Not Settling For Less

Foreign Policy speaks to Daniel Dayan, a leader of the Israeli West Bank settler movement, about holding Benjamin Netanyahu to his word, and how if Barack Obama were any worse he’d be Bill Clinton.

INTERVIEW BY DAVID KENNER | SEPTEMBER 21, 2010

Only three weeks after the fragile Middle East peace talks kicked off, they could easily run aground over the thorny issue of Israeli settlement construction. And it is little surprise that, in this struggle for territory, there is little common ground among the advocates and detractors of Israel's settlement project in the West Bank. The settlements are either a violation of the Palestinian right to a sovereign state and an increasingly daunting obstacle to a lasting peace, or the natural expansion of the Jewish community into their ancient homeland of Judea and Samaria.

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's partial moratorium on settlement construction is set to expire on Sept. 26. Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas has demanded an extension of the freeze -- a position supported by President Barack Obama's administration. Netanyahu, however, has remained adamant that construction will resume when the moratorium ends.

What has caused the Israeli prime minister to risk the ire of his powerful American ally? In part, it is the Yesha Council, an umbrella organization of Jewish settlements in the West Bank that presses the communities' case with Israeli leaders. More than one-third of the Israeli Knesset is a member of the Land of Israel caucus, which supports the settlement enterprise. The movement is led by Daniel Dayan - the organization's first secular leader and a resident of the Maale Shomron settlement in the northern West Bank, which is the home to approximately 600 people.

Foreign Policy spoke with Dayan by phone about what he expects to happen after the settlement freeze expires, how his organization can put pressure on Netanyahu, and why he considers Obama "the most hostile president toward Israel that I can remember."

Foreign Policy: What do you believe will happen when the moratorium on settlement construction expires? What are your plans?

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Daniel Dayan: You have to understand that the expiration of the moratorium is a precondition for the ability to build, but it is not a sufficient condition. In order to build at full pace we need the government to publish tenders for construction, mainly in Judea and Samaria [the West Bank], and these are questions we have to deal with.

Not extending the moratorium but not publishing new tenders for construction will mean a de facto prolongation of the moratorium. In the cabinet decision of November 2009 [that imposed the freeze] there were two parts: The first part was the moratorium itself, the ten-month freeze. The second part was a clause that said, at the end of the moratorium construction will be renewed as it was in the former government. We expect the government to stand by this commitment as meticulously as it enforced the first part of the resolution.

Otherwise, of course, we will exert our political leverage in the Israeli political system to make sure that the expiration of the moratorium is not just de facto but that it means proper construction.

FP: Obama has engaged in a very public outreach to Jewish leaders in the United States as these negotiations got off the ground. Have you seen any shift in his tone in the past months?

DD: I would say that we have seen a more polite attitude toward Prime Minister Netanyahu. We still remember the shameless, ugly picture the White House released a year ago with President Obama speaking with Prime Minister Netanyahu by phone with his feet on the table. I still remember the ugly treatment Prime Minister Netanyahu, as a representative of the people of Israel, got during several of his previous visits to Washington.

Unfortunately, I think that President Obama is the most hostile president toward Israel that I can remember. You have to understand that [Obama's rhetoric] has political significance. I think that the fact that President Obama, with his cold attitude toward Israel, raised expectations on the Palestinian side so high that it will create frustration when those expectations are not fulfilled. And you know, unfortunately, frustration in the Middle East usually leads to violence.

You know who is the American president that caused the most damage in the Middle East? It was Bill Clinton. Bill Clinton took office in January 1993, when the Middle East was relatively calm, by Middle Eastern standards. And he stepped down from office in January 2001, when the Middle East was in a completely chaotic and violent situation.

I think it is not a coincidence that happened during President Clinton's administration, because he was the president that advocated most actively and most aggressively [for] the establishment of a Palestinian state. He raised expectations that he could not fulfill, because the demands of the Palestinians are unfulfillable.

I pray that President Obama does not break President Clinton's record in worsening the situation in the Middle East. But I fear that he will.

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David Kenner is an assistant editor at Foreign Policy.

SAWADEE

9:59 PM ET

September 21, 2010

Put up and shut up.

Personally, as a fan of Israel and understanding of Israel's many attempts to make peace, I would look forward to an extension of the moratorium so that when the Palestinians again cause the talks to fail, at least then they cannot use this building issue to become an Israel cause of fault which harmed the talks.

Think of it this way - ten months ago, not only did Netanyahu talk about a building moratorium, but also he asked for talks. For the ten months since, no building, and three more requests for peace talks. Now that it's 10 months down, all of a sudden the Palestinians want a continued moratorium.

Hey, Geniuses!!! If you want a country, why not meet to discuss a country and then HAVE a country?

Stop the nonsense. Either you want a country or not.

 

AVNER STEIN

1:04 AM ET

September 22, 2010

Israel isn't obligated to continue a settlement freeze

The freeze was a good-faith gesture demanded by Obama. The Palestinians failed to reciprocate.

It's been 10 months of an imperfect but largely successful settlement freeze. Israel, as a democracy, answers to the Israeli people. Not Barack Obama. Not the UN. And certainly not the Palestinians.

The settlements are non-issue and everyone knows it. a comprehensive poll of the Palestinians show time and time again they oppose a boycott on settlement construction.

The settlements sit on less than 5% of the WEST BANK! 5%!!! 95% of all Palestinians live independently of Israeli settlers, and settlers cannot even enter Palestinian cities. It is against the law!

Israel even built roads around Palestinian cities to satisfy the demands of racist leaders.

I mean, how ridiculous - to think living 10 kilometers away from Jerusalem automatically makes you a crazy settler. I support normalized relations between Israelis and Palestinians in the WB and I think the settlements will play an integral role in the future Palestinian economy.

Israel is Palestine's #1 trading partner. The Arab states don't give a shit about em'.

Just ask Abbas. Remember that big fundraiser for Gaza at the UN? The whole Arab League promising billions in aid?

Well, it was all a show. They haven't honored 10% of their promise. Israel has given more.

LOL

 

ARIELY

12:03 PM ET

September 22, 2010

Dont repeat the same mistakes

THE TRUTH IN ARABIC—NOT IN ENGLISH

1: !!! ""The peace talks with Israel are part of Arab strategy to isolate Israel and threaten its legitimacy.""
(Ambassador Abdullah Abdullah in Lebanon)

Arabs are playing once again the lying double language.
To infidels in English – masking Arabs intentions-- The lying language
To Arabs in Arabic - the truth.
link describes the lying cult
http://www.islamreview.com/articles/lying.shtml

2:Every group of people prefers to be governed by their own.

Artificial boarders or imposed boarders are major reasons to conflicts.

Examples:
Canada-French want their state: Belgian Flames want separations. Basques in Spain and France. Irish and Scotts independence from UK . Many wars in Africa because tribes have been separated or united by Europeans in artificial state. Kashmir- Cyprus- Kurds in Turkey and Iran.
The Balkan wars. The former USSR dissolving into many states and current wars in Russia.

Avoid future similar conflicts while defining boarders between the Jewish Israel and the Arab Palestine

ARABS GOVEREN ED BY ARABS. JEWS BY ISRAEL

Israel will hand over to Palestinian government land inhabited by Arabs from Israel and Jews from settlements should be governed by Israel
Both Arabs and Jew will remain in their current homes, villages and towns- nobody will have to move physically. Nobody will be transferred

3; SOLVE THE CONFLICT?
DEAL WITH THE CORE ISSUES. THOSE WILL UNVEILE ARABS GOAL.

4: What are the core Issues?
4:1 – Arabs refusal to recognize the legitimacy of the Jews to state in their 3500 old homeland.
4.2 The refugees: 1.000.000 Jews from Arab countries -650.000 Arab refugees from mandatory Palestine.
Most of Jews were expelled by Arabs.
Most of the Arabs leave obeying Arab leader's advice.
4.4; Jerusalem
Arab holly places governed by Arabs.
All the other governed by Israel.
(Arabs have a very poor record of protecting or offering equality to infidel cultures.
They should not be in charge with Christian most important holly places)

 

NOM DE GUERRE 1967

3:09 PM ET

September 22, 2010

How about an analytical analysis of settlement expansion?

If one listens to supporters of Israeli actions, it is claimed that new settlements are built in regions already effectively removed from consideration for the formation an envisioned Palestinian state. It is claimed these regions are in the interior of regions likely to remain in Israeli control in a two-state scenario due to extensive existing adjacent settlements. Therefore, it is argued, this continuing settlement does not preclude the potential for a Palestinian state. Supporters of the Palestinian cause tend to argue the opposite; continuing settlement is eating up so much land that a contiguous Palestinian state will eventually become impossible. Whom am I to believe? Advocates of both positions tend to yell and scream without providing much substance.

I would like to see this issue analyzed more objectively and analytically. Suppose you were to take a map of the region and put pushpins covering all of Israel and Israeli settlements and then tightly wrap a rubber band around this collection of points (mathematically this is referred to as the complex hull of the points). I would like to see a plot of the area inside "the rubber band" as a function of time. If the position of the Israeli supporters is true, then despite continued construction, this area would not increase substantially or at all. If the supporters of the Palestinians position are correct, then this area would been observed to increase noticeably with time. Maybe this is a foolishly trivial way to look at the problem, but it is true that similar metrics have been used to analyze the extent to which American voting districts have been gerrymandered, e.g., one can look at the ratio of the area of a voting district to the area of the smallest circle that completely contains the voting district and a significant disparity indicates significant gerrymandering.

 

AVNER STEIN

10:14 PM ET

September 22, 2010

Tell me

Why can't Jews live in a future Palestine?

20% of Israel is Arabs. Arabs can live anywhere they want in Israel.

And yet, it is illegal for Jews to live in "Palestine." Over 1,000,000 Jews were cleansed from the Arab nations after Israel's independence, their land flooded with Arab settlers.

None of the settlements in Israel are being built on land lived on by Arabs. In fact, the settlements contribute a shit ton of money to the Palestinian territories, and like I said before the majority of Palestinians do not support a settlement freeze.

Why is it okay for Arabs to demand a Jew-free Palestine? Why no cries of apartheid and bigotry?

EH?

 

VALKYRIE

12:57 PM ET

September 26, 2010

That would make perfect sense

if there were no fences or settler-only roads or anything like that.

 

VALKYRIE

12:59 PM ET

September 26, 2010

 

AEHSAN

3:15 AM ET

September 23, 2010

Agree with Stein

1 state - no discrimination. Full rights and dump the religous nonsense. WIll this kill Zionism - sure but thats not anti-semitism. We do not believe in Islamic states (As I muslim i also disagree with that concept) so why a Jewish one? Secular states for all!

 

AVNER STEIN

3:50 AM ET

September 23, 2010

False Jewish and Islamic parallels

Israel is a Jewish nation, not a Judaism nation.

There are 23 Arab nations but 50 Muslim states.

Israel's status as a Jewish state is only fair if 23 Arab nations are allowed to exist.

Zionism = Jewish self-determination. Nothing sinister about it, and nothing inherently religious about it.

Anyone who says Jews have no right to a state need to look in the mirror. They deserve a state more than any other people, especially Arabs.

 

ITONLYSTANDSTOREASON

6:28 PM ET

September 23, 2010

Preconditions

It's a bit hypocritical for Dayan to complain about Palestinian preconditions as he strives to impose the far more concrete precondition of houses and feet on the ground.

But I doubt he sees it that way - because he represents those who think the original preconditions where ordained by Yaweh, and because he has absolutely no interest in any outcome other than keeping Palestinians under the Israeli thumb.

 

MASINI

7:29 AM ET

September 29, 2010

I have nothing to say. What

I have nothing to say. What is this American president in that area? Brings America or Israel? President America has to lead America, not to be driven back by some people who think they are Hebrew, and thereby to interfere in these matters. We as a country we must respect any nation, no matter who is president. People there must be respected. If we begin to respect each other, these conflicts will disappear. piese auto online tractoare de vanzare