Delusion Points

Don't fall for the nostalgia -- George W. Bush's foreign policy really was that bad.

BY STEPHEN M. WALT | NOVEMBER 8, 2010

Two years into Barack Obama's presidency, it has become a cliché to observe that the newish president, who spent his 2008 campaign promising a U-turn from his deeply unpopular predecessor's activities abroad, has ended up with a foreign policy that looks surprising like George W. Bush's. The United States has more troops in Afghanistan than it did at the end of the Bush years, Guantánamo is still open, efforts to engage Iran have failed, and while American soldiers may have begun pulling back from Iraq, they've left plenty of Western defense contractors in their wake.

In anticipation of tomorrow's release of Bush's memoir, Decision Points, this line of thinking is reinforcing one of the Beltway press corps' favorite rituals: the "was he really that bad?" nostalgia for a president that the same reporters and analysts were happily pummeling only two years ago.

Don't believe a word of it. George W. Bush's presidency really was that bad -- and the fact that Obama has largely followed the same course is less a measure of Bush's wisdom than a reminder of the depth of the hole he dug his country into, as well as the institutionalized groupthink that dominates the U.S. foreign-policy establishment.

Decision Points has 14 chapters, each one pivoting around a key decision that Bush made in his adult life. So, in honor of America's newly published ex-president, here's my own list of 14 decisions that Bush made -- ones that tell a slightly different history of the 43rd presidency.

JIM WATSON/AFP/Getty Images

 

Stephen M. Walt, the Robert and Renée Belfer professor of international affairs at Harvard University's Kennedy School of Government and a contributing editor at Foreign Policy, is the author of Taming American Power: The Global Response to U.S. Primacy and, with coauthor J.J. Mearsheimer, The Israel Lobby. He blogs at http://walt.foreignpolicy.com/.

CEOUNICOM

8:05 AM ET

November 9, 2010

re: no surprises

I have no beef with the points cited; I think its a fairly decent list of many of Bush's Greatest Misses... but like most compilation albums, it tends to skip the perhaps more interesting stuff in favor of Top 40 hits.

But, as for those...

The financial/economic collapse was listed here at what... #14? And it's perhaps not entirely clear that anything Bush did/didn't do really precipitated the pop of the bubble any more than things done in the previous (clinton) administration. The main rise in the real estate bubble came about 1998-2006; and yes, that was mainly on Bush's watch. But the fiscal policy wasn't any change from Clinton's / Greenspan's; and who's to blame for failing to police Fanny and Freddy, and encouraging subprime lending incentives? Mainly Barney Frank. I think the question of Bush's stewardship of the economy should probably deserve its own separate analysis altogether, and be treated as the ensemble performance that it was; blaming him for the economic mess i think is perhaps unfair, or at the very least leaves many other culprits unnamed. It's too easy to nail him for the economy, when really he had zero relevance to the issue in the end. Well, mostly. I think he did whatever his 'experts' told him to do/not to do.

Now, torture, on the other hand... Yeah, lay it on his doorstep. Although i think there's (again) a wider cast that dragged him into some seriously stupid territory. One of the reasons Bush-Bashing has its limits is that he was *never smart enough to be fully responsible for such enormously stupid things* (I know that seems to be contradictory on the face of it, but anyone who knows Serious Stupid is that it usually requires a bunch of highly-intelligent people - e.g. Wolfowitz? Pearle? - to make it happen) Bush's great tragedy was probably his general helplessness, and willingness to take bad advice without caution or contemplation. In some ways he's been the Simplicius Simplicissimus of world affairs. Only, not as funny as that 17th century novel, and far less sympathetic.

In case no one's ever read it.... it's here

http://rbsche.people.wm.edu/teaching/grimmelshausen/

 

SCOTTINDALLAS

9:28 AM ET

November 9, 2010

economic blame

One serious factor in the collapse was commodities speculation. In 2000, under Clinton, at the behest of Phil Graham, Rubin and Summers we passed the Commodities Futures Modernization Act. This had the "Enron Exemption" aka "London Loophole," which barred the CFTC from reviewing commodities trades in London and Dubai. This is what drove oil to over $140/barrel when supplies were ample. (Currently we have even greater supplies and less demand but speculators continue to divert economic stimulus dollars into commodities inflation--taxing the American taxpayer twice.)

Also, please get some insight and information about Fannie and Freddie. They followed the private lead and were left, after the music stopped without a chair. This has been overblown to absolve the banks from blame. CDO's and the slicing and dicing of loans was a Goldman Sachs "innovation."

Imagine if Bush had never passed those tax cuts. Imagine if he had followed the Keynesian model--namely you run surpluses in good times and deficit spend in the lean times. Bush managed to run a deficit in good times, corrupting the Keynesian model.

You see in Bush someone who is intellectually lazy, doesn't seek dissent or imagine the down side of the Machiavellian machinations his advisers weaved for him. Anyone who sought challenges to the Iraq WMD intel had ample evidence of serious questions. If one reporter had reiterated the questions the inspectors raised in their rebuttal to Colin Powell's testamony few would have been fooled. It amazes me that listened to their rebuttal on NPR, though no follow up ensued in the media.

 

MOFFAKA

8:24 AM ET

November 22, 2010

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They followed the private lead and were left, after the music stopped without a chair.basur

 

CEOUNICOM

8:09 AM ET

November 9, 2010

p.s.

People, don't bother with Khan. He's back from a sabbatical, but is well known as the dumbest SOB ever to grace the intertubes. He'll get banned and come back under a different name in a while. He's less interesting than your average street-corner schizophrenic.

 

FREETRADER

10:03 AM ET

November 10, 2010

@ Mr Khan

The only small minded (as well as racist) person around these parts is you, bub.

 

ARMYVET05

10:02 AM ET

November 9, 2010

flawed article

There are quite a few things in this article I'd like to point out that are wrong or could be viewed another way:

1) The term "war on terror" did not give bin Laden a loftier status; the media gave him a loftier status by making the phrase "war on terror" bigger than it needed to be.

2) "Axis of Evil" is definitely an appropriate category for Iran to be placed in. Last time I checked, US has not had diplomatic relations with Iran since 1980...hardly Bush's fault right? Also, as seen lately, Iran is now in bed with Venezuela, trading chemical parts oddly labeled as "tractor parts" on the outside of the crates, meaning they're up to no good and further validating the Axis of Evil title.

3) The article mentions WikiLeaks and how the leaked documents proved waterboarding. I'm not arguing against that at all. But this article strangely omits the documents that proved numerous weapons caches were found containing traces of chemical weapons (to include mustard agents)...funny how the article failed to mention that at all. Don't believe me? It's on Global Security Newswire titled "Iraq War Logs Cite Continued WMD Concerns" dated 25 Oct 2010.

4) I'm not sure how Bush could sabotage peace in the Middle East when there was no peace to begin with.

5) If Obama can blame Bush for all his problems, isn't it only fair that Bush should blame Clinton for allowing 9/11 to happen? Sure it happened on Bush's watch, but with Clinton majorly downsizing the military in the 90s, we showed the rest of the world that we weren't worried about an outside attack and basically allowed terrorists into this country freely where they could plan the attack that ended up happening after Bush took office. I'm not saying this is the right answer, but if Bush is Obama's Eve, then Clinton would be the serpent.

Just offering a different vantage point; it's open for debate...I'd love to hear what others think!

 

DDSNAIK

12:30 PM ET

November 9, 2010

Thanks, Vet

It's always useful to hear other perspectives and refreshing when they're not wingnuts. Attempting (feebly) some brevity in my response...

I agree that the media probably sensationalized "war on terror" and the ready and rapid access to media nowadays makes it easy for catchphrases to spread like wildfire, but it's fair to ask who actually coined the term. Morever, if it's the theoretical most powerful man in the world saying something...

Labeling Iran and North Korea et.al. with whatever bombastic serves no real purpose, on one hand, but might psychologically deter those countries from reconciling to whatever potential extent (If we're already proven guilty, we may as well...). Again, it's not a causation but can be a provocation where none is needed, which again goes back to Bush not being particularly literate or articulate (no one is fooled by the IV league pedigree).

Even if modest amounts of chemical weapons were found in Iraq, the crux of the war declaration officially was a threat to us here and/or WMD. A few barrels of mustard gas doesn't qualify.

Fair enough, it would be more accurate to say that Bush scuttled any potential peace or progress towards peace in the Middle East rather than sabotaging an actual peace that isn't present - but even relieving Bush of any obligation to pursue peace in the ME doesn't mean that he should stoke the flames more by haphazardly declaring wars or choosing a side so impartially. It's OK to not solve the problem, but don't be part of the problem.

Spreading blame for security and economic woes amongst previous leaders is also perfectly fair, so Clinton and Reagan should certainly not get a free pass. Rare is the problem that has a singular source. I would even add that you and I and most of our fellow mainstream Americans are to partly blame, since we (at the very least) enable chicanery at higher levels as long as our lifestyle addictions are sated at minimal (obvious) cost and without disruption of our weekly/daily routines.

Cheers

 

ARMYVET05

2:48 PM ET

November 9, 2010

to DDSNAIK

I, too, appreciate hearing different sides of the story. It's when discussions begin to move to either extreme that it becomes less about the facts and more about name-calling. Thanks for your additional insight because it helps me see things in a way I might not normally see them.

You definitely bring up some valid points, including the fact that maybe labeling different countries isn't the right answer. Unfortunately we can't afford to follow the "live and let live" motto because nothing would get done, but at the same time, labeling a country doesn't do anything to help the situation either.

Also, having served in Iraq, I can tell you that no matter how big the weapons cache is, it's still a huge morale booster for the troops when they make a significant find like that. So even though it may not fully justify our existence there, it's still a nice win to remove those weapons from the enemy's hand.

If only politics could be as constructive. Until next time...

 

SQUEEDLE

3:40 PM ET

November 9, 2010

We should also not forget to

We should also not forget to blame the American people for putting him BACK into office. If anything, 51% of the American populace deserves blame for letting him go on. It can be said, first time you're a victim, second time you're a volunteer. We elected this SOB a second time. After the elections were over, I said to practically everyone, we now have the President we deserve.

I also blame the Democratic party for failing to get its collective crap together, give us decent opposition candidates, and for being somehow unable or unwilling to take the kid gloves off and put up a real fight in that election (or any other election since).

Last, we should remember that during the Clinton administration bin Laden was in custody at least once, and he entered the country twice on Clinton's watch and left. However, it is still well known that the Clinton White House warned the incoming Bush Administration what was up. Bush ignored multiple warnings.

To point 4), "downsizing the military" is a hot button for me: there is such a thing as a point of diminishing returns - this is basic economics. I simply do not believe that if we spend 10% more on defense that we are any longer getting 10% better US security. Simply criticizing "downsizing the military," especially when you compare what we spend per capita to what other nations spend, is simply illogical and all it does is play into fearmongering. We did not need to --double-- our defense spending over the last 10 years, and we certainly should never have fought two wars at once. Nobody ever points out this violation of basic war strategy.

I think it's clear that Bush grossly oversimplified things and everyone in the White House thought all they had to do is be a total dick (pun intended), wave their guns around, and everyone would cower at the greatness of America and do what we said. Well duh, people don't work that way. No compromises also means no progress; sorry, that's just the way the world works. Sometimes that means doing things you find distasteful in serving a larger, long term goal. The root of the Bush White House's failure was in its commitment to their black-and-white, punishment-oriented idealogy. It doesn't work in parenting, and it doesn't work in international relations, either.

And really, Obama's turned out to be a mediocre President trying to do an impossible, thankless job. Even a great President could not have lived up to America's unrealistic expectations.

 

DDSNAIK

4:54 PM ET

November 9, 2010

Agreed, ArmyVet

No one, at least in the US, would ever dilute any motivation or belittle any "victories" our troops manage - the men and women of the military are largely there by order (vs. being there by choice or conscience) and just doing their duty and acting in the best interest of their country (in theory). Wall Street goons should take note.

I agree, passivity and willfully looking burying our head in the sand while the world continues to turn and conspirators put plans in motion are naive at best and dangerous at worst. I am just very wary of name-calling and provocation, which solves nothing, especially from a mental midget of a president. Plus, the time where the US was in sole pole position is a thing of years past, so we can't continue to unilaterally and callously press our agenda at the expense of other countries or continue to remake the world in our image and not expect blowback - or worse.

 

SLANEY BLACK

10:53 AM ET

November 9, 2010

1-4 and 10 might be the most important

This is a great list Steve, and I especially appreciate how you didn't miss the bad decisions before Iraq. Because they fade into the background in retrospect, but boy howdy there were a lot of them. Bush foreign policy was a disaster almost from day one.

I'd also add the very dangerous saber-rattinling with China and Russia in the early days of the administration.

I traveled to Italy in 1999 and went back in 2001. It was amazing what a sea-change had happened in perceptions of Americans in those two years - it went from very welcoming to off the charts suspicion of American motives.

I remember a slightly tipsy housewife spent a half hour haranguing me about how Bush wanted to bomb everyone, one night in a Roman Chinese restaurant. Keep in mind this was *April* of 2001.

Good work for pulling that out, Prof. Walt.

 

SCEPTERMT

6:21 PM ET

November 9, 2010

911 an Inside Job?

Is it just coincidence or was 911 an inside job?

We needed to setup camps in afganistan to protect opium production. We, also needed to secure our shares of middle eastern oil. There was no way congress was going to allow bush to send troops to protect oil and drugs.

Oil and Pharmaceuticals are hands down, the two largest industries in this country. They are the driving forces behind our economy. Without these two supplys we would immediately go into depression.

We also have a tyrannical regime in this country that would like to see all forms of liberty stripped from the great people in this nation and I remember watching a set of events happen very quickly that shook the foundations of freedom in america.

In the aftermath of 911, congress agreed to declare war against a stereotype of person rather than against another country which has a militia to fight against. Instead we have allowed congress to declare war against the idea of non-compliance with government.

The US Patriot Act was introduced and signed into law immediately. This Act loosely defines terrorism as an anti-government idea or thought. It makes it a capitol crime to disagree with the government. For which, such suspects may be detained under the laws of treason. Which allows for capitol punishment to be carried out without the requirement for trial.

Broken down, it means that we have given the go ahead for the government to legally murder anyone who has a harmful thought towards it!

This thing was passed like a week after 911 nearly 2,000 pages of legal bs. I wonder how carefully that was thought through? As its name implies it forces our allegiance to all whims and wants of the current US government.

I think it follows the process of building wealth quite closely. First you want to think of a catastrophe that nobody knows how to fix, except for you. Build the solution the the problem and have it mass produced and ready for consumption. Create the catastrophe and make sure it cannot be linked back to you. Advertise the solution to the catastrophe and collect your payday.

So, I think Bush or someone else who stands to profit from our invasions into afganistan and iraq. US Pharmaceutical companies have benifited greatly by having the US Military in Afgan protecting their poppy fields. US Oil companies have profited tremendously from our invasion of iraq.

The New World Order is gaining lots of speed now that they can arrest and put to death anyone who disagrees with our muslim leader, Obama.

This is a pure O/Abamanation I tell you. We don't need drugs, just tell the FDA to stop raiding and shutting down companies that try to promote natural healing products and our health problems would be solved. We don't need oil, just goto Free Energy Options to learn how to convert your car to run on water.

If the link above didn't display:

[http]://[free-renewable-energy.blogspot.com]

 

JBKEMBLE

8:33 PM ET

November 9, 2010

"Neglecting Afghanistan" should get its own category

One of the corollaries to the Iraq debacle is that Bush pretty much abandoned the effort in Afghanistan from 2003-2008 -- which allowed the Taliban plenty of breathing room to regroup and establish the poppy trade. According to the Stiglitz-Bilmes research, the US spent more than four times as much money, and sent five times as many troops, to Iraq as it did to Afghanistan during this period. We therefore had an opportunity to get things under control in Afghanistan and we just completely botched it by getting diverted into Iraq. Think how many young people have been killed or maimed in Afghanistan during the past year who probably would never have got stuck there if Bush hadn't made this truly bad choice.

 

NICHOLAS WIBBERLEY

9:35 PM ET

November 9, 2010

Foreign Policy by any other name

One might wonder whether there actually is a US Foreign Policy or whether we simply employ the phrase to label what happens with US activities overseas, as if these happenings are somehow part of an orchestrated plan. A lot of things are done by people simply because they can be and it is not within the US psyche to do as little as possible. The Corinthians accused the Athenians of the same predilection, saying they were incapable of living in peace or letting anyone else do so either.

On the other hand, the whole thing would become clearer and the record of people like Bush so much easier to evaluate positively if The Department of Defense were to be renamed The Department of War and given oversight of arms sales which, after all, are an important part of US commercial activity and you can’t really make arms sales into a world wallowing in wishy-washy peace. It is only while the objective is assumed to be Peace that the whole thing is incomprehensible, but redefine the objective as War and Bush rises to glory like a Phoenix.

 

LEEN

10:45 PM ET

November 9, 2010

bingo

Bingo

 

LEEN

10:44 PM ET

November 9, 2010

Tens of thousands of Iraqi people dead.. No accountability

Walt "As Richard Perle -- a central member of the neocon team himself -- later told the New Yorker's George Packer, "if Bush had staffed his administration with a group of people selected by Brent Scowcroft and Jim Baker ... Then it could have been different, because they would not have carried into it the ideas that the people who wound up in important positions brought."

Tens of thousands (650,000 according to the Lancet in 2006 of Iraqi people are dead, injured and millions displaced and not one person has been held accountable.

President Clinton lies under oath about a b job = impeachment
President Bush , VP Cheney, Wolfowitz, Rumsfeld, Condi "mushroom cloud"Rice , Douglas Feith, Hadley, etc create, cherry pick and disseminate false pre war intelligence... = tens of thousands possibly hundreds of thousands dead and no accountability. Pathetic and criminal.

Stephen Walt. Can you explain why the recently released Pentagon Report that reported 77,000 dead in Iraq as a direct result of the invasion. Reports these deaths happening starting in 2004 and ending in 2008 as if no Iraqi people were killed in 2003 or after 2008. What is up with these huge differences in numbers.?

 

FREETRADER

10:12 AM ET

November 10, 2010

@Leen

Accountable? If you can find the Sunni Batthist and Shia militia members and the Al-Queda in Iraq leaders who killed all those people (that is, the leaders that are still alive), then yeah, I agree, we should hold them accountable.

Computing the dead in Iraq is not a contest but the politically-motivated Lancet tally has been pretty thoroughly discredited as being about 10x too high, by the way. But whatever the tally, I do hope you bring the thugs in that did all that killing. Good luck!

 

FSILBER

1:51 PM ET

November 10, 2010

It was really the Democrats' fault

I voted twice for Bush because the Democratic Party's candidates wanted to register handgun owners. (I saw what happened after 1936, when Germany required the registration of Jews.)

And no, we neither register automobile owners nor license automobile drivers -- as long as they only drive on private property. A similarly accessible (i.e. not "needs based") system of optional registration and licensing that would allow us to carry loaded guns in public for self-defense in all fifty states and many foreign countries would be a welcome improvement over the current patchwork system.

Bush made many mistakes but his legacy will always be the resurrection of the individual right to keep and bear arms, without which all our other rights are nothing more than good intentions.

 

REALISTICIDEALIST

3:10 PM ET

November 10, 2010

And we all have it.

Excellent hindsight.

 

AMA2002

3:59 PM ET

November 10, 2010

Mistake #8 "Iraq"

If only for #8 "Iraq", George W. Bush should have killed himself by now....

 

MAHZOOM

4:20 PM ET

November 10, 2010

It’s so ironic that the war

It’s so ironic that the war on terrorism cost the US 1 trillion dollars, and the financial collapse in 2008 cost the US trillions of dollars. Maybe this 1 trillion dollars would help in this collapse.
I think most of these points wasn’t mistakes. These decisions are meant to be. Especially #12. And most of these points are a natural result for the first two points.
And the reasons for the catastrophic mistakes that made by bush’s administration, is the US has a schizophrenia. Because US must put an American foreign policy that suits Israel not the US.
And in defense of bush, we must know that he wasn’t the one who took these decisions, it was Israel and its lobby. and for sure, I think, Obama will do the same, but maybe he wouldn't make another war.

 

INJUN_NC

4:27 PM ET

November 10, 2010

Excellent article....just one nit

What a great summation of Bush's disaster years! I guess, that's why I keep coming back to learn from Prof. Walt here.

Just one nit. Prof. Walt writes: "And while Iran faced economic sanctions and the threat of military force, India refused to sign the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty or open all of its nuclear facilities to outside inspections -- and still obtained a generous new nuclear cooperation agreement."

India would have refused to sign the NPT regardless. It is a major power with great upside and, like China, would not kow-tow to anyone on matters of its national security. So, I think the Indian example does not belong in this para.

Overall, I believe Prof. Walt is consistently right on the money on issues he writes about. I wish other prominent American academics would take his lead and call a 'spade a spade' even if that means being vilified by vested interests.

Thank you Professor Walt!

 

VANJOVI

6:22 AM ET

November 11, 2010

its the nature of the job

As Bush said in his interview on NBC, "its the nature of the job" people will talk all sorts of things about you. Professor Walt, I believe you and the former President have different ideologies. As for your 14 points on his 14 chapters, you have separated the policies and discussed them one by one. However, if you take pre-Bush era and 9/11 and post-9/11, the image will turn out to be totally different; as Bush argued at the end of the interview, that people will judge him as a successor or failure in the years to come. Thus only a comprehensive historical analysis will show the realism in action during the Bush era. Prof. Walt, America was under attack on 9/11 and a harsh response was necessary. I believe Bush administration's response wasn't harsh enough to make fast gains. However, all the policies successfully eradicated terrorism from the United States and created new markets for all the grudge and violence harbored by terrorism around the world. Afghanistan and Iraq are prime examples of this and as long as the battles are not in the United States, the US will lead the world. Finally, regarding the Hamas majority Gaza, Bush didn't accept the results since Hamas is not a political party but a militia oppressing an already fragile population. Of course, Iran is the major reason why Hamas today operates in Gaza and Hezbollah in Lebanon and they will probably do so as long as you have the Islamic regime in Iran.
Although you correctly argue on the financial re-percussion resulting from the war on terrorism, however, the recession was about to happen sooner or later as a result of the productive revolution of China, India, Pakistan and Brazil.
As an American I would prefer serving the American interest first and then respect, honor and engage with different regimes in the world.

 

DBRANCH2010

2:56 PM ET

November 11, 2010

Don't forget

The useless SORT treaty w/ Russia

 

DAVEINBOCA

10:10 AM ET

November 12, 2010

The BDS cabal in full-throated cry

"Tens of thousands (650,000 according to the Lancet in 2006 of Iraqi people are dead, injured and millions displaced and not one person has been held accountable."

Lancet is not a medical magazine, contrary to a poster here who styles himself an "expert" in these matters. The official UN count of civilian & military dead & injured is under 100,000 and no number of lies by Global Warming hoaxers or others of that ilk on the lying left will change that fact.

Lancet has a Trotskyite political leaning, as opposed to the usual crazed-Brit "socialism-in-one-country" of Stalin. Wouldn't be surprised to see gulags sprout in the Midlands if the Lancet editors had their way.

 

PADDYP

5:00 PM ET

November 12, 2010

Daveinboca

Anyone can Google the Lancet - it is a highly respected British medical journal where professionals post articles for peer review. There is no official American count of Iraqi dead, nor is there a UN one.

A good propagandist keeps her assertions somewhere near the truth - yours are transparently stupid.

Amazing how many Brits, mourning their extinct empire, latch onto the American one.

Get a life.

 

JOHN MILTON XIV

9:18 PM ET

November 16, 2010

Health

Daveinboca,

Of the myriad of tragedies associated with your distressing lack of medical knowledge is the obvious fact that you have no idea what the mental condition known as schizoid- affective paranoiac disorder is.

This will continue to cripple you throughout your adult life - assuming you get that stage of development - as you very clearly manifest most of the symptoms of this debilitating condition.

 

JOHN MILTON XIV

5:22 PM ET

November 12, 2010

War, Defeat, Decline and Fall.

George W. Bush was a pitiful "little corporal".

 

BEATRIZDEBARROSSOUZA

7:46 PM ET

November 12, 2010

Two reasons why #6 is my favorite...

1st) there's no human(itarian) explanation for the use of torture after Genevra
2nd) Mr Inboden (http://shadow.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2010/11/09/in_response_to_steve_walt
strategically didn't mention it.
----------
For all Bush-unconditionally-defenders:
Stop playing the 'don't talk about my President' role;
You're smarter than that.

 

UBIKWITUS

7:58 AM ET

November 13, 2010

The delusion wiil pass

Bushco set Obama up to be the first president to 'lose' a war. And what right-thinking President would want that singular 'honor'?

Just like Nixon inheriting Mr. Johnson's little east asian problem, after getting elected to do something about it, chose to out-Johnson Johnson and double, or triple down on all bets. He spent his first term 'warring' about it and most of his second finding a way to weasel out with 'peace' and 'honor'. The Viets of course, like they would have done anyway at far less cost, looked after themselves.

So the American plan continues in action and if Obama's on the ball he's looking fo a way out, too. difference is the military facing Nixon were a thoroughly discredited bunch, while Obama's 'Praetorians' continue to rule the roost. and Obama has no Kissinger to do his dirty washing. We'll just have to see what 'loser' gets elected next, for this all, too, will pass.

 

MARYBLACK

5:42 AM ET

November 14, 2010

Everything is relative

Was Bush bad or good, in any case that was experience for America and Americans. Everything is relative in our life. And there were reasons why did people elected him for the second time! custom essaysWith going time it’s easier to say what was bad and what was good, so let’s see what people would say about him in 10-15 years.

 

GOODDAY

12:58 PM ET

November 14, 2010

Glenn Beck, George W. Bush, and Sarah Palin

Even in the United States, there are still people who don't follow Glenn Beck, George W. Bush, and Sarah Palin.

 

GUSTAV G

7:17 PM ET

November 14, 2010

Capitalist George Bush is evil.

Why do we even bother listening to these capitalist fools like George Bush?

Individual wealth is evil. Collective wealth is the only virtue, social justice is the destination and Barack is the shepherd leading us down that path. We must remove the barriers to equality created by capitalism and embrace the righteousness of socialism.

Vote Democrat! Vote Union!

 

OL SHASTA

9:02 PM ET

November 14, 2010

Unions

Unions are the scourge of this country. I have been a member of one for many years and the best thing they do is keep crappy employees from getting fired. Greed and corruption are at the very heart and soul of every union.

 

GUSTAV G

12:53 AM ET

November 15, 2010

Really? That was all you had a problem with?

You friggin' liberal buffoons don't have an issue with me touting communist rhetoric or bashing the fundamental basis for the greatest society the world has yet to produce. You just have a beef with unions.

Unbelievable.

 

FRANKWUNDER

1:56 PM ET

November 15, 2010

I Get It

I think we get it, by now, that people have issues with Bush's 8 years in office. Why beat a dead horse? He's left office, he's publishing a book, let's leave the man alone and stop ridiculing his presidency when the current sitting President has the Gulf Oil spill, national debt, China, and a whole host of other problems to deal with.

To keep returning to blame Bush for the current problems seems myopic. Yes, he made some mistakes, but hasn't Obama made his share of mistakes as well?

I think the problem with academic viewpoints is that they give paper opinions and while there are points of reality in these opinions I think that a lot of academics fail to remember that we're human beings working with flawed and limited tools. Show me a government that functions perfectly, without flaw, and I'll retract any and all opinions.

 

RU_STASYE

3:57 PM ET

November 15, 2010

I Get

Anyone who sought tatil challenges to the Iraq WMD intel had ample evidence filmcin of serious questions. If one reporter had reiterated the gazeteler questions Show me a klip izle government that functions perfectly

 

DODGESBOO

2:17 AM ET

November 17, 2010

I WANT TO KNOW

I WANT TO KNOW WHY WE JUST CANT SEND ARE MEN AN WEMAN HOME AN NEVER LOOK BACK AGAIN. WHY CANT WE JUST SETTLE THIS STUPID WAR. TO MANY OF OUR LOVED ONES HAS LEFT THERE LOVED ONES BEHIND BECAUSE OF THIS STUPID WAR. I MEAN COME ON WHY CANT EVERYONE GROW UP AN LIVE THERE LIFES AN LEAVE US ALONE AN STOP KILLING EACH OTHER VIOLANCE IS NOT THE ANSWER TO EVERYTHING. JUST GROW THE HECK UP AN MOVE ON WITH YOUR LIFE. LIVE THE WAY YOU WANT AN THATS LIFE IS NOT FIGHTING AN KILLING. I WANT TO KNOW HOW MANY OF YOU OUT THERE WOULD DIE JUST TO HAVE YOUR KIDS BACK THE WAY THE IRAQI'S WOULD. HOW WOULD YOU ALL FEEL IF SOMEONE WAS KILLING YOUR KIDS. I WOULD REALLY LIKE TO KNOW HOW WOULD YOU FEEL.

 

HRIS

6:15 PM ET

November 17, 2010