With Friends Like These...

It’s time to wake up, Washington. Pakistan’s military is running the show in Islamabad, and the WikiLeaks revelations have only confirmed that supporting jihadi terrorist groups aren’t the actions of a few, rogue generals -- it’s government strategy.

BY SUMIT GANGULY | JULY 29, 2010

Until recently, the relationship between Islamabad and New Delhi seemed to be going relatively well. Tempers had calmed in the wake of the November 2008 Mumbai terror attacks, substantive discussions at the bureaucratic level were well under way, and the highest levels of government had given their blessing to joint diplomatic talks held on July 16. But things have turned sour -- as they often do on the subcontinent -- with a remarkable quickness.

Two seemingly unrelated events of the past two weeks have illustrated a fundamental problem with the nature of the Indo-Pakistani relationship. The first was the breakdown of the talks in Islamabad. At their press conference following the closed-door meeting, Pakistani Foreign Minister Shah Mehmood Qureshi excoriated the Indian home secretary for publicly announcing that David Coleman Headley, a Pakistani-American charged with involvement in the Mumbai attacks, had worked closely with Pakistani intelligence. The outburst brought an acrimonious end to the carefully planned talks.

The second was the decision of three news organizations to simultaneously publish significant excerpts from a trove of classified documents made available by WikiLeaks, the self-described global whistleblower website. The documents alleged that over the past several years, despite public professions of close cooperation with the United States on the antiterrorism front, Pakistan's powerful Inter Services Intelligence (ISI) directorate had actually abetted and aided the Afghan Taliban, the Pakistani jihadist group Lashkar-e-Taiba, and the Afghan insurgent leader Gulbuddin Hekmatyar. Beyond these startling revelations, the documents also charged that the ISI had provided information to insurgents about U.S. troop movements, their likely operations, and military capabilities.

Both developments highlight the disturbing dominance of Pakistan's permanent military establishment and their ongoing ties to jihadi groups. Even though a civilian regime assumed office in Pakistan in September 2008, the country's military has experienced little or no change. Gen. Pervez Musharraf's hand-picked successor, Gen. Ashfaq Kiyani, though nominally subservient to the civilian regime, remains primus inter pares. And the security establishment that he presides over has not lost sight of its two cardinal and related principles: unremitting hostility toward India and the need for a pliable regime in Afghanistan.

Pakistan's military has long cultivated ties with a host of religious militants, but the notion that it might be convinced to abandon its use of asymmetric war strategies in Afghanistan and Indian-controlled Kashmir seems increasingly unlikely. Contrary to popular belief, the security establishment's links with these groups is not of recent vintage. Pakistan has used jihadi proxies to varying effect against India since the first war following partition in 1947. They were also the basis for another assault against India in 1965.

Of course, the use of jihadis reached its peak under the leadership of Gen. Zia-ul-Haq, during the Soviet occupation of Afghanistan. After the Soviets departed, the ISI played a decisive role in the Afghan civil war that brought the Taliban to power. By installing that regime in Kabul, Pakistan's security establishment realized its long-sought goal of "strategic depth" against India.

Meanwhile, thanks to India's ineptitude in the handling of political demands in its Muslim-majority state of Kashmir, an insurgency there erupted in 1989. Almost immediately, the Pakistani security establishment sent in its militant surrogates, transforming a domestic rebellion into a well-funded, externally supported, and religiously oriented extortion racket.

In the aftermath of September 11, 2001, General Musharraf was coerced by the United States to cut his ties to the Taliban and a plethora of other jihadi organizations. Musharraf, however, didn't want to lose Pakistan's strategic assets in Afghanistan and Kashmir. So even as he delivered a handful of key al Qaeda leaders including Abu Farraj al-Libi, reputedly the group's third in command, he did little or nothing to curb the activities of other jihadi organizations, most notably Lashkar-e-Taiba and Jaish-e-Mohammed, two of the largest and most active Islamist terrorist organizations in South Asia. Instead, they were allowed to operate with considerable impunity from a number of encampments within Pakistan.

AAMIR QURESHI/AFP/Getty Images

 

Sumit Ganguly, a political scientist, is director of research at the Center on American and Global Security at Indiana University, Bloomington.

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KEVIN NORTHCUT

12:10 AM ET

July 30, 2010

Kevin Northcut

It is indeed funny and highly dubious that this person from the arch enemy of Pakistan here in US who toe the hidden and ulterior agenda of Indian and their intelligence services are given such a free hand in US to malign and paint such an un-real picture of our ally (Pakistan) that has rendered actual sacrifices in terms of human and material resources in helping us fight our War on Terror. Perhaps US is the only country where immigrants from another country are allowed to make their obsessive compulsive hostility against so evident.

What has India done except financing, arming, training terrorists by its terrorist intelligence agency RAW that is behind the insurgency in North-West and Baluchistan in Pakistan that has claimed thousands of innocent lives in Pakistan. It must not be forgotton that India is the author of state sponsored terrorism in South Asia and the double game it is playing does not bode well for anyone.

These fake authors like Sumit and Farid Zakaria have no credibility in their journalism and reporting when it comes to reporting on Pakistan. These authors are puppets and mouth-piece of India who they are still serving while rendering major dis-service to US and American public by driving wedge between US and its allies with their propoganda. These imposters and enemy of the state must not be allowed to affect and influence US foreign policy.

 

WATTY

6:27 AM ET

August 2, 2010

To Kevin Northcut is Pakistani imposter

India has built a road that gives landlocked Afghanistan a quick safe access to a seaport, and roads to link different Afghan cities to help Afghan economic development. It is also building Afghanistan's brand new parliament building to serve the cause of democracy. It is providing university education in India to Afghan students. It is building schools and hospitals. It is helping Afghanistan build an IT infrastructure, the list goes on and on. Like Secy. Clinton said, Pakistan can also do all the things that India is doing.

Why does Afghanistan - a sovereign nation, need Pakistan's approval to choose who it wishes to make friends with?

So what is Pakistan's greatest achievement? Instead of working for peace and progress, the megalomaniac Pak military has invested heavily in terrorist safe havens and training camps from which they launch Taliban thugs to kill and destroy in Afghanistan.

The day Pakistani lifeline to the Taliban fighters is destroyed, it will be the end of Taliban as a fighting force and peace will follow.

Obama's greatest folly is to have trusted in the double faced treacherous Pakistan.

 

DAVID999

2:02 AM ET

July 30, 2010

It's all US-India-Israel's fault that Pakistan is a terrorist st

Our Ally Pakistan .. that took our aid and used that to kill our soldiers ..

Taliban Missiles Likely Supplied by Pakistan
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jeremy-white/taliban-missiles-likely-s_b_662812.html

THE SUN IN THE SKY:
THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN PAKISTAN’S ISI
AND AFGHAN INSURGENTS
http://www.crisisstates.com/download/dp/DP%2018.pdf

It's all US-India-Israel's fault that Pakistan is a terrorist state!

At least it is Sumeet or Fareed's fault .. am positive ...:)

 

MARTY MARTEL

2:34 AM ET

July 30, 2010

US deserves to be duped by Pakistan

US government and news media continue to be in denial over Pakistan’s complicity in fueling Afghan insurgency. That is why they even totally ignore Matt Waldman’s ‘The sun in the sky’ published by London School of Economics barely a month before WikiLeaks.

Wikileaks’ release of classified field reports on Afghan war does corroborate ‘The sun in the sky’ report published by Harvard Professor Matt Waldman from London School of Economics on 6/13/2010. After having poured billions of dollars in aid, US deserves to be treated with such contempt by Pakistani establishment (Pakistani Army, ISI and Government) since US has intentionally ignored Pakistani complicity in Afghan insurgency until now.

That report states that “support for the Afghan Taliban is ‘official Pakistani ISI policy’ and is backed at the highest levels of Pakistan’s civilian administration. Pakistan appears to be playing a double game of astonishing magnitude. There is thus a strong case that the ISI orchestrates, sustains and shapes the overall insurgent campaign in Afghanistan.”

According to Afghan Taliban commanders’ interviews with Matt Waldman, the Pakistani ISI orchestrates, sustains and strongly influences the Taliban insurgency movement. The Afghan Taliban commanders also say that ISI gives sanctuary to both Taliban and Haqqani groups, and provides huge support in terms of training, funding, munitions, and supplies. In the words of these Afghan Taliban commanders, this is ‘as clear as the sun in the sky’.

The ISI is said to compensate families of suicide bombers to the tune of 200,000 Pakistani rupees, claims the report. Thus US AID TO BANKRUPT PAKISTAN FINANCES THE DEATH OF US/NATO SOLDIERS in Afghanistan. So in a way, US is financing the death of its OWN troops in Afghanistan.

Pakistani government issued its usual denials just as it had denied umpteen times the existence of Mullah Mohammed Omar’s ‘Quetta Shura Taliban (QST)’ in the provincial capital Quetta of Baluchistan. But General Stanley McChrystal called QST as the biggest threat to US Afghan mission in his report to President Obama in August, 2009.

Pakistan has denied presence of Osama bin Laden on Pakistani soil umpteen times and just yesterday Adm Mike Mullen repeated in Islamabad that Osama is hiding in a very secure place in Pakistan.

The most breath-taking part of this sordid saga is that US is NOT holding Pakistan responsible for sheltering, protecting and supporting Haqqani’s HQN network and Mullah Omar’s QST network all these years while those networks have been causing daily deaths of US/NATO soldiers ever since 2002 even though Pakistan was SUPPOSED to have joined US fight against same Taliban back in 2001!

Can American CIA not know what Matt Waldman knows? How come Obama administration is continuing Bush’s mollycoddling of Pakistan with such incriminating evidence against Pakistan’s double game? How can US mission in Afghanistan succeed if Obama administration continues to ignore such Pakistani duplicity like Bush had done it before Obama? How long will US continue to evade what is as obvious as a ’bright sun’ in the sky on a summer day?

US indeed deserves to be duped by Pakistan.

 

MAJAWAID

9:00 AM ET

July 30, 2010

US indeed deserves.......

dear marty martel, so many questions but no answers? do you think people sitting in your government are fools? The answer to all of your questions is: they need Pakistanis, stupid! They needed them before when soviets invaded Afghanistan and they need them now becuase the Americans know what Pakistanis can do for them no one else can, understand my dear? It's a marraige where divorce is not an option.

 

TOOLBAG

7:33 PM ET

July 31, 2010

Uh WHat?

What wxactly does the US need from Pakistan?

 

WATTY

6:43 AM ET

August 2, 2010

To MAJAWAID

What have you been smoking? The US bailed Pakistan's economy from total collapse in 2001 - a BIG mistake by President Bush. How have Pakistani's shown their gratitude to the US?

The Pakistani's are like the proverbial beggar who is never satisfied and curses as soon as he pockets the change. Pakistan begs from the Saudis, the Chinese, the British, the Japanese, the IMF and the World Bank. Without foreign aid Pakistan will instantly collapse.

 

AEHSAN

5:26 AM ET

July 30, 2010

Ganguly's right

Look I agree with Mr. Ganguly - and I am a Pakistani. Question is why does the Western world insist on supporting Pak military ahead of Pak civil institutions each and every time? And then they wonder why the Pak public mistrusts them. We all know the back bone of the extremists is the military, they're also the ones who have engineered a solution where they are teh only answer. Why does the world insist on playing their game? Case in point - F16s to Pakistan as part of Obama aid, delivered no issue and tallying billions. Aid/Trade with Pakistan to aid civilians and citizens - stuck up in congress. Lop sided set of priorities and counter productive.

 

RIGEL ALTAIR

1:02 AM ET

August 17, 2010

A good point AEHSAN

It's extremely refreshing to see someone pointing out the actual problem without beating around the bush! The fact that it's a Pakistani makes it all the more legitimate. I have to congratulate Aehsan for nailing the point home. The problem is not with Pakistan as a nation. Its with the pakistani army and it's unrelenting and irrational hatred for India which seems to be at the core of everything it does. Pakistani army's support for the taliban and other terrorist organizations ultimately aims at destabilizing India as a nation. I am not calling India a saint here. There have been issues between the two nations. But i do not see the rational in the pakistani army's motives for wanting to rival India. Cant the two nations achieve greater heights by being allies? Lets face it folks, if we could be allies, we wouldn't need US or any other nation to aid us.
Now about the pakistani civil establishment. The man you have for a president today was once jailed for 10 years for corruption in your own country! He is too busy guarding his own chair to be able to actually administer the nation. The poor chap has no options but to nod to whatever the army says or he'll loose his position and would probably even end up in jail again! It's unfortunate to see the man misuse and malign the Bhutto name.
The solution for the problem lay in a change of attitude at very basic levels among the people who run the pakistani army. They need to realize that they are only digging their own graves with their present actions.
As far as the US is concerned, all I have to say is that they are not trustworthy. They dumped Korea after messing it up, they did the same in Vietnam, they'll do the same in Afghanistan, and in Iraq. They'll simply fled the day they realize there's nothing of value they can gain anymore. And then, we (India and Pakistan) will be left with an ailing neighborhood, loads of dangerous weapons, and a whole bunch of enemies within(the taliban, Lashkar, etc, etc).

 

PRKSHAH

9:19 AM ET

July 30, 2010

Pakistan's double deals

Do Americans (administration & congress) have ball to solve problem of terrorism & Pakistan or they want to pussyfoot? The problem with Pakistan is rouge army, which needs to be neutered. It will always boss there civilians rulers but it is not strong to fight US power. Warn Pakistan stop terrorism, otherwise we impose sanctions similar to Iran and start tightening the screws. Freeze all financial accounts and travels of their politicians, military people. This will bring results in very short time without loss of lives and money.
If that fails put navy armada at the Pakistan coast and stop all trade and travel movements. Let us see how much balls Pakistani army has?

 

WATTY

7:03 AM ET

August 2, 2010

To PRKSHAH

The US certainly has the power to shape Pakistan's behavior without sending a single US soldier into Pakistan. It can issue Pakistan an ultimatum to shut down the terrorist safe havens and terminate its lifeline to the Taliban thugs killing US troops and the Afghans. That will quickly end of the Taliban as a fighting force.

If Pakistan fails to comply the US and western powers could declare Pakistan a terrorist outlaw state, stop all aid, freeze the military aid pipeline and blockade its major ports and ban all travel to and from Pakistan.

Many young US soldiers dying at the hands of the Taliban were no more than 10 years old on 9/11/2001. The war has gone on since. The mystery is why the US has not acted yet despite such tragic loss of life and resources. Another mystery is why Obama has broken his election promise and following almost exactly the same policy as Bush in trusting the two-face Pakistani generals.

 

PRKSHAH

9:19 AM ET

July 30, 2010

Pakistan's double deals

Do Americans (administration & congress) have ball to solve problem of terrorism & Pakistan or they want to pussyfoot? The problem with Pakistan is rouge army, which needs to be neutered. It will always boss there civilians rulers but it is not strong to fight US power. Warn Pakistan stop terrorism, otherwise we impose sanctions similar to Iran and start tightening the screws. Freeze all financial accounts and travels of their politicians, military people. This will bring results in very short time without loss of lives and money.
If that fails put navy armada at the Pakistan coast and stop all trade and travel movements. Let us see how much balls Pakistani army has?

 

INDIAN_GUY

11:03 PM ET

July 30, 2010

Kayani is the man who really

Kayani is the man who really runs the country. Its my humble opinion that if any progress needs to made in Af-Pak he is the one to meet and talk to. Not Gilani or Zardari or The "Good Taliban".

If Democracy is to work in Pakistan its Kayani who needs to nod his head and make the necessary regal gestures.

It is a sad fact that The Pakistani Army which has been named the most corrupt institution in the country is the only institution that can get things moving and working.....

 

LAHORIJERRY

1:14 AM ET

July 31, 2010

there are no friendships in

there are no friendships in international relations only interests. the author contends that the Pakistani establishment has no intention of pursuing peace.Perhaps but there is no evidence to suggest India desires peace with PAkistan either on equal and fair terms.Pakistan will not accept India as the regional hegemon.Get used to it.As for Afghanistan, I dont see India sharing any geographical border with it yet it has always sought to peddle its influence there in an effort to encircle Pakistan.this is not Paranoia merely facts and since its in the Indians interests to do that surely its in PAkistans interest to check and counter their moves. finally Kashmir is the main reason why peace is so elusive between india and pakistan. Pakistan might be a rouge, nasty state but shining india is the worlds largest democracy. hold the plebicite in Kashmir as promised by Nehru to the UN and let the Kashmiris decide.Im sure India's Glorious democratic traditions, secularism, and economic superpower status should be enough for the kashmiris to stick with India.just take out your 700,000 troops from there though....

 

ASHOK2718

4:17 AM ET

July 31, 2010

why do you think encirle ?

Do you really think that there is a need for geopolitics in age of nukes ? No

What do you say about your neighbours ? Are they danger to your wife and daughter because they 'encircle' you ? Is that why pakistanis are allowed to keep guns ? Such primitive thinking.

Moreover

1) Indian troops are in Kashmir to squish the asshole terrorists you send from your camps
2) Because Kashmiri state police is pussy. They only know how to draw salary; in tough times they go on mass leave. Totally unable to keep law and order.

You will not see India sharing border with many other countries because that is what you want to see

We hold plebiscite every 5 years asshole those are called elections

Oh yeah that might be a new word for you because you have lived mostly under what we call dictatorship.

Election : A vote to select the winner of a position or political office

unlike

Dictatorship : A form of government in which the ruler is an absolute dictator (not restricted by a constitution or laws or opposition etc.)

 

WATTY

8:23 AM ET

August 2, 2010

To LAHORIJERRY

Forget Kashmir. With nuclear weapons on both sides the days of border demarcation have long since past. For over 60 years you have wasted your time trying to get Kashmir by hook or by crook and failed. In the process you lost Bangladesh and now Pakistani muslims are killing fellow muslims and blowing up mosques. And you still want Kashmir! You don't even deserve the large chunk of India that the cunning British carved out to dump it into your treacherous lap (Look at your genocide in Balochistan!)

As long as Pakistani generals think that "peace on equal and fair terms" with India means surrender of more Indian territory to Pakistan they will be wasting their time and Pakistan's resources in needless military expenditures, while your civilian leader go around the world capitals with a begging bowl. A majority of Pakistan's population is younger than 25 to 30 years. They need education, jobs, homes, and a secure future. The military cannot provide all these things. Only peace, economic development and trade will make life better for all. It is best for Pakistan's military to return to the barracks where they belong and let the Pakistani citizens concentrate on building peaceful relations with ALL your neighbors and develop your economy and trade.

 

RIGEL ALTAIR

1:31 AM ET

August 17, 2010

Dear Mr. Lahorijerry

India needs to place 700,000 troops in Kashmir thanks to the 100s, if not 1000s, of terrorist camps that pakistani army runs in the pakistan occupied kashmir. Which by the way, is referred to as azad kashmir in spite of the fact that that region has not seen a single election in the past 25 odd years since it's been occupied by pakistan. The only group of people to which the region is azad to is the terrorists.
Don't publicize your ignorance by posting such comments in public forums my friend. India held an election in Kashmir recently which saw overwhelming voter turnout with almost no violence. The last time pakistan voted as a nation, which by the way happened after a decade of military rule, you guys ended up electing as president a man who was jailed in your won country for corruption! That's how smart you folks are!
You say there is no evidence to suggest India desires peace with Pakistan? Have you ever heard of the term 'frog in a well' my friend? thats how ignorant you are! Look back through the past ten year: India hosted musharraf in Agra, India started the samjauta express train service, India started the Delhi-Lahore bus service (if you are wondering, Delhi is in India and Lahore is in Pakistan), and the Indian foreign minister very recently met with your obnoxious foreign minister (by the way, a foreign minister is the one who's in charge of a country's foreign policies if you are wondering. and please look up the dictionary for the definition of foreign policy)
My friend, India does have a Glorious democratic tradition and secularism, and we are an economic superpower. The only thing we lack is a sensible neighbor!

 

MUTAHER KHAN

9:56 AM ET

August 1, 2010

This is the conspiracy which

This is the conspiracy which Indians are projecting into the minds of Americans!they are really coward!They just know backstabbing and can never win an open war alone!They can just follow Chankaya's ideology!

 

WATTY

7:36 AM ET

August 2, 2010

To Mutaher Khan

Are all our Pakistani friends graduates of one of those madrassas where they are brainwashed by illiterate hate mongering mullahs?

How remarkable that our God given human intelligence can be so perverted and stunted to come up with such absurd thoughts. You think Americans cannot think for themselves?

 

AHSON HASAN

9:25 PM ET

August 1, 2010

Wake up Washington. Supporting terrorism is Pakistan's policy

Ganguly is right on target.

Historically speaking Pakistan's involvement in terrorism activities over the past three decades or so translates into a clear and obvious expression of a complicated structure in the military-bureaucracy that just cannot let go of its own parochial ambitions.

Pakistan and its people have had to walk through the furnace literally to 'satisfy' the thirst of its intelligence agencies that have had designs to 'capture' Kashmir, Kabul and spread the influence of Wahibism in the entire region around it.

Take a moment and understand that every Tom, Dick and Harry associated with terrorism has maintained some type of connections with Pakistan.

Pakistan is a den of fanaticism. It is a burning flame that refuses to die down. Pakistan patronizes Mullahism, as a matter of policy.

Washington needs to review and revise its approach toward Pakistan. Millions of US taxpayer dollars given by US are ending up in wrong hands.

While folks in the US are struggling because of the dreadful recession, countries like Pakistan that are working against Washington's interests should not be given funds absolutely.

Pakistan is not our friend. Deceit, corruption and dishonesty are ingrained in the Pakistani culture. Political leadership of that country consists of nothing but a bunch of crooks that are impossible to 'tame'.

It is high time that the world pauses for a moment and takes stock of the situation.

 

MUSTNOTSLEEP14

6:51 AM ET

August 2, 2010

This is the truth, but

This is the truth, but American politicians are too stupid to stop coddling Pakistan. Obama is no smarter than Bush.

 

NICOLAS19

8:43 AM ET

August 2, 2010

think about it

Pakistan’s position is very well described in the article: they seemingly support the US – their temporary neighbor – and at the same time preparing to have good ties with their permanent, future neighbor after US troops left – the Taliban. This hardly seems unreasonable.
What of Earth would they gain by waging a full-fledged war against the Taliban? 1. As I wrote above, the Taliban had the power and they will have the power; 2. US will leave, Taliban won’t; 3. The Taliban are much closer to Pakistan culturally, ethnically, morally than the US will ever be. 4. Why would they support any strong government, a rival right next to them? Thye don't need another India!
US pays Pakistan to maintain their semi-passive stance. Could you imagine what wave of insurgency would break out if Pakistan – a nuclear power, neighboring state – would pledge full allegiance to the Taliban in Afghanistan? That is exactly what US hopes to avoid by paying Pakistan off.

 

WATTY

9:35 AM ET

August 2, 2010

To NICOLAS19

A quick read of recent history will show that the US went into to Afghanistan after 9/11 to clear out the Pakistan supported Taliban for having given shelter to AQ. Also Afghanistan has a sovereign government and Pakistan supported Taliban are the major combatants shooting at US troops protecting the Afghan government as it tries to get to its feet. Without Pakistan safe havens and lifeline to the Taliban combatants they would not last long as a fighting force. Only then will there be peace in the region. Rather than reward Pakistan for its deception, the US should get tough with Pakistan and hold it to its promise to dismantle its terror safe havens and support for the Taliban's war on Afghanistan.

Also, Afghanistan has many other ethnic groups other than the pashtuns who are generally recruited by Taliban. A warring Taliban does not promote peace in Afghanistan if it is in conflict with all the other groups.

 

NICOLAS19

2:58 AM ET

August 3, 2010

enough with the presumptions

Wow, did you really just copy-pasted a US Army communiqué? Think about it for a second:
1. 9/11 was a criminal offense. Hijacking planes and deliberately crashing them is terrorism, punishable by US law. They should’ve dealt with it the only acceptable way, sanctioned by procedural law. If your dog gets killed by a, say, French man, what do you do: prosecute him (or request extradition) or go on invading France? Instead, US adopted the idea of national terrorism (read: a lame, forged casus belli to attack and loot a mineral-rich country), mocked international law by taking aggressive military action instead of the normal, worn-in, rightful way.
2. If you deny that forged idea of “national terrorism” – an idea frighteningly similar to “collective guiltiness”, adopted by the USSR – what do you have? A sovereign Afghanistan whose ruling elite happens to be the Taliban. So why aiding the Taliban is a punishable act? If aiding, say, the Whigs (the ruling elite of UK) isn’t and offense, nor is aiding the Taliban.

 

WATTY

12:21 PM ET

August 3, 2010

US a temporary neighbor of Pakistan!

Mullah Geography lesson taught at your madrassa?

 

XTIANGODLOKI

9:07 AM ET

August 2, 2010

One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter

Let's be honest here, it's not like the US doesn't support terrorists/freedom fighters when the situation looks convenient. In fact, US has always been working with insurgents. The real objection here is that US is working with Pakistan government which is at war with the Indian government, because the writer himself is probably Indian.

However, this is not about what's the best for Pakistan or India, it's about whats the best for the US. Unless Indian government can help with logistics in Afghanistan there is little reason why the US will stop working with the Pakistan government.

 

WATTY

9:45 AM ET

August 2, 2010

XTIANGODLOKI: Who is shooting at the US and Afghan troops?

If you ask yourself

"Who is shooting at the US and Afghan troops?" Answer:mainly the Taliban.

"Where are the Taliban getting support?" Answer: Life line to Safe havens in Pakistan.

"Can Taliban survive if their lifeline to Pakistan is cut off" Answer: They cannot survive for more than a few months.

"Has Pakistan promised to close all its terrorist sanctuaries?" Answer: Yes many times but has broken its promise each time

"Is it time for the US to get tough with Pakistan and hold it to its promise to end the terror network?" Answer: Yes if we want peace and to stop further bloodshed

"So, instead why is the US rewarding Pakistan's deception with billions in aid and shiploads of lethal arms including nuclear capable F-16's, when Pakistan duplicity is costing US and Afghan lives?" Answer: That is the greatest puzzle of this horrid war, I do not know the answer.

 

WATTY

11:25 AM ET

August 2, 2010

Banner photo: Musharraf with Kayani - Ominous clouds ahead?

Pakistani media reports that General Musharraf plans to return to Pakistan in September. He is to begin campaigning to be elected to a civilian office (PM? or President?). This along with his erstwhile protégé ex-ISI Kayani's three year extension, raises many troubling questions about the seamless manner in which the Pakistan enterprise is being managed through its transitions by the generals.

After all Pakistani democracy over the years has at best been a mere flimsy facade. Could all this happen without US blessings? It also adds credence to Mr. Sumit Ganguly's narrative of grave concern for the future. Is the military-mullah-militant troika destined to days of greater glory? I hope the babus and dhoti-wallahs in the neighborhood are taking notice and will start to take a proactive stand before it is too late. Long experience with the generals cautions us that peace in the region is at stake.

 

HINDUTVA

8:34 PM ET

August 2, 2010

Why are there ten little Hindoo jumping in a Pakistani forum

The world wants to know.

Pakistan wants nothing to do with India. Why are Hindoo Indians streaming to Pakistani forums?

 

WATTY

12:42 PM ET

August 3, 2010

Many Pakistanis are habitual haters

Have you heard of freedom of expression? Guess not... your brain cannot comprehend it?

 

DILLUMINATI

4:16 AM ET

August 3, 2010

A real thinking for Pakistan

Pakistani people should really introspect what have they acheived by over 60years of India bashing....pakistan is a failed state if not completely its fast approaching that path.....real problem is not India but their own military, intelligence & politicians.....these groups has been successful in posing india as a threat, keeping Pakistan impoverished & spending billions of rupees on defence (& earning millions for themselves)...i think india has more priorities and important issues than Pakistan.....with near double digit growth rate India is getting its economy on track which would help in allevating the poverty & increase the standard of living of people......Where is Pakistan on all economic fronts...getting aids and continously begging from US is not going to help....intelligent people on pakistan( i'm sure there are many) should come forward & do something for pakistan....i think thats how they can show their love towards their country (not by India bashing).....

 

NANDA

10:30 AM ET

August 3, 2010

Solution: "Alternative logistics supply routes into Afghanistan"

I have no idea why US never developed alternative endings to this longest war story. It is very clear, as also mentioned by Ganguly, that the solution lies in creating alternative, but full and reliable access to Afghanistan. This is possible, if Pakistan is bifurcated, with Baluchistan forming a separate nation. There is nothing wrong with US staying permanently staying in Afghanistan, and using the new-found mineral wealth to fund the campaign to partition Pakistan.

 

HINDUTVA

12:54 PM ET

August 3, 2010

Dividing India along Muslim, Naxalite, Sikh, Bihari lines is ...

Dividing India along Muslim, Naxalite, Sikh, Bihari lines is the right answer.

It will certainly stop Ten little Hindoos Jumping Up and Down here and elsewhere.

 

WATTY

1:05 PM ET

August 3, 2010

To Nanda: Regarding alternate supply route

Afghan city of Zaranj now has a secure access to the deep sea port of Chabahar in Iran made possible by a "220-km road in the southwest Afghan province of Nimroz [which] is the centerpiece of a $1.1 billion Indian reconstruction effort in Afghanistan ... Eleven Indian workers and 126 Afghan police and soldiers, who were providing security for the road, were killed during its construction ... ". The quote is reported in the Pakistani paper "Dawn" in January 2009 when India handed over the completed project to Afghanistan.

The US-Iran animosity inhibits Afghanistan from fully utilizing using this alternate route. What a shame.

 

WATTY

1:17 PM ET

August 3, 2010

Keep dreaming your hateful dreams pervert!

Have you not learned anything from your history of hate since your Allah forsaken country was given to you? Have you forgotten Bangladesh already? Why are you killing your own muslim brothers and blowing up their mosques right in your cultural capital city of Lahore? You not deserve to call yourself a muslim and no wonder get kicked around by your Arab and American masters.

 

NANDA

10:10 AM ET

August 4, 2010

To WATTY: Alternative logistics supply routes into Afghanistan

We need a route that is fully under US control, preferably with direct access to a deep water port (Gwadar?). Otherwise, brokers like Pakistan will turn any superpower into a duperpower!

 

HINDUTVA

11:15 AM ET

August 4, 2010

America can NEVER cut up Pakistan

Any attempt by America to cut up or destablise Pakistan will be at America's own peril.

So your perverse Hindoo Indian dreams of cutting up Pakistan's Gwadar seaport and putting it into some sort of American domination is simply wishful thinking.

Hindoo Indians like you will always keep giving bad advice to Americans, thats what you do best in your own cunning ways. You provided the same bad advice to USSR into invading Afghanistan 30 years ago, and see what wonderful things happened to erstwhile USSR; it suddenly disappeared from the map of the Earth.

Please continue your work. The world needs the cunning kind too.

And, thanks for showing us your hand.

lalqila.wordpress.com

 

WATTY

6:21 PM ET

August 4, 2010

To Nanda: Regarding alternate supply route

I am not sure giving Gwadar to USA is a good idea since Gwadar belongs to Pakistan. A united and stable Pakistan is in India's long term interest (I wish those Punjabi dominated Pakistani military were less obsessed with hatred to India).

Also the US have already been in the area too long and have only made things worse with their own double game vis-a vis Pakistan, India etc. It is not good to have the military of a super power as your neighbor. Wherever they intervene, they make things worse for the local citizens. The few billions in aid they give is nothing compared to the destruction they cause.

In my opinion the US military should secure Afghan unity and depart totally, which they normally do not do. Giving them Gwadar will keep them there permanently.

 

WATTY

7:28 PM ET

August 4, 2010

To HINDUTVA

Why do you call yourself HINDUTVA when you hate Hindus and India so much? The Buddha said that having hatred is like carrying red hot coal in your hands ready to throw it at your enemy. The hot coals will burn your hands long before it does any harm to the people you hate.

Also, all Indians are not Hindus. Unlike Pakistan, India also has many muslims, christians, sikhs, buddhists, jains, adivasis, atheists, jews etc Pakistan was also home to all these religions before the partition, but you killed or chased them all out. Now muslims are killing muslims and burning each other's mosques. Was Pakistan not carved out of India and given to you, because some muslims wished to have a separate homeland to live in peace and unity? Now you are neither at peace nor living in unity with your muslim brothers - so, you no longer deserve the India that you were given? Still you are greedy for more of India's lands - Indian Kashmir. Why? - because one small part of Kashmir, the valley has a muslim majority? So you cannot live in peace with India. You cannot live with Afghanistan in peace either because you demand the "right" to decide who the Afghan people can be friends with.

Pakistan's military-mullah-militant alliance poses the greatest danger to the world today. Most of all, it poses the greatest threat to Pakistan itself. Nobody has to try to cut up Pakistan into pieces, your Punjabi dominated military-mullah-militant is doing a great job by itself so far.

 

HINDUTVA

9:14 AM ET

August 5, 2010

Watty, I agree that military-mullah alliance is dangerous

I agree that Pakistan's Military-Mullah Alliance is a dangerous thing and one can make a case that it parallels America's Military-Industrial-Christian-Zionist Complex which is much much bigger in magniture and has fueled Pakistan's Military-Mullah-Alliance for over 30 years.

You should do some research into the Christian tendrils extended into the USAF Academy to get a flavour of things.

One should not forget causality. It's America's Military Industrial Complex that distorts much of the world from Illegal Israeli Settlers to American Occupation of Iraq and Afghanistan and saber rattling against Iran and of course, because of Pakistan's proximity to the latter, it too is dragged in willingly or unwillingly.

lalqila.wordpress.com

PS: Why do I use names like Hindutva; well the relatively brainless censors of Foreign Policy keep banning me and I have to come up with random new names to fight the much acclaimed American not so free speech censors.

 

DANIELWOODS

11:12 AM ET

August 5, 2010

You're right. How could we

You're right. How could we expect somebody to sacrifice if the pot isn't that easy to sacrifice? As long as there are ways to fight what they think is right, the word "Sacrifice" will always be the last on their list.Daniel Woods

 

MALIKA79

11:30 AM ET

August 5, 2010

Pakistan will not be an ally

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