Unsettled

Barack Obama and Benjamin Netanyahu may manage to paper over their differences next week, but deep disagreements remain -- Israel's settlements foremost among them.

BY BARBARA SLAVIN | JULY 2, 2010

Just days before a scheduled fence-mending visit to Washington by Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, I received an email from the Jerusalem Post that invited me to move to territory that most of the world considers occupied Arab land.

The email, titled "Enhanced financial assistance for Aliyah to Israel's North in 2010," promised up to $14,000 in cash and numerous other benefits ("aliyah" is the term for when Diaspora Jews move to Israel). The email showed a smiling young mother and daughter looking out over a vista of red tile-roofed houses, rolling green hills, and a large lake.

A few clicks revealed that the Golan Heights -- which Israel captured from Syria in the 1967 war -- is among the "northern" communities seeking prospective immigrants.

Elsewhere on the site of Nefesh B'Nefesh -- which means "Soul-to-Soul" and is the Israeli organization promoting the initiative -- was a map that linked to numerous settlements in the West Bank that are also available for newcomers. Rather like old Palestinian maps that did not acknowledge the state of Israel, the Nefesh B'Nefesh illustration omits Israel's pre-1967 "Green Line" border and any reference to the Golan Heights, West Bank, or Gaza.

Settlements were the cause of the Obama administration's last big blowup with the Netanyahu government, during Vice President Joe Biden's trip to Israel in February, and are likely to remain the biggest obstacle to restarting Israeli-Palestinian peace talks.

Netanyahu, due to meet with President Barack Obama July 6 to make up for a session canceled after the May 31 Gaza-bound flotilla fiasco, announced a 10-month moratorium on new settlement construction last November in large part due to U.S. pressure. But the moratorium permits completion of projects already started as of Nov. 25 and excludes the Golan Heights and East Jerusalem, both of which Israel has annexed but whose status in international law remains that of land occupied during a war. According to a report by Peace Now and its American sister organization, Americans for Peace Now, there was a "33% spike in building starts" in occupied territories on the eve of the moratorium, "effectively inoculating the settlers in advance so that they would feel little or no effect."

Unless the moratorium is extended beyond its scheduled expiration on Sept. 26, Peace Now states, "these past 10 months will have had no significance on the ground -- either in terms of settlement construction (which never stopped) or political impact.... Worse still, the moratorium may actually end up having laid the groundwork for a major increase in settlement construction, with settlers working hard, in advance of the expiration, to gain approval for new projects to be implemented as soon as the moratorium ends."

 

Barbara Slavin, a former diplomatic correspondent for USA Today and assistant managing editor of the Washington Times, is the author of Bitter Friends, Bosom Enemies: Iran, the U.S., and the Twisted Path to Confrontation.

GDRIVER

8:18 PM ET

July 2, 2010

$14,000 govt incentive to settle illegally on Palestinian land

A $14,000 govt incentive to settle illegally on Palestinian land should not be a surprise to anyone.

Likud policy is to attain ALL the land between the sea and the river, by any means fair or foul in order to frustrate any chance of a future Palestinian state.

It is incumbent upon all the free, democratic nations of the world to force the Israeli government to act in accordance with the direction of the United Nations.

Continued failure to comply with the UNSC should entail expulsion from the UN and from any association with the EU.

 

JAYBIRD2064

11:58 PM ET

July 2, 2010

The Golan is SYRIAN.

I seriously doubt Ms. Barbara Slavin that Israelis want to put people on the Golan Heights, it is SO dangerous to do so. I think they want people on the settlements down below the heights, along the sea of Galilee. that area is mostly agricultural, with small towns popping up, and guess what, LARGE settlements of Arab Israelis already living there. So hold your indignation. The Israelis are getting "nervous" want to balance out this factor.

 

VILKSSWEDEN

2:38 AM ET

July 4, 2010

Jay you are right

its probably mostly for moving to the Galilee. Israelis really want people to live in some of the areas there, just like they want people to start to move into the Negev desert.

However, having been in the Golan, it's not that dangerous. Israelis go there all the time for tourism and the wine industry is booming there. It's beautiful up there.

 

JIMMY37

9:04 AM ET

July 5, 2010

IGNORANCE is Bliss

As another commenter wrote, Golan is Syrian. Syrians were killing Israelis with rockets, mortars and sniper fire. Israel took it over in a defensive move. What would you do, if after you moved in, your neighbor kept throwing stuff at you like grenades, Molotov cocktails, rocks, spears, anything else he had on hand, trying to kill you and your family, and to destroy your house? Call the police? What would you do if the police told you to handle it yourself?

 

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11:59 AM ET

July 7, 2010

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THE SWZA

11:05 AM ET

July 8, 2010

Precisely.

"What would you do, if after you moved in, your neighbor kept throwing stuff at you like grenades, Molotov cocktails, rocks, spears, anything else he had on hand, trying to kill you and your family, and to destroy your house?"

Seriously? Go over to the neighbor's house, knock on the door and ask to speak to the thrower-in-question. Like any person over the age of 5.

Your neighbor hates you? On what grounds? Because he thinks you're the stereotype he was taught to believe? Sounds familiar.

Go introduce yourself. Bring a pie. What are the chances he's just a guy who was taught to hate and bought it hook, line and sinker because he's never come into contact with "another" who hasn't filled that stereotypical bill.

Be the exception. Put on some big boy pants and reach out.

We teach our children to do it, yet somehow adult circumstances negate the effectiveness? No, they don't. Think politics and sanctions are going to mend human relationships? They won't.

Follow the money trail. Who does Jews v. Muslims and Israel v. Palestine benefit.

You know who. And you know the issue is too large to tackle as is. Got to start small, with a knock and a friendly smile.

 

ASHOK2718

12:40 PM ET

July 3, 2010

$ 14,000 wow weeeee

Boy can I come ? I am not a jew but for $ 14,000 ................ I think most of palestinians will be ready to go and settle there (ahahaha 14k not for all you smarty 14k each)

 

VILKSSWEDEN

2:36 AM ET

July 4, 2010

What a load of shit

Come on, this is some antizionist author more bent on demonizing an agency promoting emigration during an economic recession than anything else. Any objective analysis of her argument proves it false....belying just a deep set hatred at Jews (most probably young and without jobs) that might seek their futures elsewhere.

1) The "occupied" Golan Heights. The history of this area is not so simple to call it occupied and needed to be given back to Syria. First, before 1923, the border between Syria and Israel was not defined. From 1917-1923 the British and French fought out who should get the Golan Heights - British Palestine or French Syria. Only in their arbitrary and heated negotiations did Syria get the Golan. It was equally argued that the territory belongs to the nascent state of Israel - if the British did not cave in, then it would have been so in 1923. Then in 1948, when Syria invaded Israel, Syria captured and occupied Israeli territory in the northern Golan region (including the 10-meter strip of beach in the Galilee, the east bank of the upper Jordan, as well as areas along the Yarmouk). It kept this as its own until Israel took it back in 1967 with the rest of the Golan. Given the nature of the shifting borders and the willingness of each party to take an keep the territory, it is questionable how "occupied" this land is. Also, unlike the west bank there are no "Syrians" living there. Everyone (Arab muslims and druze) has been offered and granted Israeli citizenship. Couple that with the fact that the Golan is used as a military shelling point by the Syrians against Israel and can be used to choke off Israel's largest and just about only natural supply of fresh water, and the justifications to "return" it is questionable. Again, the Golan heights have been in Israeli hands almost just as long as they were in Syrian.

2) Settlements - they can be demolished if peace is made. Israeli "settlers" were moved from Gaza and in Sinai for peace. The same can be done anywhere else. What does not get attention is the illegal construction palestinians and Israeli arabs do, without permits, anywhere they want. This goes on way more rampant than settlement building. And considering it's without permit and illegal, if some disaster happens a lot of damage will occur, like in haiti, where poorly built structures caved in at a medium level earthquake.

And "occupied land" should apply to Jordan. It was taken from Mandate Palestine in 1923. Yes, 70% of its land is from Mandatory Palestine. It was given to the petty Hashemite family from Saudi Arabia to rule over, after they were kicked out of Arabia by the Saud family. 75% of the population is Palesitnian, and they are repressed and prevented from voting (the king jerrymanders districts and has no instituted martial law - making him all powerful). Even the queen is palestinian. Were it not for the petty king Abdullah and his ruling clique of bedouin arabs, then Jordan would be a Palestinian state.

End the illegal Hashemite occupation of Palestine. Then the conflict will end. The Palestinians can vote and change the name of that illegitimate kingdom to Palestine and control their own destiny there.

 

VILKSSWEDEN

5:10 PM ET

July 4, 2010

True Tell you are so stupid, read a book please..before you talk

"You claim that before 1923, the borders between Syria and Israel were not defined."

I am talking about Mandate Palestine that later became Israel, dipshit. And yes, before 1923, the borders between the British Mandate and the French Mandate were NOT defined. Neither Syria existed as an independent state nor did Israel or just about any other middle eastern state.

"Arab land in the West Bank and Jerusalem are springing like wild grass. New filthy Zionist faithful are flooding the occupied territories to claim stolen Palestinian land."

Arab homes are also springing up all over the west bank. Both legally and illegally. Take a look at a map. "Occupied" by arabs that is. For some reason those lands weren't "occupied" when the Egyptians and Jordanians controlled them for 20 years, but now suddenly when Jews have them, they are "occupied." Stolen Palestinian land? Tell me, from which Palesitnian state did they take it from? Oh, that's right, there never was one! Let them fight for the land occupied by the Hashemites from Saudi Arabia. Yes, Jordan, whose land came from the Palestine mandate and was handed over to some petty kings.

Oh and speaking of Haiti, the Israelis were the only ones to send a real medical unit team with top of the line technology to save lives. Even CNN did a report on it.

The "arabs" can go back to Arabia. They are no more rightful occupiers than the romans or crusaders were.

 

BETZ55

9:42 AM ET

July 6, 2010

Thanks Vilky

For proving once again you, Israel, the Likud party, and the way you digress into insulting everyone if they challenge or defy you are all the ugly face of Judaism.

Go back to your hasbara institute in your capital of Tel Aviv. Your ilk are not wanted here or anywhere. You just to stupid to realize it.

Your every response shows us just how ugly jews, israel, and you are.

Keep it up.

 

VILKSSWEDEN

11:07 AM ET

July 6, 2010

Thanks betz for showing us what a bigot you are

and antisemite. also, thanks for never responding with facts. It makes debating a lot easier.

 

VILKSSWEDEN

3:04 AM ET

July 4, 2010

Believe me Barbara, I am pretty sure you would have to pay them

$14,000 to take your useless ass, and let you live in Israel.

 

TOMKJ

9:25 AM ET

July 4, 2010

I know many Israelis who wouldn't move to the Golan for $140,000

Ask any one who spent more than a few months there during his/her military service. the same goes with the Negev.

 

VILKSSWEDEN

2:04 PM ET

July 4, 2010

The golan is a hot travel destination. A lot of Israelis

rent cabins up there, tour there, and they are turning it into huge wine making area. Having just been there, I can assure you that the national sentiment towards the Golan is very very strong. More so than many other places.

 

VILKSSWEDEN

5:36 PM ET

July 5, 2010

Aravay, how is your national sentiment towards Texas, California

Arizona, and New Mexico? Maybe we should return them to Mexico? I am not sure, what is the American sentiment towards California? Is that yavol, nazi like? Silly cunt.

 

TOMKJ

9:06 AM ET

July 6, 2010

If the U.S allows Taiwan to be absorved by the PRC

Islike inviting China to become an undisputed Hegemon(sp?) of the part of the world between the International Date Line and Central Asia.

 

VILKSSWEDEN

11:11 AM ET

July 6, 2010

Maybe your birth was a giant mistake.

The U.S. was a huge mistake to Mexico and the Native Americans and countless other nations. I guess its too bad that people's subjective opinions on what nations should or should not exist make no difference in reality. Frankly I don't think the Israelis, Taiwanese, or a any other people really care about what you think from your comfortable living room on stolen native american land.

 

HASS

10:06 AM ET

July 4, 2010

US taxpayer money at work.

That $14k comes right out of the pockets of American taxpayers who, like it or not, are underwriting the "breathing room" for Israel.

 

VILKSSWEDEN

2:00 PM ET

July 4, 2010

Umm no it comes from a private grant foundation

dipshit cumbag. That 14k comes from private sources. With only $50 from that 14k, I could pay to fuck your wife a few times.

 

BETZ55

9:38 AM ET

July 6, 2010

Thanks Vilky

For proving once again you, Israel, the Likud party, and the way you digress into insulting everyone if they challenge or defy you are all the ugly face of Judaism.

Go back to your hasbara institute in your capital of Tel Aviv. Your ilk are not wanted here or anywhere. You just to stupid to realize it.

Your every response shows us just how ugly jews, israel, and you are.

Keep it up.

 

FURNITURE STORES

6:34 AM ET

July 5, 2010

Israel is Evil...

Do not understand why we tolerate Israel and all of their hostilities towards their neighbors and the world. We should all chip in $14,000 and bomb them off of the face of the earth...
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MUSTNOTSLEEP14

8:17 AM ET

July 5, 2010

Civilized world needs to

Civilized world needs to consign the religious to fight the endless wars they so desperately want. The biggest error by the US is that we are trying to play kingmakers in a region that cannot move past ethno-politics. Jews want to ruin the lives of Muslims and vice versa, why on earth should civilized peoples get in the way of their destined warfare?

 

TOOLBAG

5:10 PM ET

July 5, 2010

Agreed

Agreed

 

VILKSSWEDEN

5:49 PM ET

July 5, 2010

Because the west is next. Israel is just the

bulwark, stemming the tide of radical Islamic fanaticism. Once they move past Israel, it's on to andalusia and the gates of vienna.

 

VILKSSWEDEN

12:48 AM ET

July 6, 2010

Wow, pakistan is not a hole is it? It's only harboring

bin laden, the taliban, nuclear weapons, and a security service overrun by islamic fanatics. Same with Saudi Arabia a country teaming with insane fanatics.

You are just jealous khan that the "joos" are such good fighters. They survive the onslaught of waves of arab and muslim attacks, boycotts, and propaganda.

Khan, go back to driving your taxi you islamic faggot.

 

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11:55 AM ET

July 5, 2010

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NICHOLAS WIBBERLEY

7:50 PM ET

July 5, 2010

Fate rules

Once upon a time there existed no concepts of morality or legality, there were only indigenous people and invaders. This was so when the Israelis first entered the land of Canaan and dispelled the inhabitants as they are doing now. Claims that the land belonged to the Jewish people are disproven by the numerous and dramatic biblical accounts of their overthrowing the local peoples such as those of Jericho, Sodom, etc. The Jewish people have not changed over the millennia and what they do today they were doing at a time almost immemorial. The rest of the world, however, has recently developed concepts of morality and legality that, although not always clean and tidy, have a quality of transcendent persistence and a tendency to muster against profound injustice. Israelis appear to have awakened such a force and we are watching it rise to encircle them. One needs no crystal ball to feel profoundly sad for the inexorable outcome they are provoking for themselves.

And before VILKSSWEDEN has a go at me, let me say his outbursts are like being "savaged by a dead sheep".

 

MUSTNOTSLEEP14

9:05 PM ET

July 5, 2010

Arabs are among the most

Arabs are among the most backwards people on the planet. Do you really want to set your bar at their level?

 

VILKSSWEDEN

12:53 AM ET

July 6, 2010

Muslims sheltered Jews in Bosnia, and Israeli Jews

sheltered Muslim bosnians during the balkan wars. Yes, Israel was one of the few countries to give asylum and shelter to bosnian muslims.

Also, dont forget the muslim SS Nazi Hanjar Division that was responsible for some of the genocide in europe of jews, gypsies, and partisans. Don't forget that Shiek Hussaini, the Palestinian leader was sending nazi propaganda from berlin to the middle east and broadcasting daily nazi propaganda via the radio in berlin. The arabs even tried to create a nazi allied government in iraq.

 

NICHOLAS WIBBERLEY

4:42 AM ET

July 6, 2010

Further thoughts

Night has come and gone since I was last here. I knew what I wrote would make a ruckus because any debate touching upon Israel does so regardless if it be an attack, a defence, or simply, in my case, proffering of the fact that there were people occupying that area before the Israelites, as one may tell from the those versions of their origins that can be verified by archaeology and comparison with earlier Mesopotamian and Egyptian texts. Nor were those people all unsettled nomads since the eponymous lifestyle for which the city of Sodom is renowned suggests an affluent and leisured existence.

What is both true and remarkable is that Jews appear to have attracted exceptional levels of vilification through history, a phenomenon which one may detect as early as the story of the Exodus where, in spite of subsequent spin applied to the details, it is fairly clear that they were chased from Egypt by Pharaoh and the priests, more than probably as persistent adherents to the short-lived monotheist religion which was being so aggressively dismantled in favour of the panoply of ancient gods. Tacitus, in his Historia 5 (v), is uncharacteristically virulent, and other Roman writers express confused distaste. Leaping the tumults of the Middle Ages, it is hardly likely that the archetype that gave rise to Shylock and the Jew of Malta can have been inventions of Shakespeare or Marlowe. Then, I am old enough to recall when Jews were not permitted entry to many US social clubs and gatherings. It is hardly necessary to rehearse the horrors of the holocaust, but now there seems to be a new impatience burgeoning in places from Scandinavia to the antipodes. What can be the reason for all this?

It may be I have had a sheltered life but I have never heard any gentile express unqualified love for the Jewish people, a circumstance I find immeasurably sad.

 

NICHOLAS WIBBERLEY

7:56 AM ET

July 6, 2010

Arvay

I have often heard individuals declare they love the Americans, or French, or Italians or whatever, but I have never heard a gentile express such affection for the Jews collectively. And, indeed, rational research might usefully be undertaken to identify why this phenomenon persists since there exists nothing else quite like it, and it (that is to say the phenomenon NOT the Jewish people) is a thorn in the bosom of humanity.

 

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7:57 AM ET

July 6, 2010

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MARTY24

10:34 AM ET

July 6, 2010

Building permits

True Tell writes:
>Tell us, Zionist, how many building permits did Israel issue to Arab citizens >in occupied East Jerusalem since 1967? I can tell you the number is Zilch, >Zero.

Actually, if you bothered to do any research, you would discover that the rate of approval of applications for building permits is about the same for Jews and Arabs.

 

VILKSSWEDEN

11:15 AM ET

July 6, 2010

they won't bother to do research, they'd rather listen to

al jazeera and go to their socialist workers of the world meetings.

 

VILKSSWEDEN

1:15 PM ET

July 6, 2010

Btzelem is a joke in israel, only socialist europeans

agree with it. Oh, and here we go with the "nazi" analogy! Only morons make such simplistic childish, emotional analogies.

 

VILKSSWEDEN

1:19 PM ET

July 6, 2010

Any comments ?

that "Zionists lie so much because they control the media and Congress and they can always get away with their deception."

Yeah, here is my comment "go fuck your mother you antisemitic pig." How's that? This is an ancient lie that non-jews tell "jewish world dominance" that has caused so many jews to die in europe and elsewhere. You can't even respond with facts, so you respond with stupid attacks that Jews control the world or the media. Grow up baby.

 

VILKSSWEDEN

2:36 PM ET

July 6, 2010

Haha watch True Tell get angry

because he can't debate, he calls me a Zionist agent with "handlers." Is that how you debate everyone? I don't think that wins you many points in debate class. "you are wrong, because you are a zionist murderer agent." Yeah, right......

True tell has never been to Israel or palestinian territories. He just thinks he knows a lot from reading "betzelem" reports, which are considered a joke among Israelis and most other analysts. Yep and a few quotes out of context too, to show how much the jews control the world. Maybe they control you! And you are a double agent! They are soo powerful. Maybe they will use their amazing powers to shut down your computer. Be careful you loon.

 

BLUE13326

11:43 AM ET

July 6, 2010

I got an email from Nigeria

I got an email from Nigeria that offered me money if I helped them out of a jam, too; don't trust everything you get in emails (I got the same Jpost email and figured it was a scam).

 

SOLEMNMAN

12:10 PM ET

July 6, 2010

double standard

Had Israel lost any of it's wars there would be no Israel and their would be few if any israelis left alive and the world. as it did during the slaughter of European Jews ,would have folded it's arms,averted it's eyes -as if to say -let the deed be done.The Arabs, who started all the wars ,who are never expected to bear consequences , get to keep ,as jordan did in48,all the spoils of war without a murmur from the community of nations that is now hounding Israel for the pathetically little it kept to help insure it's survival.

 

VILKSSWEDEN

1:21 PM ET

July 6, 2010

khan forgets the centuries of arab muslim attacks on Jews

in Palestine and other "arab" lands since the time of mohamed. The jews were continually killed, murdered, and raped by Arab muslims who called the jews "dhimmi" or lesser beings. Now they cry when someone does not treat them as superior.

 

AREAMAN

6:03 PM ET

July 6, 2010

Earth Considered Flat

"..most of the world considers occupied Arab land"

Either it is or it isn't. Or maybe it's really complex, and it's something else. Or maybe we just don't know. But any which way it is, what people "Consider" is the least relevant approach.

This is the sort of lazy journalism that puts the reporter's ideas in the mouths of others so the journalist doesn't have to take responsibility.

Palestine was created as a legal entity by the San Remo Convention of 1920 and the Palestine Mandate. Both legal instruments were accepted by the League of Nations, and absorbed by the UN at its founding. Palestine was defined and created as a Homeland for Jews. The Muslims got Iraq, Syria, Lebanon and so on. The Turks got modern Turkey. This is the only "Binding International Law" on the subject.

What people consider is what the media tell them. If the media turn around and say that's what the people think, they're only recycling their own errors as new facts.

 

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12:37 AM ET

July 7, 2010

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I agree with you.I seriously doubt Ms. Barbara Slavin that Israelis want to put people on the Golan Heights, it is SO dangerous to do so. I think they want people on the settlements down below the heights, along the sea of Galilee. But thanks for showing us all how ugly "jews" are.
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12:55 PM ET

July 31, 2010

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9:51 AM ET

August 1, 2010

Further thoughts Night has

Further thoughts

Night has come and gone since I was last here. I knew what I wrote would make a ruckus because any debate touching upon Israel does so regardless if it be an attack, a defence, or simply, in my case, proffering of the fact that there were people occupying that area before the Israelites, as one may tell from the those versions of their origins that can be verified by archaeology and comparison with earlier Mesopotamian and Egyptian texts. Nor were those people all unsettled nomads since the eponymous lifestyle for which the city of Sodom is renowned suggests an affluent and leisured existence.

What is both true and remarkable is that Jews appear to have attracted exceptional levels of vilification through history, a phenomenon which one may detect as early as the story of the Exodus where, in spite of subsequent spin applied to the details, it is fairly clear that they were chased from Egypt by Pharaoh and the priests, more than probably as persistent adherents to the short-lived monotheist religion which was being so aggressively dismantled in favour of the panoply of ancient gods. Tacitus, in his Historia 5 (v), is uncharacteristically virulent, and other Roman writers express confused distaste. Leaping the tumults of the Middle Ages, it is hardly likely that the archetype that gave rise to Shylock and the Jew of Malta can have been inventions of Shakespeare or Marlowe.
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