewhere. "But all Palestinians are watching the clashes in East Jerusalem, which continue to feed into the Palestinians perception the Israelis are incapable of negotiating in good faith," according to the report. CENTCOM's implicit criticism of Dayton is not a surprise: the general's program is controversial among some senior military officers, who question an effort that, in Palestinian perceptions, makes the U.S. a partner in the Israeli occupation.

This ,may be one of the most idiotic things I have ever read before. If the U.S.'s training of Palestinian Authority security forces in the West Bank makes the U.S. a partner in the Israeli occupation, according to some senior military officers, then that would also make the Palestinian Authority a partner in the occupation of its own territory! I'm sure this is what the Hamas terrorists believe, as they are against the Palestinian Authority. And many people criticize the U.S. government for being too one sided in favor of Israel and for allowing the Israelis to hijack our foreign policy. But if we just listened to the focus of Palestinians and Palestinian perceptions, as the CENTCOM Red Team report implies, then we would become too one sided in favor of the Palestinians and allow the Palestinians to hijack our foreign policy.

In this article: "According to a senior CENTCOM officer, while the CENTCOM Red Team report has been read by outgoing CENTCOM chief Gen. David Petraeus, it's unknown whether its recommendations have been passed on to the White House. Even so, there's little question the report reflects the thinking among a significant number of senior officers at CENTCOM headquarters -- and among senior CENTCOM intelligence officers and analysts serving in the Middle East. And while any "Red Team" report by definition reflects a view that is contrary to accepted policy, a CENTCOM senior officer told me that -- so far as he knows -- there is, in fact, no parallel "Blue Team" report contradicting the Red Team's conclusion. "Well, that's not exactly right," this senior officer added. "The Blue Team is the Obama administration."

I'm sure the Obama White House had the recommendations even before CENTCOM had them. And even though the report may reflect the thinking of a significant number of CENTCOM intelligence officers, I'm sure it doesn't reflect the thinking of all them or even most of them. While that CENTCOM senior officer said that there was no "Blue Team" report contradicting the Red Team's conclusion, for all we know, the Obama administration didn't allow the resources needed to be able to write a Blue Team report. If I was somebody in the military brass, I'd probably want a report on both sides of a controversial issue. And when that senior officer said that the Blue Team is the Obama administration, I'm sure that's what Obama wants people to think.

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