Addicted to Drones

Is the allure of war by remote control the root cause of America's dangerously unbalanced foreign policy?

BY MICAH ZENKO | OCTOBER 1, 2010

As Washington Post columnist David Ignatius noted with alarm on Sept. 29: "The U.S. military has been working hard to provide flood assistance, but most of that is invisible to Pakistanis. They read about American drone attacks but not about helicopters bringing food supplies."

On the bright side, there is a growing recognition in U.S. policymaking circles that limited force alone is not the answer. In April 2009, while heading U.S. Central Command, Gen. David Petraeus worked with the U.S. intelligence community and the U.S. Embassy in Sanaa, Yemen to produce the first comprehensive military strategy for that country. In December 2009, Gates and Secretary of State Hillary Clinton signed the Afghanistan and Pakistan Regional Stabilization Strategy that details the key initiatives, resource requirements, and milestones for all relevant U.S. government agencies. Confronting threats from Pakistan, Yemen, and other troubled states requires exactly this sort of comprehensive, coordinated, and prioritized strategy that integrates all available elements of national power to provide security and opportunity to affected populations, while countering the rise of violent extremism.

President Bill Clinton was correct: The military is an impressive foreign-policy tool. But senior officials must appreciate that limited force is simply a tactic, and not a substitute for a strategy.

MASSOUD HOSSAINI/AFP/Getty Images

 

Micah Zenko is a fellow at the Council on Foreign Relations' Center for Preventive Action. He recently published Between Threats and War: U.S. Discrete Military Operations in the Post-Cold War World.

THEFACTS

4:24 PM ET

October 1, 2010

War Crime by Remote Control

Are the masters of "drone porn" committing war crimes by remote control? It's a bit shocking that more people aren't asking this question. I have a feeling that many of us, particularly liberal Obama supporters like myself, haven't wanted to look too closely at what is being done in our name, when these remote-controlled and often tragically inaccurate weapons of small-group slaughter incinerate innocents from the sky, in what are essentially video-game massacres in which real people die.

 

LAVBO0321

8:37 PM ET

October 1, 2010

Compared to What

Would you prefer we invade Pakistan?

Or are you one of 'those' people who think we just pack up and go home and 'hope' they change their ways.

It is people of your thinking that has brought us to this desperate place. Had Clinton had the balls to do what was right in the mid 1990's, we would not be there today.

And if you think the UAV's just roam around the ski's firing at what ever looks suspecious, you are dead wrong.

People on the ground are risking their lives, and their families lives finding our targets.

The amount of work that goes into one strike would boggle your little mind. Hundred's of man hours go into deciding when and where to strike. And the biggest concern is ALWAYS collateral damage.

So sleep soundly tonight THEFACTS, better people then you are on duty.

 

CEOUNICOM

2:10 PM ET

October 2, 2010

"it's a secret" = argumentum ad ignoratiam

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FWIW, we 'know' more than most people bother to read. Meaning, the argument you propose makes sense mostly for people who willfully choose NOT to learn more about things. Its the most popular form of fallacy for the intellectually lazy.

 

S P DUDLEY

4:56 PM ET

October 2, 2010

With friends like these...

Rather than have the US invade Pakistan, I'd prefer that the Indians do the job. They certainly have the numbers and motivation, and we can help them with the means.

Pakistan constantly plays up its "victim" status, complaining about drone strikes while harboring the Taliban within their borders. They should realize that if they keep obstructing, their current friend in the White House will be replaced with one that does not wear their sympathy for the Islamic world on their sleeve. We very much have the capability to raise the heat far more substantially than occasional drone strikes, and the next US president will have substantial popular support in doing so.

Pakistan has been playing the "US card" with feigned support in return for financial aid from the US for over fifty years. But just like Turkey, they're not there when we really need them. Time to pull the plug and develop a realistic regional strategy that supports true friends in the region while focusing on destroying threats, not just managing them.

 

YOURSTRULY

1:33 PM ET

October 3, 2010

Pakistan's 'Wild West' needs to be carpet bombed....

Pakistanis are a bunch of thankless beggars.
I don't need to get into details of how many Billions and Billions
of dollars they have received from the IMF and the USA and other
western nations. Hard earned tax dollars of Christian populace of these
generous nations.
And yet Pakistanis miss no chance of burning the US flag and touting their
Islam. And they themselves have turned their Islam into the laughing stock of
the world.
And then they have the galls to tell the world that their government has no
writ in their frontier. Their lawless north. And this lawless region of Pakistan, together
with the lawless Afghanistan became a haven for terrorists from all over the world,
esp. from Saudi Arabia and Uzbekistan and other terror infested areas.

So what do you want to happen?
What would you do if your neighbor's home has a nest of cockroaches invading your
home? And your neighbor saying that he has no control over that part of his house.
You have no choice. Other than to go in and burn that nest of cockroaches for him.
Otherwise you'll be overrun by his cockroaches.

That's what needs to happen here. The US Army knows which cities in Pakistan are
the havens for these cockroaches. Instead of pussy footing with drones, the US should
give the populace of these terror havens in Pakistan seven days to get out, then carpet bomb these cities.
90% of Pakistanis are against the US anyways, even after being kept alive on US handouts, so the US has nothing to lose. When supporters of terrorism will spend one winter in refugee camps they’ll come to their senses about supporting terror.

The only gainer will be the rest of the world. It will give the world a respite from
Pakistani terrorism, perhaps for a decade. Then these terror havens can be obliterated
again.
And Pakistanis are so ready anyways, to die for Allah, for their Sharia.
So why don't we give them a major opportunity to get their martyrdom?
They'll also get to know and experience what real war is....

 

_YOURSTRULY_

6:41 PM ET

October 3, 2010

Confused thinking...Not your fault..Its the DNA you inherited...

So what's your point?
Israel is running a 30+ year old prison camp imprisoning the Palestinians,
with help from the the billions it gets from the US.
But
1. Neither the Israelis nor even the opressed Palestinians burn the US flag.
Inspite of the fact that the Palestinians know that the Ameicans are not on their side.
2. Neither of them are operating hundreds of madrassas training suicide bombers
to bomb hotels and train stations and cause mayhem in the West.
3. Neither of them are trying to export nuclear technology and equipment to North
Korea or Iran, so they can hold the world hostage with nuclear weapons.
4. Neither of them are holding the US hostage by attacking and helping attack US
supply convoys.

Guess who is receiving the Billions from the West and doing all of the above?
Will you be able to answer this question correctly? I doubt that.
Its quite evident that if you saw an apple next to an orange you won't be able to tell
the difference.
Not your own fault though...

 

MIKEHAAS

12:29 PM ET

October 7, 2010

war crimes

For more documentation of the war crimes, see two books--George W. Bush, War Criminal? (2009) and America's War Crimes Quagmire, From Bush to Obama (2010)--both described on www.USwarcrimes.com

 

OZGURDUNYAM

1:12 PM ET

October 2, 2010

Thank you

Thank you for the information your provide.Are the masters of "drone porn" committing war crimes by remote control? It's a bit shocking that more people aren't asking this question. I have a feeling that many of us, particularly liberal Obama supporters like myself, haven't wanted to look too closely at what is being done in our name, when these remote-controlled and often tragically inaccurate weapons of small-group slaughter incinerate innocents from the sky, in what are essentially video-game massacres in which real people die.

 

MARTY MARTEL

1:55 PM ET

October 2, 2010

US addicted to Pakistan

US addiction to Pakistan is worse than US addiction to drones.

US was forced to resort to the drone attacks because of its addiction to Pakistan where the roots of Afghan war safely reside.

Sooner or later US has to realize that its Afghan troubles are directly tied to Pakistan’s support and shelter of Afghan Taliban networks safely ensconced in Quetta and North Waziristan.

Sooner or later US has to question Pakistan’s bonafides about wanting to fight the scurge of terrorism haunting US Afghan mission.

Sooner or later US has to stop ignoring Afghan Taliban’s Pakistani connections in fueling and sustaining Afghan insurgency as reported by Matt Waldman in ‘The sun in the sky‘ on 6/13/2010, corroborated by WikiLeaks leaks on 7/25/2010 and then further corroborated by Chris Alexander, Canadian ambassador to Afghanistan from 2003 to 2005 and Deputy Special Representative of the UN Secretary-General for Afghanistan from 2005 until 2009 in his article on 7/30/2010 titled ‘The huge scale of Pakistan‘s complicity‘.

It is NO use keep giving billions of dollars to an ally who wants to keep playing the duplicitous game of running with the hares while hunting with the hounds.

Only way US can eradicate this terrorist threat emanating from Pakistan is to invade and occupy Pakistan for a sustained period of time (atleast five years) to wipe out the terrorist threat to US and the world, safely ensconced not just in tribal areas but in the entire state of Pakistan

And after ten long years of war in Afghanistan, with the American people tired of it, US has neither the desire nor the resources to do so.

With an ally like Pakistan, US Afghan mission was doomed to fail right from the beginning.

 

NICHOLAS WIBBERLEY

10:26 PM ET

October 2, 2010

If you must fight, stand up and do it like a man.

The border between Afghanistan and Pakistan means nothing to the rural people who live in the area.

Any Taliban killed will be replaced; even a senior Taliban is not a rocket scientist.

Drones are the technological successors of the V-1 ‘doodlebug’ launched by the Germans on London from 1944, and they bring fear that turns to hatred and defiance. I remember them. Nasty, dirty things. They do, however, foster solidarity.

 

HSAQIB17

6:49 AM ET

October 3, 2010

Killing for a cause or in sheer frustration?

American public seems to be largely unaware of the easy-going attitude of American establishment which causes death and destruction elsewhere. But those who know are ruthless critics….but will the establishment of the US care unless the people of Pakistan practically demonstrate how much they dislike foreign elements threatening their security, and these foreign element include not only Arab, Uzbek and African fighters, these also include Americans of the Black-water variety and those sitting in Washington DC ordering drone attacks. Read more at: http://fmeducation.blogspot.com/2010/10/killing-for-cause-or-in-sheer.html

 

CASSANDRAAA

9:51 AM ET

October 3, 2010

This reminds me of the

This reminds me of the free-fire zones in Vietnam, where anyone killed was by definition a member of the Vietcong.

In the case of drone strikes in Pakistan (and elsewhere) there is zero accountability. Zero. We don't know how the targets are selected, we don't know who is carrying them out (except allusions to the CIA), and when we read news reports that 10 or 16 militants were killed, nobody really knows who was killed.

We have become the terrorists ourselves. If there is any doubt, engage in some reverse-think and try to imagine if the Chinese were using torture, assassination, and drone strikes in the US, in the quest to get Uighar terrorists, how we would react. As imperialists we don't even begin to think that way.

 

MIKEHAAS

12:26 PM ET

October 7, 2010

inevitable retaliation for drones & missiles

National security is threatened by drones and Cruise missiles, which have killed innocent civilians, because Muslims are retaliating. The Christmas bomber flew to Detroit from Yemen two weeks after a Cruise missile attack killed innocent civilians. The Times Square bomber specifically said that he was acting in retaliation for attacks by drones on innocent civilians in his native Pakistan. Yet the American media refuses to inform the public of the risks. How did I find out? Read the British media online!

 

VIR NARAIN

10:54 PM ET

October 7, 2010

Wrongly targeting drones

The article heading is misleading. The point that is really being made is about the use of military ( offensive air power) in certain situations. Drones happen to be the most sensible and cost-effective means of doing this - encouraging their use in insurgency situations. It is a trite observation that military power alone cannot solve the problems of insurgency.
There is no doubt that the UAV is the best means of employing air power in irregular warfare. The addiction, if any, is on the side of the prohibitively expensive - in money and lives - manned fighter.

 

VIR NARAIN

11:01 PM ET

October 7, 2010

Drones wrongly targeted

The title of the article is misleading. The point being made is really regarding the use of military means (offensive air power) in insurgency situations. And it is trite to say that military force alone will not solve insurgency problems.
The drone is by far the most cost-effective solution - in terms of money and lives - in irregular warfare. The addiction, if any, is on the side of the prohibitively expensive manned fighter.

 

DUNCHILD1976

6:31 AM ET

October 23, 2010

ask hollywood

big explosians are more likely to draw attention the handing out sandwiches.
the pakistanis are not much different then americans.