The Sources of Soviet Iranian Conduct

How George Kennan is still the best guide to today's villain inside a victim behind a veil.

BY KARIM SADJADPOUR | NOVEMBER 2010

For three decades, the Islamic Republic of Iran has bedeviled the United States, resisting both incentives and disincentives and working all the while to foil American designs in the Middle East. If 20th-century Russia was to Winston Churchill a riddle wrapped in a mystery inside an enigma, for observers of contemporary Iran, the Islamic Republic often resembles a villain inside a victim behind a veil.

Seeking to understand their mysterious foe, American analysts most commonly invoke three historical analogies to explain its character and future trajectory: Red China, Nazi Germany, and the Soviet Union. The chosen metaphor pretty much dictates the proposed response, and most prescriptions for U.S. policy have come down to one of these variations: attempt to coax the Iranian regime into modernity; forget the diplomatic niceties and "pre-emptively" attack it to prevent or delay its acquisition of nuclear weapons; or contain it in hopes it will change or collapse under the weight of its internal contradictions.

After a momentous decade of watching Iran from both Tehran and Washington, interviewing hundreds of Iranians from across the political spectrum, and closely following the writings and statements of top Iranian officials, my advice for Barack Obama's administration as it came to office last year was to dispense with the historical metaphors and instead try to probe, via engagement, a seemingly facile but fundamental question: Why does Iran behave the way it does? Is Iranian foreign policy rooted in an immutable ideological opposition to the United States, or is Iran just reacting to punitive U.S. policies? To paraphrase Henry Kissinger, is Iran a nation or a cause?

I had always thought that the Islamic Republic was sui generis -- a political system unprecedented in modern times. But in the ensuing months, Iran's cynical response to Obama, followed by the massive post-election crackdowns, show trials, and forced confessions, made me think that historical analogies might shed some light on Iran after all. But which metaphor, if any, fits?

For proponents of the China comparison -- often foreign-policy realists -- the Iranian regime is fundamentally pragmatic, not ideological, and yearns for a rapprochement with the United States. Viewed through this relatively benign prism, Tehran's support for militant groups like Hezbollah and Hamas, its alliances with radical leaders like Venezuela's Hugo Chávez, Iraq's Moqtada al-Sadr, and Syria's Bashar al-Assad, its Holocaust denial, and its weekly jeers of "death to America" are seen as defensive reactions to a hostile United States. The analogy implies that a bold U.S. gesture, à la President Richard Nixon's famous 1972 trip to Beijing, could bring about a "grand bargain" with Tehran.

Many have noted that the propitious geopolitical circumstances fueling Nixon's rapprochement with Chinese leader Mao Zedong -- mutual concern about the looming Soviet threat -- do not exist when it comes to today's Iran. While Mao didn't exactly go around waving the Star-Spangled Banner, the China analogy also vastly underestimates the extent to which anti-Americanism is central to the identity of the Islamic Republic's current leadership, particularly Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei.

Khamenei's contempt for the United States, documented in three decades' worth of writings and speeches, has been remarkably consistent. Whether the topic is foreign policy, agriculture, or education, he seamlessly relates the subject to the cruelty, greed, and sinister plots of what he calls American "global arrogance." Former senior Iranian officials, including even a former president, have told me that in private discussions Khamenei has declared, "Ma doshmani ba Amrika ra lazem dareem," i.e., "We need enmity with the United States." A month before the tainted presidential election of June 2009, Khamenei declared that Iran would face a national "disaster" if a candidate who attempted to thaw relations with America came to power.

While the "grand bargain" option garnered special attention during the George W. Bush years, when Washington shunned dialogue with Tehran, Obama's unprecedented and unreciprocated overtures to Tehran -- including two personal letters from the U.S. president to Khamenei -- undercut the narrative that Iran's hard-liners, despite their own rhetoric, secretly aspire to cordial relations with the United States.

They don't. Indeed, underneath the ideological veneer, the anti-Americanism of Iran's hard-liners is driven in no small part by self-preservation. They are acutely aware of the argument made by many Iran analysts over the years that a rapprochement with the United States could spur unpredictable reforms that would significantly dilute their hold on power. Ayatollah Ahmad Jannati, head of the powerful Guardian Council, put it plainly in a 2009 interview with Etemad newspaper: "If pro-American tendencies come to power in Iran, we have to say goodbye to everything. After all, anti-Americanism is among the main features of our Islamic state."

But if Iran is no 1970s China, ripe for an accommodation, the opposite view -- that Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad is a latter-day Adolf Hitler and Iran is Nazi Germany -- is no closer to the mark. For the likes of Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, who bluntly told a Los Angeles audience in 2006 that "It's 1938, and Iran is Germany," the Islamic Republic is incorrigibly fundamentalist, messianic, and hence, undeterrable. Continued engagement, then, is tantamount to appeasement, and the use of military force might well be inevitable. Former British Prime Minister Tony Blair recently added his name to the small but strident list of people who have endorsed this surprisingly persistent line of thinking.

Yet though the Iranian regime is homicidal toward its own population and espouses a hateful ideology, there is little evidence to suggest it is also expansionist and genocidal. Even the U.S. Defense Department describes Iran's military power -- underwritten by a budget less that 2 percent the size of America's -- as largely deterrent in nature. What's more, despite Ahmadinejad's repugnant rhetoric and delusions of grandeur, his control over the Iranian state is not comparable to the absolute power Hitler wielded in Germany.

So, should we dispense with the historical analogies altogether? Not quite. In fact, few contemporary analyses capture the nature of today's Islamic Republic better than a masterpiece I first read in college: diplomat George F. Kennan's incisive and unapologetic 1947 essay on the Soviet Union, "The Sources of Soviet Conduct." Kennan's article, published in Foreign Affairs under the pseudonym "X" because the author was a serving U.S. official, set the tenor of U.S. policy toward the Soviet Union until it finally collapsed in 1991 under the weight of its economic mismanagement and moral exhaustion.

Like all such comparisons, the analogy is far from perfect. The Soviet Union was an irreligious empire with nuclear weapons and global reach, while the Islamic Republic is an aspiring nuclear power whose influence outside the Middle East is limited. But like the Soviet Union, the Islamic Republic is a corrupt, inefficient, authoritarian regime whose bankrupt ideology resonates far more abroad than it does at home. Also like the men who once ruled Moscow, Iran's current leaders have a victimization complex and, as they themselves admit, derive their internal legitimacy from thumbing their noses at Uncle Sam.

BEHROUZ MEHRI/AFP/Getty Images

 

Karim Sadjadpour is an associate in the Middle East program at the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace.

BEHNAM M

2:28 AM ET

October 12, 2010

Same old bs

For 30 years US policy makers keep listening to the same old bs from Iranian exiles with the same result. Go ahead keep on doing it geniuses.

Most of the things claimed in the article to be descriptions and analyses of Iran, bear no similarity to the reality in Iran.

 

BIBIJON

9:15 AM ET

October 13, 2010

no shortage of analogies, but there's only one Iran

Is Iran like the U.S. as Khatami would have you believe Alexis Tocqueville was evaluating Iran.

Is Iran a South Africa when she was inviting the U.S. to bury the hatchet with the famous 2003 missive through the Swiss embassador?

Is Iran an India trying to emerge from the yoke of colonialism, trusting no one to carve out an independent path?

I'm of the mind that Sadjadpour is telling us what he wishes to be the outcome for Iran. Like a broken clock he has a 1 in 6 chance of being right, but he has been so profoundly wrong with all his past predictions which ought to accord him no more kudos than that accorded to a broken clock.

Sadjadpour wishes that Iran ruts from inside; That her ideals are stymied by internal ineptitude/corruption, and external hostility; that her every endeavor will fail particularly in terms of adapting to Iranian's aspirations. Etc.

It is not clear in what context Khamenei said 'our emnity with U.S. is necessary'. However, considering the U.S. veto of condemning Saddam's use of chemical weapons predates the existance of HAMAS and Hezbolah, or the help rendered in Afghanistan was answered within weeks by the 'axis of evil', or operation Ajax which predates Khomeini, surely you got the emnity whether or not you think it is necessary. For all I know Khamenei was saying 'it is necessary to deal with the elephant in the room.'

If you dismiss his rejection of bombing Iran as a product of his Iranian roots, then really his only function is to put lipstick on neocon thinking, and provide misleading out of context translations.

 

SHARY

8:58 AM ET

October 12, 2010

Brilliant, but....

With brilliant use of George Kennan’s incisive observations about the Soviet Union, Karim Sadjadpour keeps his reader on the edge of the chair as he moves from one revealing parallel to the next, explaining the Islamic Republic and recommending policy on Iran.

There are only two of his observations that are hard to digest, however:

During its first year, the Obama administration’s Iran policy did not seem to follow any of Karim’s three “variations” of “most prescriptions for U.S. policy”. It was neither to “to coax the Iranian regime into modernity”, nor in the expectation that the regime “will change or collapse”; and certainly not with the intent to “pre-emptively attack” Iran. It was simply based on the expectation that respect begets respect, and expanded cooperation in areas of mutual interest – however limited – would lead to decreased hostility and increase openness, which is the requirement of verifying Iran’s claim of peaceful intentions in her nuclear program.

Second, Karim says he finds little evidence that the Islamic Republic is expansionist, and quotes sources that deem her military power as “deterrent in nature”.

Let us dismiss Khomeini’s machinations for an uprising in Iraq and bombing the US compound in Lebanon as – well -- too long ago. Let us dismiss Iran’s vast and complex involvement with armed resistance in Iraq and Afghanistan today as purely deterrent. It is more difficult to explain her support for rebels in Bahrain and Yemen, right next door to Saudi Arabia, as deterrent in nature. It is well-nigh impossible to see raising the number of Hizbullah’s offensive missiles against Israel from around 10,000 to 40,000 even after deterrence, if that was ever the intention, was already a proven failure in 2006. The same must be said for support to Islamic Jihad and Hamas, after the 2008 failure of deterrence in Gaza.

Why do we refuse to accept the Constitution of the Islamic Republic as its clearest self-definition, and marching order to the faithful? It holds the Revolutionary Guards responsible for spreading the rule of Islam (read their form of government) throughout the world. Is there a clearer exhortation to expansionism? To put resources and action behind its Constitution, the Islamic Republic has built a massive infrastructure for organizing, financing, training and arming forces from North Africa to the subcontinent.

Of course the Islamic Republic cannot be labeled as irredentist, revanchist or re-unificationist. Unlike Hitler, Khamenei is not looking for lebensraum for Persians. All of those labels relate to pan-nationalist sentiments to which the Islamic Republic is indifferent, if not hostile. But to say there is little evidence the Islamic Republic is expansionist is hard to understand.

Karim is right that the Islamic Republic’s anti-Americanism is out of self-preservation. But so is its expansionism. Indeed the less popular it becomes at home, the more the need to justify its existence as the wave of the future beyond its borders. Revolutionary Guardsmen who see hatred in the eyes of their countrymen inside Iran need the morale boost of walking ten feet tall in the souks of Damascus, Southern Lebanon or Sadr City.

The question of expansionism is critical because it determines whether the Islamic Republic can be contained. If she is not expansionists and her military is purely deterrent in nature, then one does not need a grand bargain, a rapprochement, expanded trade, or any of the China parallels. Obama’s first year strategy would be satisfied through a small bargain: live, let live and swallow a rhetorical anti-Americanism which we have heard for fifty year, ninety miles from these shores.

If, on the other hand, the Islamic Republic’s vital interest is dominating the world of Islam and spreading its kind of rule throughout the world, as she says it is, then one must expect a relentless push through the Shiite pincer around the Persian Gulf and the world’s energy jugular, as well as increasing risk of war on Israel’s borders. Mr. X’s kind of containment will not stop the 21st century type of movement of ideas and materiel, leading to a standing and increasing threat inconsistent with the vital interests of the United States. Time is short before that which is intolerable will become irremovable under a nuclear umbrella.

Excellent arguments against a military strike on Iran are legion. That is the reason for stepping on the accelerator implementing Kennan’s tenth commandment: Expedite political change within Iran.

Shahriar Ahy

 

LOGICAL123

11:55 PM ET

October 12, 2010

You are making false claims about Iran

You claim that during the first year, Obama administration’s Iran policy was "simply based on the expectation that respect begets respect." Nothing could be further from the truth. Obama made some wonderful speeches, but his deeds did not match his words. There was only a single one-day meeting in Geneva with an Iranian representative. Afterwards, all contacts were rejected by the US. In particular, Obama wrote to President Lula of Brazil outlining the agreement that he demanded from Iran. When Iran agreed exactly with what Obama had demanded in terms of the Tehran Declaration, Obama rejected it out of hand and Hillary Clinton proceeded to obtain the fourth set of sanctions against Iran. Even now, Iran is offering to negotiate, but the US is dragging its feet.

As far as expansionism is concerned, there is little evidence of what you claim. The rebels in Yemen were not sponsored by Iran. There were many tribal disputes. On the other hand, how about the Saudi Arabian bombing of the Shia rebels in Yemen. Why don't you complain about Saudi expansionism? As for Bahrain, there are always arguments about Bahrain, but there is little evidence that Iran is fomenting a rebellion there. On the other hand, one cannot deny Sunni-Shia tensions in Bahrain.

As for Hezbollah, what is wrong with Iran supplying it with 40,000 rockets (I have heard it is actually 60,000), when Israel received more than $3B worth of weapons from the us gratis every year? Why is it that Israel can be armed to the teeth but countries whose sovereignty it violates constantly cannot arm themselves?

 

PUBLICUS

11:58 AM ET

November 5, 2010

On the other hand LOGICAL123

On the other hand you also have five fingers, sticky ones.

Source your information and do it in specific detail concerning your vacuous assertion that Iran accepted all conditions demanded by the United States, but that the the United States rejected the acquiescences out of hand. Since when, ever, have the ayatollahs accepted each and every point put to them by the EU or the USA? Or even one or two substantive and significant points. Whom do you think you are kidding in making such a spurious claim? The ayatollahs agreed to everything?!?

Tell us another one. Then again, don't.

 

LOGICAL123

10:06 AM ET

November 6, 2010

Read the text of the Tehran Declaration PUBLICUS

To PUBLICUS: Do you know how to use Google? Here is the link to the actual declaration in case you don't know how to use Google:

http://files.inpim.org/Seminars/10thSem/TEHRAN%20DECLARATION.pdf

Also, here is the text of the earlier Obama letter to Lula of Brazil.

http://www.campaigniran.org/casmii/index.php?q=node/10195

So, what is it specifically that you still do not understand?

 

RON THOMPSON

9:03 AM ET

October 12, 2010

Ron Thompson

Strong article in two of its three conclusions.
I agree that it is dangerously naive to see any comparison between Iran and the China of realpolitik thinking that Nixon and Kissinger dealt with. Obama and his administration should drop any expectation of accommodation for the foreseeable future.
I also agree that Kennan's analysis of the Soviet Union in 1947 is a strong parallel to use regarding Iran's view of the United States, and its leaders' relationship with its own population. But there's a caveat because Iran is so small compared to the Soviet Union. So there is a delusional element in thinking it is playing a role like that of Soviet Russia in its standoff with the United States.
But I think Iran's leadership, especially Khameni and Ahmadinejad, is Hitlerian and apocalyptic in its hatred of Israel.
Therefore Iran should be viewed partly through the lens of both the second and third hypotheses suggested by Mr Sadjadpour.
The common element between the two is its delusions of grandeur about its own place in the world, and its delusionary, irrational hatred toward
Israel and the Jewish people.
Therefore, a tough diplomacy coupled with the awareness that the use of force may well be necessary seems the best and most necessary attitude toward Iran. Ron Thompson

 

DIZIKHOR

9:09 AM ET

October 12, 2010

A very creative piece

I thought this was a fascinating piece....sober and unapologetic.

 

HASS

11:51 AM ET

October 12, 2010

Exiles don't want US-Iran engagement

How can the author claim that Iran is implacably opposed to the US when the US has consistently refused to actually engage Iran, despite the fact that Iran helped the US in Afghanistan? A better question is Why does THE US behave the way it does, constantly threatening Iran and never actually trying to engage it? (Answer: Israeli lobby.)

There are too many exile Iranian writers who are opposed to Iran-US engagement, making common cause with the Israelis who are also opposed to that, for their own reasons. Ironically, the article conceeds that the hardliners in Iran are also opposed to engagement. So why continue the same policies to suit these people and not actually try engagement?

 

MARYK

4:19 PM ET

October 12, 2010

C'mon Hass

Are you going to blame the Israel lobby for AN blaming America for Sept 11th? (Out of curiosity do you yourself believe that America itself sent the planes into the twin towers?) You didn't address any of the points raised in the article, you simply relied on your usual, 'the jews did it'.

 

LOGICAL123

8:44 PM ET

October 12, 2010

The real question is indeed why is the US behaving the way it is

To MARYK: Hass is indeed correct. We know essentially why Iran behaves the way it does: It is just reacting to the hostile approach of the US, ignoring its idiotic internal religious orientation. The real question is why is the US behaving in such an erratic and dishonest way. US officials (including Obama and particularly Hillary Clinton) continually lie about the nuclear program of Iran when everybody knows by now that there is zero evidence that Iran is building nuclear bombs. Also, the carrot-and-stick approach is simply ridiculous. Do you think Iran is a donkey? Of course, what the author does not say is that the real US goal is to try to destroy the Iranian economy and to marginalize it in order to keep its hegemony in the Middle East. As Noam Chomsky has said, "The US is hostile towards Iran because it does not follow its orders."

You digress when you bring up 9/11. Who said anything here about 9/11? Also, not every criticism of Israel constitutes antisemitism. On the other hand, do you deny that AIPAC essentially own Congress lock, stock and barrel?

 

KASEMAN

10:01 AM ET

October 14, 2010

lies, damn lies and polls

Unless the world's best polling firms are rigged like the way the credit raters rigged the Wall Street insecurities, 50% of the Republicans believe that our president is a Muslim/not Christian/not born in the US. Despite all the evidence to the contrary and the efforts of Fox News and Rupert the Aussie to cook the evidence.
Add those too embarrassed to admit similar views, and one third of white Americans are wallowing in this sea of ignorance and bigotry. And the numbers are growing. A ratio many times higher than shrinking number of Iranians believing in the Khomeinie crap.

Americans also believe that the Israelis are 100% right and the Arabs 100% wrong on matters Palestine.

So why be surprised at most of the world believing that 9/11 was cooked up by the CIA and Mossad to invade the Muslim world. Too bad the Pentagon is being licked but let's keep that quiet. Celebrate the triumph of the 500,000 land grabbing Russian Jews getting their Macmansions in Palestine.

Things are getting worse for as the country is moving right and producing idiots like the Reds in Delaware voting for a witch to be their Senator. More to follow. The problem is here, in the US, and the insidious role of neocons, especially the AIPAC franchise.

 

HUMANIST_2

4:42 PM ET

October 12, 2010

Yes IRI is corrupt.....Ahmadinejad at times talks nonsense...but

Recently Charlie Rose to discredit Ahmadinejad and to negate the effects of his assertions on US/West/Israel selected four Iranian-American ‘scholars’ to appear on his show. Sajjadpour was one of them. (Larry King used Farid Zakaria for the same job).

In my view those four individuals are in the camp of admirers of the West (and/or Israel). They are unlike the respected Iranian-Americans such as Afrasiabi, Hosseinzadeh or Fayazmanesh who are dedicated to tell the truth regardless of the possibility of any personal loss.

This article of Sajjadpour is like an Op-Ed written by someone who (subconsciously or otherwise) knows he should not offend those who are pulling the political strings. It is a mix of proven facts, truths, reasonable assumptions, half-truths, simplistic evaluations, lies.....and a wrong conclusion.

I just refer to one of Sajjadpour’s foxy assertions.

He brands the Iranian 2009 presidential election as ‘Tainted’. (refer to Webster to find out how loaded this adjective is). During the election period he was in the neocon camp spreading unsubstantiated accusations against IRI not only for ‘widespread fraud’ but also for its brutality towards the protestors.

Now we know:

1- IRI authorities knew Ahmadinejad is going to win with a very wide margin.
2- As Hooman Majd in Fora TV video (minute 46) shows it is very difficult to carry out a grossly fraudulent election in Iran.
3- Eric A. Brill’s 38 page investigative report convincingly concludes “There is not a single credible evidence of fraud in that presidential election”. ( http://iran2009presidentialelection.blogspot.com/ )
4- TFT, WPO (University of Maryland), GlobeScan and other reputable statistics confirm Brill’s key assertions.

Yet Sajjadpour in effect repeats the same neocon lie of “fraudulent (tainted)” which was spread so skillfully making almost everyone in the world believe it.

Doesn’t he know that lie was used to demonize, de-legitimize, de-stabilize IRI with probable objective of paving the road for a heinous war? (and possibly for other sinister goals)

If he is really against the war why (instead of zig-zagging) he doesn’t directly attack the real culprits (who pull the strings) similar to what Hosseinzadeh or Afrasiabi are doing and why he doesn’t understand that ‘China route’ is not perfect and it can never work the way it did with China, but among other terrible options is the only one which is worth advocating.

Admittedly its chance of realization is very low but it has the advantage of:

1- It is rational, optimal and is truly beneficial to both sides.
2- In the process of arguing its advantages it can very effectively expose the maniacal elements who are dangerous not to their enemies but more so to themselves.

 

MARYK

5:58 PM ET

October 12, 2010

It's good to know that Humanist_2 is actually an alias...

For Kaveh Afrasiabi.....just for future reference

 

LOGICAL123

8:59 PM ET

October 12, 2010

Further evidence that Ahmadinejad indeed won the elections

FLYNT LEVERETT & HILLARY MANN LEVERETT presented very thorough arguments last year for the fact that Ahmadinejad indeed won the Iranian presidential elections in an article entitled, "Ahmadinejad won. Get over it." Here is the URL:

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0609/23745.html

So, Mr. Sajjadpour’s assertion that Ahmadinejad's election was "tainted," indeed is not credible.

 

JRACFORR

10:39 PM ET

October 12, 2010

NORMAN FRENCH STRUGGLE REPEATED IN PALESTINE

Geographically Iran maybe compared to the Warsaw Pact minus Russia. So this comparison with Russia is not quite accurate. The path Iran will most likely take is seen in the struggle of Continental Europe drive to remove the
Normans / Americans from coastal France / Palestine.

 

DAVE1995

11:49 PM ET

October 13, 2010

Sadjadipour's interesting reading of Iran and US-Iran relation!

Sadjadipour offers interesting readings of Iran and US-Iran relation. Let us examine Karim's readings:

" After a momentous decade of watching Iran from both Tehran and Washington, interviewing hundreds of Iranians from across the political spectrum, and closely following the writings and statements of top Iranian officials", Karim had concluded that "that the Islamic Republic was sui generis -- a political system unprecedented in modern times". Based on such a decade-long study of the Islamic Republic, Karim's "advice for Barack Obama's administration as it came to office last year was....to try to probe, via engagement, a seemingly facile but fundamental question: Why does Iran behave the way it does? Is ....." Apparently, the Obama administration followed Karim's advice. "But in the ensuing months, Iran's cynical response to Obama, followed by the massive post-election crackdowns, show trials, and forced confessions" caused Karim to revise his views on the Islamic Republic. Unfortunately, Karim does not tell us what should have happened for him to stick with the views that had taken him a decade to form and formulate. For instance, if "Iran's cynical response to Obama" had not been followed by "the massive post-election crackdowns, ..." would Karim still regard the Islamic Republic as "sui generis"? Or if Iran's response to Obama had not been "cynical", would the "...massive post-election crackdowns ...." by themselves sufficed for a revision of Mr. Sadjadipour's views and Obama's policy toward Iran?

Be as it may, events took the course that they did, and caused Mr. Sadjidipour to "think that historical analogies might shed some light on Iran after all". Mr. Sadjadipour has given a lot of thoughts to the question ".. which [historical] metaphor, if any, fits...[iran}?" over the past ten months.

Given that Mr. Sadjadipour came up with his original views on Islamic Republic after "...a momentous decade of watching Iran from both Tehran and Washington...", you should not entertain any doubt about the relevance of historical "metaphor" that he has come up with over the past ten month. This must be the case, if only because Mr. Sadjadipour draws on such giants of strategic thinking as Geroge Kennan, Henry Kessinger, a former president of the Islamic Republic, ...Ayatollah Janati.... (please cross out the last name).

All in all, the Supreme Leader should know that, going forward, the Obama administration has selected an appropriate historical metaphor and strategy for dealing with him and Iran. With the new US strategy, even the Hidden Emam will not be of much help to them.

 

NICOLAS19

3:23 AM ET

October 14, 2010

the article failes to live up to its title

I hoped for a constructive piece on Iran, something that's missing form FP amidst the smear campaign, but this isn't it. Apart from the usual accusations - questioning the Iranian regime, using the comfortable overused cold war parallel - it offers nothing. IF (and that's a big if) the US actually wants to work with Iran, it has to stop this kind of "act as we want you to" policy. Because right now, the framing of the regime only makes it stronger. Waiting for it to collapse seems to be ineffective as it shows no signs of collapse. Especially as the US seemed more likely to crumble in 2008-2009.

 

PROF.JOHNJMEOWSHEIMER- CAT POLITICAL SCIENTIST

11:53 AM ET

October 14, 2010

Kennan comparison

While an interesting comparison, my concern is that it's so broad you could apply it to any of a number of cases. One could have had Iran crossed out and replaced with North Korea. Let's not forget that we've tried this "wait it out" strategy with them, we've been convinced every decade or so that their regime will collapse in on itself. But even North Korea, with its corruption, incompetence, and widespread famine, has managed to stay in place for the past sixty-odd years.

First, what if we 'tempered our expectations"? With all the pressure brought to bear, it still took forty years of intense rivalry for the Soviet Union to finally collapse. And it only did so after numerous proxy wars, a prohibitively expensive space race, trade embargoes, and intense political strife. Some measures simply would not be available in this situation, since Iran is not nearly the same sort of world player the USSR was.

Second, treating Iran like the USSR would still be assuming a bipolar world. Treating Iran like this leaves no guarantee it could collapse. It isn't politically isolated, its economy is still functional, and it even has normal trade with US allies (Japan?). We need to have more collaborative action.

Third, this is just looking at it pragmatically, but the Obama administration needs short term policy victories. Any modern administration would. When Kennan wrote his piece, electoral politics weren't moving at the pace they are now. A short term policy victory now, would guarantee the ability to set longer term goals later.The situation demands that Obama win something here, or his foreign policy credentials will get trashed even further. So, they can't intentionally take a slower approach.

Any way you look at it, the comparison is fairly lazy and doesn't really offer much beyond how we should engage, by not engaging. It's not very helpful assuaging fears of Iran that are drummed up in the media, and it doesn't really deter Iran from pursuing its agenda. Hoping that it will collapse in on itself, like Russia, would probably create more trouble than it's probably worth.

 

DIZIKHOR

8:41 AM ET

October 15, 2010

Is this posting indeed from Dr. Mearsheimer at Chicago?

If so it is amazing how woefully inaccurate it is. You should stick to talking about things you know about.

 

PROF.JOHNJMEOWSHEIMER- CAT POLITICAL SCIENTIST

10:09 AM ET

October 15, 2010

Uh huh.

Right, because a professor of political science will set up a screen name that implies he's a cat.

 

MJKOCH

5:17 PM ET

October 14, 2010

Iranian leaders are taking the country to the ashbin of history

It's a sad commentary that thousands of people turned out in Lebanon to greet the dictator from Iran who threatened the annihilation of another country and who stole an election and tortures, rapes, and imprisons the opponents of his brutal regime. When people celebrate the arrival of a man who threatens another Holocaust it is a very sad day. The world will be a far safer and better place when Ahmadinejad, the mullahs, and their militia are permanently gone.

History has proved that nothing good has ever come from dictators and tyrants, and the Arafat's, Ahmadinejad's, Saddam Hussein's, Hitler's, Bin Ladin's, and Robert Mugabe's of this world have brought nothing to the world except hatred, death, and destruction. Praise them if you choose but like them you will wind up in the ashbin of history.

 

PUBLICUS

11:35 AM ET

November 5, 2010

True and at a great

This is true and is always accomplished at a great loss of life, limb and national treasure to the targets of the dictators and tyrants of history, modern history especially.

The historical record shows that dictators and/or tyrant rulers always fail because of their inherent inability to realistically connect the the actual world. Reactionary authoritarian tyrants always overestimate their own power, whether it be in their economy or military or both, and grossly underestimate or misjudge their targets. In the modern world, the targets of reactionary dictators always have been and continue to be democratic free societies which are predicated on the Western Liberal idea, and which have erected the institutions of Western societies that facilitate and promote the Western Liberal reality and the constant drive to further perfect the Liberal idea in both everyday life and in the long term.

The fascist dictators of Beijing are making this exact same mistake and miscalculation as are the nominally democratic leaders who are the enforcers of the Islamic state of Iran, among like or similar rulers in other traditional societies and countries. Reactionary dictatorships and authoritarian regimes characteristically indoctrinate their population, censor internally and externally sourced information, thus misleading their populations to support the regimes and their delusional certainties. We know from recent history (the 20th century especially) this is a mad formula for disaster.

The madness always must be stopped, has been stopped and will continue to be stopped but, as always, terminating these reactionary nd mad leaders will cost much blood and treasure to their targets.

 

JIGSAWNOVICH

12:49 PM ET

October 15, 2010

Revolutionary Guards were trained in Russia

The Revolutionary Guards received training in Russia regarding how to put down demonstrations, according to prominent activist Ahmed Batebi. http://www.iranian.com/main/blog/jigsawnovich/batebi-versus-dabashi
Farbod Khoshtinat compares Iran to totalitarian regimes in his award-winning short film http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=69Y0KovgY7Q

 

CARLTONJENKINS

2:43 AM ET

October 19, 2010

We're the good guys, of course.

The United States prefers to deal with dictators. The secret police, intelligence networks and torture chambers we fund and create for them "domesticates the aspirations of the people," as the Jesuits said in El Salvador. The Saudi royals know they can count on us so long as they invest in our stock market, purchase our weapons and maintain tight control over their domestic populations. We don't mind that Islam Karimov boils his opponents alive and delivers their bodies home to mama. So long as he plays ball.

Like every empire, we run a protection racket.

Another great advantage of having dictators as allies: they make convenient devils should they misinterpret or refuse to follow orders, as Hussein did. All we have to do is paint a little mustache on upper lips and rally the American rabble with the 24 Hour a Day Hate on FOX (interspersed with ads for Viagra and Vegematics). Of course, we take pains to avoid mention of our role as co-conspirators in their nasty crimes, or the little death lists we pass off to their intelligence agencies. One of those lists, in the case of Iraq, led to the murder of doctors, lawyers, students who happened to be to the left of Attila the Hun.

And now we miss the old fellow. He knew how to run a police state, and we've be searching for a suitable replacement ever since. In the meantime, Al Queda is succeeding beyond its wildest dreams -- bankrupting another Mickey Mouse empire.

 

CARLTONJENKINS

2:49 AM ET

October 19, 2010

We're the good guys, of course.

The United States prefers to deal with dictators. The secret police, intelligence networks and torture chambers we fund and create for them "domesticate the aspirations of the people," as the Jesuits said in El Salvador. The Saudi royals know they can count on us so long as they invest in our stock market, purchase our weapons and maintain tight control over their domestic populations. We don't mind that Islam Karimov boils his opponents alive and delivers their bodies home to mama. So long as he plays ball.

Like every empire, we run a protection racket.

Another great advantage of having dictators as allies: they make convenient devils should they misinterpret or refuse to follow orders, as Hussein did. All we have to do is paint a little mustache on upper lips and rally the American rabble with the 24 Hour a Day Hate on FOX (interspersed with ads for Viagra and Vegematics). Of course, we take pains to avoid mention of our role as conspirators in their nasty crimes, or the little death lists we pass off to their intelligence agencies. In the case of Iraq, one of those lists led to the murder of thousands of doctors, lawyers, students etc who happened to be to the left of Attila the Hun.

And now we miss the old fellow, our friend Saddam. He knew how to run a police state, and we've be searching for a suitable replacement ever since. In the meantime, Al Queda is succeeding beyond its wildest dreams -- bankrupting another Mickey Mouse empire.

 

PUBLICUS

11:10 AM ET

November 5, 2010

The Iran Model?

Some genius needs to state exactly and comprehensively that which Iran represents to the world.

Does Iran represent democracy to the world? Does it represent a tolerance of secularism? Or increasing acceptance of diverse lifestyles such as gay human life or, more broadly, human rights per se? What does any nature or character of disagreement, diversity, dissent get you in Iran? The UK has the Church of England which is protected by the monarch, but one doesn't have to be Anglican to be a subject/citizen of the UK.

Iran doesn't have McDonalds but it has women wearing burkas and veils.

Is Iran conducting serious research into preventions and remedies to cancer? List the leading edge technology Iran is inventing and developing. What model of an educative system and principles does Iran offer to the world? What remains, or ever existed of a free press/media in Iran?

Why does Iran say another sovereign country nearby will "disappear?" How does Iran benefit the world by being closely aligned with the fascist PRC? The oligarchy Russia, another PRC partner, is constructing the nuclear facilities in Iran - how does this pernicious connection benefit the world?

Iran has a thousands year old history of aggressive expansive warmongering which always overlaid its once sophisticated culture, society, civilization. There remain many sophisticated segments of Iran society, culture and civilization but their voices and faces continue to disappear whether under the rule of the shah or the ayatollas (same same basically).

Until Iran huggers can conceive of these and other questions that are like and similiar - such as the value and significance of Sharia law - then provide intelligible responses, such peoples and countries with a deep history rooted in conquest and notions of supremacy and grandeur consistently give we of the modern and future world much to ponder and to consider. When they have or are trying to have nuclear weapons.

The United States is the only country to have used nuclear (atomic) weapons and that was to end a long and grim World War in which 55 million military and civilians perished. Let's hope this case and instance continues to apply indefinitely.

 

NICHOLAS WIBBERLEY

11:11 PM ET

November 4, 2010

The article is a light confection

The US position today is totally different politically, economically, and in terms of world status to that enjoyed when Russia was the demon. Also there are many important players in the game who had not yet awakened during the cold war.

1. Iran is besieged but geographically, not ideologically. It is only US/Israel that has a problem with Iran. Saudi Arabia may be edgy but that is largely because it endures a US supported Shah-type regime; there is, however, plenty of scope for Riyadh/Teheran cooperation over Lebanon, Iraq and the Israeli nuclear problem, and the long-term potential for Muslim solidarity is real. After all, Serbia is already building bridges with Croatia so nothing is impossible.

2. The Iranian security apparatus is a self-defensive response to continuous threats from US/Israel.

3. Looming foreign enemies are a US/Israeli need not an Iranian one. Iran does not need enemies but the US is addicted to them and Israel fears it would become a feather in the wind without them.

4. The Iranian ideology is evolving and moving closer to the modern model in almost all respects; the judicial system is being revised and progress might well be swifter if some of the external distractions were not present.

5. Iran has made several offers of compromise: the latest fuel exchange offer, greeted with such insolent disdain by Hilary Clinton and Susan Rice, is still on the table, and anyway the whole business of the Iranian nuclear threat is a red herring since it is not actually what the stand-off is about.

6. US strategy in relation to Iran should recognise its singular demographic importance and search for a sound alliance.

7. It is less a question of ideological fatigue than a slow but steady move away from the ultra religious model. Iran, remember, has still to contend with its own fundamentalists and the influx of largely fundamentalist refugees from the disturbances the US and others create in neighbouring countries.

8. The succession of power will resolve itself and is best left to do so by itself. After all, the US political system of elected representatives is hardly without flaws. Elections, free or otherwise, do not democracy make.

9. The US has never tried to be anything but an enemy to the Iranian people. Iran is no threat to the US and never has been; Iran is simply the latest in a string of demonised nations.

10. The US is certainly capable of putting strains on Iran, and does so, but far from expediting political evolution they more than likely slow it down.

Iranians need only cast an eye across the borders to shudder at the swathes of destruction the US has left in Iraq and Afghanistan and, whatever one’s view of Ahmadinejad, his urgent and over riding responsibility is to ensure that nothing like that happens to Iran; a de Gaulle type responsibility that must take precedence over social and political niceties.

Finally, it is an illusion that the US ‘won’ the Cold War. Time brought about the changes to Russia just as it is bringing about changes to the US and everywhere else. History is a continuum; it appears from behind us and weaves away before us like a serpent in the grass. It is an abstraction, it has no reality, it is but a draft sketch for the present. Any other view is propaganda.