The End of the Charm Offensive

China's neighbors welcome a strong China, just not a dominant one -- and that's where the United States comes in.

BY JOHN LEE | OCTOBER 26, 2010

Later this week, U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton will visit Hanoi to attend the East Asian Summit, a five-year-old forum that brings together top officials from 16 East and Southeast Asian countries to discuss the future of the region. Clinton is a "special guest" in Hanoi, and her presence at the gathering reflects anticipation that the United States will be invited to join the summit as a permanent member in 2011. As with most diplomatic moves in Asia these days, that prospective invitation is as much about China as it is about the United States, and it speaks to a stark underlying reality for Asia's rising superpower: Beijing's vaunted statesmanship in the region is reaching the point of diminishing returns.

China has successfully convinced its neighbors that it is a legitimate and indispensable rising power in Asia, and that this is on balance a good thing. China was welcomed as a founding member of the ASEAN Regional Forum -- the first region-wide multilateral discussion of security issues in Asia -- in 1994, and this year joined with neighboring countries in launching a multilateral currency swap arrangement with a foreign exchange reserve pool worth $120 billion. But whether those countries want a dominant China is another matter entirely. The era of picking low-hanging diplomatic fruit is almost over. Beijing's neighbors are beginning to look for ways to hedge against China's rise and even help restrain Beijing's strategic options -- and that means that they're looking at the United States' presence in the region with new eyes.

China, in fact, understands this dynamic much better than its Western hemispheric rival; the reality of enduring American strengths and significant Chinese weaknesses is better appreciated in Beijing than in Washington. China knows that American power and influence in Asia is based on two things: its military and economic pre-eminence and Washington's unmatched several-decade record of underwriting peace and prosperity in the region. The vast majority of Asian states welcome the presence of the U.S. Seventh Fleet -- critical support, as America's forward deployments depend heavily on their acquiescence and cooperation.

China, by contrast, may be the loneliest rising power in recent history. Other countries in the region may look forward to the economic opportunities presented by China's rise, but Beijing has few genuine or reliable allies. It remains distrusted by almost every maritime power in the region. Domestically, even China's Premier Wen Jiabao recognizes that China is a potentially unstable combination of a strong and rich state ruling over a poor and weak country.

Beijing's lead in forging regional free trade agreements has helped enhance its economic clout. But for China to translate its economic growth and size into political leverage, it will have to become the dominant center of consumption in Asia. For now, in absolute terms, China's domestic consumption is roughly on par with France's. Chinese GDP growth is largely driven by domestically funded fixed investment that frequently offers little or no return -- think empty buildings and little-used highways -- and exports. About half of China's much-hyped trade within Asia is processing, assembling products destined for American and European markets.

Foreign companies benefit from the ease of setting up manufacturing and assembly plants in China, the country's cheap labor, and its undervalued yuan. But there is also resentment about the fact that millions of manufacturing jobs in the region have been lost to China; Indonesia has voiced concerns that the China-ASEAN Free Trade Agreement, activated in January, will devastate its garment and textiles industries. Until the appetites of Chinese consumers expand enough to create millions of jobs for regional workers, Beijing will find it difficult to extract political and strategic concessions from its neighbors.

Guang Niu/Pool/Getty Images

 

John Lee is a foreign policy fellow at the Centre for Independent Studies in Sydney, a visiting scholar at the Hudson Institute in Washington, and the author of Will China Fail?

FREETRADER

12:19 AM ET

October 27, 2010

Good article

Succinct discussion of the international challenges facing China, most of which are caused by their own diplomatic blundering and an overassessment of their strengths. The case for China being a 'lonely power' is particularly stark - China is essentially without allies, and those that it may count as friends - North Korea, Russia, the African dictatorships the PRC has been able to bribe - do them no credit and are of limited usefulness.

China may be the Prussia/Germany of the 21st Century, even Germany had allies. Hopefully the PRC will develop a more nuanced and less bellicose foreign policy but their public pronouncements don't as yet give much cause for hope.

 

VISION2030

10:46 AM ET

October 28, 2010

It looks like nations in Asia

It looks like nations in Asia will not form a coalition against China because they do not share the same overt protest and overt fears of Chinese rise as the Americans 8,000 miles away.

By 2020, China will be the largest trading partner of every nation in Asia.

Containment will not work against China, because every nation including Japan wants good ties with China because their domestic economic growth depends on China's meteoric rise amid a severe economic recession.

China's neighbors is at best trying to use America's insecurity regarding her decline as a means to balance and hedge against China's potential military adventurism.

The bottom line is that Asian nations do not know what a Superpower China will do? Will it be another imperialistic power (like the US wants her to be, at least perceive her to be, to justify US involvement in Asian affairs) etc....

Active containment strategy is out of the question and will not work against China.

 

MIPPLOR

12:33 PM ET

October 28, 2010

Monroe Doctrine

"core interest in these area" means PRC`s Monroe Doctrine .
and general MacArthurs can eventually rest in peace!

 

FREETRADER

6:30 AM ET

October 29, 2010

@Vision

I'm sorry, but there really isn't any response possible to your comment since you obviously have no idea what you are talking about. It is the Asian countries who are looking to the US for support, not the other way around. Try to get a little educated about a subject before posting next time, please.

 

MARTY MARTEL

5:57 AM ET

October 27, 2010

China beats US in economic power

John Lee has to know that mighty Chinese manufacturing machine can produce all the domestic needs of Chinese people in addition to massive exports to the world. So ‘increased consumption of foreign goods by Chinese people to balance the world trade’ is just a figment of imagination conjured up by Western analysts in the absence of any other alternative except to demolish WTO to contain China’s ever-rising exports and forex reserves.

Now coming back to John Lee’s ‘end of the charm offensive’, while US offers lip service to ‘collective security in Asia’, Defense Secretary Gates did declare at last Hanoi conference that ‘US will NOT take sides in regional territorial disputes’. Hence US will obviously preach the disputing nations to settle their claims peacefully as it did to Japan and China recently over the capture of a Chinese captain for hitting Japanese boats in disputed area.

US did NOT support Japan’s claim on those islands even though US had returned those islands to Japan in 1972 and even though Japan has owned those islands since 1892 before which NO country had claimed ownership of those islands.

There in lies the rub.

What happens if two disputing countries claim the same area and can not settle their claim? Since China was all riled up about Japanese action in disputed area, they could easily have gone to war over the same if Japan had not backed down. Poor Japanese government took a lot of flak on domestic front for backing down against Chinese bullying.

What would have happened if Japan had not backed down?

Would US have sided with Japan against China in case of a war? Would US risk Chinese nuclear retaliation on US homeland if it helped Japan counter Chinese attack?

Is US still militarily strong enough to take on China?

In this age of MAD (mutually assured destruction) thanks to nuclear weapons, economic power matters more than military power and China beats US hands down in that arena as Japan has started to realize and the rest of Asian countries will come to realize.

 

GARY_B

5:40 PM ET

October 27, 2010

No one knows

Though China likes to gloat over the decline of America, and American politicians seem to be trying hard to sink the economy ... the long term trends tell a different story. By 2050, China and most of Asia will be aging countries, the US will still be young due to much higher fertility (3x China) and due to continuing immigration. The working age population in the US will have increased by 42% by then and still growing. In China, the workforce will decrease 10% by then and be in rapid decline.

Moreover, China seems to be trying hard to make enemies of it's neighbors, particularly India which will have quite a bit higher population than China by then. In the same time, America will maintain it's close allies and become closer and closer to new ones such as India. Though in relative terms, America's military advantage will decline, it will still be quite far ahead at that time. Also, China is a racial power. Intelligent Indians, French, Japanese, Israelis cannot become Chinese and do not move there. They and intelligent Chinese will continue to be attracted to the US by the mix of all people there.

Just keep a little humble since the "decline" of America ... may not happen as planned.

 

FREETRADER

11:15 PM ET

October 27, 2010

@Marty

Sorry to be insulting but you don't seem to know a thing about economics, politics, or the military.

1.) China's industry, which subcontracts manufactred goods for the first world, is hardly a competitor for the US, let alone 'hands down' stongers. In fact, I have no idea how you come to that conclusion, except by reading too many uninformed media pieces.

2.) Japan hasn't backed down over the the Chinese provocation - they made their point, as did the US in supporting them. Yes, they took some flak for not letting the thing escalate into a real confrontation, but that would have been stupit, and it actually works, in the long run, to the advantage of the Japanese.

3.) While China has long-run ambitions, they are in no position to take on the US militarily, and probably never will be. Particularly, given that China has effectively no allies or real friends, whereas the US has Japan, South Korea, Taiwan, Malaysia, Singapore, Indonesia, Malaysia, Australia, New Zealand, and now Vietnam just in the South West Pacific area alone, China has managed to encircle itself much more effectively than Germany did prior to WWI.

It is China that is living with a 'Cold War Mentality', and they are their own worst enemies.

 

FREETRADER

11:17 PM ET

October 27, 2010

@Marty

Apologies for the multiple typos above - typing too fast today, I'm afraid.

 

BILL888

2:42 AM ET

October 28, 2010

MARTY MARTEL: ask the right questions

Actually the right question to ask is:

Will USA want to sacrifice 2 battle aircraft carriers fleet when Japan and China are fighting for their disputed territories?

If USA cannot stand loosing 4000 soldiers in Afghanistan, then why loose 20,000 people over other people's dispute.

 

VISION2030

10:35 AM ET

October 28, 2010

1) If Korea, Taiwan, and

1) If Korea, Taiwan, and Japan can become ultramodern, highly innovative, and technology advanced nations, I am pretty sure China can too. China is following in the model of the East Asian Developmental State (ie. Japan, Korea, Taiwan, Singapore, etc....) Can you imagine a China that is industrialized, developed, and as modern as Japan and even Korea? China would equal two (2) European Unions in population, market size, GDP, and geopolitical power and influence.
Americans think China is going to be perpetually manufacturing juggernaut for life. Given the meteoric rise of Japan, Korea, and Taiwan as advanced technological centers of high innovation, I'm pretty sure China is heading that direction too.

2) Chinese provocation? As a veteran watcher of the Diaoyutai-Senkaku dispute for the last 12 years, it was CLEARLY Japan that escalate the issue by persecuting Chinese fishermen under Japanese law.

Japan see's America's declining influence in the long term in Asian security sphere, over-extension in Middle East conflict, and a rising China threat as a security threat to Japan's national sovereignty. As a means to justify re-militarization in the future (I'm guessing Japan views US as unreliable in defense against China in the future), Japan escalated the Senkaku-disputes as a means to portray China as a boogeyman, and to soldify US committment to US-Japan security pact and to justify increase military expenditure.

China uses Japan as an easy punching bag for WW2 invasions and as a proxy for showing South East Asian nations what will happen if they continue to court US as a hedge against China's rise.

China's strategy I believe is pretty elegant, and in the long term, a show of force that US interference in China's regional disputes should not be tolerated, and any hedge or containment strategy against China will be met with economic force.

Honestly, as a veteran watcher of South China sea disputes and China-Japan islet disputes, the US is trying to create fear from China's rise, which solidifies American presence and creates a coalition of the willing to hedge China's rise.

America is scared, very scared of China's rise and losing her place as #1 in Asia.

 

VISION2030

10:56 AM ET

October 28, 2010

@ Gary

I can see China leapfrogging US in the field of energy security alone.

US can continue to chug alone her 100 year old oil-oriented infrastructure while China's dictatorship forces her nation to convert to renewable energy sources.

Can you imagine the pain, costs, and burden of reverting America's oil dependent infrastructure when proven oil reserves runs out in 80 years??

China as a developing nation with an authoritarian regime that can mobolize and execute massive investment projects is basically starting from scratch.

This alone will ensure China has a competitive edge over US.

 

FREETRADER

6:39 AM ET

October 29, 2010

@Vision

Veteran "China Watcher"? Are you kidding? Have you ever even been to China? Don't you realize the difficulty China is already having simply trying to grow its GDP from the current $4,000 per capita level? A per capita GDP of $30,000 or so is manifestly impossible for China. Also, to become a 'modern' state like ROK, Japan, or Singapore, you need something resembling the rule of law, which China simply will never have under its current government.

Also, if you don't think the the US would intervene to stop an invasion of Japan, Korea, Taiwan, etc., you are simply a fool who knows nothing about history or the region. It is ensure that the US would intervene in the case of a Chinese move that all the other nations of Asia insist on the US presence.

The risk is not China strengthening, but China's increasingly obvious political, economic, and cultural weaknesses and the government's increasingly frantic attempts to stoke nationalism when things go bad.

 

PUBLICUS

7:38 AM ET

November 1, 2010

A paper dragon in economy, a paper tiger militarily

We have nothing to fear from the PRC/CCP except unwaivering authoritarianism and dictatorship

I provide the following comparative analysis in respect to the United States and the PRCC/CCP, presented to CNN by Dr. Joseph Nye of Harvard, who created the term "soft power."

(Joseph S. Nye is University Distinguished Service Professor at Harvard University, and author of the "The Future of Power," which PublicAffairs press will publish in February. In 1993 and 1994 he was chairman of the National Intelligence Council, which coordinates intelligence estimates for the president. In 1994 and 1995, he served as assistant secretary of defense for international security affairs.)

Cambridge, Massachusetts (CNN) -- A century ago, the rise of Germany and the fear it created in Britain led to world war. Some analysts predict a similar fate from the rise of China and the fear that is creating in the United States.

One should be skeptical about such dire projections. By 1900, Germany had surpassed Britain in industrial power, and Kaiser Wilhelm II was pursuing an adventurous, globally oriented foreign policy that was bound to bring about a clash with other great powers.

In contrast, China still lags far behind the United States economically and militarily, and has focused its policies primarily on its region and on its economic development. While its "market Leninist" economic model (the so-called "Beijing Consensus") provides soft power in authoritarian countries, it has the opposite effect in many democracies. Soft power is the ability to produce preferred outcomes by attraction rather than coercion or payment, and China has announced major efforts to increase its soft power.

Even if China's gross domestic product passes that of the United States around 2030 (as Goldman Sachs projects), the two economies would be equivalent in size, but not equal in composition. China would still have a vast underdeveloped countryside, and it will begin to face demographic problems from the delayed effects of the one child per couple policy it enforced in the 20th century. Moreover, as countries develop, there is a tendency for growth rates to slow.

Assuming a 6 percent Chinese growth and only 2 percent American growth after 2030, China would not equal the United States in per capita income until sometime in the second half of the century. China is a long way from posing the kind of challenge to America that the kaiser's Germany posed when it passed Britain at the beginning of the last century.

China still lags far behind the United States economically and militarily, and has focused its policies primarily on its region.

Unlike India, which was born with a democratic constitution, China has not yet found a way to solve the problem of demands for political participation (if not democracy) that tend to accompany rising per capita income.

The ideology of communism is long gone, and the legitimacy of the ruling party depends upon economic growth and ethnic Han nationalism. Premier Wen Jiabao talks of reform but faces conservative resistance. The Chinese political system suffers from a high level of corruption, and should the economy falter, it is vulnerable to political unrest.

Whether China can develop a formula that can manage an expanding urban middle class, regional inequality, and resentment among ethnic minorities remains to be seen. Xi Jinping has been anointed the likely next leader (in 2012), but not even he knows how China's political future will evolve.

The current generation of Chinese leaders, realizing that rapid economic growth is the key to domestic political stability, has focused on economic development and what they call a "harmonious" international environment that will not disrupt their country's growth. But generations change, power often creates hubris, and appetites sometimes grow with eating.

Already, some younger party members and military men argue that China's success in recovery from the global financial crisis should lead to a greater political role. And the United States objected last summer when China defined its "core interests" as including the distant waters of the South China Sea.

Whatever Chinese intentions are, it is doubtful that China will have the military capability to expel the United States from East Asia. The region has its own internal balance of powers, and in that context, many states welcome an American presence in the region. Chinese leaders will have to contend with the reactions of other countries as well as the constraints created by their own objectives of economic growth and the need for external markets and resources.

Too aggressive a Chinese military posture could produce a countervailing coalition among its neighbors that would weaken both its hard and soft power. China's recent overreaction to a maritime collision near the disputed Senkaku islands led to a hardening of attitudes in Japan. A recent Pew poll of 16 countries around the world found a positive attitude towards China's economic rise, but not its military rise.

The fact that China is not likely to become a peer competitor to the United States on a global basis does not mean that the dangers of conflict in Asia can be completely ruled out. But given the global challenges such as financial stability, cybersecurity, and climate change that both China and the United States will face, they have much to gain from working together.

Unfortunately, hubris and nationalism among some Chinese and unnecessary fear of decline among some Americans make it difficult to assure this future.

(The opinions expressed in this commentary are solely those of Joseph S. Nye.)

 

PUBLICUS

7:38 AM ET

November 1, 2010

A paper dragon in economy, a paper tiger militarily

We have nothing to fear from the PRC/CCP except unwaivering authoritarianism and dictatorship

I provide the following comparative analysis in respect to the United States and the PRCC/CCP, presented to CNN by Dr. Joseph Nye of Harvard, who created the term "soft power."

(Joseph S. Nye is University Distinguished Service Professor at Harvard University, and author of the "The Future of Power," which PublicAffairs press will publish in February. In 1993 and 1994 he was chairman of the National Intelligence Council, which coordinates intelligence estimates for the president. In 1994 and 1995, he served as assistant secretary of defense for international security affairs.)

Cambridge, Massachusetts (CNN) -- A century ago, the rise of Germany and the fear it created in Britain led to world war. Some analysts predict a similar fate from the rise of China and the fear that is creating in the United States.

One should be skeptical about such dire projections. By 1900, Germany had surpassed Britain in industrial power, and Kaiser Wilhelm II was pursuing an adventurous, globally oriented foreign policy that was bound to bring about a clash with other great powers.

In contrast, China still lags far behind the United States economically and militarily, and has focused its policies primarily on its region and on its economic development. While its "market Leninist" economic model (the so-called "Beijing Consensus") provides soft power in authoritarian countries, it has the opposite effect in many democracies. Soft power is the ability to produce preferred outcomes by attraction rather than coercion or payment, and China has announced major efforts to increase its soft power.

Even if China's gross domestic product passes that of the United States around 2030 (as Goldman Sachs projects), the two economies would be equivalent in size, but not equal in composition. China would still have a vast underdeveloped countryside, and it will begin to face demographic problems from the delayed effects of the one child per couple policy it enforced in the 20th century. Moreover, as countries develop, there is a tendency for growth rates to slow.

Assuming a 6 percent Chinese growth and only 2 percent American growth after 2030, China would not equal the United States in per capita income until sometime in the second half of the century. China is a long way from posing the kind of challenge to America that the kaiser's Germany posed when it passed Britain at the beginning of the last century.

China still lags far behind the United States economically and militarily, and has focused its policies primarily on its region.

Unlike India, which was born with a democratic constitution, China has not yet found a way to solve the problem of demands for political participation (if not democracy) that tend to accompany rising per capita income.

The ideology of communism is long gone, and the legitimacy of the ruling party depends upon economic growth and ethnic Han nationalism. Premier Wen Jiabao talks of reform but faces conservative resistance. The Chinese political system suffers from a high level of corruption, and should the economy falter, it is vulnerable to political unrest.

Whether China can develop a formula that can manage an expanding urban middle class, regional inequality, and resentment among ethnic minorities remains to be seen. Xi Jinping has been anointed the likely next leader (in 2012), but not even he knows how China's political future will evolve.

The current generation of Chinese leaders, realizing that rapid economic growth is the key to domestic political stability, has focused on economic development and what they call a "harmonious" international environment that will not disrupt their country's growth. But generations change, power often creates hubris, and appetites sometimes grow with eating.

Already, some younger party members and military men argue that China's success in recovery from the global financial crisis should lead to a greater political role. And the United States objected last summer when China defined its "core interests" as including the distant waters of the South China Sea.

Whatever Chinese intentions are, it is doubtful that China will have the military capability to expel the United States from East Asia. The region has its own internal balance of powers, and in that context, many states welcome an American presence in the region. Chinese leaders will have to contend with the reactions of other countries as well as the constraints created by their own objectives of economic growth and the need for external markets and resources.

Too aggressive a Chinese military posture could produce a countervailing coalition among its neighbors that would weaken both its hard and soft power. China's recent overreaction to a maritime collision near the disputed Senkaku islands led to a hardening of attitudes in Japan. A recent Pew poll of 16 countries around the world found a positive attitude towards China's economic rise, but not its military rise.

The fact that China is not likely to become a peer competitor to the United States on a global basis does not mean that the dangers of conflict in Asia can be completely ruled out. But given the global challenges such as financial stability, cybersecurity, and climate change that both China and the United States will face, they have much to gain from working together.

Unfortunately, hubris and nationalism among some Chinese and unnecessary fear of decline among some Americans make it difficult to assure this future.

(The opinions expressed in this commentary are solely those of Joseph S. Nye.)

 

PUBLICUS

12:47 PM ET

November 1, 2010

Gen Chi, BILL888, Marty Martel

You two sound like Gen Chi Haotian of the PRC 'Liberation' army who wrote in June 2009, "War is not far from us and is the midwife of the Chinese century."

It's no secret whatsoever the PRC/CCP is trying to develop a missile that is capable of striking a moving aircraft carrier. It's been the wet dream of the fascists in Beijing to sink a US aircraft carrier ever since 1996, when two US Navy aircraft carrier battle groups (24 warships) were dispatched to the Taiwan Strait to force the PRC to stop firing missiles round the clock (for seven days until the carrier battle groups arrived) during the leadup to the election on Taiwan that produced Chen Shui Bian as president, a result which was the direct opposite of Beijing's delusionary orders to the voters of Taiwan.

As the piece I published to this page written by Dr. Joseph Nye clearly states, the PRC is well behind the United States both in economics and in military capability. The proportionally small PRC middle class don't yet have clothes drying machines much less the capability to challenge the US in either economics or militarily. The PRC recently completed its first all Chinese technology and design commercial passenger airliner, with all of 29 passenger seats in it, which hardly is a sign of a superior quality of economy or self generated Chinese technology.

The aircraft of the POTUS Air Force One has defensive technologies that can get into the guidance system of each of, say, 1000 missiles fired at it to turn around instantaneously and simultaneously each and every missile to return it to its point of origin. And you think the PRC is going to develop a missile that can sink a US Navy aircraft carrier?!?

You PRC/CCP people make Dr. Strangelove look and seem sane.

Get real.

 

BILL888

2:24 AM ET

November 2, 2010

Marty Martel: how should China balance USA trade deficit

China has cheap labour, that is the theme for its labour intensive economy. China already had said it is willing to cooperate to reduce USA trade deficit. However, what is China expected to buy from USA? China asked to buy super speed computer many years ago, but USA refused to sell to China and if they did sell, it was comparatively low speed. So China had to build its own super computer and it took many years. China likes to buy high tech military equipment, but USA and EU continue to have the selling of military weapon embargo in place since 20 years ago. So China had to develop its own jet aircrafts and modern ships. China cannot buy any reasonably high tech equipment from USA before it is stopped by congress/senate claiming the endangering of national security. What does the USA wish China to buy in order to offset trade deficit imbalance? China had already bought a lot of Boeing airplanes for its domestic aviation industries. What else does USA want China to buy? Does USA want China to buy 800 million pairs of cheap jeans and shirts from USA? When it comes to rare earth elements purchases, USA actually pushed China to sell more and USA does not complain it will make more trade deficit with China. In order to offset the trade deficit, I suggest USA should sell its F22 predators to China before China finish its own 5th generation planes before 2020 years.

Your claim of Japan owns the Diaoyidao since 1892 is partially correct since Japan annexed Taiwan at then. However, Qing Dyanasty always own those islands and administered by Taiwan province at then. Also, Okinawa was part of the Qing Dynasty's surzerainty. People in Okinawa at then did not speak Japanese. So China had claimed the Diaoyudao much longer than Japan. It had always been that Qing dynasty always refused to sign those islands away.

It is fortunate that the Chinese governments had put a lid on the anti-Japanese feelings in the population. Personally I know many old Chinese folks who had run away from home when the Japanese invaded, it take a penny for them to go to war with the Japanese.

 

PUBLICUS

1:24 PM ET

November 14, 2010

@ Marty Martel

Last week the PRC/CCP minister of commerce held a rare press conference to say that QE2 in the US is an "attack on China." (He of course really means the CCP which, as you well know, US corporations and government have been propping up for three decades.)

QE2 will reduce the value of the PRC's USD$ reserve holdings significantly, likely by $1 trillion. Still, the PRC's USD$ forex reserve holdings could be reduced by even more, depending on how long QE2 takes to work its way through the US economy and, principally, the financial system.

You and others continually like to claim that the PRC/CCP is the banker of the United States. Well, there's nothing like screwing your banker! Is there?!?

Who among us doesn't enjoy screwing his banker?!?

One way or the other it wasn't ever going to be otherwise.

 

IKARA

6:29 AM ET

October 27, 2010

RE: Marty Martel

Funny comment by Marty Martel which pretty much shows why other asian countries fret about China's intention.

The mighty export machine is not really a problem for western countries, it is long gone the time that the West could produce cheap labout intensive products. Those, as pointed in the article who will suffer the most, are the other developing countries that will have to compete with China, Korea and Japan for the European and American markets!

This commercial competition explains why the chinese central government keeps a low profile by saying that they will indeed try to boost domestic consumption... and I must say that if I were Asian a comment like yours would really frighten me and push me even closer to the arms of the Americans! So while I can understand how excited you are about the rise of your country you should not boast too much about it since it could create you fresh ennemies among the developing countries of Asia!

Your last paragraphe is pure bullsh*** and based on nothing mesurable and as your rightly pointed out, even though China surpasses America commercially, it is long gone the time that a stronger power (let's say China in 50... to make you happy) can unilaterally bully it's neighbourgs! Don't forget in addition that many of your neighbours have the knowledge to build an atomic bomb (I can count at least 3 around your country... and yes I count Taiwan among them)!
So your rethoric is useless, and until Chinese people understand that this quest for power will lead nowhere for the exact reason you pointed out (MAD) I am clearly worried about the future of world peace.

 

PUBLICUS

2:26 PM ET

November 1, 2010

@VISION2030

Your 2030 sore eyesight needs correcting.

You state above: "If Korea, Taiwan, and Japan can become ultramodern, highly innovative, and technology advanced nations, I am pretty sure China can too. China is following in the model of the East Asian Developmental State (ie. Japan, Korea, Taiwan, Singapore, etc....) Can you imagine a China that is industrialized, developed, and as modern as Japan and even Korea? China would equal two (2) European Unions in population, market size, GDP, and geopolitical power and influence.
"Americans think China is going to be perpetually manufacturing juggernaut for life. Given the meteoric rise of Japan, Korea, and Taiwan as advanced technological centers of high innovation, I'm pretty sure China is heading that direction too."

Grow up.

Get real.

The PRC/CCP follows no such model as that of South Korea, Taiwan, Japan, Singapore (or even Thailand or Vietnam among other states) in becoming "ultramodern, highly innovative and technologly [sic] advanced nations". The PRC/CCP follows no model nor does the PRC fit any model of any country of the world in ANY respect.

Singapore for instance has a population of 4 million, which is the average population of one PRC small big city and, moreover, Singapore is a democracy (albeit a family run democracy). S Korea, Japan, Taiwan are democracies whose economies, societies and cultures also developed long term under the umbrella or influence of the United States. Democracies are vibrant places intellectually, culturally, in social mobility, in political and personal freedoms, in creativity of all kinds to include popular culture.

The censoring and controlling PRC/CCP is an exactly and precisely opposite place to each and every East Asia country you identify. Indeed the PRC/CCP is barren of any new culture (music and other creative arts) and desolate of any new ideas of sociocultural development. Many of Its cities have a lot of public parks but that's about it as to recreation, cultural creativity or leisure activities - which leaves the PRC sorely lacking in the personal human development requisite to economic and technological creativity. Each of the countries you mention, save Singapore, have a vibrant popular culture that is devoured by the populations of East Asia, especially in respect to Japanese arts and culture. Taiwanese are among the more popular musicians and artists on the mainland and, of course, are discouraged by Beijing.

Indeed, the PRC/CCP is off on its own. It follows no model. The PRC/CCP accepts no model and is a model to no one, not even to North Korea.

Suspended betwixt and between, the PRC is flailing away trying to figure out what it itself means by "market socialism" or "market Leninism." In fact the PRC/CCP is not a model at all, not even to itself. If anything, Beijing is controlling and directing an economy and society in the same and similar manner and style of previous totalitarian and authoritarian states, such as Hitler's Germany, Stalin's USSR, Castro's Cuba, Gadhafi's idiosyncratic Green Books of how to live life by the model of Gadhafi's Lybia, and of other failed dictatorships. Even the Vietnam of Ho Chi Minh has had to give it up as a socialist centrally controlled political economy.

The PRC/CCP cannot dare to make the radically needed changes to its ancient and decrepit education system for fear of enabling and empowering a dangerously creative and self thinking population. Beijing cannot make 1 400 000 000 Chinese middle class because the resources are not available whether they be natural, capital or human. Beijing cannot change its corrupt and dictating political system because the CCP is too deeply vested in controlling the economy, the political system, and in organizing and benefiting from the rampant corruption that is inherent and endemic to it.

Western governments and corporations know that the current system and structure of the PRC/CCP political economy is peaking, which means the PRC cannot advance much further beyond its present development under the heavy burden of its fearful censoring government, its state corporate economy and its absolute control of massive and extensive corruption. Indeed, once the enterprising entrepreneurs of the PRC make their fortunes many migrate to Western countries to protect themselves, their wealth and their families.

Consequently, the only model the PRC/CCP is establishing is one of arresting, prosecuting and imprisoning (Putin style) those who have created wealth. As in Putin's Russia, the CCP of Beijing deeply fears that the nuoveau riche enterprisers will themselves become a powerful alternative grouping who would be well positioned to challenge Beijing's hold on power and its control over new (and all) wealth and endemic corruption. There's your true model in the PRC/CCP China.

 

ALECONNER

10:42 PM ET

November 1, 2010

At the lower end of the Chinese socio economic ladder

For those who are interested in gaining some insight into the lives of those Chinese people who've been left behind, check out:

http://www.thefaceofchina.com/?p=16

The country doesn't just have migrant workers, it has migrant beggars.

 

BILL888

11:25 PM ET

November 1, 2010

thefaceofchina.com/?p=16: Picture is not in China

With closer look in the above Web page, it does not look like pictures taken in China. It must be somewhere in Vancouver, San Franscisco, or Toronto, because the Asian people dress quite neat and it has 7-11 Store. China should not be that modern looking.

 

ROMMANTIC_ANDREY

5:47 PM ET

November 19, 2010

At the lower end of the Chinese

Taiwan, and Japan can become tatil ultramodern, highly innovative, sinema and technology advanced nations, I am pretty sure China can too. Beijing's iizle hold on power and its control over new (and all) wealth and gazeteler endemic corruption