Strange Brew

Does the Tea Party have a foreign policy?

BY PETER BAKER | SEPT. / OCT. 2010

When tens of thousands of Tea Party activists gathered for a rally on the National Mall in Washington this spring, they loudly cheered the economic populism of their hero, Ron Paul, the Texas congressman who fell short in his quixotic 2008 presidential bid while inspiring a movement that outlived his candidacy. But then he shifted to international affairs, speaking against foreign aid and policies that make America the world's policeman.

By the time he began complaining about the many U.S. military bases overseas and arguing for bringing the troops home from places such as Japan and South Korea, some in the crowd were growing agitated. As journalist Kate Zernike recounts in her forthcoming book, Boiling Mad: Inside Tea Party America, people toward the back objected. "God bless the military!" some hollered. Paul quickly moved on to a pitch for keeping the U.S. military strong -- and the hecklers began cheering again.

It was a revealing moment for a movement born at a time of two overseas wars, a continuing terrorist threat, and a looming confrontation with Iran. For though the Tea Party may have captured the energy and imagination of this American political season, it very decidedly owes its campaign appeal to domestic politics, tapping into economic anxiety and visceral antipathy to what it considers President Barack Obama's big-government program. When it comes to foreign policy, the unity of the Tea Party stops at the water's edge.

Its leaders are hopelessly divided over everything from the war in Afghanistan and counterterrorism policies to free trade and the promotion of democracy abroad. And with the Tea Party increasingly serving as the Republican Party's driving force, the schism underscores the emerging foreign-policy debate on the American right. So recently united behind President George W. Bush's war on terror, Republicans now find themselves splintering into familiar interventionist and isolationist factions, the Dick Cheney side of the party eager to reshape the world versus the economic populists more concerned about cutting taxes at home than spending them on adventures abroad.

"If the Tea Party movement expanded into that area, you'd find a multitude of opinions," says Frank Anderson, co-founder of the Independence Caucus, an anti-incumbent group that endorses congressional challengers who promise to respect its credo of limited government. "If you ask any 20 people, you would get 25 opinions."

If there's one thing Tea Party activists can agree on foreign-policy-wise, it's their aversion to international organizations. Of 80 questions posed to candidates by Anderson's Independence Caucus, only four relate to foreign policy, and all those are about ceding sovereignty to the United Nations or international treaties. Question 16, for instance, asks candidates to oppose efforts "to recognize or implement any United Nations actions, decrees, or programs that would interfere with or supersede our sovereign national government." No wonder once-and-future presidential candidate Mitt Romney denounced Obama's arms-control treaty with Russia.

The two most famous Tea Partiers, in fact, are at the opposite ends of the foreign-policy spectrum. Where Sarah Palin, the 2008 vice-presidential candidate with her eye on 2012 and her muscular talk of a movement of "Mama Grizzlies," embraces Bush's assertive foreign policy, Rand Paul, the son of the Texas congressman, extends his dad's don't-tread-on-me philosophy at home to mean don't tread on others abroad.

Palin has argued against extending Tea Party enthusiasm for budget cuts to the military, and another movement favorite, Marco Rubio, the Republican senatorial candidate from Florida, has ripped Obama for not being tough enough. "Today, our nation's foreign policy appears to be based on abandoning our friends, appeasing our enemies, and retreating from our responsibilities," Rubio said in one speech. Paul, on the other hand, crushed the establishment favorite in Kentucky's GOP primary after a campaign in which he called the Bush-era Patriot Act "a mistake" and issued a statement promising to "oppose reckless 'nation building' or burdening our troops by making them the world's police force."

The Tea Party, in other words, is stumbling over a familiar divide on the American right. Nearly a century ago, the big-stick foreign policy of Theodore Roosevelt turned inward when Henry Cabot Lodge blocked U.S. entry into the League of Nations, and isolationists held sway until World War II. At the end of the Cold War, the most internationalist of modern presidents, George H.W. Bush, had to beat back Patrick J. Buchanan's neo-isolationist insurgency. In the 1990s, resurgent congressional conservatives were just as divided over President Bill Clinton's embrace of humanitarian interventionism. When Clinton waged war in Kosovo in 1999, House Majority Whip Tom DeLay complained that he "was involving the U.S. military in a civil war in a sovereign nation," but other Republicans rushed to Clinton's defense.

Illustration by Stephen Kroninger for FP

 

Peter Baker is a White House correspondent for the New York Times.

COUNTCHOCULA1011

6:30 AM ET

August 16, 2010

You cannot ignore the costs of propping up the war machine

That's the biggest problem with the Palin side of the Tea Party: unlike Ron/Ran Paul supporters, the Palin people refuse to address the bloated monster that is the American military. They want to continue to prop up the war machine. Unless they wake up and realize that you cannot address the issue of government spending without addressing the military and its spend-happy ways, you're not going to significantly reduce the deficit. Such people are just jokes. They're the same type of people who call for the government to lower taxes while also calling for the government to give them more welfare benefits.

 

STEPKAY8

12:02 PM ET

August 18, 2010

Countchocula1 is absolutely

Countchocula1 is absolutely right. The most logical approach to foreign policy for the tea party members is the one Ron Paul was favoring. Republicans in the US endlessly complain about how their tax money shouldn't be used for welfare of the poor, yet they support the billions of dollars spent on the wars the US seems to constantly be involved in. They look really dumb complaining about the minuscule amount of money going towards welfare and healthcare from their taxes when compared to the military budget. Ron Paul has kept his views republican in every way possible, and most right Americans don't see that. Although the military involvement and violence around the world caused by the US army seems to be advocated as necessary by mostly republicans, it contradicts with their strong opposition towards spending their personal money for other things.

Also, senator Bob Bennett is in his own world wit his remarks. The best thing that has happened in US foreign policy since 2000 is the treaty signed with the Russians in hopes to reduce each nation's nuclear stockpile. It's ridiculous to assume that getting rid of the nuclear weapons is "handcuffing" the US. In fact, the opposite is true. The US and Russia's huge nuclear stockpile is what keeps people up at night. Thank god there has been no war in which nuclear weapons were the main source of fighting. What Bennett seems to be ignoring is that if the US were to keep nuclear weapons (even if it were only to strike back) they provoke other countries and make them want to produce them as well. If the US were attacked, even if by nuclear weapons (which is probably the most unlikely possibility ever) their response with nuclear weapons would surely mean the end of the world. More importantly, by keeping nuclear weapons, the US is essentially telling every other country in the world that it's ok to have nuclear weapons, and would encourage more countries to produce them. That would be disastrous, and the US would then truly be handcuffed because they would have no case to make in arguing that other nations can't have nuclear weapons.

Ron Paul has the best and most rational foreign policy views of all republicans (and maybe even democrats). His foreign policy ideas almost make me want to become republican just so I can support his views, and most people consider me a socialist.

 

A BALANCED VIEW

10:53 PM ET

August 17, 2010

Palin was utterly and

Palin was utterly and completely OWNED by a Canadian comedian shock jock who called her and pretended to be Nicolas Sarkozy.

They spoke at length during which time he made statements and asked questions that would make anyone but an empty suit with an IQ of 60 HOWL with delight. She was utterly clueless until the bitter end, and replied to the most OUTRAGEOUS questions with vapid answers of utterly no consequence or reason that she would just as easily have spewed out to the actual sarkozy or any other leader.

NO, they do not have a foreign policy. But DO listen to the call (on youtube) to get a glimpse of the nation under Palin (shudder). Truly terrifying, and hilarious at the same time.

 

ASHOK2718

1:33 AM ET

August 18, 2010

Tell me then one thing

Why is she so popular ?

I think it is because she speaks language of masses just like G.W. Bush.

Proud people don't like it when somebody talks to them in scholarly tone or gives them stats that they can not comprehend.

It is just like the king who wore a dress which only intelligent people could see

I do believe that she will run for President.

 

JC333

4:45 PM ET

August 18, 2010

Why is she so popular?

I will be as blunt about this as possible.

Redneck men want to bang her and republican women want to be her (maybe a little more intelligent and not as gaffe prone).

That about sums it up.

 

STEVEN DEDALUS

12:03 PM ET

August 20, 2010

Why is she so "popular"?

Why is she so "popular"? Because the media tells us she is popular.
Just like they tell us that we must obsess over the Ground Zero mosque issue and all the other non-issues they force on us. It is propaganda and manipulation.

 

CMRS

11:59 AM ET

August 23, 2010

Why is she popular?

Cast my vote for the guy who said "the people like whoever the media says they like".

 

DISIGNY

9:33 AM ET

August 18, 2010

Confusion

Why limit the discussion to the TP? The whole American public has been seduced by the glamour of Empire ever since Teddy Roosevelt. Of course its paradoxical, idiotic and ruinously expensive. Duh!

 

GRATT

2:39 PM ET

August 18, 2010

Good article FP

This article was spot on, the Tea Party does not, and cannot have a unified stance on Foreign Policy beyond a few hypothetical platitudes.

But why should this be a surprise or a bad thing. In places that have a parliamentary system the Tea Party would be considered a single issue party. Something that happens all the time in other nations when major parties fail to address a major issue to the satisfaction of a large part of the population.

 

ANDERSONW

11:16 PM ET

August 18, 2010

Dead Presidents

For a country that likes to think of itself as best in world, it spends alot of time repeating the beliefs of dead presidents whose views are mostly outdated and don't apply in the 21st century.

 

S P DUDLEY

1:06 AM ET

August 19, 2010

TP Foreign Policy

Like they do on social issues, the TP "agrees to disagree" on foreign policy and concentrates on what they see as the primary threat to the republic: the runaway federal government, as ruled by the Democratic Party. If the TP took an "official" position on foreign policy besides the platitude of "Supporting the Troops," they'd fight to no end and they know that's a distraction to their main goal.

Survey most TP participants, however, and you can come up with very general agreement on the following:

1. Kill Them Before They Kill You. Threats like Al Qaeda or Iran's nuclear program should be preempted before they can be brought to bear on Americans. While invading Iraq was justified in this way, it's not on the same level (and most TP I think would agree that Iraq was at least partly a mistake).

2. Fight What You Can Win. Fighting major land wars in Asia is not wise. Pick wars that are absolutely necessary and that reflect actual interests (re: no Bosnias).

3. When You Fight, Fight to Win. This means no super-restrictive Rules of Engagement such as we now have in Afghanistan. If we fight wars, we don't hold back. This also means no sanctuary for the enemy. If Al Qaeda hides in Pakistan, we go to Pakistan and we keep going until they're dead.

4. Hold the Enemy to Your Standard, not You to His. The USA is a signatory to the Geneva Convention, but that actually allows us to shoot opponents not in uniform and that use human shields. Per the GC using Human Shields is a War Crime, and should be handled as such.

5. Don't Skimp On Defense. Too many of us remember the Post-Vietnam years when the military was punished by the Democratic Party for the war by cutting their resources. The result was a near-disaster only saved by Reagan. Clinton's combination of defense reductions and "up-tempo" nearly caused a similar disaster prior to 9/11.

6. The Safety of American Civilians is the Highest Possible Priority. That means a robust Homeland Defense, as well as a National Missile Defense. It also means Americans living and traveling abroad are not to be kidnapped or killed, or otherwise messed with.

7. We're an Armed Force, not a Welfare State. While I disagree with Ron Paul on a few things, he is correct in that we spend too much on a no-longer necessary defense of NATO, South Korea, and Japan. Most of our main allies spend on 1% GDP on defense, while we spend 4%. They need to buck up a lot more.

A lot of this centers on employment of the military and not true foreign policy issues (such as support for Israel, etc). Generally speaking nearly all of the TP agree on the above, and it forms the (unwritten) basis for a TP foreign policy.

 

ASHOK2718

3:31 AM ET

August 19, 2010

What you are saying in so many lines is

Fight wars

and

don't make me pay for it.

I also saw a video where one of your leaders was saying we do want good health care but we don't want to pay for it. You people may be tea party but you are also 150 year old.

 

RöSTIGRABEN

4:31 AM ET

August 19, 2010

Re: TP Foreign Policy

Thanks, Dudley, for pointing out that the Tea Party's foreign policy is as inconsistent and poorly thought out as your domestic policy plans. Some points:

1. Decentralized terror organizations like Al-Quaeda are very, very effective at evading any attempts to "Kill them before they kill you". It's what the US has been trying to do all over the globe, yet they're still around and simply move to new hiding spots once one of their havens comes under assault. As for the Iraq war, calling the worst foreign policy blunder in recent history "partly a mistake" is the understatement of the decade. And you don't seem to realize that this blunder was due to overeager "preemption", without bothering to analyze the actual extent of the alleged threat. Now you'd like to repeat that mistake with Iran? Seriously, you people just don't learn, do you?

2. "When you fight, fight to win" - that would be a nice maxim, if you didn't interpret it to mean that the war in Afghanistan should become a no-holds-barred slaughter. The whole backbone of the recent US strategy is to minimize civilian casualties in order to win them over, because otherwise, you'll just end up bolstering the Taliban's ranks with a neverending stream of new recruits, not to mention the ethical implications of a total disregard for innocents. Sure, just keep going until they're dead. That worked really nice with the Vietcong, right?

3. "Don't skimp on defense" - how, exactly, does the US skimp on defense, when its military budget amounts to nearly half of the world's arms expenditures? The Clinton reductions (which were only serious "cutbacks" relative to GDP, the cuts in total spending were almost negligible) were an obvious reaction to the end of the Cold War and the sudden disappearance of a well-armed primary opponent. I thought you guys were so adverse to runaway government spending, but you seem to have no problems at all with spending hundreds of billions to purchase insanely expensive high-tech weapons, when the only real and potential enemies you're facing are a bunch of terrorists with home-made bombs and the assortment of third-world nations known as "rogue states". An awesome investment by any measure.

4. Missile Defense - just one quick question: have the thousands of nukes the US has in stock suddenly lost all of their value as a deterrent, and if you seriously believe that, would you support drastic cutbacks in that department to offset the costs of NMD/TMD?

 

ADAMOLUPIN

1:16 PM ET

August 19, 2010

In response to #2 because I

In response to #2 because I had to:

Ha ha! You fool! You fell victim to one of the classic blunders - The most famous of which is "never get involved in a land war in Asia" - but only slightly less well-known is this: "Never go against a Sicilian when death is on the line"!

 

MARKUSTEE

11:10 PM ET

August 22, 2010

Not what the man said, dude

"fight wars" and "don't make me pay for it"? Did you read what he said?

I don't think you did. He did not say that. He said a lot of things, but none of them were that. Isn't this supposed to be a discussion?

Read what he said. The synopsis above is a lie.

 

CARDENAS697

9:06 AM ET

August 19, 2010

Ok wait lets think about this

I always find it interesting that many people blame the American Military and the War in Afghanistan and Iraq as the reason for our deficit in this country. The Deficit in this country is caused by many factors not one. In 2007 the Federal Budget was 2,729 billion dollars of which 24% was spent on the military, 24% was spent on Health, 23% was spent on pensions, 9% on welfare and the other 20% on other programs. This information is listed on the website www.usgovernmentspending.com . If you review the data for the federal budget in 2010 pension becomes 15% while the military will decrease to 14%. I don’t know but maybe we should listen to all the ideas when it comes to our deficit and Foreign policy instead of complaining about what the Tea Party is or is not thinking. One thing is for sure stop blaming the military and the war for all are problems in our country

 

ASHOK2718

10:46 AM ET

August 19, 2010

Nobody blamed Military

They are perfectly under civilian rule and working with mandate.

And yes Iraq war was a big mistake if you still can't accept it your fault.

 

JOEMARKOWITZ

9:13 AM ET

August 19, 2010

Foreign policy divides the left also

The same debate between interventionists and isolationists has divided the Democratic Party since Vietnam. The Democrats might be doing a little better at papering over their fault lines on foreign policy issues than the Republicans are right now, but the same fault lines exist. A lot of Obama supporters on the left are not happy at all about the escalation in Afghanistan, and this unhappiness could potentially tear the left apart the same way it did during LBJ's escalation in the 1960's. Unless we start seeing some progress in Afghanistan, this split could cause more problems for the Democrats than the Republicans.

 

ASHOK2718

10:55 AM ET

August 19, 2010

Can Happines be added ?

If yes then your left of Obama would be should be happy for troops leaving Iraq that would balance for anger on troops entering Afghanistan. eh ?

 

TANIWHA

11:27 AM ET

August 19, 2010

This is a fundamental problem with the Tea Party

This issue with schizophrenic behaviour toward foreign policy is visible in a few other policy areas as well.

One example if healthcare. 99% of the TP members will rail against government healthcare until the cows come home, but at the very same time insist that their government-supplied medicare isn't touched.

Farm subsidies is another prime example - anyone who subscribes to even moderate libertarian ideas will find any kind of business subsidies anathema, yet the TP members from rural areas will never stop sucking on the farm subsidy teat.

So there's nothing new in this multiple-personality disorder with these people. There are two factors at play here. First, many of them simply don't every think about policy in the kind of detail that makes these conflicts obvious. They live by inane slogans and bumper-sticker philosophy, and they just never notice the problem.

Second, it's been shown by sociologists that people who are strong authoritarian followers are more capable than most of holding conflicting ideas in their heads with no obvious confusion. Authoritarian followers are often quite religious and they grow up being taught that the Bible is god's revealed wisdom and cannot be wrong, meanwhile many of them hold bigoted opinions and regard Christian charity as akin to communism. You can't be a proper Christian and still hate the many minority groups that exist (blacks, gays, mexicans, intellectuals, etc) but this never seems to bring them to a screeching halt as they try to reconcile these issues.

So, not only do these internal conflicts exist right across the policy spectrum, it's also highly unlikely to ever bother them much.

All of this makes the possibility of having to actually adopt policy positions once they win some seats intriquing. Most likely they will end up just adopting all GOP positions in every area, even when their theoretical beliefs are completely different. It remains to be seen if this causes any disillusionment in their member base.

I suspect it will bother a very tiny minority, but 99.9% of them will not even see it.

 

ASHOK2718

12:08 AM ET

August 20, 2010

 

MARKUSTEE

10:52 PM ET

August 22, 2010

Give me a break...

This is nonsense. It is always true that in any large group, certain members will feel strongly about certain aspects of an issue, and those that feel strongest will make the most noise. But the idea that an intelligent person that wants to reduce government will rant and rave when his medicare is cut is absurd. The intelligent person recognizes that the Medicare is a link in his chain - and wants the chains off. You are arguing that the American Indian who wanted the white man to quit destroying his culture with liquor was drunk. Be serious. The one that said "quit sending us liquor" was not the one that screamed in pain when the DT's hit him.

The TEA party does not have a cogent, coherent foreign policy. Neither does the Democratic Party, the Republican Party, the liberals, or the conservatives. Foreign policy is generally either dictated by world events, or is set by a strong leader - one person (like Nixon established foreign policy - all by his lonesome.) This organization (the CFR) has sought for years to reduce the amount of influence that America has on its own foreign policy. For the most part, they have succeeded.

If the TEA party adopts the Republican candidates, then it is finished. There has been no discernible difference between the Republicans and the Democrats in years. The former desire to bankrupt the nation and lessen the economic expectations of the people; the latter want to do it faster.

 

M_MILES

4:39 PM ET

August 19, 2010

Strange Brew, Tea Party may REJECT Obama Foreign Policy Model!

Obama uses U.S. tax dollars to try to institute "Kadhi Courts," constituting an Islamic judicial structure within the overall structure of the Kenyan legal structure.

Congressmen investigate and find Obama via Joe Biden have used $23 million dollars of our tax dollars for the item stated in the above paragraph.
To learn more visit. . .

http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=181405

Obama which of the 57 states that you mentioned is Kenya in?

Also visit the ACLJ.org

 

JKOLAK

11:51 PM ET

August 20, 2010

Internal crisis has brought

Internal crisis has brought the Tea Party to the fore, much like our Founding Fathers' Tea Party, so I wouldn't expect foreign policy consensus.

Jefferson's warning fits WWI alliance scheme that brought on an unprecedented massacre over a minor issue.

 

MARKUSTEE

10:42 PM ET

August 22, 2010

No cogent foreign policy - also true of Republicans & Democrats

No, the Tea Party doesn't have a unified foreign policy. And, as you article so poignantly pointed out, neither does the Republican Party, the Democrat Party, the conservatives, or the liberals. When it comes to foreign policy, no party and no ideology has a unified plank.

Foreign policy of the United States is dictated by the particular administration, not by the Congress, not by the CFR, not by anyone other than the Executive in the White House. Obama has a nearly identical foreign policy to Bush, which is dictated to them (by world events), more than they dictate it.

This article is misleading and deceptive. I understand that the CFR doesn't like the TEA party, but come on, be realistic. The CFR has promoted the demise and destruction of the US way of life - the "lessening of the expectations of the American citizen" since before Quigley said that he was upset that you hide that fact. The TEA party is a grass-root organization of people like me that have had enough government and seek to overthrow the notion of big government - and shrink the government back down to size - by using the legal method of the vote. While that is anathema to the academic nonsense believed by most CFR advocates, it is sensible, it has worked in the past, and it recognizes that man is inherently evil - and allowing an organization like this one to call the shots leads to slavery of the masses.

 

WGBRAND

4:09 PM ET

August 23, 2010

Genghis Kahn is the only one to ever beat the Afgans

He executed the entire population of the city of Herat. He lined them up and cut off 100000 heads and made a pyramid. He made it plain to the Pastuns that their choice was submission or genocide. Any insurgency would be punished with a massacre. The Afghans then bowed down before him. The USA could eliminate the Pasthuns within 30 minutes with a phone call to NORAD. Making an example of them would stop a lot of our foreign policy problems.

 

NAIUY

7:27 AM ET

September 15, 2010

Cut all irrelevant historical

Cut all irrelevant historical engagements and sacred cows. Admit that you can't do nation-building. Let all those who wish for American protection to ask for it explicitly and negotiate itfew decades, but if the past year is any indication, it will take more than prison to keep this tycoon away from the company he founded." Search for m2ts converter ? flv to wmv converter. Hulu Downloader . The rise of Naxals is due to the lack of political will.