Interview: Viktoria Mohacsi

A Roma political leader and celebrated human rights campaigner speaks to FP on hate crimes, segregation, and why Europe needs to protect its most vulnerable minority.

INTERVIEW BY JOSHUA E. KEATING | OCTOBER 20, 2010

In recent weeks, French President Nicolas Sarkozy's government has come under fire from the European Union and human rights organizations for its expulsion of Roma migrants. Less attention has focused on the deteriorating situation for the Roma in their home countries in Eastern Europe. A newly released report from the U.S. NGO Human Rights First documents a recent uptick in hate crimes -- including murder and arson -- directed against the Roma community in Hungary. The upsurge in violence coincides with the growing influence of the far-right Jobbik party, which has been eager to pin the country'seconomic woes on the "Roma problem."

This week, Hungarian Roma political leader Viktoria Mohacsi visited the United States to receive Human Rights First's 2010 human rights award. Mohacsi represented Hungary in the European Parliament from 2004 to 2009, when she lost her seat as a result of Jobbik's electoral gains. She spoke with FP about the challenges facing the Roma in Hungary and throughout Europe.

Foreign Policy: What message are you looking to bring on your visit to the United States?

Viktoria Mohasci: This is the biggest opportunity I've had to request help [from the U.S. government] to combat hate crimes in Hungary. We have an ongoing racist serial-killing spree happening in my country which has not ended. The FBI cooperated with the Hungarian police in the investigation. That cooperation was very successful and that's why they caught the killers. Four perpetrators were caught last August. But even since they've been caught, the hate crimes [against Roma] are continuing. The police have found six dead bodies and nine instances where Molotov cocktails have been thrown at houses. And according to my research, there have been at least three times the amount of attacks than what the police have reported.

Now, [far-right political party] Jobbik, who received 15 percent of the vote in last year's parliamentary elections are promoting the idea of "gypsy crime" and the whole atmosphere in my country is unbelievable. It's not comfortable for a Romany person to live in Hungary.

This is why I've come here to raise the issue with the State Department. We've had very good cooperation in the past and I hope that with this cooperation we can create pressure to make combating hate crime part of the planned EU-Roma strategy.

FP: To what do you attribute the rise of Jobbik and this recent wave of anti-Roma sentiment?

VM: The main reason is because of the economic crisis. So many people lost their jobs -- like everywhere in the world. Some people are blaming my people for the lack of jobs. Of course, we didn't have jobs 20 years ago, 10 years ago, or now. [The Roma] haven't lost anything with the economic crisis. We've never had anything!

FP: Is that what's going on in France as well?

VM: Yes, partly. But France is just the latest place where this is happened. I believe that many of the people being expelled from France had previously been in Italy. This is a group [of Roma] that came from the Balkans, as well as from Romania and Bulgaria. We fought against the fingerprinting and other policies in Italy because we knew that if we let this pass, other states would copy. [In 2008, Italy's parliament passed a controversial measure to fingerprint all Roma in the country as part of an anti-crime campaign.]

What I want is for these people to be treated as EU citizens. If they're found committing a crime, they should be treated as criminals -- but the whole group should not be targeted as "gypsy criminals." Most of the people who left Italy went to France, Switzerland, Denmark, and Germany. We've heard already a statement from German Chancellor Angela Merkel who has threatened migrants, saying that they will be punished for not integrating into society. Switzerland has almost entirely expelled them. These probably won't be the last.

FP: Why is anti-Romany racism so engrained in Hungary?

VM: When we joined the EU, we put together a desegregation plan based on the experience of the United States. We took a survey and found that94 percent of Hungarians didn't want their children sitting next to Romany kids in school. We knew that this would be the hardest issue in the country, but we knew that without mixing them into schools, full integration would never be successful.

Twent-five to 30 percent of Romany kids have been declared mentally disabled by the [Hungarian education system]. For the general population in Europe, the average is 3 percent. The World Health Organization has said that it's not physically possible for one population to have more than 3 percent. This is because of prejudice as well as the fact that school districts can get extra funding for having more special needs kids.

Sometimes, people say that Romany parents want their children to be declared disabled because they'll get extra state benefits. This is a lie. The money goes into the pockets of the local government.

The students themselves wind up in lower-quality ghetto schools. That's why I feel very alone. There are no Romany teachers, doctors, judges, or human rights activists. There's nobody who can be successful.

FP: Have Roma tried to become more active in the political system?

VM: My fellow MPs and MEPs would always tell me, "Teach your people to vote. You have to teach them to participate." But my research discovered that the election percentages were exactly the same. In EU elections, 60 percent of Roma people voted and 60 percent of [the total population] voted. It's the same thing when you hear people say that our kids are not attending school. Less than 1 percent of Romany kids are not attending school in Hungary.

Of course, I don't know how it is in other countries. If I get the chance, I'd like to extend this research to all of the 27 EU member states.

FP: But if Roma are voting, why aren't Roma politicians more influential at the national level?

VM: All the major political parties [in Hungary] choose one Roma representative. Most of these are not effective because the parties always choose someone who won't speak up too loudly. I heard one of them say, "We have to teach the Romany people to work before we can have integration." A Romany politician said this! It's shameful. But this is because they were chosen by the party. I was chosen by the Liberals, and we wound up fighting a lot because they thought I would be silent and not get involved. When they saw I was going to independently pursue my issues, they wanted to kick me out. We've created several Romany parties, but none of them have been successful.

FP: How have the open borders in the EU changed life for your community?

VM: People thought that they could have a better life in the West. Instead they experience discrimination, exclusion, having their kids taken away from them by authorities. It's worse for us today than it was when the border was closed under communism.

DOMINIQUE FAGET/AFP/Getty Images

 SUBJECTS:
 

Viktoria Mohacsi is a Romany human rights activist and was amember of the European Parliament from 2004 to 2009.

Joshua E. Keating is an associate editor at Foreign Policy.

NICOLAS19

7:27 AM ET

October 22, 2010

this interviw is a hate crime in itself

Let's get those facts straight:
- She didn't lose her EP place due to Jobbik or any other party. She lost it because people - even the high-voting Roma people - didn't vote for her. Big difference.

- The "racist serial killing-spree" has ended more then half a year ago. Those responsible have been jailed for decades, just as they would be in every civilized country.

- Less than 1 percent Roma children not attending school? Where did she get that data? Not so long ago, a small town's mayor was assaulted and beaten by an exclusively Roma mob because of a regulation that they won't get aid after their children if they don't let them attend school.

The authorities don't raise a finger if you don't break the laws. No vagabond gets punished for simply being there; but if someone commits a crime, he/she gets punished, regardless of origin. And that is a good thing, non-discrimination.

 

BORZIMORZI

3:37 AM ET

October 25, 2010

As a former voter and supporter of Ms. Mohacsi sees it

It's me. I voted for her, because I wanted a person to represent the Roma minority in the EP, to fight for their rights and obtain funds for Roma integration and education. I also hoped that Romany girls who are regularly abused by their own male relatives will see a good example of a Romany woman who became somebody by choosing education and career instead of playing truant from school, remaining uneducated and giving birth to four children before her 21st birthday.

But Ms. Mohacsi's performance in the EP was quite a disappointment. Instead of elaborating Roma integration programs and raising funds for them, she kept on lecturing Berlusconi and Italy on how to solve their problems originating from the astronomical crime rates of illegal Roma immigrants in Italy.

I hoped that Ms. Mohacsi would at least gain some support from the EP for the Gandhi Secondary School for Romany children that is quite unique in Europe. It is financed solely by the Hungarian government, and the public spending per student amounts to a sum four or five times more than the average sum spent on secondary school students in the country. But still, some more is needed, because it is extremely difficult to push Romany students through the GCSE exams. Their traditions do not support education at all.

My best hope was that Ms. Mohacsi would facilitate a reform movement within the Roma minority aimed at making education and labour a part of their tradition, while the appreciation and adoration of crime should be moderated or even ended among Roma people.

All my hopes were in vain. Ms. Mohacsi just keeps on moaning about that average Hungarian parents are not very happy to let their kids attend schools where Romany kids terrorize them, inclusive of beating them up or forcing them to provide sexual services. The very same Ms. Mohacsi did not let her own kids attend schools of Brussels where the local Arab or Turkish kids formed the majority. When it came to her own kids, she preferred to have them educated in schools that international diplomats and the local intelligentsia chose for their kids. She did not fancy mixing with lower classes and integrating kids of various social and cultural backgrounds when it came to the education of her own offspring.

All we got from her was a bunch of blatant lies about Hungary, the country that gave her everything she has. Her speech tends to be full of statements on the verge of slander and libel. She never ever mentions that the Hungarian taxpayers spent billions of HUF (Hungarian Forints) on Roma education in the past 20 years. Almost all public funds assigned to Romany leaders to spend them on the education of their minority were "lost", "inefficiently spent", in other words, stolen. The Romany minority (like other minorities of Hungary) has an absolutely unique extra right of vote in Hungary. An average citizen can vote at elections concerning the European Parliament, the Hungarian Parliament and the local municipality. But all members of any minority group in Hungary can also vote for representatives of their "minority municipalities". I know no similar system for such extra minority representation, except for Hungary where this exists.

 

HOBO23

11:34 AM ET

October 25, 2010

What a bunch of lies

Two comments before me quite adequately debunk Ms. Mohacsi's statements.

I want to add just a couple of items.
She says
"Sometimes, people say that Romany parents want their children to be declared disabled because they'll get extra state benefits. This is a lie."
What Ms. Mohacsi says here is a lie.
There was an investigative report in the Hungarian media recently which described how authorities investigated suspiciously high percentages of Roma children classified as disabled in certain locations.. The report described, in detail, the tricks that Roma parents employed to get the kids so classified. The report was widely discussed and has not been contradicted.

"The money goes into the pockets of the local government. "
Parents get increased family support money from the government if they have disabled children.

It would behoove Foreign Policy to do some fact checking before publishing an interview, and present the findings.

 

BREIZH

3:10 PM ET

October 25, 2010

Did she deserve that award?

I totally agree with the previous comments.
I would like to add some more information about the topic.
"Mohácsi attracted heavy criticism several times for indiscriminately defending Roma people even when they commit crimes. After the murder of handball player Marian Cozma by Roma men (see Veszprém stabbing) she commented on TV that "he must have provoked them".[1] Péter Magyarády, the chairman of Cozma's handball club, confuted the assumption that Cozma made disparaging comments about the Roma. Mohácsi later apologized.[2] In another interview she apparently found nothing wrong with Roma stealing street garbage bins, because "they know they can get money for them".[3]

Sources

1. ^ Mohácsi Viktória: „cigányozott Cozma feltehet?leg” hircity.hu, March 4, 2009
2. ^ Cozma-gyilkosság: bocsánatot kért Mohácsi Viktória hvg.hu, March 4, 2009
3. ^ Gettó-gondok. MiNap Online, November 23, 2008

 

MAROSY

2:30 AM ET

October 26, 2010

What about Romany hate crimes against Hungarians?

What about Gypsy hate crimes against ethnic Hungarians and Italians?
What about the crime in Olaszliszka where the Gypsy (Romany) crowd shouted "KILL THE HUNGARIAN" and lynched the ethnic Hungarian teacher in front of his two daughters (one of them age 16).

In Italy a Gypsy man has raped and rubbed an Italian women. As this is was not enough, he also brutally murdered his victim.

In France, some Gypsy terrorists have attacked a police station and set on fire in the village of Saint-Aignan.

As far as this article is concerned, it lacks seriousness. The name of the ex-MP is incorrectly written in the article: "Viktoria Mohasci". If the name is not correct, what about the rest of the article?

This woman sustains herself from the Gypsy Human rights industry.
The real reason from kicking her from the Liberal Party is that she could not give account for some funds of the party.

She is strongly supported by Mr. George Soros. By promoting this woman Mr. Soros wants to take a revenge on Hungary because of the Holocaust, where a lot of his relatives have been exterminated by the Nazis.

Not so long ago Canada has reinstated the visa for citizens of the Czech Republic because of too many ethnic Gypsy immigrants from there. Canada is also considering the same for Hungary because of the same reasons.

 

HOBO23

2:38 AM ET

October 26, 2010

By the way ...

By the way, where did they dig her up to give her the human rights award ?

She has no credibility even within the Roma community.:
in the elections on Oct. 3 of this year she did not get enough votes to be a member of the Roma minority self-government (it has four members plus a president) in the village of Bedo.

 

SZERDA7

2:54 AM ET

October 26, 2010

Lies as if she was reading it from a book

'celebrated human rights campaigner'

She could probably qualify as one of the most hated persons, amongst the Roma, too. Her most recent 'beneficial' activities - apart from this interview - would include closing down Roma only schools amongst strong protests from the part of teachers, pupils and parents.

Elections:

She never won a seat, got into parliament from the party list of a party, that disappeared, due to nobody voting for them recently. On the last elections, she stood in her home town, where quite a lot of Roma live. They did not vote for her. That's what there is.

Turn-out on the last EP elections was 36% nationally, not 60%. She cannot possibly know, how many Roma voted as there are no such statistics kept.

Roma murders:

It is not a question of her research, but dead bodies and a police/judiciary matter. They have ended. With several of the Secret Services
discharged, facing disciplinary action, an agent in court and under arrest. Nothing to do with the Jobbik.

'are promoting the idea of "gypsy crime" '[ the Jobbik]

Quite the contrary, lol. And with upto something like 90% unemployment rate amongst the Roma, I do not think there is one single retard to be found, who would think the Roma take the jobs away from them.

Education:

'Twent-five to 30 percent of Romany kids have been declared mentally disabled by the [Hungarian education system]. '

The education system does not declare anybody mentally disabled. It has no such rights, obviously. There are medical professionals and institutions for this. Such a figure I have not even heard of.

There are special needs classes for multiply disadvantaged children, with good reason.

The 1% is the part of the Roma population with terciary education. I do not know figures for non-attendance but it is rather high. About 50% of the Roma population finished primary school.

'There are no Romany teachers, doctors, judges, or human rights activists.'

There are. Of the latter, too many. I personally know several teachers, those in the medical profession and pastors in the methodist church.

 

RIDERFREE

2:39 PM ET

October 28, 2010

prejudice

In February 2009 a group of gipsies killed a sportsman, Marian Cozma (he was 27 years old at the time he was killed). The whole affair was provoked by the gipsies at a bar, and the murder was committed with knife. The cameras of the bar recorded the beginning of the affair, and clearly showed that the sportsman tried to escape from the conflict, but the gipsies chased him.

And then came Viktoria Mohacsi. What was her first response when he heard about this murder?
She said that the murder must have happened because the sportsman must have been insulted the gipsies. Of course he did not, and this can be seen on the videos as well.
The whole incident was so terrible for Ms Mohacsi, that finally she even had to excuse herself.

But this gipsy woman always sees everything from the same angle:
the non-gipsies are always full of prejudice.

Why shall we believe then any of her words in this interview???

 

RIDERFREE

2:44 PM ET

October 28, 2010

some more source of information

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vikt%C3%B3ria_Moh%C3%A1csi

 

JOZO

8:06 AM ET

October 29, 2010

its a bouncing lie

The hungarian-roma young people have only one duty/charge: visit schools

nothing else: books, school and food for free

But they don't do it: theachers were attacked and killed, hungarian students are looted, raped and killed, etc

hups: the hungarian roma families have a strange habit: "csicskaság": witch is a simple slaveowner system

kaposvár: http://www.dunatv.hu/itthon/rabszolgatartas_kaposvaron.html
rábasömjén: http://www.vasnepe.hu/cimlapon/20091123_csicskazas_rabasomjen
pápa: http://barikad.hu/node/37450
nyírbátor: http://bekesmegye.hir6.hu/cikk/46650/100924_rabszolgatartas_nyirbatorban
szarvas: http://propeller.hu/itthon/558330-megdobbento-dokumentum-rabszolgatartas-szarvason-bekes-megyei-szo

The slaveowners were romanis in every case, the victims usually old/alcoholist people (romanis and hungarians)

when will you protect them???

 

SZERDA7

10:47 AM ET

October 29, 2010

Wikilink posted

'indiscriminately defending Roma people even when they commit crimes'

What else would she be doing? And any other Roma rights worriors?

Then they seem surprised, ID-ed with crime.

What other situation does the Roma need protecting and from whom or what?

That is what all of them are doing, getting criminals off the hook, collecting a good pay for doing so, embezzling Roma development moneys and spitting hate around at everybody else. Due respect to the odd exception, who does something useful. she is not one of them.

 

MADMARX

6:18 PM ET

October 29, 2010

Dear mister Keating, One of

Dear mister Keating,

One of the first rules of journalism is checking the facts. Not publishing what someone tells you, but checking the facts. Have you? Before publishing this appaling piece of excrement, have you checked the facts?

Have you taken a look at the crime, employment, school visiting statistics?
Have you taken a look at the news articles related to Viktoria Mohacsi?
Have you taken the time to do some research on the topic of Roma in Europe?
You have not. Where any JOURNALIST worth its salt would have done.
Shame on you.
Professionalism=0
Popularism (or geting paid) =all

 

PAPRIKA

11:33 AM ET

November 2, 2010

paprika

I can't say how much I agree with you. FP should be prosecuted for putting out such garbage. This is what I call "The Dumbing Down of America." What a disgrace!

 

ARCHENEMY666HU

10:06 PM ET

October 29, 2010

whoa

"People thought that they could have a better life in the West. Instead they experience discrimination, exclusion, having their kids taken away from them by authorities."

So that means that not only ALL THE HUNGARIANS are NAZI, but ALL THE WORLD IS NAZI TOO?!?!? What a shame!

 

NICOLAS19

10:23 AM ET

October 30, 2010

racist Romas get jailed, too

On Friday, a Roma death-squad with the motto of "Death to Hungarians" was sentenced to in total 41 years in prison for violent crimes by racist motives. They had items, banners and tapes detailing the crimes they would commit. Luckily, there IS justice in Hungary.

 

PAPRIKA

12:01 PM ET

November 2, 2010

Roma racism

Roma racism against Hungarians is a well know rarely spoken of fact. Example: I go home with my then 5 years old daughter to bury my Mother. Get on the 95 bus to get her remains at the cemetery when a bunch of gypsies get on the bus and all of a sudden their big leader (vajda?) bursts out "I want to drink Hungarian blood today!"
I wonder who is going to feed them, whom are they going to steal from, etc. when we are all killed off by them. They are also saying that since the Hungarians are reluctant to reporoduce, they will have lots of children and take over our country on account of having majority. Never mind that most of them barely can read or write, let it be Hungarian or Romany.
Your statement that there is justice in Hungary is an overstatement becuase the are constantly wielding the "racism" sword against us and ignorant, ill informed people, like those writing articles like this, keep talking out of both sides of their mouths without having the facts right.

 

JOES_FRON

12:28 AM ET

November 19, 2010

Racist Romas get jailed

In France, some tatil Gypsy terrorists have attacked a police station and set on fire gazeteler in the village of Saint-Aignan.

As far as this article sinema is concerned, it lacks seriousness. The name of the ex-MP is incorrectly written in the article: "Viktoria Mohasci". If the name is not correct, tutune son what about the rest of the article?