Armchair Warriors

Civilian strategists often think they understand the use of force better than their generals do. Here are 10 cockamamie military schemes that thankfully never came to pass.

BY MICAH ZENKO | OCTOBER 22, 2010

What: Bill Clinton's black ninjas
Target:
Osama bin Laden

In 1999 or 2000, after the failed attempt to kill Osama bin Laden with some 80 cruise missiles launched into the al Qaeda camp in Khost, Afghanistan, a frustrated President Bill Clinton thought that somehow the United States could "scare the shit out of al Qaeda if suddenly a bunch of black ninjas rappelled out of helicopters into the middle of their camp," according to the 9/11 Commission.

TOSHIFUMI KITAMURA/AFP/Getty Images

 SUBJECTS: NATIONAL SECURITY
 

Micah Zenko is a fellow at the Center for Preventive Action at the Council on Foreign Relations and author of Between Threats and War: U.S. Discrete Military Operations in the Post-Cold War World.

RKERG

9:27 PM ET

October 22, 2010

No contest

The dumbest military idea posed by civilian armchair generals like Richard Perl, Dick Cheney and numerous other neo-cons was the war with Iraq. Slam dunk, contest over.

 

GRANT

3:06 AM ET

October 23, 2010

I wonder if Mr. Devine

I wonder if Mr. Devine remembers exactly what happened during Sherman's march. I somehow think that wouldn't be advisable in the 21st century.

 

FREETRADER

9:57 AM ET

October 23, 2010

Disappointing Article

Only a few of these suggestions were actually evoked by anyone in influence. Who cares if Clinton wished out load that there were 'ninjas' that could Kill Osama Bin Laden? Who doesn't? In any case, how is that wishful thinking a 'policy suggestion'? Also, why exactly would bombing North Korea be such a bad idea? Nothing else has worked. Ditto with suggestions to try and isolate the Sudan and Zimbabwe. I suppose that sitting impotently while others are killed is the 'realistic' response.

 

GRANT

6:25 PM ET

October 23, 2010

The reason such ideas are

The reason such ideas are considered bad is because they rarely work and usually make the United States look very bad in comparison to its rivals. The U.S could bomb North Korea and North Korea might very well decide to invade South Korea, something we obviously don't really want. Zimbabwe is hardly a threat to the U.S worth such efforts and in Sudan we're more than a bit worried about what's going to happen when South Sudan votes for independence.

 

FREETRADER

11:42 PM ET

October 24, 2010

@Grant

Oh, I am well aware of the arguments against them. That doesn't make the suggestions self-evidently idiotic, and it doesn't make doing nothing, or next to nothing, self-evidently a winner.

As I wrote, this is a really disappointing article, a bunch of gossip and no analysis.

 

LIFELINE

2:03 PM ET

October 23, 2010

Chavez and assasination...

...pretty sure US has backed several attempts to either assassinate or overthrow chavez. They just always fail.

 

LAVBO0321

11:27 PM ET

October 23, 2010

Negative Ghoast Rider

That is a negative Ghost Rider.

We have not planed or supported such BS.

As soon as we start knocking of their (idiots of the world) leaders, they will start knocking off ours.

Why bother. He is only driving his country to ruin. Big deal. Happens every day in Latin America.

 

WMS

2:07 PM ET

October 23, 2010

Loosing a war

Discussing pathologies of decisions making , I've noticed recently a some kind madness of local leaders (not only the military one) that probably should be called a Kurtz syndrome http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apocalypse_Now
...they are/were there, they think they always know better, they think they know how to win their battle even if they lose allies , war etc.
People who do not understand logic of conflict (or reality) are in my opinion as hopeless as these ones who are are not able to change the rules of what they participate even if everything went wrong.

 

LAVBO0321

11:24 PM ET

October 23, 2010

Speaking of cockamamie

This article is probably one of the worst FP has ever published. Sad.

The only reason some of these plans are cockamamie is that they are not politically correct. Some of them make perfect sense in a world right side up. Unfortunately we currently live in a world upside down.

Marching into Pakistan to finish our war once and for all is the right thing to do.

But only because it is politically cockamamie we are going to spend the next 3 to 5 years wasting lives, money and time only to fail.

Now that is cockamamie.

 

ITONLYSTANDSTOREASON

7:13 PM ET

October 25, 2010

Thank You!

For illustrating so well the author's thesis.

I can only assume you've never contemplated the difficulties of a sweep through mountains.

The aim of Sherman's march was to break the will and wealth of the rebellion. A sweep in Afghanistan would only turn everyone into a supporter of the Taliban. Unless you're willing to spend $500 billion a year on a permanent occupation of the AfPak region, forget about it.

And don't forget that Pakistan has nukes.

 

LAVBO0321

10:51 PM ET

October 26, 2010

Exactly

If Pakistan didn't have nukes. We would be home by now.

If my comments sounded like we should march through Afghanistan as did Sherman s march, attacking the infrastructure, that is not what I meant. And you are seeing what you want to see.

We should sweep the enemy from the mountains and we should pursue them into Pakistan. One way or another.

We invaded and liberated Afghanistan to topple the Taliban, and destroy AQ.

They are both alive and well in Pakistan. If Pakistan were truly our ally in this war, it would have been over by now.

The Taliban and AQ have no were else to run. But because Pakistan has nukes, we have to play nice.

 

PMI

9:28 AM ET

October 29, 2010

Regardless of whether his

Regardless of whether his plan has merit, if the screen name is anything close to being accurate 0321 isn't a civie.

 

OL EMPRESARIO

8:25 PM ET

October 24, 2010

Interesting Article...

I am not sure generals have such great ideas either. Every one of them I've ever met cares about nothing but gadget contracts and subsequently joining the board of XYZ Defense Company. Every so often, they will mull over the prospects of an all-out war with a superpower--one that happens to control our economy at the moment. Guerilla warfare has proven to be the strategic kryptonite against conventional military forces. Our military leaders have not come to grips with that fact. Our army sucks--period. Give it a war and it will lose it. (As far as I am concerned, the Corps of Engineers and the Special Forces are its only redeeming entities) Our air and naval forces are the best in the world, but they are virtually useless in unconventional warfare. In hindsight, has there been a good military policy decison in the US since World War II? Want a good military policy decision? Here is it: Get our troops out of every foreign country and stop subverting democratic governments all over the world. Somehow I think Islamic attacks will suddenly stop hitting our airports after that. If any great army is dumb enough to invade the US, I'm pretty sure a redneck/backwoods militia insurgency would make the Iraq insugency look like a welcome parade.

I hate Bill Clinton; but I would not be surprised if that ninja story about him was either apocryphal or taken out of context. It sounds like a rumor perpetuated by a military that hates him and makes parlor jokes about him and his wife.

 

SIDEWINDER

9:18 AM ET

October 25, 2010

"Home By Christmas"

Here's my vote for the armchair warrior FAIL that America has fallen victim to for over a century...
"They'll be home by Christmas."
Every president who ever sent troops anywhere fed us this tripe and it goes well beyond the myopic reference to current conflicts.

 

PHILLCALLE

9:25 AM ET

October 26, 2010

I Don't Get It

1. How are most of these suggestions any different from our other military blunders?

2. Haven't generals made their share of "cockamamie" suggestions?

3. Was this article originally written for cracked.com but then rejected for not being funny enough?

 

FUYURA

1:06 PM ET

October 26, 2010

gates air war in

Had to look twice. It seems like he resurrected his idea in Afghanistan, Pakistan, Yemen,...

 

NBPAT

11:57 AM ET

October 28, 2010

Why doesn't Mexico ...

Why doesn't the government of Mexico send assassins into Texas, Arizona and New Mexico to take out the gun dealers who provide weapons to the drug cartels?

If word gets around amongst the gun dealers about just what happens to dealers, their wives, children and pets then they would be much, much less likely to sell weapons that will go illegally into Mexico.

The US cannot object because it is, basically, the same approach they use with renditions and predator drone killings. Maybe the Mexican agents can even leave some collateral damage behind.

 

GTWICKLER

2:27 PM ET

October 28, 2010

This armchair warrior would like to add:

Referring to "Acheson's armed division on the autobahn"

"In 1961, with tension high between the United States and the Soviet Union over Berlin, U.S. President John F. Kennedy asked former Secretary of State Dean Acheson to launch a systematic review of U.S. policy toward Germany. To signal America's strong commitment to defending West Berlin, Acheson's suggestion for dealing with the Berlin crisis was to send "an armored division, with another division in reserve" up the autobahn through East Germany and into West Berlin. Acheson admitted, "There is… a substantial possibility that war might result." Kennedy wisely opted instead to bolster military readiness but avoid an outright provocation of the Soviet Union. "

Well, they didn't send an armoured division, but 1/18th Battlegroup, led by COL Glover S. Johns, Jr., went straight to Berlin through Red territory.

http://www.vmi.edu/uploadedFiles/Archives/Alumni/JohnsGS1931/Johns_Glover_1931_obituary.pdf

 

SHIRLEE RAUDENBUSH

5:28 AM ET

November 21, 2010

Armchair Warriors

Civilian strategists often think they understand the use of force better than their generals do. Here are 10 cockamamie military schemes that thankfully never came to pass. Only a few of these suggestions were actually evoked by anyone in influence. Who cares if Clinton wished out load that there were 'ninjas' that could Kill Osama Bin Laden? Who doesn't? In any case, how is that wishful thinking a 'policy suggestion'? Also, why exactly would bombing North Korea be such a bad idea? Nothing else has worked. Ditto with suggestions to try and isolate the Sudan and Zimbabwe. "U. S. Defense Secretary Robert Gates once observed, "I have seen a lot of civilians make a lot of proposals for a lot of silly military actions. " In response to foreign-policy problems that resist easy solutions, the quick allure of military force is the civilian's siren song goldsboro life insurance. Many proposals -- while informal or semiserious -- are preposterous and overlook even a basic understanding of political objectives, military strategy, geography, and logistics. Here are the top 10 most ridiculous military options offered up by U. S. government officials or civilian commentators over the last few decades. Thankfully, these would-be civilian follies, based on unrealistic and often dangerous notions of what military power can achieve, were quashed before they left the drawing board. " Who cares if Clinton wished out load that there were 'ninjas' that could Kill Osama Bin Laden? Who doesn't? In any case, how is that wishful thinking a 'policy suggestion'? Also, why exactly would bombing North Korea be such a bad idea? Nothing else has worked. Ditto with suggestions to try and isolate the Sudan and Zimbabwe. I suppose that sitting impotently while others are killed is the 'realistic' response.