Wallowing in Decline

Americans have gone from gloating over their global influence to bemoaning the loss of it. They were wrong then, and they're wrong now.

BY JAMES TRAUB | SEPTEMBER 24, 2010

I suspect that Mandelbaum and Walt are right about transformational undertakings like Iraq and Afghanistan, which have increasingly come to feel like acts of folly, or hubris. (In Shteyngart's novel, the United States has embarked on a catastrophic invasion of Venezuela.) But does the same reasoning apply to the civilian effort -- the state-building effort -- in Pakistan, as Mandelbaum argues? What about, say, the upcoming effort in Southern Sudan: Should the people of that region vote for independence in the referendum next January? Should a superpower living within its straitened means confine itself to encouraging market reform? After all, classic deterrence, which keeps American soldiers quartered all over the globe, is vastly more expensive than state-building. The real question is whether a post-hegemonic United States should continue to try to do the difficult things that do not enjoy a great deal of support from an increasingly agitated and impatient public, but are nevertheless extremely important.

Well, what else is leadership for? President Barack Obama devoted almost half of his speech to the U.N. General Assembly this week to the promotion of democracy and human rights abroad -- the very definition of the "philanthropic" policy that his predecessor so ruinously pursued and upon which the American people seem to have turned their back. China, of course, suffers from no such imperial distractions. But Obama's appeal, unlike George W. Bush's, focused on institutions the United States would support, rather than on American unilateral will and capacity. His administration, he said, would seek to foster civil society organizations around the world; would fund UNDEF, the United Nations' democracy program; and would promote transparency in closed societies. Obama specifically asked the emerging-power democracies to make a comparable pledge. It was a policy that acknowledged the limits -- though not the economic limits -- of American power.

The way I would put the post-hegemonic dilemma is that the United States must leverage the international system to produce outcomes that promote its national security: whether in regard to regulating the global economy, stopping nuclear proliferation, propping up weak states, or promoting democracy and good governance abroad; but that system has become less tractable as America's relative position has slipped. Washington cannot, for example, solve the problem of Iran on its own -- and only through the most lavish effort can it keep other key states in line. Newcomers to the international order like Brazil and Turkey, and above all China, feel they have more to gain than to lose by advancing their own interests when they conflict with Washington's. Yet what choice does the United States have, save navigating this turbulent system and seeking to shape it so that it better serves American ends?

Even more important, would much of the world really welcome a chastened United States which sticks to its knitting, pursues self-interest narrowly defined, and stows away the language of universal values? For a little while, perhaps it would. After all, Washington has committed a multitude of sins in the name of those values. But the celebration would die away soon enough: If the sole superpower won't take up the hard jobs, no one else will either.

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James Traub is a contributing writer for the New York Times Magazine and author of, most recently, The Freedom Agenda. "Terms of Engagement," his column for ForeignPolicy.com, runs weekly.

MALICEIT

8:30 PM ET

September 24, 2010

RE:

Neo-Isolationism is the best option

 

AND REW

10:20 PM ET

September 24, 2010

RE

Well the rational mind says when you are stuck in two middle of nowhere countries and don't know what to do. When you are deep into debt and have a 1.7 T federal budget deficit, state deficits not included, all your infrastructure are broken apart, your financial system was about to completely collapse and 2 of your biggest auto makers went bankrupt, your nation is divided and the cost of college and healthcare are rising like a tower in Shanghai, some other third world countries are booming and one of them just became the second largest economy, you are still stuck with a high unemployment rate and your children in particular and the nation as a whole have become so lazy, irresponsible and ironically success-bashing. Your society has become a place where hard work and ambition aren't appreciated, a country that has traded its protestant work ethic with India and China and its congress can't compromise on the most simple issues. Then I think it's safer to feel negative about your future as a super power than positive.

 

BOB JACOBSON

4:09 PM ET

September 29, 2010

Your contempt for the American people isn't fetching.

Protestant work ethic isn't as you are using it. It meant being specially chosen by God to excel, therefore you had to work hard to be worthy. It's obvious to most Americans now that they aren't being chosen to do anything other than labor and consume, at someone else's behest -- usually someone who feels imbued with the Protestant ethnic.

Who the hell cares about being a superpower, anyway? That's the Protestant ethic at work.

 

AEHSAN

11:05 PM ET

September 24, 2010

rosier from the outside

US altruism is a myth - ask anyone in the bulk of the Worlds countries and they'll tell you the US was just another side of the 'evil' USSR coin. So a chastened weaker US and more multi-polar World can't arrive fast enough.

 

FREETRADER

8:53 AM ET

September 26, 2010

Well,

I suppose if you can see no difference between the US and the former USSR, then you will undoubtedly get the result you deserve.

 

MAGGIORIANO

11:28 AM ET

September 25, 2010

US

From what I have understood, the US are described as a power which has excerced its pressure in the name of ethical values (democracy etc) and its place is defined as a "job".
It remembers me the "mission" of the UK at the start of the XXth century and likewise the UK, the US policy everywhere has been inspired solely by pragmatic purposes: the interests of the ruling class of Washington (for example in S.America or in the Middle East) or the survival of the country, naturally.
Now I consider this to be normal and I personally value the US as a great ally of Europe, however the American power is no way better than anyone else and its aspirations aren't higher than the simple supremacy over the others.
Rarely the US have acted to instaure democracy whenever it was against the interests of its ruling class (remember the dollar diplomacy ? at least if i am not wrong) and rarely its interventions have really been constructive in the last years.
The US foreign policy is in no way different from the European ones or even the Chinese ones, which often make unethical compromises in the name of the raison d'état, for this I feel that the "we are better" praise must end, a multi lateral world would really be better than one dominated by a unique power.
The US are not an innovative power, they are one based on the status quo, like anyother in this world, for now the only difference it's the superior military power of America and its partnership with the West.
I hope that what I wrote makes sense and that i didn't misunderstand the article (it may happen)...

 

S P DUDLEY

1:34 PM ET

September 26, 2010

Wilson Bad, TR Good

The US's foreign policy influence is collapsing as we are reaching the end of our Wilsonian philosophy of copying European imperial methods and coupling them with a "win the world for democracy" theme. We shout that we are all for democracy but the methods we use are parallel to those that the British and French did for a century before us.

While Bush 43 is often chided as the extreme example of this, there are some interesting differences that would prove that he worked against this "Wilsonian" view and not for it. One is that the "Wilsonian" system works in conjunction with the European powers, essentially supplanting the former major powers with the USA but performing the same role. Bush on the other hand, worked in complete defiance of all of the major European powers except the UK.

The other is that in "Wilsonian" foreign policy, adherence to democracy is effectively a political cover. As good historians know, Wilson didn't give a rat's ass about actual democracy, and was quite happy to support propped-up governments that went against popular will, both in Europe and in Latin America (where Wilson was perhaps the most aggressive in imposing US will). Certainly at home Wilson's disparaging views on civil rights and racial relations cut against a truly democratic view.

In Bush 43 however, there was true and serious work to support burgeoning democracy in Iraq. Don't ask the politicians for this as it goes against the "narrative", but ask the soldiers and they'll tell you of incessant work to provide the Shiite majority with the tools and means to take power and hold it responsibility. The push for support of democratic and emerging states by Bush 43 also took hold in places not well covered by the mainstream media, such as Georgia, Azeribaijan, and in East Africa, and especially in Eastern Europe. This sort of policy annoyed the elites both in the US and overseas as the US support for democratic states is not actually supposed not be in opposition to the other greater powers such as Russia. So out come the charges of "unilateralism" but in fact Bush and Blair had their own view and were moving ahead with a more freedom-based policy than those in the Ivy League and Geneva were proposing.

In effect Bush 43, and Reagan before him, were not following Wilson but rather Theodore Roosevelt. Like Wilson, TR foresaw a major role in US affairs, but unlike Wilson TR saw no need to adhere to the European powers in such a role. TR envisioned an independent US, working on its own priorities and joining forces with whatever allies we could actually work with. Such a policy relies heavily on the maintenance of military force, but yet used sparingly and decisively. Such a policy also relies on NGOs (as Bush/Blair did) doing the field work of promoting positive values in the developing world, but not as part of some overreaching system like the UN.

Most of all, despite all that the mainstream media and Ivy Leagues have screamed and screamed at the top of their lungs, the Bush/Blair foreign policy respected the wishes of the nations and peoples they worked with and formed true alliances. If you don't believe me, ask the Kurds, or the Georgians, or Qatar and Jordan, or Azjeribaijan, or the newly liberated Eastern European nations from Estonia to the Ukraine, or the emerging powers in East Africa, or Columbia, and yes please also ask the Israelis as they carry the heaviest of all burdens against oppressors that we face in today's world.

Compare all of that to the current occupant of the White House and the differences are stunning. The current disintegration of US foreign policy comes as the strongest adherents to the Wilson system over-commit the US to all of the wrong policies. The results of all of this are obvious, but the death of Wilson's policy won't be the end of US dominance but rather the liberation of the US from a failed world view that is incapable of coping with the threats of terrorism, tyranny, and malicious powers that we currently face.

 

VMITCHELL

2:42 PM ET

September 26, 2010

The US is much stronger than we believe

Many, many reasons to understand the extraordinary strengths of the US and for optimism in the future:

1) The US is the world's largest manufacturer, with a gross output of nearly $5 trillion ( >$2 trillion in GDP contribution) producing 20% of all the world's manufactured goods, a market share it has held for decades - Japan and the EU have had their shares decline precipitously, something rarely noted - also America produces one-third of all the world's high tech goods. (manufacturing jobs have been lost in less competitve industries, yet has remained strong in higher value industries)
2) The US spends 35-40% of the world's research and development money, guarenteeing future prosperity
3) At $15 trillion, it remains by far the largest economy in the world, 3x's larger than China
4) The US is deliberative, self-critical, and self correcting, and so unlike those in Europe and the Middle East incessantly criticizing the US, it is dynamic and fluid, changing as it needs to--identifying problems and rapidly fixing them
5) Its unmatched culture of leading universities, think-tanks, public debates, entrpreneurship, coupled with its domination of technology and science provides it with an extraordinary productivity and potential.
6) Despite what some may say, the US, without imposing, has the most attractive culture the world over; this is a reflection of the overt and subtle things about America and Americans which makes it so emulated and great.
7) The net worth of Americans even after the 'Great Recession' is some $60 trillion, a sum equivalent to the entire world's annual output (GDP).

 

MALICEIT

3:21 PM ET

September 26, 2010

lets put blind patriotism to the side...

1) America doesn't produce anything except low maintenance public goods, that will cost more if imported (matches, flags, ect.) and military equipment.
2) 35-40 % of world's research money while Japan are at least 20 years in the future with consumer tech and Russia 14 years with military tech.
3) 15 trillion of printed money. (search "2008 financial meltdown")
4)The US is deliberative, self-critical, and self correcting so it took almost 100 years for black people have their rights back, 50 years for unions to be recognized, and you cant fix the economy (look at #3)
5)There are only 8 leading universities (read Ivy league); think tanks, public debates, entrepreneurship are anywhere in Europe; technology domination and science ? wow...ever heard of Japan ?
6) Europe.
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7)#3

 

BOB JACOBSON

2:22 PM ET

September 27, 2010

Tending to our own.

Observing China's multi-trillion dollar-investment in infrastructure and national development, Thomas Friedmann reminds us not to worry. We have our own multi-trillion-dollar investment in infrastructure: Afghanistan.

He might also have included the secret wars we are abetting to keep order in the imperial world, and 700 military bases, 20 aircraft carriers, and similar investments in our most important infrastructure: global fear.

If a "chastened" America results in our looking after our own needs as well as we look after the needs of overseas interests -- interests always tied up with the needs of multinational corporations, the military-industrial complex, hedge fund investors, and the 2% who currently rule the USA -- then bring it on.

If we also need to instill and join a global effort to fight climate change and other universal disasters, how can we possibly do that while battling the world? Of course, we cannot. And must not. My scientist friends say that we are far closer to exceeding disaster-invoking thresholds than anyone has dared to admit, for fear of spreading panic and disbelief. We need to get cracking on this NOW.

We have so much to do besides propping up a collapsing empire at the risk of likely national bankruptcy, why is there even a debate on this issue?

I agree with the author, it's time to start thinking post-hegemony. It's the only sane thing to do. Living in an insane America is becoming intolerable.

 

THEENDISFAR

4:12 PM ET

September 27, 2010

Returning to Limited Gov't

Central Planning is the root of most if not all of the US's problems. Both Financially, the Unconstitutional Federal Reserve, and Politically, the Federal Gov't operating outside of Article 1 Section 8.

If the Unconstitutional 16th Amendment (violates Art 1 Sec 2 & 9) were not in place then the Federal Gov't would not have the infinite Line of Debt the Federal Reserve (Unconstitutional, violates Art 1 Sec 8) is ever so happy to extend for Wars that are only Profitable to corporations and the owners of the Central Bank (Fed Reserve). Well, Politicians of the Two Ruling Parties benefit greatly too.

Anthropogenic Global Warming has passed the point of being a terrible hypothesis to becoming outright fraud. Convection and Evaporation are the two primary means for the surface to cool and neither are impeded by the GHE. They are in fact increased (cooling rate) as surface temps increase preserving the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics.

Convection and Evaporation are marginalized by AGW Advocates, but the numbers do not lie, Radiation is a very inefficient means of energy transfer as compared to Convection and Evaporation.

The reason there is a debate going on is 100+ years of a Progressive Gov't. If the Gov't had been held to its Limited (Enumerated) powers then most of the ills we are facing could not have come to fruition.

 

BOB JACOBSON

4:03 PM ET

September 29, 2010

Please do not reply to me with denial paranoia.

I won't be drawn into an argument about the future climate. I know where I stand and it's with the climatologists who spend lifetimes studying such matters.

Fatuous conversations are one reason why we are unable to concentrate on identifying, let alone solving the myriad problems that confront humanity and our slice of it, the USA, at this time.

Thanks but no thanks.

 

V.S.

6:53 PM ET

September 27, 2010

Lollipops, rainbows, unicorns

"Yet what choice does the United States have, save navigating this turbulent system and seeking to shape it so that it better serves American ends?"

My fear is that the US political system has become too entrenched in asinine populist rhetoric to address this reality with sufficient vigor. There is no damn choice; either the importance of this issue is accepted and dealt with, or the nation continues to be dragged under the current.

How long can the US stand to have major foreign policy decisions dictated by something other than reality?

 

NICHOLAS WIBBERLEY

4:17 PM ET

September 28, 2010

Appearance is Reality

Reality is the way you see things. It is tempered by your vocabulary, your culture, and innumerable unsubstantiated convictions. It is not conceivable that it can be the same for all; one man’s thunder is the anger of another man’s god.

 

CHARLEYMILLER2010

12:05 PM ET

September 28, 2010

STOP THE INSANITY

The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again expecting different results. Its out of control as it is now, we all can see that.

I believe a new model is here for the 21st century, remembering President Bill Clinton, I embrace this new "third way politics."

I am unaffiliated for US Senate in Colorado, not a DEM or an REP

check me out and thanks for the comments.

http://blogtalkradio/charleymiller2010
http://charleymiller2010.wordpress.com
http://twitter/charleym2010

charleymiller2010

 

BOB JACOBSON

4:25 PM ET

September 29, 2010

Why is it...?

Almost invariably, not just on this but on most blogs, conversations start off erudite, well crafted, pointed, and informative -- but soon drop off an intellectual abyss? Why do some people just have to say something even if it is without meaning, even if it means turning off others who may be reading for meaning? Wow. So much for open invention.

 

HAMDU

1:16 PM ET

October 10, 2010

President Bill Clinton, I embrace this new

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CANDIE SODEMAN

9:29 AM ET

October 24, 2010

Wallowing in Decline

Americans have gone from gloating over their global influence to bemoaning the loss of it. They were wrong then, and they're wrong now. I won't be drawn into an argument about the future climate. I know where I stand and it's with the climatologists who spend lifetimes studying such matters. Fatuous conversations are one reason why we are unable to concentrate on identifying, let alone solving the myriad problems that confront humanity and our slice of it, the USA, at this time. "Mandelbaum holds the odd view that from World War II through the end of the Cold War, the United States deployed force to defend itself, and since then has done so in support of "worthy causes all over the planet," whether stopping genocide or promoting democracy in the Middle East. But a cash-strapped leviathan must return to being a status quo power rather than a "philanthropic" one casa grande term life insurance quotes. Here at Foreign Policy, Stephen Walt argues, I think with more plausibility, that the United States has "chosen to do a few things that are very difficult" and has failed, while China has enjoyed the advantage of pursuing self-interest in the most narrow and straightforward fashion. Walt suggests that America stick to what it does best: "deterring large-scale aggression," "brokering peace deals," and "encouraging intelligent liberalization of the world economy. "" "Yet what choice does the United States have, save navigating this turbulent system and seeking to shape it so that it better serves American ends?" My fear is that the US political system has become too entrenched in asinine populist rhetoric to address this reality with sufficient vigor. There is no damn choice; either the importance of this issue is accepted and dealt with, or the nation continues to be dragged under the current. How long can the US stand to have major foreign policy decisions dictated by something other than reality?.