Romas: Europe's Wanderers

Kicked out of France and unwanted in the countries to which they are forced to return, the Roma are a part of a new Europe that everyone would rather ignore.

SEPTEMBER 28, 2010

Two girls sit in front of a caravan during the visit of Versailles bishop Eric Aumonier in a Roma camp on Aug. 28 in Carrieres-sous-Poissy, west of Paris. France has continued to deport Roma even as Brussels called the expulsions a "disgrace" and threatened legal action over the French government's clampdown. France has deported nearly 9,000 Roma to date in 2010.

ANDREI PUNGOVSCHI/AFP/Getty Images

 
 

1040

6:04 AM ET

September 29, 2010

Clarification

Being a native of the town of Yambol, Bulgaria I feel obliged to correct some factual inconsistencies in this slideshow. Picture #10, showing an apartment building in ruins was not designated to house Roma returning from France. First of all the predominant majority of the deported Roma were Romanian nationals, just about 40 or so were holders of Bulgarian passports, and to my knowledge none of them used to live in Yambol, or the vicinity, so that no provisions had to be made to house additional people in this building. Quite the contrary.

This Soviet-style panel building was erected in the 1980's in an apparent attempt from the communist government to integrate the Roma by mixing them with Bulgarians. The idea however backfired badly, when all of the Bulgarians moved out, because the Roma started to "consume" the apartments, they were allotted, and held live stock and other animals (not pets, farm animals) on their balconies. You probably wonder what I mean by "consume", well just look at the photo. This building wasn't bombed, although one might think so looking at it - its residents actually tore down their own walls and extracted plumbing pipes to get to the metal, which then they sold as recycling material. They lit fires inside, burning the parquet and window frames, this went on for about 25 to 30 years, which in hindsight sort of explains the condition of the building, doesn't it?

Now, back in May this year the mayor of Yambol took the only reasonable decision, that had been put off by his predecessors for decades, and evicted the occupants an ordered the razing of the building, because it had become a severe hazard to anyone, who would dare to approach it. Not to mention the seismological activity of the area, where earthquakes in the range of 3 to 4 on Richter's scale are by no means a rarity. Of course, now he has to deal whit all kinds of political correctness and equal rights activists, who try to earn their living by protesting whatever measure they feel adverse towards the Roma. In this case putting the Roma out of harm's way, and NOT prosecuting them for the destruction of municipal property, not to mention the outstanding rents and electric bills for the past 25 years or so. I wonder what would have happened, if, God forbid, the building had collapsed in an earthquake. I assume the same people would have been all over the world media accusing the Bulgarians of genocide, for purposefully giving a whole apartment building to the Roma, knowing they would compromise its structure, and then causing a natural disaster.

The buildings in the background of picture #13 are wrongly described as “abandoned”, they may be no eye candy, but they were erected at exactly the same time as the ruins in picture #10, and yet people still live there. The only difference is their occupants.

 

PASSPORT ADMINISTRATOR

11:38 AM ET

September 29, 2010

Errors Corrected

Thanks for pointing out the errors. We corrected the captions on photos 10 and 13. FP regrets the errors.

 

SQUEEDLE

2:56 PM ET

September 29, 2010

Doesn't mean there's not racism

I've heard this story from more than one person and I have to say, this was really poorly thought through. If the Bulgarian government had had any sense at all they would not have just handed over a brand new building to people who obviously didn't know how to live in it, then just mixed them with a whole other ethnic group and expected them to play nicely.

One sees the same things in inner cities here in the US - subsidized housing does tend to get trashed. It's simple ignorance, yes, sometimes it's appalling ignorance, but that's reality. They don't take care of those buildings because they don't know any better. To you and me it's common sense, but to them it isn't - they were only living in those places the same way they've always lived in their own houses. If the government wanted this program to succeed, they should have trained people how to take care of these homes. But that's hard, a lot harder than just building a building, rounding people up and making them live there.

And what did the government expect them to do with their livestock? Was there an enclosure, that was lockable, where people could keep an eye on their chickens and whatnot? Were they supposed to just get rid of them, fall on their knees in gratitude and completely abandon all aspects of their own cultural identity, their language and behave exactly like everyone else? If you think any group of people is going to do that you're barking mad.

Speaking of being realistic about cultural identity, I certainly don't expect white Europe (oh, let's be fair and include Turkish society too) to just one day quit hating the Roma; it's a centuries old pastime. Europeans seem to look for reasons to hate them. Based on my personal, first hand observation, I have found most of the criticism to be unfair, irrational, or coming from a complete failure to understand (and no interest in doing so) what it's like to be that poor and oppressed. Blacks here in the US refer to it as "War on the Poor."

As with any longstanding problem like this, there are stubbornly ingrained dysfunctions in each group. Don't think that I am pretending there is no alcoholism, domestic abuse, or crime families among the Roma. There are certain aspects of traditional Romani culture that frankly, deserve to die (child brides come to mind). But that is true of any culture (I wish reality TV would die a horrible painful death). However, I've spent rather a lot of time with decent, law-abiding, gainfully employed Roma in and out of Europe, and I hate to tell you, but many Europeans seem to pretend not to see those; instead they talk about the ones who are criminals and nuisances. This is exactly like saying all blacks are gang members and carry guns.

Having grown up in a very racist area, I know racism when I see it. The language used by European racists talking about Roma is identical to the way the people around me talked about black people - just swap out "nigger" and put in "dirty gypsy" and it's the same thing. From personal experience, even if you don't think you're a racist, even if you don't want to be a racist, when you grow up around that kind of systemic, cultural prejudice, it gets inside you anyway. Getting rid of that takes active work and a willingness to recognize it in oneself. There are real problems here, and valid criticisms, but that doesn't mean the people talking aren't racist. People have to address that issue first because it clouds judgment about everything else.

 

NSC LOS ANGELES

8:23 PM ET

September 29, 2010

I sometimes question the

I sometimes question the sanity of responding to absurd posts like these, particularly when you equate reality TV with the horrors of culturally sanctioned child rape (the cultural relativism knows no bounds with bleeding heart types like yourself).

Two quick points warrant mentioning: 1) I’d love to know which "personal firsthand observation" you would like to cite in terms of criticism of the Roma being “unfair.” I’ve interacted with these people (not by choice) in four countries over 10 years and found them consistently aggressive, filthy and inclined towards theft of some kind, so from my "personal firsthand observation" I'd call these criticisms quite fair indeed. You would like to completely absolve the Roma of any responsibility for the "racism" they face, but the simple fact is they exist largely by stealing and therefore are at least somewhat deserving of the “persecution” they have received.

2) As for the “war on the poor,” and their inability to refrain from destroying the dwellings they are given (and how this somehow society’s fault), you seem to place 100% of the blame on external conditions, not the failure of the individual. Exaclty who should be responsible for helping these “poor, oppressed” black Americans learn to do things like not destroy their own homes?

Good grief, your wooly-headed notions may be what passes for “academic discourse” these days but these silly ideas wear pretty thin outside any environment that doesn’t feature corduroy blazers with elbow patches. I'm sure you wouldn't be averse to taking some "oppressed" black Americans or Roma into your home and personally schooling them in the ways of the civilized world? Right then, sign yourself up straight away.

 

APRILERZ

3:43 PM ET

October 1, 2010

In response to NSC LOS ANGELES

How dare you act like you can justify who exactly Roma people are because you claim to have 10 years of experience with them? I don't care how long you have seen a Roma person walk by you, but you most likely have never really acquainted yourself with one. I lived with a family, and my host father is Roma, and he's one of the most hardest working and intelligent people I know since I moved to Bulgaria from America. And I've made friends with many Roma people who are also very hard working and are able to provide for their families and have a great roof over their heads. Sure there may be many Romas suffering from poverty and have commited to crime, but what ethnic group has not? Why does it seem like you only want to persecute Roma people for crime? And who are you to suddenly decide the categories of others? People like you and your close mindedness are actually one of the things that make our world even worst. Of course some individuals have to take responsibility for their actions, but not all people want to live in those harsh conditions. There are many people who work extremely hard to get out of these lifestyles. You honestly don't care enough about humanity to conceive the idea. I assume you're of European descent and view yourslf as high and mighty. It doesn't feel good to be grouped into that one category either, does it? You probably have never lived a day in your life as a minority, so you have no right to claim you know Roma people and act as if you are the most sane person in this issue. I don't claim a stake in knowing Roma people, but I do know what it's like to be a minority and suffer from poverty. You don't understand suppression, and you'll never understand what it's like to grow up in harsh conditions.

And as for signing up. I actually have. I have taught minority children in America. And right now I teach kids in Bulgaria, and majority of my kids are Roma. My kids have amazing hearts, unlike cruel adults like yourself, who don't give a real damn about others.

 

NSC LOS ANGELES

2:20 PM ET

October 7, 2010

By the way...

You're not the only minority on the board, nor are you the only person who has experience poverty. Want to compare notes sweetie?

 

EVILOVERLORD

12:22 PM ET

September 29, 2010

Flexible geography

In picture 14, "French embassy to Slovenia on Sept. 11, in Bratislava.", it's hard to see why the French would have placed their Slovenian embassy so far from Ljubljana. It seems a bit awkward for Slovenian visitors.

(It also looks surprisingly similar to the French Embassy to Slovakia, also in Bratislava. But maybe they're in the same building.)

 

PASSPORT ADMINISTRATOR

7:26 PM ET

September 29, 2010

Corrected

Thanks for pointing out the error. We have corrected it. FP regrets the error.

 

VALKYRIE

12:17 PM ET

September 30, 2010

As someone who has never lived in Europe

I can't claim to understand the situation completely.

But, expulsions were not the most humane way to deal with the issue (that's putting it mildly.)

What happened to the Human Rights that countries like France never tire to lecture the rest of the world about?

 

MAHAL

9:14 AM ET

October 7, 2010

Hypocrisie française

An offence of "abusive occupation of land." Will Napoleon still be a French hero if that is made law?