Who Killed the Climate Bill?

Change is here what don't a here!

Here in Sweden the social democrats compromised with the greens and raised taxes on gas while lowering them on labor. The total taxes was the same, but they made in easier to hire and more expensive to drive inefficient cars.
Something like that might be the way for the US.

... because the climate hysteria is not advancing unrestrained. Over here in Europe, we are already paying billions each year for absolutely nothing - this 'nothing' is called 'sustainability' and 'green energy'.
Dear Americans: you cannot compete with the Chinese on cheap 'green' jobs - they will all go to China, just as they are leaving Europe and going to China right now. America should really stop trying to save the world and return to its core values - or else there is nothing that will save this beautiful country.
Greetings from Germany.

Stuart Eizenstat argued that climate change legislation would not in fact harm the economy or destroy jobs despite claims to the contrary. This statement is not followed by any argument. If the goal is to reduce the consumption of carbon based fuel, I see the only options as reducing demand via taxation etc. (which is not likely to help the economy) or to reduce the supply effectively available to the market via credits or some other regulatory mechanism (I doubt this one will do the economy any favors either). If Mr. Eizenstat has found another option he should run for office (and the Noble Prize).

The real problem is that this type of legislation requires politicians to ask the population to accept significant costs to fix a problem that "no really, trust us" exists. No significant fraction of the population will ever look at global warming and really know from a scientific standpoint that its true. How many people for example (environmentalists quoted in this article included) know how many vibrational modes the CO2 molecule has, or why that is important? So people must accept global warming on faith (or the word of others - which isn't much better)

Of course many people tolerate attempts at Keynesian solutions (and their associated costs) to macro scale economic problems while taking their justification on faith. But politicians have the cover of being able to claim victory when unemployment goes down or markets improve (regardless of why). The goal of climate change legislation is to prevent an envisioned future disaster, and so if successful, what do the politicians point to? The fact that no disaster occurred? Not to mention the problem that the supposed benefit comes decades after the costs.

Good luck every making this happen in the US.

Stuart Eizenstat argued that climate change legislation would not in fact harm the economy or destroy jobs despite claims to the contrary. This statement is not followed by any argument. If the goal is to reduce the consumption of carbon based fuel, I see the only options as reducing demand via taxation etc. (which is not likely to help the economy) or to reduce the supply effectively available to the market via credits or some other regulatory mechanism (I doubt this one will do the economy any favors either). If Mr. Eizenstat has found another option he should run for office (and the Noble Prize).

The real problem is that this type of legislation requires politicians to ask the population to accept significant costs to fix a problem that "no really, trust us" exists. No significant fraction of the population will ever look at global warming and really know from a scientific standpoint that its true.

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How many people for example (environmentalists quoted in this article included) know how many vibrational modes the CO2 molecule has, or why that is important? So people must accept global warming on faith (or the word of others - which isn't much better)

Of course many people tolerate attempts at Keynesian solutions (and their associated costs) to macro scale economic problems while taking their justification on faith. But politicians have the cover of being able to claim victory when unemployment goes down or markets improve (regardless of why). The goal of climate change legislation is to prevent an envisioned future disaster, and so if successful, what do the politicians point to? The fact that no disaster occurred? Not to mention the problem that the supposed benefit comes decades after the costs.

Good luck every making this happen in the US.

"It's Obama's fault because he failed to break a united front of Republican opposition. He should have compromised earlier to advance a bill that would have been toothless and ineffective."

"It's Obama's fault because he was too busy getting an economic stimulus bill passed in Congress, getting a major health care overhaul passed in Congress, getting a major financial reform bill passed in Congress, and fighting wars in Afghanistan and Iraq."

"It's the climate scientists' fault because they allowed their emails to get illegally hacked, and even though the emails didn't undermine the actual science of climate change, they led to the (mis)perception that climate science was in doubt."

Twisted logic at best; disingenuous at worst.

Why didn't the climate bill pass? A lot of people have ideas and interests that are aligned against passing a climate bill. Seeing what's in front of your nose is a constant struggle.

The bill failed because it was garbage, just as every major bill of the Obama administration has been crap. In the healthcare overhaul Obama paid no attention to the ,core problem - cost - and instead fixated on making youngsters pay for old people, then threw in a govt takeover of the student loan industry. His financial bill did not address any of the main causes of the economic collapse, but instead focussed on a govt takeover of the financial system. This bill is similar - it does not limit itself to cap and trade - but instead is filled with all manner of other crap that the media never bothers to mention.
Even so, cap and trade would be a tough sell in America because the faith in "the international scientific community" has been severely damaged by the antics of East Anglia, Pachauri's misuse of his position and the IPCC's obvious politicization.
The Environmental Movement has been damaged by the ridiculous exaggerations and outright lies they tell over and over, such as the 'endangered polar bear' whose populations are actually increasing.

When the pro AGW crowd acts honestly and proves their case transparently, then maybe someone will listen to them again. For now, they all look like a bunch of hucksters and thieves - especially Al Gore, who has been using this whole thing to make himself rich while his own carbon footprint resembles that of a midsize town.

So now the severe weather comes once again to Washington DC where no one listens and no one sees.... back in the days of the dust bowl however as they were debating dust bowl relief they did see the skies get dark with dust and voted in the measure... it used to be that seeing was believeing but no more...

Nomdeguerre the formula for vibrational modes is 3N-5 (linear) so in the case of CO2 it should be 4 vibrational modes. They are important because molecules with V-modes are able to absorb and radiate IR which causes Global warming. So now what does this have to do with understanding whether the collective world knows if climate change is happening.

There seems to be a general consensus in the world and any reader with a little bit of research skill would know that there is a very broad consensus amongst people who know about V-modes that Climate change is dangerous and something needs to be done.

"Stuart Eizenstat argued that climate change legislation would not in fact harm the economy or destroy jobs despite claims to the contrary. This statement is not followed by any argument. If the goal is to reduce the consumption of carbon based fuel, I see the only options as reducing demand via taxation etc."

I see a statement "despite claims on the contrary "but no proof, this does seem like you are using the same kind of statement used by the author to criticise and disprove the author. There are two sides to this argument please do read them both then form an opinion and then debate.

having said that here is my opinion.
Moving towards a more Efficient energy consumption pattern should not be seen as a negative for anyone. The first step should be rapid implementation of energy efficiency measures. Force industry, households, Business to become more efficient.

Fossil fuel is a limited resource and it is running out. The country controlling the RE manufacturing and R&D scenario will become very powerful. dependency on dwindling resources puts huge pressure on the economy because of rising prices, and sometimes propels countries into wars that can be expensive and politically / geopolitically catastrophic.

From my point of view I am just surprised that a rich country would not rapidly move towards ensuring that Green technology is promoted in the country so that it does not lose out on the Tech race and i find it overwhelmingly stupid that any country which is dependant on foreign energy resources would not push hard for efficiency not only to reduce costs but also to increase energy security.

It is clear to me that today both China and India are rapidly overtaking the US on green tech, clearly the global power is poised to shift. The US bill might have been a step (small one) in the right direction.

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Somo, science is not done nor settled by "consensus", and the reality is that the supposed "consensus" is only a few dozen scientists. There are a vast number of climate scientists who think the question is FAR from settled. The latest research from Australia is that Ice Ages are caused by the earth's wobble, and this could be the same. Theory from New Scientist is that cosmic rays create clouds, and the solar wind cycle affects cosmic ray penetration of the earth's atmosphere. According to Nasa-GISS (Hansen, et al) the majority of ice melt is caused NOT by temperature but by soot causing the ice albedo to change and absorb more light. That soot is not related to CO2, but to the Asian Brown Clowd - burning coal, wood, cowpies, etc.
I agree we should become more efficient.
I agree we should proceed with research into other modes of energy generation.
BUT - many other "green" tech, such as electric vehicles, are not really "green" at all, nor do they reduce wars. The wars will be over rare metals rather than oil - but the result is the same.
One of the best steps we are taking to reduce true pollution output is the clean coal initiative - Bush funded it while in office but envirowackos acted like he was screwing a panda on tv.

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Ignoring obvious realities may also be considered as engaging in "intellectually dishonest" behavior. Climate bill dead.....that's great news as the economy was about to be taken off of life support, permanently.

You and I are, with our o so fashionable, bell jar vacuum ideologies. We are soooo sophisticated, smothering ourselves in pataphysics!

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