The Tea Party, Exported

How do you explain Christine O'Donnell to the French?

BY KATE ZERNIKE | OCTOBER 26, 2010

But polls show that around 20 percent of Americans identify with the Tea Party movement -- even if only a much smaller percentage have actually attended a Tea Party rally or meeting. It has become as much a state of mind as a movement; people who have never been to a meeting or a rally now complain about out-of-control spending and government being too much in our lives.

This is not just true in off-the-grid Idaho or the Deep South; it's in supposedly liberal havens like New Jersey and Massachusetts. And most Tea Party supporters -- and their candidates -- do not spend a lot of time crusading against masturbation or dressing up as Joseph Goebbels.

But nor is the Tea Party as simple as the explanation offered to reporters by Mark Skoda, the barrel-chested, radio-voiced technology entrepreneur who served as the spokesman for the National Tea Party Convention in Nashville in February. "It's a way in which people are organizing, channeling their frustration about how the government's not listening," Skoda told a phalanx of foreign journalists who had arrived to cover the convention. "Elsewhere, people can't agitate for change. We're doing it peacefully, without bullets, without insults. We are taking our government back."

The foreign press took this largely at face value; Fabienne Sintes, a journalist with Radio-France, told me that while previously, she had trouble selling her editors on stories that described U.S. opposition to Obama, by the time the Tea Party convention gathered, the conventional wisdom had shifted.

"Before I had to adjust them, saying he is not walking on water," she told me. "Now I have to say, well, he's not dead yet."

It is true that the Tea Party movement started with frustration -- among conservatives who were out of power, and among people concerned about the growing national debt, the cratering of the economy, and the government's intervention to try to save it.

Liberals have appropriately asked why it did not start with President Bush, who turned the surplus into a deficit, not least by starting two wars. But the Tea Party supporters are mostly Republicans, and conservative ones, at that. When a president goes to war, they are inclined to support him. There is a libertarian core to the Tea Party that agrees with Ron Paul, the quirky congressman from Texas, about the need to reduce the United States' military presence around the world. But for the most part, this is a Support Our Troops crowd. They cheer Ron Paul when he talks about auditing the Federal Reserve and cutting spending, but he was booed at a Tax Day rally on April 15 when he began talking about the need to get our troops out of Korea and Japan.

Tea Partiers say they want to focus on economic conservatism, meaning that they don't spend a lot of time talking about other topics -- foreign policy, or social issues like gay marriage and abortion. But they do tend to define themselves as social conservatives, so it has been hard to completely ignore talk of faith or social issues. And while some Tea Party groups do not want to talk about immigration -- believing it too divisive -- for others it is a defining issue.

Still, the Tea Party is not as consumed with moral issues as France's Front National. Nor is its unifying mission the rabid Islamophobia of the English Defense League, as a recent BBC report suggested. And the Tea Party certainly does not resemble the current mass protests in France -- the Tea Partiers would align themselves with Sarkozy and David Cameron on cutting spending (if they bothered to think about policy beyond America's shores), just as they are with Chris Christie, the governor of New Jersey, as he takes on the teachers' unions. That said, Christie and Sarkozy, stylistically, have about as much in common as Marshmallow Fluff and aioli.

For as the United States has moved closer to a European model on health insurance, "Europe" has become a dirty word. ("Next thing you know they'll force us all to drive little European cars," one man in Grand Rapids, Michigan, told me, and you can bet he was thinking Yugo, not Porsche.) At rallies against health care, Tea Partiers held up the example of Greece to illustrate how a European welfare system would bankrupt the United States.

As the Tea Party looks likely to establish a sizeable presence in Congress, it will apply more pressure to cut spending -- including on Social Security and Medicare -- and to act on Republican promises to try to repeal the health-care legislation passed earlier this year.

None of this translates into Obama's downfall -- at least not yet. If anything, having an opposition to blame might help his campaign for re-election two years hence. Nor does the Tea Party movement necessarily signal the ascendancy of Sarah Palin -- another object of foreign fascination. Polls and focus groups show that many Tea Partiers are just like other Americans in this regard: They do not think her qualified to be president.

What the foreign press needs to understand is that the Tea Party movement is best understood as a conservative insurgency in a country that produces them in regular cycles. There are echoes of the Tea Party in the anti-tax protests of the 1970s and 80s, and in the Goldwater movement of the early 1960s. But that does not mean anyone -- foreign or otherwise -- can ignore it. The Tea Party may not have the numbers to take over the country, but it is not going away anytime soon.

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Kate Zernike is a national correspondent for the New York Times and the author of Boiling Mad: Inside Tea Party America.

CASSANDRAAA

9:05 PM ET

October 26, 2010

I think the US militarism is

I think the US militarism is not explained by Support Our Troops sentiments, but more by the large number of Americans who really enjoy having the US as the world's belligerent bully. International law and the suffering of other people doesn't matter in this imperialistic view.

And the fact that this is working against the interests of the average American, to enrich a relative handful of corporations and individuals, is utterly lost on the war supporters as long as they are emotionally manipulated.

We have become the world of "1984", with continuous warfare and omnipresent government spying -- we can even compare Fox News agitators to the Two Minutes Hate of that novel.

 

AUSTRALIANREADER

11:02 PM ET

October 26, 2010

As a foreigner

For me, I find their constant talks of cutting spending and slashing budgets annoying, as they never seem to actually say what significant cuts will be made. They just seem really misinformed or wilfully ignorant.

I try and study American politics quite closely, so maybe I missed it, but I have never seen any Tea Partier say they want to cut Medicare or Social Security. Nor, as you pointed out, do they want to slash defence spending.

I really don't understand it myself, but alright, whatever helps them sleep at night.

 

DIMITRIOS

3:55 AM ET

October 27, 2010

To further illustrate that

To further illustrate that ignorance or misinformation Greece didn't went bankrupt because of the welfare system which is btw the least developed in euro zone. The reasons are many and the spending on the welfare system is just one of those.
Also the majority of Greeks are not against state spending or welfare system. On the contrary we are against spending for the few and then send the bill to the many. Of course i can't expect from a Tea Party member to know the ins and outs of greek policy, most of them probably don't know or care where Greece is, but when someone uses an example is good to have the facts right.
Thank you

 

MISTYKNIGHT

8:30 AM ET

October 28, 2010

They do want to cut Medicare,

They do want to cut Medicare, and some what Social Security to be cut as well. But you can't touch their taxes or military!!! Tax cuts and the defense is want got us into this huge deficit. Tea Baggers are really dumb.

 

MIKEWINDDALE

9:45 AM ET

October 28, 2010

Replies

DIMITRIOS: It's not just welfare. Greece, for example, was one of the worst places for small businesses. Welfare is one component of the problem, but the larger problem is one of taxation and regulation.

When you tax people, they have less money to spend on their desires, and the resulting opportunity cost harms the economy.

When you regulate, you firstly sap much of the money and effort which the companies could have invested in. Instead of hiring scientists and engineers and the like, they must instead hire lawyers and lobbyists. Instead of just producing the goods they would like to, they must instead make sure it meets the standards of a myriad of regulations, jacking up costs. Secondly, regulation makes companies afraid to invest their money and innovate, because they never know what the government is going to do next. You become afraid to do anything too long term, because if you start investing something which will not bear fruit for another decade, you'll be afraid that in another decade, another government administration will come along and pass legislation banning or regulating what you've just spent a decade working on. Instead, you plan only a year or so in advance, focusing on short-term returns which will bear fruit before the next round of regulation rears itself. This is disastrous for economic growth.

MISTYKNIGHT said, "Tax cuts and the defense is want got us into this huge deficit. "

Indeed, the libertarian half of the Tea Party is against America's imperialistic overseas adventures. They take their example from William Bradford, who refused to side with Cromwell's English Civil War, even though Bradford and Cromwell were both Puritans. Bradford felt that nevertheless, it was not right to get involved in another country's affairs.

As for tax cuts, tax cuts would improve the economy, resulting in greater wealth. Furthermore, if you cut spending, you don't need the money produced by taxes. No spending, no taxes.

 

DIRECTHEX

12:54 PM ET

October 28, 2010

Somalia

Mikewindale - Somalia has no taxes, no regulation and no government spending. Haven for entrepreneurial businessmen last time I hear.

Then there's resource rich places like Saudi that do low taxes and massive government spending - mainly becuase they live on a great big well of oil.

Even David Cameron' with 81BN Pounds out of the UK economy will only roll back the state to 1999 levels.

 

5JIMBOB

7:29 AM ET

October 29, 2010

Greece and business

Mike,
Greece is a great place to do business. Just keep it on a strictly cash basis and operate out of the back of a truck. I wondered why everybody in Greece seems to hate his neighbor. Talk to a few folks and you realize that everybody cheats on everything and everybody thinks the other guy should stop.

 

LTPAR

9:40 AM ET

October 29, 2010

Get A Job

Misty, the Tea Party folks are far from being dumb. They are the men and women across the country who get up every day, go to their jobs, work hard, don't live beyond their means, pay their bills on time, save a few bucks for retirement and who want less government in their lives, not more like we are currently experiencing. They are sick and tired of having their hard earned money taken by force and used to fund programs for those who refuse to work. We currently have 47% of the people in this country who pay no income tax. This means that the remaining 53% of us, are footing the bills for those who pay no tax. That is just plain wrong any way you slice the bread. Add to that Obama's stated intent to redistribute the wealth of those of us who have a little left and it becomes the source of much anger, frustration and debate. We are not talking about very wealthy people here, just the average citizen. These, Misty are the dumb Tea Party people you refer to. Misty, my suggestion to you is before you criticize us, try getting a job, work on your education so you can write intelligently, pay taxes for a while and then you will have earned the right to complain about the things in society you don't like. Until then, give it a rest.

 

DIRECTHEX

11:01 AM ET

October 29, 2010

So where were they when 1tn dollars was being redistributed?

What happened to these people when the US was engaged in two wars that lead to a trillion dollar defence budget? Seriously? Why is alright for the Govt. to redistribute wealth to the like of Haliburton and Boeing , but woe-be-tide anyone wanting any help healthcare.

Why did this happen with an African-American President. Where were this lot when they had George Bush - who is the son of the Elite, went to an Eltist institution and spent most of his time in power making sure Elite institutions like the aforementioned Haliburton or Goldman Sachs were busy redistributing tax-payers dollars into their own pockets.

Your argument is irrational and silly, not to mention condescended.

 

UGLYAMERICAN

12:05 PM ET

October 29, 2010

As an American...

I too, find the talk of cutting spending annoying as it is indeed never done in any meaningful amount. This is not unique to Tea Party candidates. Look for Senator Paul Ryan's plan for getting government spending in line. Its a fairly complete, specific, and coherent plan.

As an inadvertent tea party member, I have long been frustrated by the incredible largess of the government, but especially that of the last two administrations. The tea party has been around for quite a while. It's not Obama per se that caused this backlash to finally coalesce into a recognizable movement, but rather the recession caused by reckless monetary policy and unenforced financial regulation that helped drive home to Joe and Jane Sixpack just how corrosive government interference really is.

The amount of waste and abuse in (the U.S.) government is staggering. I am a realist in that *all* government budgets need to be cut, even though I personally, will be adversely affected. I am in full support of cutting Defense, Medicare, and Social Security spending. I assure you I am not alone on this point. Many friends realize that there must be some pain. A diet is rarely fun at the time, but nobody is ever angry about how they look in the mirror at the end of one.

Welfare programs and interest on the national debt comprise about 80% of the US budget. The rest of governmental functions are paid for by the remaining 20%.

I'm no fan of Obama, Bush Jr., Clinton, or Bush Sr. They all allowed Congress to spend too much. Playing shell games with budgeting is why the real cost of social welfare programs are deferred until the Ponzi scheme can no longer be obscured. This also is not unique to the United States.

 

MYK007

2:08 AM ET

October 27, 2010

It is interested how

It is interested how Americans are irked at the rest of the world being judgemental and quick to jump to conclusions while they have been doing(are still doing) the same about every God damn country and religion (most recently Islam) that does not fit into their description of the World.

 

MYK007

2:09 AM ET

October 27, 2010

I meant "interesting"

I meant "interesting"

 

KMDYSON

1:18 PM ET

October 28, 2010

Yes

it is fairly typical of the 'godly' state to force their way upon everyone else...the hegemony uses their socio-economic, political, military, and religious values to subjugate anyone who obstructs their divine right to rule the world...this type of behaviour is very unpleasant indeed...

 

5JIMBOB

7:33 AM ET

October 29, 2010

Interesting - Not

What you describe is pretty universal human nature. If Americans have a fault it's a desperate desire to be liked. Which is of course the one thing Europeans like best about Americans. It's like teasing your kid brother in the back seat of the car

 

KINGFELIX

7:32 AM ET

October 27, 2010

Two points

1) "Liberals have appropriately asked why it did not start with President Bush"

The best explanation of the Tea Party movement is that they are being used to crush what remains of the pillars of liberalism (ie: not much) in the US.

This destruction took place under Clinton, where he basically sold out the liberal support to big business. People are right that all liberals running for office/in office, are basically hypocrites. They can't genuinely represent their support because they are beholden to the same interests as Republicans.

Tea Party is a right-wing movement that there is no effective liberal counter to, it will tear apart the carcass of what remains of the Democratic Party (that does not mean it will destroy the left, but the left itself has nowhere to go now, witness the dismay of the progressive bloc re: the presidency of Obama).

Without Clinton's dismal sellout, the liberals would still have a reason to exist, but they simply don't. In the UK, Tony Blair led a similar process, so there are now three main parties with basically identical corporate sponsors and identical assumptions regarding economic policy, foreign policy, etc.

The Tea Party's economic view is both contradictory, as they supprt 'small government' but permanent war, and, in the case of middle-class Tea Party supporters, will abolish what little security they still enjoy.

2) "For as the United States has moved closer to a European model on health insurance,"

Factually false, the Obamacare bill did no such thing. The moment the bill was passed, stock in the healtchare corporations jumped massively, not the result that a move towards a European model would generate. It was a huge sop to the healthcare industry, end of.

 

FPPOPS

1:16 PM ET

October 27, 2010

People want the U.S. to be

People want the U.S. to be [like] Obama: He's not overly patriotic, he's not talking about his Christian faith all the time, he talks about science." The Tea Party, on the other hand, "is the U.S. we don't want the U.S. to be," Alling said.
Very very well said

 

MIKEWINDDALE

9:36 AM ET

October 28, 2010

In other words...

In other words, Europe wants America to be a much of pathological-narcissist socialists.

 

MIKEWINDDALE

9:36 AM ET

October 28, 2010

sic

*bunch of

 

DIRECTHEX

1:04 PM ET

October 28, 2010

Well..

Actually we would like to know that the world's largest nuclear power won't have a bunch of illiterates morons running it.

I mean the Neo-cons were mad - but not as markedly idiotic as this lot. It's a rational worry considering the amount of weaponised fissile material you all seem to be sitting on.

As for our narcissistic-sociallsm. If it means we don't have people millions being bankrupted becuase they can't afford healthcare then we can live with that.

Oh. and you think Obama is a "Socialist" you're ignorant of political history, the meaning of socialism and where the US political spectrum crosses the rest of the world. Let's put it this way, even the left leaning liberal democrats would be considered fairly Conservative in Europe. Obama is a centrist - in Europe he's right wing.

You don't have socialism in the US, it's time to retire that McCarthy-ist dog whistle.

 

MMARKUS

6:19 PM ET

October 27, 2010

Somehow we need to get perspective on who America is

The article is good and does as modern journalism generally does, admits that if some group believes something, then their ideas deserve a public hearing with limited or no filtration. The current definition of objectivism. The story also notes to those who would marginalize this group that a full 1 in 5 now self-identify as a Tea Partiers. But what the story fails to point out is that 4 out of 5 Americans do not. These are actually the same statistics that we could have gathered a year ago, or ten years ago, or even farther back, just by applying some other labels popularly in use at the time. Indeed the statistics on liberalism versus conservatism haven’t really shifted at all for decades. So what’s the different today? Only one thing changes – even while it always stays the same – and that’s media coverage. This article is another example of trying to understand a movement simply because it can be named. Well, and because it includes some crazy characters. Crazies are great for drawing attention to a movement.

So who are they really? More than one poll has revealed that the Tea Party demographics are built first and foremost by self-identified Social Conservatives. As Social Conservatives had previously been in the 12-to-15% range, we must admit that the Tea Party has ‘grown’ from that base. But this supposed broadening of appeal is nothing more than the inclusion of additional conservatives who are attracted to ‘fiscal responsibility’ arguments that are more prominent in the Tea Party incarnation. In other words there has been a shift in sub-group identification internal to conservatism. Given the recent and striking failure of policies directly forwarded by conservatives, the fact that they’re squirming for a place to recover their fighting stance is not too surprising.

Thirty years ago when Reagan was elected, self-identified conservatives made up roughly a third of the American electorate. Back in ’93, when the Contract with America ushered in 14 years of conservative rule over American legislation; conservatives were, yes, roughly a third of the electorate. Today conservatives are, you guessed it, still roughly a third. This fact is often lost on Americans and probably everyone in the world given that conservatives have dominated almost everything about American politics for the last 30 years. Despite the emergence of a new self-identification label, now called the Tea Party, conservatism is not growing in America; it is in many quarters quite reviled. If you’re wondering how conservatives have so much access to power when they don’t have the numbers, you should also realize that liberals are only 22% of the electorate.

Self-identified centrists (or moderates) make up the rest or nearly half the voters. This group gives everyone a hearing at election time, but first they must filter through the screaming and other media nonsense. Despite everything that the American right likes to say about a liberal mainstream media, the conservative media system in America is a well-oiled machine that drowns out almost everything else. Remember too that our centrist voter can only pick from the candidates offered and most often this is a stark choice between left and right. Centrist candidates do emerge and generally do well, but then they must pick their alliances within government given the same stark choices. And the media game continues. As detractors pointed out and even Bush staff members have admitted, the Bush administration while in office was more concerned with endless ideological campaigning than it was with the details of actually governing. This shoves everyone on all sides of the political debate into a perpetual media cycle with no escape.

To understand the strangeness of this situation, consider it from the point of view of centrists in America. Some percentage of Americans (we can’t know exactly how many because the media doesn’t cover any viewpoint that is not being explicitly forwarded by a labeled group or interest) recognize that the collapse of the world economy came as the culminating failure of neo-liberal economics. Everything from its abhorrence of regulation to its outsized adoration of markets to its refusal/reluctance to tax income progressively were and are staples of conservative and Republican thought. All of that played a big role in what just happened, but not all Americans understand that. The reporter from China in the story above can rest easily. There is little indication that the Tea Party understands anything about the role of globalism or the trade deficit in the decline of America’s fortunes.

That the rightwing in America considers Greece and Spain as examples of European failure is ironic. The truth is that had America run its business and finances more sensibly during this long (and perhaps continuing?) dominance of conservatism, Greece probably and most certainly Spain would not be facing any crises at all today. This is not to excuse mistakes in either country, but it was the failure of America to regulate business and finance appropriately and to ameliorate capitalism’s handful of self-destructive distortions that put us all in the soup.

For the center in America, yes, the Tea Party is annoying, but it’s also frightening. Not because it’s ‘crazy,’ but because it would seem that it’s largely unaware of anything that matters. The center here believes that real changes need to be made sooner than later to address the real problems, the real causes of failure. And looking at the current incarnation of conservatism from almost every angle it appears to be a well-orchestrated effort to keep any of that from happening. I guess we’ll see once again how much damage a ruling minority can cause (this time 1 in 5?). It is again ironic, that at the outset of the Tea Party movement its supporters claimed they were victims of taxation without representation. In fact this group in its various forms has to be the singularly most over-represented group in American history.

 

DIRECTHEX

2:06 PM ET

October 28, 2010

Excellent submission

May I say sir/madam, great post. May not agree necessarily with all of it, but frankly it's well written and good to see.

 

KRISHNA-KIRTI

11:19 AM ET

October 29, 2010

Tea Party could go European?

When explaining to the "French" or other foreigners, you are, as this article describes, explaining it to foreign journalists. Journalists are an elite section of society, so explaining it to them is not the same as explaining it to the non-elite news consumers in those countries.

For example, the recent passage of a law extending the retirement age from 60 to 62 in France is a sign that the French public is becoming more conservative and that their politicians (and hence elites) are becoming more conservative (at least fiscally) with them. Sarkozy himself is an example of a trend towards more conservative values. And while the passage of the new retirement age and the election of Sarkozy aren't signs of a Frenc Tea Party, they do share with the tea party concerns over fiscal responsibility.

So it is likely that the French, the Germans, and maybe a lot of Greeks for that matter probably "get it" when it comes to the Tea Party--not all of it, but perhaps better than some of the journalists who cover it for them.

 

FORLORNEHOPE

12:21 PM ET

October 29, 2010

Obama and Blair

Blair is almost a dirty word in the United Kingdom but highly regarded in the US. Obama seems to be becoming his mirror image.

 

KENITMIDTY

4:47 PM ET

November 19, 2010

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