Interview: Viktor Ivanov

Putin's drug czar gets heated over California pot and Afghan poppies.

BY JOSHUA E. KEATING | OCTOBER 22, 2010

Russia's top drug official warned in an interview with Foreign Policy on Friday of what he called the "catastrophic" consequences of marijuana legalization measures like California's upcoming ballot initiative, saying darkly that widespread legal drug use would produce "psychiatric deviations" and will only encourage drug addiction.

 

Viktor Ivanov, a former KGB officer and prominent member of Prime Minister Vladimir Putin's inner circle, even took the unusual step of going to Los Angeles earlier this week to "conduct a campaign against legalizing marijuana in California," as he said in the interview. He also came to Washington this week to meet with U.S. drug czar Gil Kerlikowske and U.S. Afghan envoy Richard Holbrooke to discuss anti-poppy measures in Afghanistan and call for an intensified program of aerial eradication.

The United States has largely abandoned eradicating the poppy crop in favor of a narrower strategy focusing on cutting off funding to the Taliban and cracking down on traffickers. Ivanov says that isn't enough to counter the flow of heroin into Russia, which kills tens of thousands of users every year. 

But California's laxity, it seems, was particularly startling to him. "I hadn't known about it before and I was absolutely shocked when I was in the city and saw these posters saying that you can get marijuana for medical purposes," he said. He met with Los Angeles mayor Antonio Villaraigosa and Sheriff Leroy Baca to voice Russia's opposition to the measure. Noting that U.S. President Barack Obama has also expressed his opposition to legalization, Ivanov described it as "one of the cases where Russia and the U.S. agree completely."

He continued: "I'm afraid that the consequences of [legalization] will be catastrophic. Even the Netherlands, where they sell marijuana legally in coffee shops, they are now reversing on this. Because there, and everywhere, drug addiction is becoming stronger and the people who are addicted develop psychiatric deviations. They say, 'What does God do when he wants to punish a person? He deprives him of his mind.'"

Ivanov, who served in Afghanistan with the KGB during the Soviet Union's war in the 1980s expressed skepticism about the war effort in Afghanistan. "During the last five years the perception of the foreign powers by the local population has changed," he said. "Now they take it as a military occupation of their country."  

This was Ivanov's sixth meeting with his U.S. counterpart, Kerlikowske. In this meeting, Ivanov sought to push the United States to resume aerial eradication campaigns against poppy growing in Afghanistan. He thinks the United States should use "methods of defoliation similar to what's used in Colombia."

GERARD CERLES/AFP/Getty Images

 SUBJECTS:
 

Viktor Ivanov is the director of Russia’s Federal Service for the Control of Narcotics.

Joshua E. Keating is an associate editor at Foreign Policy.

TEXRUS

9:44 AM ET

October 23, 2010

Putin's Drug Czar

This Putin shill must be on drugs to make a silly statement such as "he was surprised to find out that California has lax pot laws and that it would be a disaster if California voters further legalize the plant."

Pot grows wild along the roads and in the public parks of Russia, from one end to the other. I've lived in Russia and mostly, the people ignore the plant. Ditto poppies that are a popular Russian garden flower.

Chances are that Putin's shill has a cut of the action and doesn't want his fellow citizens to know the options.

 

WAL MAN

11:19 AM ET

October 23, 2010

This man is either an idiot...

or wants to keep drugs illegal to protect the interests of the Russian regime.
Drug Prohibition has been an obvious and dismal failure and has diverted huge untrackable amounts of money to drug cartels and shadow governments.
If legalization "breaks out" then all that illegal money drys up and goes above board and is siphoned by competition in the light of the marketplace.

America's 35 year intensified War on Drugs (and on us) has not only not stemmed the tide of drugs in this country, it has spawned a huge penal system that permeats our society and generates vast amounts of money for law enforcement yet I see kids selling drugs in my middle class suburban neighborhood right at the gas station. The supply of drugs not only has not diminished on bit in 35 years, the price for most of it has gone down or has remained steady for that period. We all know a "kid" in the mail room who can get us a bag if we want one and my kid sees it all the time and so we have foreign "Dignitarys" trying to tell us to stay the course on the Drug War because...because why? It's not working. It's only because they have something to be gained from keeping it off the market.

Bad policy takes time to manifest itself as a great mistake. It only took 13 years for booze but the Drug War makes the bad old 1930s look like a black & white cartoon. Our inner cities are no man's lands. Populations of what would be entire towns have been killed in the last couple of years and we are to believe this will be stopped in the future? This isn't Leg's Diamond with a Tommy Gun people, wake up.

It's time to end the Prohibition. It hasn't worked, it CAN'T work since market forces are stronger than any government. It will never work. Time to change the strategy. Divert the resources to education and treatment. I have friends who want to get clean but can't find a bed in a facility. But there is a bed in the jail for them. How's that working? Tear down the enforcement cartels and the drug cartels will follow.

It's going to happen anyway. It's better we do it ourselves than to eventually capitulate to the goths at the gate.

wal

 

MODERNLOGIC

11:36 AM ET

October 23, 2010

Poppi in Afgan

This empty suit is just pushing his globalist agenda. The United State Military is currently growing crops of poppi in Afganistan as I type. Where are those drugs going to? The by product is of poppi is far worse than that of cannabis. I hope this guy slips and gets his suit dirty when he comes to town.

 

RHREESE

1:20 PM ET

October 23, 2010

It's not going to happen anyway

You sound like a drug user. Justifying legalized pot is a users way to get what they want legally. There is no place in society that would benifit from from legalizing pot. It's called enabling to give in to these users and creates more drug use rather than deminishing it's use. To call Viktor Ivanov an idiot tells me that maybe your a heavy user of these drugs or a dealer. Viktor Ivanov opinions proves that Russia has concerns with this drug war that a person like you take too lightly and make the war harder to fight.

 

FENTON MEWLEY

5:16 PM ET

October 23, 2010

RHREESE is either a...

... drug dealer or really ignorant.

Marijuana is not a very psycho active drug. Salvia is, and it's already legal. Alcohol and cigarettes are legal, and they don't benefit society either. Perhaps, you should start prohibition for those substances instead of bashing legalization of marijuana. Marijuana is also one of the safest substances in comparison to pharmaceuticals and other legal substances.

The drug war will end when the cartels have no one to sell to. Selling of marijuana will continue, and there's no stopping that. Millions are users, that market will not disappear.

Carl Sagan was a habitual user, and was brilliant. In his "Mr. X Essay," he cites that after getting high, it ENABLED him to think about complex problems more than when he was sober. It's quite the opposite of "psychiatric deviation," but "psychiatric enhancement."

You can read Sagan's essay here: http://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=156481

If we are free to hallucinate on salvia, have our judgment impaired by alcohol, and be able to give ourselves cancer with cigarettes, then prohibition of marijuana is an outright attack on our personal freedoms.

Lastly, hemp is an amazing plant. Legalizing hemp will allow the human race to live sustainable lifestyles.

 

LIFELINE

12:00 AM ET

October 24, 2010

@REREASE

I know in US this may not be a cultural thing due to the War on Drugs and is more of a subcultural thing in run down places. In Canada weed is quite literally apart of our culture. The greatest Canadian historian, Pierre Burton (Who has also written numerous well credited books on Canadian culture), on his last televised interview taught the audience how to roll a spliff, no one beforehand knew he was a user. This was a statement to the stupid laws and misconceptions about marijuana. The man was successful, bright and was not a user of any heavier drugs. I live in an upper class area of Canada and know many successful people who smoke marijuana.

In moderation marijuana is fine, of course anyone can abuse anything but it is as addictive as alcohol. Marijuana is also suspected to generate billions of dollars in the underworld in Canada alone (a population of 33 million mind you). Most of which is going to gangs, but not all of it, since Canada does have a lot of non-gang affiliated growers. The fact is, if the government legalized it they could regulate it, take the money from gangs, create new jobs and put the tax money gained from it.

I see in the the next few decades the age of Canada testing the waters a bit more when it comes to legalizing marijuana (as they did in the turn of the century), however it will be different for US since the war on drugs and propaganda has everyone believing reefer madness.

 

WAL MAN

12:44 AM ET

October 24, 2010

Re: RHReese...

I don't think you actually read my comment. You should read it again and perhaps more slowly. I need say nothing more on the subject because you either "get" it or you don't and right now, you don't. It's all in my original comment. Savor it.

 

JSMIT

1:35 PM ET

October 24, 2010

@RHREESE

Look at Mr. DEA here! Or are you head of the narcotics devision at your local police station?

 

PIUMARTIAN

7:54 PM ET

October 24, 2010

Walman

Rhreese, I couldn't agree more. This guy's no empty suit if he dodged bullets in Afghanistan during another world power's fail to control these 13th century mongrels. Anyone who fights is a warrior, and while I probably wouldn't agree with most of his politics, for anyone to infer he's a shill like Texrus is suggesting is, well, under the influence.

Walman, inner cities are lost due to use and abuse of it's citizens. No smoke, no snort, no demand.

 

AL92LT1

11:37 AM ET

October 23, 2010

Russia against California pot proposal

And we should care what Russia thinks and change our laws so as not to offend.

Just as Arizona should change their laws so as not to offend Mexico.

Americans have lost their country.

 

RHREESE

1:29 PM ET

October 23, 2010

Arizona/California

Two different issues illegal imigration, illegal pot. No comparison.

 

OZLANTHOS

2:02 PM ET

October 23, 2010

Not so much

Actually the illegal immigration issue is intrinsically intertwined with our illegal drug issue. The coyotes make immigrants carry large amounts of illegal substances into the country with them as payment for assistance in getting into the country. Kill the illegal drug trade, kill a lot of the way illegals pay for their entry....I like it!

-Oz

 

MAJOR VARIOLA

12:10 PM ET

October 23, 2010

This guy is evidence enough that 19 needs to pass

When you get KGB coming to California to advise against something,
you know you are doing something right. Yes on 19, no to unconstitutional prohibition.

 

TIMEDONKEY

1:26 PM ET

October 23, 2010

Free Market Hemp

A New Economic Foundation,
Renewable Energy and the Social Contract

We have an opportunity to create a new economic foundation based on renewable natural resources, yielding thousands of green jobs, producing a sustainable replacement for oil and the restoration of social consent and confidence in the body politic. All of that and more made manifest by a stroke of the pen, simply by properly classifying hemp as the medicine and beneficial resource that over 100,000,000 Americans already know it is. Hemp, cannabis is good.

The social benefit of a rational hemp policy would be to restore social consent and confidence in the body politic. Currently, over 100,000,000 Americans have used marijuana and have decided that it is a good thing, not dangerous and should be free, not used to ruin peoples lives by arrest, confiscation and disenfranchisement. Thinking people do their own research and many times conclude that the laws against marijuana are arbitrary, unjust, wrong and that the only people who support them are either uninformed or their jobs depend upon the mandatory acceptance of marijuana prohibition. This is the true silent majority, citizens who think that the marijuana laws are irrational and are afraid of persecution and discrimination if they express their opinions publicly.

Industrial hemp production could provide a domestic and renewable source of fuel, fiber and jobs. Hemp can be grown, produced and processed all across the land by thousands of urban farmers using land, lots, parks and public lands lying fallow and unused. These green jobs are about the growing, harvesting and processing of locally grown organics for food and fuel and could constitute the bedrock of a truly independent economy, intrinsically secure, renewable and stable, sustainable and most importantly doable.

The benefits of a rational hemp policy are financial, social and moral.
The economic impact of is three fold; first is the creation of Jobs based on a sustainable, clean source of fuel, fiber and medicine, estimated at over One Trillion dollars. Good jobs that produce energy and tax revenue that is
The second is the savings to taxpayers by eliminating the money spent on law enforcement, the courts and prisons, estimated at over 8 billion a year. The third is the cost to individuals and families who are criminalized by a system that encourages law enforcement to arrest people, fine them, confiscate their property, and disenfranchise them from the vote, healthcare, professional licenses and credit. This cost is measured in the billions of dollars. All totaled the war on marijuana and the lost opportunities to develop hemp; combined with the needless suffering of those persecuted is over 2 Trillion dollars a year.
The moral benefit is simple; the truth will set us free.

We need to decriminalize marijuana and repel the effects of the 1937 Marijuana Tax Act to restore the production, development and use of the most sustainable, renewable natural resource recorded in history. Hemp production can replace the use of oil as a fuel quickly, efficiently and at low cost. Hemp is a renewable crop that can be grown on land not used for food, improving the land and providing a carbon neutral source of fuel. Hemp production and processing will create jobs all across the land while providing a local and domestic source of energy.
The use of marijuana for medical purposes is the oldest and most universally documented use of any substance in medical history. 13 states have decided that marijuana is a beneficial plant and it is time allow and encourage the use and investigation of medical marijuana and industrial hemp.

Hemp production was the economic foundation of colonial America because it was readily grown and used for over 25,000 different purposes; Hemp was grown for sails, rope, oil for lamps, clothing and high quality paper. The Declaration of Independence was drafted on hemp paper by Thomas Jefferson, an advocate of hemp for commerce, medicine and recreation. George Washington was one of the largest hemp growers in the colonies and the renewable income produced by this plant sustained our first president and his family before, during and after the revolution. It is fair to say that the spirit to be free and independent was made possible by the ability of our fore fathers to be economically independent and free. Hemp production was the backbone of liberty, freedom and economic independence for colonial America and could once again be the keystone of a renewable, sustainable and yes, Independent economy.

 

RHREESE

1:39 PM ET

October 23, 2010

Capital gains.

You want to justify legalizing pot on economic recovery. You have got to be kidding. How many people will die either on our roads or from increased use of drugs if 19 is passed. What I like is the Feds telling California that if it makes pot legal, it doesn't matter. They will arrest people using it.

 

OZLANTHOS

2:17 PM ET

October 23, 2010

Typical

FEAR FEAR FEAR ANY SEMBLANCE OF INTELLIGENCE AND/OR REASON! Are you kidding me? Most stoners I know when asked to drive would say: "you want me to do what?", "yeah whatever, just hand me the Cheetos." Sounds really dangerous and scary eh? Your commentary saddens me. It makes it clear to me that the scare-tactics of the fed have been entirely too effective in programming people. If they'd been less effective, you'd realize what a financial the message of hope in this parent-post truly represents. I flight from fear, hate, and stupidity, straight into hope, sanity and uber-productivity!

-Oz

 

OZLANTHOS

2:18 PM ET

October 23, 2010

correction

financial boon

 

JBRAZZLE

2:24 PM ET

October 23, 2010

Capital Gains

You do know that Marijuana is basically legal in California as it is now right? Prop 19 passing is not going to cause mass hysteria on the streets and turn thousands of vehicles into weapons. You should maybe erase what you remember from "Reefer Madness" and come and join us in the real world.

And for the comment about the Feds prosecuting in California anyway, the states are responding with their 10th amendment right to tell the Feds to piss off. The Sherriff's First legislation does just that and similar legislation like it has been adopted in 27 states.

Sherriff's First summary:

“Sheriffs First” bills make it a state crime for any federal agent to make an arrest, search, or seizure within the state without first getting the advanced, written permission of the elected county sheriff of the county in which the event is to take place.

Locally-elected sheriffs are accountable to the people and are supposed to be the chief law enforcement officer of the county, bar none. These bills put teeth into the expectation that federal agents must operate with the approval of the sheriff, or not at all.

...Good luck with enforcement after California adopts a policy like this.

 

ELBURRO

4:58 PM ET

October 24, 2010

Nobody'd going to die freom Pot

You idiots seem to have pot, a natural plant that does nothing more than make you happy and hungry, confused with your alcohol which makes you incapable of driving, or even walking, and is a frequent cause of fights, alcoholism, auto accidents and destroys ,illions of families.
Marijuana is a plant, and you whiney assholes should get that straight and also get it straight to stay the hell out of everyone else's lives and do something about your kid's obesity you know it all lazy fat dick. If you are anti-pot, you know nothing about it. You speak from ignorance you parrot morons. Now go have a cigarette and make sure you kid get some second hand smoke and don't forget to leave your liquor cabinet open so your kid can get drunk after you fall asleep in your drunken stupor.

I'll smoke al the pot I want and still do my job better than you and there isn't shit you can do about it grandma!

 

MITROKHINKGB

7:42 PM ET

October 24, 2010

Legalization of hemp

I respectfully disagree. Have you read research on how pot has caused the onset of schizophrenia on some users of pot ? A good friend of mine has now developed deep psychological problems from very excessive use of pot. He was a very normal person but when very young, began smoking pot very heavily, working his way into Tai stick; it was all downhill for him. He never was able to keep a job or care for himself. It reminds me of China, that had the public use excessive amounts of drugs in the early part of the last century. It keep them in power. It made the people too weak to see what was going one. I have two famliy members who did time in prison for both distribition and use of illegal drugs. Both agree that doing time saved them from being six feet underground. And they both agree that using pot is a gateway drug to other more powerful drugs; it makes you weak, not being able to protect yourself from being vunerable and it makes you a weak person. I'm a Hispanic from the "ghetto" so I have first hand experience about this. It is a hell that the Liberal elites have created for us and which they can never experience.

 

TITUS

1:36 PM ET

October 23, 2010

Drugs

Afghanistan produced 10% of world supply of heroin before the US invasion. Now they produce 90%. This is of course either by design or just coincidence.

COINCIDENCE! COINCIDENCE! COINCIDENCE!
Ill inform the easter bunny about it.

 

OZLANTHOS

2:24 PM ET

October 23, 2010

Funny stuff

What is even more humorous was that we were (under Clinton no less) paying the Taliban BILLIONS every year to take out the Opium farmers. Clinton leaves, bu$h gets in, 9/11 happens, we go into Afghanistan, take out the Taliban, opium production goes back up...Coincidence? I think not!

-Oz

 

HURRICANEWARNING

9:23 PM ET

October 24, 2010

I just have absolutely no

I just have absolutely no idea where you get your information. It is a dangerous practice to find bits of a story and then just fill in considerable gaps using your own "best" judgement. Americans arent growing poppies, and we never introduced crack into ghettos. Conspiracy theories are ways for people to make sense of and apply order to the universe, which is essentially chaotic and indefinable at its core. Coincidences happen, all the time, it is not conspiracy. C.T.'s just make us feel like we are relatively in control, like there is a thread of order to our existence...which, of course, there really isnt. Sorry for the rant, just that 90% of the people responding to this story seem kinda insane or extremely biased to one side, to the point of having little to no knowledge of the other...therefore making them fundamentally incapable of forming an intelligent argument. Just an observation, I dont care to comment on anything else, as I dont really have a dog in the fight. we'll be fine either way. America is not going to slip into oblivion, and government troops wont come take your precious medical marijuana away. Just relax

 

NYCJEFF

7:50 PM ET

October 23, 2010

fascinating

I always find it fascinating to watch the flow of the article go from marijuana, to "drugs", and then to heroin, nearly equating them all.
Bill Bennett does it all the time when he's interviewed.
He starts out simply by talking about something like Prop 19 and marijuana legalisation.
He then changes his language to talk about "legalising drugs" and then cites some statistic about overall drug use, excluding alcohol of course, but which includes cannabis, heroin, cocaine, crystal meth, etc, but never going into detail on the studies he talks about. He doesn't differentiate between any of them.

So they equate marijuana with everything else, as if the effects for all are the same, which is obviously untrue.

So thanks, but no thanks to Mr. Ivanov, but also to Mr. Keating, for writing this rubbish.

 

NYCJEFF

7:58 PM ET

October 23, 2010

p.s.

I'd love to get a look at Mr. Ivanov's liver;)

 

JDAWGELEVEN11

11:29 PM ET

October 23, 2010

RHReese obviously ignorance is bliss

Look at the studies done in Portugal after they decriminalized drug use dumby. No statistically significant increase in drug use since it was decriminalized. Several fold increase in numbers if those being treated for addiction. There countless anthropological studies that show that legalization has much more social benefits than cost. Do some research dumby before you go saying ignorant things like there like more people will die on the roads because of an increase in marijuana use. Which has been shown will not happen if it occurs. Not too mention all the studies disproving the "gateway" drug myth and the simple fact that if used by responsible adults it is exponentially better than alcohol but you seem ok with those social costs. Even more fundamental than that is any organization of people telling a responsible adult what they can or can not do with their bodies is a 19th century hangover. You can not legislate morality and you cannot change human nature! Rationality and logical thought will prevail in the end (78% of my generation favor it) but in the mean time I have to admit I am sick and tired of the broad based ignorance of those who oppose legalization of cannabinoids and othe narcotics. Do some reading, have a good think, and maybe you can wake up to the reality of our modern world.

 

ODZERCHENMA

1:14 AM ET

October 24, 2010

Viktor Ought To Kick Back, Smoke Some Dope, & Stop Hallucinating

Viktor met with the Sheriff in Lost Angeles to discuss heroin in Afghanistan. How very telling. I see the worldwide drug cartels are upset about the possibility that marijuana will be legalized. Viktor should just stick to what Russia knows best - hookers like Anna Chapman who are now the face of the KGB. Perhaps Anna can run into Afghanistan and stop the heroin trade.

In the meantime, stay tuned for my You Tube video proving that I can grow a mar.i.ju.ana plant for $25. You have to add in the DEA's salary to get it to $4,000 a pound.

It would be refreshing if people would get off whatever they're taking causing these delusions. Viktor looks frightening and should have run for Governor of La La Land. He looks like he could take on the Mexican Cartel single handed and the Russians have Polonium which should do the trick.

 

CEINOSTUV

1:25 AM ET

October 24, 2010

PR-blindness or Reverse Psychology

The only options here are that he's trying to ensure that legalization passes (for whatever reason) by tarring its already pretty idiotic foes with his association, or that he is so genuinely divorced from reality that he thinks a KGB pedigree appeals to American voters.

Hanlon's razor would suggest the latter.

 

PICOMANNING

2:25 AM ET

October 24, 2010

Pot laws and other troubles

America is sinking under the growing burden of tolerance that will prevail to destroy us unless we can man up to reverse our destruction.
Innocence is convinced to leave the door open at all times so that she may prove herself tolerant of whomever may need warmth and comfort.
To socally approve any previously unapproved practices (including homsexuality) suggests a wholesomenss to the unsavory convention where none ever existed before and where none exists still. We lack critical thinking skills and it's a disaster!
God help us!

 

ELBURRO

5:09 PM ET

October 24, 2010

God has nothing to do with it

Since God is mythical he won't be helping anybody.

The old saying God helps those who help themselves air a preachers cop out way of saying you better do it yourself cause if you're waiting for god you've got a long wait, like forever!

The priest at my church when I was a kid was drunk every night at the Elks club. the members used to take turns driven the drunken man of the lord home. Probably had a boy or two waiting for him. Yep good old religion, drunks, child molesters, crusades, terrorists, beheadings. I see what you love!

GOD HELP US!

 

MARIK7

11:45 PM ET

October 24, 2010

Adultery, etc.

Do you include adultery and divorce as behaviors now accepted, but once shunned?

 

RADGASH

10:36 AM ET

October 24, 2010

A good reason you are over there and I am over here

... we do not need Putin's Drug Czar to push his ultra right-wing opinions on us. He can just go back to drinking himself into his nightly stupor with his high-quality vodka and beat his wife and kids and keep his cauliflower nose out of our affairs.

 

14401

4:17 PM ET

October 24, 2010

Going to pot inCA

I wonder if he's been to CA ever. Almost everyone there is a (substitute your own word) head of some kind, as the press tells us.

 

ELBURRO

5:02 PM ET

October 24, 2010

Viktor Ivanov

Wants to make sure he gets his share of the Russian Drug Profits so he tries to bash the competition.
Viktor Ivanov - Sucks Ass!

 

LIBERTYJON

5:13 PM ET

October 24, 2010

Good Bidness and Losing Your Mind

Legalization is good for business if its true, free and open market. Its also a very good way to lose your mind. If God wanted a nation to separate a persons soul from their mind, you would market it to a nation's young.
Potheads will make very good slaves, wage-slaves and deadheads for the super-state masters to impose confiscatory tax schemes. One world currency and potheads will make one world slavery work well.
I always wondered why people, living off the state like the average college professor promotes mind-numbing drugs. They want all these potheads to work to pay for the retirement of AFSCME union slugs.
Legalize Pot, Drug the slaves.

 

MARIK7

11:42 PM ET

October 24, 2010

Missing evidence

I'd guess that you don't know enough potheads to draw the conclusion you've drawn. What is the size of your sample compared to the total number of "potheads," however you define them?

 

MITROKHINKGB

7:20 PM ET

October 24, 2010

Liberal Dribble

I totally with Mr. Ivanov on keeping pot illegal. I grew up in mostly black and hispanic nieghborhoods where many use that junk. It infuriates me how the liberals talk from their "holier than thou" thrones in the sky. They never experience the hell that THEY created for us. Always insisting that "whitey" is the cause of all problems, so the only escape to to smoke pot and leave it all to them. I have two family members who did time for both distributing and use of it. Both of them were saved by doing time in prison. It helped them change their attitude on both the use of it. They both agree that pot is not good for you. It makes you a weak person, vunerable to being taken for a ride that you would regret going on.

 

WAL MAN

8:33 PM ET

October 24, 2010

RE: Mitrokninkgb

I was gonna shut up but this one got me.

Most drugs have been illegal for 60 years.

The hell holes that our inner citys have become is BECAUSE of drugs being illegal. No nation, not ours, not any, has stopped, can stop these products from being distributed. The death and destruction is BECAUSE of the supply and demand princible. The Drug War has not slowed the supply or the demand for these products. Everybody who wants drugs in this country gets them. I see it being sold openly in the city and even where I buy gas in the burbs. Yes, it's poison. It's everything people say it is. I won't tell you they aren't bad or site some statistic saying they aren't harmful but don't try to tell me with a straight face that what we as a nation are doing to combat illegal drugs has done ANYTHING but make money for the Corrections Departments and the Undertakers. Drugs are everywhere around us. They were there yesterday and they are there today. You either don't want them and don't look for them or you do want them and you will find a person who will sell them to you. There's no "War" there. It's no contest. People are already driving on the highways drunk and high. How can legalizing drugs make it any worse? You're either arrested for dui or you aren't.

The point is that our resources are being wasted trying to stop something that can't be stopped: "People acting in their own self-interest." People want something and people will take the riskes to sell it to them. Same as with the booze, keeping drugs, and I mean all drugs, illegal only fuels the underground economy and keeps addicts from getting what they need, TREATMENT. There are no resources for treatment facilities but everything for more cops and more jails. An addict can't find a bed in a facility (usually a private facility $$) but there's a bed in the jail. How is that going to solve someone's addiction problem? How's that going to solve anything?

Legalizing drugs will defund our enforcement wing which is guzzling unbelievable amounts of money to shovel S...t against the tide. THEY don't want drugs legalized, that's for sure. Those resources would be put to better use in education and treatment. But legalization will also defund the murderous drug cartels and the terrorist organizations that gain their financing (and buy their weapons and political influence) from the sale of drugs. Dry that up and we win.

But on the other hand take a look at how we stand RIGHT NOW. Are we safer now? How are we going to reverse what has been going on for the last 35 years? The escalating violence, the ever increasing millions in illegal money funding chartels and shadowy organizations? What is going to change that? Are more cops and more jails the answer? Where will that money come from? Increase the fines? Bring in the the Military to fight on another front? Do what Mexico is doing and having troops literally fighting street to street with the Cartels? Is that working? Can you see bodies piling up of people caught in the crossfire on America's streets? If legalization isn't the anwer, what is the answer? Anybody?

And merely calling me a drug addict will only make you look foolish.

 

HURRICANEWARNING

9:08 PM ET

October 24, 2010

wow, drug stories really

wow, drug stories really produce alot of comments. Though I appreciate his opinion, this Drug czar is almost too much of a typical caricature of an ex-KGB Russian to be taken seriously. Blaming the U.S., using lots of veeery convenient numbers and "facts", and being a little too gruff to denote any real deep intelligence on the matter. from the article at least, he seems to be looking at the world through a made in the USSR straw.

 

MARIK7

11:40 PM ET

October 24, 2010

Stoned?

What a picture.

This guy is clearly on prescription pain killers but hasn't found the right dosage.

 

REDCHASER

8:42 AM ET

October 25, 2010

Big deal?

I would normally slam this guy until I thought, "what's the big deal?" Hey, I'm flattered that this former spy is concerned enough to make a trip here out of concern for our psychiatric well being.

This wouldn't have happened 30 years ago. Heck, they would have let us get stoned and invaded our sorry butts.

It's like the speed limit, raise it, lower it, raise it, see what impact it has. With all the pot being smuggled across the border and all the death it leaves in its wake, I hardly believe that legalizing pot is going to do nearly as much harm.

The poor chumps that are doing or have done time for a few plants and bag got to be thinking ... WTF?

I hope they got him laid in L.A. and shared a doobie with him before he went home.

 

BUNKHABIT

1:13 PM ET

October 25, 2010

Do you mind?

So, Ivanov the Terrible says "They say, 'What does God do when he wants to punish a person? He deprives him of his mind.'" Talk about a psychiatric deviation... There is NO psychiatric deviation that has caused more suffering than THE FIRST, the MOST PRIMITIVE, the MOST PATHETIC psychiatric deviation of the sort generated by fear/superstition-based metaphysics - the belief in ridiculous sky-gods and their punishment or reward in an afterlife, karma, etc. How can we be expected to take ANYONE who believes that nonsense seriously? We can not...

 

JKOLAK

1:31 PM ET

October 25, 2010

I think it's great he wants

I think it's great he wants to help California defeat drug use.

I'm surprised he said he wasn't familiar with the problem.

As a former KGB agent, I'd like to know what he thinks of the view back then that communists were using drugs, the sexual revolution, and peace movement as tools to defeat the US.

 

KCASSIDY

1:23 AM ET

October 26, 2010

Some of the comments here

Some of the comments here show how profound the ignorance is surrounding illegal drugs and especially in regards to cannabis. It demonstrates how the lack of education about drugs can lead people to believe something as patently illogical as linking the use of cannabis to becoming a "mindless slave" or being "a weak person". Would you say that using alcohol would do the same? Most likely not, since you at least know that there are many successful and accomplished people who drink. There are also drunks on the streets begging change and drunks on corporate boards. There are people who drink moderately at all stations of life. The same is true for cannabis smokers. Carl Sagan was mentioned by an earlier commenter as one, but we shouldn't forget Richard Branson (a strong advocate of legalization), Ted Turner, Michael Phelps, and even a trio of U.S. presidents who have had a few tokes. I am from the state that has a governor who used to smoke weed after intense iron pumping sessions to relax his muscles. I'll be watching another user pitch the first game of the World Series this week for the SF Giants.

The effects of cannabis are generally much milder than alcohol, which can and does kill thousands directly each year through overdose. You can overdose on vodka Viktor, but it is impossible to do so with marijuana. Furthermore, equating heroin with cannabis is ridiculous. Just as crazy as equating chewing coca leaves with freebasing cocaine. Or drinking coffee with methamphetamine. It is only through ignorance that such comparisons would be made. Which just shows the need for true education about the effects of drugs (the good, the bad and the ugly). Humans have used intoxicants since the dawn of time; we need to allow for that basic truth and not make criminals out of mere users. Law enforcement should be used to combat real threats, including those that will arise from the use and production of truly dangerous drugs such as heroin and methamphetamine. Treatment should be widely available because it is much cheaper and beneficial to society and the individual than our current alternative, which is prison.

 

THAT BLACK GUY

8:10 AM ET

October 26, 2010

Straightedge kids .02

Alright. So I've been drug free my entire life, Straightedge since i was 14. Im now 26 years old, yep still straightedge. And let me tell you what, pot is gotta be as natural as a bear taking a shit in the woods. A couple of friends of mine are habitual users of marijiana and the only harm they can do to anyone is to themselves. They dont drive when they are high, they just consume a bit extra when it comes to their food intake and even that is only in the initial stages of smoking. I remember when I first started hanging out with them ( i grew up with these kids mind you). They would get high and eat everything in sight. Now its more of a recreational thing for them. They never forced it on me, but they knew better than to even try and do something like that. Now alcohol on the other hand? which half of you people who are opposed to marijuana but probably drink like fish on the weekends or get wasted with your chronies; has killed several of my friends in the past decade. Never had any of my friends day from pot smoke. How many of you know people who have died because of alcohol related accidents though? Lets use our heads for a change. Thats all im saying.

 

JOES_FRON

12:13 PM ET

November 19, 2010

Do you mind

THEY don't want drugs legalized, tatil that's for sure. Those resources would be put to better use in education and treatment. But legalization will sinema also defund the murderous drug cartels and the terrorist organizations that gain their tutune son financing (and buy their weapons and political influence) from the dis beyazlatma sale of drugs