State Department Innovator Goes to Google

Jared Cohen, a high-profile advocate of the State Department's forays into "21st-century statecraft," is leaving Foggy Bottom for New York. In an exclusive interview with FP, he talks about his time at State and his new project: building a "think/do tank" called Google Ideas.

INTERVIEW BY CHRISTINA LARSON | SEPTEMBER 7, 2010

On Thursday Sept. 2, Jared Cohen walked out of the Truman Building with his luggage for a final time, after four years on the State Department's Policy Planning staff, serving under both the Bush and Obama administrations. During his time in government, Cohen, who will be 29 in November, attracted much attention -- both praise and controversy -- for his unconventional thinking about statecraft: for calling on his friend Jack Dorsey to keep Twitter from going through with a scheduled maintenance shutdown during the heady days of the Iranian election last summer; for leading delegations of technology executives, including Google's Eric Schmidt, to troubleshoot problems in Iraq; and for tweeting his observations, with a touch some critics found too lighthearted, to his 300,000-plus digital followers.

Anne-Marie Slaughter, director of Policy Planning for the last year and a half, says his exuberance will be missed: "Jared's time with the Policy Planning staff was a period in which we moved from not only writing memos proposing new ideas, but also finding ways to put those ideas into practice as an initial proof of concept. We are known as the Secretary of State's think tank, but we have become a think/do tank."

In mid-October, Cohen will begin his new job as director of Google Ideas, a new division of the search giant that he is helping to launch. He will also be, as of Tuesday Sept. 7, an adjunct fellow at the Council on Foreign Relations, focusing on counter-radicalization, innovation, technology, and statecraft. Cohen is the author of two books, Children of Jihad and One Hundred Days of Silence, and despite his interest in all things new media, is also the owner of an extensive collection of rare books, presidential autographs, and 19th-century campaign memorabilia.

Cohen chatted with FP about his new gig at Google, what he's learned at State, where his interest in the intersection of technology and foreign policy began, and what he thinks his critics get wrong. Excerpts:

Foreign Policy: While you were a Rhodes Scholar at Oxford, you made your first trip to Iran for a research project. I understand that project didn't work out as planned, but the time you spent in Iran, which you later wrote about in the book Children of Jihad, spurred your inquiry into unexpected uses of technology. Tell us about that.

Jared Cohen: What I had wanted to focus on was interviewing opposition leaders, government officials, and reformers. I did interview the Iranian vice president and some opposition leaders. But the Revolutionary Guards came into my room in the middle of the night and found a list of people I wanted to interview. That made my original plan impossible, but ended up being one of the most important things to happen because in the absence of my original research being viable, I ended up just wandering the country looking for friends to hang out with.

Photo courtesy of Jared Cohen

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Christina Larson is a contributing editor at Foreign Policy and a fellow at the New America Foundation.

JOHNNYBGOOD

2:12 PM ET

September 7, 2010

well, say goodbye to the most

well, say goodbye to the most reckless high-profile government official

 

GUYVER

4:25 PM ET

September 7, 2010

Good riddance

A short trip to the Middle East qualified this man to advise the State Department on counter-radicalization? I’m sure he left a trove of successes behind him.

 

KMANSFIELD

8:22 PM ET

September 7, 2010

Who from google is on the way in?

The revolving door is working just fine.
Just like the with the Fed/Treasury on the phone to Goldmans a dozen times a day, one of these former google employees has been reprimanded for the same thing.

 

RAY GIBBS

1:31 AM ET

September 8, 2010

State Innovator Goes to Google

Intriguing. Here's wishing Mr. Cohen the best at Google.

One question and suggestion: what inside and outside connections, innovations, platforms, "stakeholders", "whole of society" might be brought to bear on Human Rights matters?

Example: Ms Ashtiani's case in Iran.

 

CAMERON URRY

5:15 PM ET

September 8, 2010

Cohen Leaves for Google

This will be a different type for job for Cohen for sure, going public to private sector. It sounds like it's a good position at Google, I can't wait to see how Google Ideas turns out. http://www.treefrogmedia.net/. "What I had wanted to focus on was interviewing opposition leaders, government officials, and reformers. I did interview the Iranian vice president and some opposition leaders. "

 

BOB JACOBSON

8:18 PM ET

September 8, 2010

Rigor?

I suppose what is provoking so much controversy here is the question of rigor. My experience of the Obama Administration so far, slight though it is many regards, is intense regarding the State Department. Rigor is not one of its great virtues.

Perhaps because the Man at the Top is a super cheerleader rather than team owner or coach, the entire Administration has a verbal, story-telling quality. It makes one question its rigor.

What I sense from the prior comments is a question whether Jared will bring rigor or narrative to Google, a company swimming in narrative, less so in rigor. I think he'll do just fine.

What concerns me -- purely as an observer -- is that Google, when it deals with "soft topics" like global and domestic policy regarding its technology and services, and information policy generally, does not import enough rigor. It imports story-telling.

Google managers of non-technical issues appear to get special dispensation to be less rigorous than Google's computer science and engineering team. Perhaps their projects and activities are thought of as geegaws from the world of human affairs, mild efforts to placate a hostile exterior world. This was the case with Google's energy policy efforts preceding the Copenhagen Climate Conference, where Google's contribution was trivial.

Google is too large and influential, and has too much at stake, for that to remain the case.

 

BOB JACOBSON

8:20 PM ET

September 8, 2010

Sorry, a small typo

Pardon a typo. Paragraph three should read,

"What I sense from the prior comments is a question whether Jared will bring rigor or narrative to Google from an agency swimming in narrative, not rigor. I think he'll do just fine."

A small change with large import.

 

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LEVANTINE

11:06 AM ET

September 10, 2010

d-bag diplomacy

wow, that had about a tweet of substance. So long Jared.

 

DANIELLA

11:45 AM ET

September 30, 2010

Jared is a superstar. I was

Jared is a superstar. I was lucky enough to accompany him on a trip to Iraq as part of the April 2009 Technology Delegation. Very excited to get him to live Google.

 

SEOADDICTION

2:10 PM ET

October 2, 2010

I think innovations to Google

I think innovations to Google is the most important step in our science. I think it is a great topic for my essay writing in university.

Alex

 

YARINSIZ

7:57 AM ET

October 3, 2010

What I sense from the prior

What I sense from the prior comments is a question whether Jared will bring rigor or narrative to Google, a company swimming in narrative, less so in rigor. I think he'll do just fine.

 

YARINSIZ

8:51 PM ET

October 3, 2010

This was the case with

This was the case with Google's energy policy efforts preceding the Copenhagen Climate Conference, where Google's contribution was trivial.
Google is too large and influential, sesli and has too much at stake, for that to remain the case.