The Settlement Fixation

The Obama administration and the Western media treat Israeli settlements as the key to Mideast peace. In reality, it's the least of their problems.

BY MICHAEL WEISS | NOVEMBER 10, 2010

Of all the problems bedeviling Israeli-Palestinian peace talks, the status of Jewish settlements in the West Bank -- thrown into the spotlight again this week by Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's visit to the United States -- has surely attracted the most attention. But that does not make it the most important or the most pressing issue.

Contrary to what many believe, Israelis are largely in agreement over the terms and circumstances under which they would compromise over the settlements -- a consensus that is surely larger than that which exists in Palestinian society over how to reconcile the feuding Islamist and secular nationalist factions in Gaza and the West Bank. While Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas has used settlements as an excuse to disrupt the latest round of peace talks, the open secret in today's Middle East is that the issue is one of the least problematic obstacles to a final-status agreement.

The settlement project was originally conceived as a response to Israel's national security concerns and was bolstered through an awkward marriage with the ambitions of Messianic Judaism. But as Israeli realpolitik and demographic calculations have turned against the settlers, the settlements have been emptied of their original ideological justifications and reduced to the status of a mere bargaining chip by even the country's most hawkish leaders.

The first settlements were built following Israel's capture of Gaza and the West Bank after the 1967 Six-Day War, but expansionism did not begin in earnest until after the 1973 Yom Kippur War. Although Israel prevailed in 1973, Israelis believed the war could easily have gone the other way. The Israeli security establishment reckoned that possessing the military buffer zone of the Israeli-occupied territories made the critical difference between victory and defeat. Territorial depth provided the Israel Defense Forces with the room to maneuver and time to recover from the surprise attack by Egypt and Syria. Jordan stayed out of the war, but Israelis worried that it would not have been so restrained if the Hashemite Kingdom still controlled the West Bank and was thus capable of launching an invasion from next door.

Shortly after the Six-Day War, Israel mooted a program for geographical deterrence which, in the wake of a far less confident victory in 1973, now seemed all the more compelling. Conceived by Yigal Allon, then the deputy prime minister, it suggested a plan for the strategic settlement of the West Bank. Although never formally adopted, the Allon Plan attained the level of de facto policy as it was fitfully implemented by successive left-wing Labor governments.

The mountainous rift above the Jordan River was to constitute the best bulwark against Arab invasion. A strip of 12 to 15 kilometers along the west bank of the river would therefore be annexed by Israel, and Israeli towns overlooking the predominantly Arab cities in the West Bank such as Jericho and Hebron would be developed.

The security motive for the Allon Plan was obvious, but there was also a second aspect of the plan's logic that was equally important: to prevent Israel from permanently acquiring any part of the West Bank that was home to large Arab populations. Allon envisioned that the land falling outside the 12-to-15-kilometer fortified strip would be governed by some form of Arab "autonomy." As Irish academic and politician Conor Cruise O'Brien observed in The Siege, his magisterial history of Zionism and the early decades of the state of Israel:

In those parts of it which were implemented, the Allon Plan was a document of annexationist tendency. But the questions it raised, or expressed, over the future of the densely populated Arab areas did have the effect, during most of the period between 1967 and 1977, of closing these areas to Jewish settlement. [Italics in the original.]

The goal, then, of the initial settlement project was minimal rather than maximal. The Israeli political class sought to forestall what veteran Israeli diplomat Abba Eban termed "superfluous domination" of Arab land.

However, the escalation of Palestinian terrorist attacks soon provoked an equally hard-edged Israeli response, which gave the settlement project a more ideological underpinning. In May 1974, Arab fedayeen kidnapped 90 schoolchildren and teachers in the northern Israeli town of Ma'alot. The Israeli rescue operation was a calamity, resulting in the deaths of more than 20 children. In October of that year, the Arab League summit held in Rabat, Morocco, formally recognized the Palestine Liberation Organization, which included the faction responsible for the Ma'alot attack, as the "sole legitimate representative" of the Palestinian people. A month later, PLO head Yasir Arafat, by then the public face of Arab terrorism, addressed the U.N. General Assembly in New York and received a standing ovation.

Not by coincidence, 1974 was also the year that Gush Emunim -- "Bloc of the Faithful" -- was founded by young Israeli activists from the National Religious Party. The movement, which was dedicated to the expansion of Israeli settlements, preached that the Jewish nation and its land were holy and given to the Jews by God. Gush Emunim's official policy with respect to the occupied territories was hitnahalut, which literally means "colonization" and, in practice, meant squatting on Arab territory regardless of state policy. By 1976, then Defense Minister Shimon Peres allowed Gush Emunim to "colonize" the Palestinian village of Sebastia, near Nablus. It was fast becoming clear that the interests of Messianic Judaism and Israeli security had merged.

The first and second intifadas -- Palestinian uprisings -- only reinforced this precarious dynamic. But following the 1991 Madrid peace conference, the settlements also acquired a role as a bargaining chip in Israeli-Palestinian peace talks. Israel accepts a "land for peace" arrangement premised on territorial concessions, while continuing to suggest that Jewish real estate in the West Bank knows no limits. It's a paradox with a point, as historian Walter Russell Mead recently noted: "Without the threat of more settlements, it's not clear what the incentives are for the Palestinians to accept a territorial compromise based on the 1967 frontiers." Fueled by this logic, the settlement population has tripled since the Madrid conference.

But the continued growth of the settlements and the international attention directed toward them obscures the fact that their original rationale has eroded. The prospect of Israel fighting a conventional war against another Arab army is outmoded, as both its recent conflicts with Hezbollah and Hamas attest. Terrorists, unlike tanks, are not deterred from crossing over rocky terrain. Moreover, the security wall that now physically separates much of Israel from the West Bank acts as its own buffer and has so far managed to radically reduce the number of suicide bombings in cities such as Tel Aviv and Jerusalem. Furthermore, the West Bank has largely been pacified since the Second Intifada due to the savvy partnership between Israel and the Palestinian Authority's security establishment, the training of a professional Palestinian gendarmerie by the United States, and the internal policing methods of Palestinian Prime Minister Salam Fayyad.

In Israel, settlements have also lost popular support. The 1995 assassination of Prime Minister Yitzhak Rabin by Yigal Amir, a Messianic rejectionist of the Oslo Accords, marked the beginning of the erosion of the settler movement's credibility. As recently as this March, a poll conducted by the Harry S. Truman Institute for the Advancement of Peace at the Hebrew University of Jerusalem found that 60 percent of Israelis support "dismantling most of the settlements in the territories as part of a peace agreement with the Palestinians."

In 2005, Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon, judging that an indefinite occupation was destructive to Israel's long-term national interests, withdrew all settlements from Gaza. By Sharon's reckoning, Israel stood to become an Arab-majority state if its expansionist project in the occupied territories reached a level of de facto annexation. He feared that this would allow Arab inhabitants to vote away Israel's identity as a Jewish homeland, or force Israel to deny this population equal democratic rights and to establish a system of apartheid.

Netanyahu epitomizes the Israeli establishment's embrace of this hardheaded logic and the marginalization of Messianic Judaism in its mainstream political discourse. In his 2009 address at Bar-Ilan University, the current prime minister acknowledged the legitimacy of a Palestinian state. Although the speech was criticized as being insufficient by Netanyahu's leftist critics, it in fact ended the Likud party dream of a state of Israel lying between the Mediterranean Sea and the Jordan River and encompassing all of Gaza and "Judea and Samaria" (the biblical terms for the West Bank).

This speech, which came just four years after Netanyahu quit his post as finance minister in Sharon's cabinet to protest the Gaza withdrawal, certified a slow reorientation of Israeli politics away from a theological or security-based justification for the settlement enterprise. The prime minister's latest offer to extend the construction moratorium in exchange for the Palestinian recognition of Israel as a "Jewish state" has been roundly criticized as a diplomatic non-starter while the larger point -- that a conservative hawk sees the settlements as leverage and not a divine mandate -- is just as predictably elided.

So where does that leave the die-hard settlers? Perhaps bidding for renewed political relevance, the movement has itself begun to flirt with democratic integration -- except that its preferred model is the so-called "one-state solution," which envisions the Jewish and Arab polities in Israel, Gaza, and the West Bank merging into a single democratic state. This concept, however, is even more fraught with obstacles and the possibility of bloodshed than the two-state solution. Ethnic power-sharing would, at best, transform Israel into another Lebanon and invite the same wardrobe of calamity, including civil war and tribal assassinations.

If this is God's will then so be it, argues Uri Elitzur, Netanyahu's former chief of staff and a leading intellectual of the Israeli religious right. Elitzur recently endorsed the one-state solution in Nekuda, the settler movement's official magazine. Reuven Rivlin, the speaker of the Knesset, the Israeli parliament, said this year that he "would rather [have] Palestinians as citizens of this country over dividing the land up."

Wondrous though it undoubtedly is to imagine the religious Jewish right nodding in agreement with the New York Review of Books, the settlers' rethink on Greater Israel's political boundaries also demonstrates their divorce from mainstream Israeli thought and practical reality. It is all the more reason to see their movement for what it is: marginalized politically and curtailed in scope.

That is not to say that the existing West Bank settlements are destined to fall from Israeli control. Land swaps have long been part of the tool kit of final-status negotiations; in late 2008, Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert and Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas undertook a hypothetical map-drawing exercise that delineated the border between the two states. The end result allowed for large settlement blocs to be incorporated into the Jewish state, while according land currently inside Israel to the new Palestinian state. Ma'ale Adumim, for instance, which was a sticking point in the international debate preceding the construction moratorium, is home to some 36,500 Israelis who aren't likely to go anywhere, as most Palestinians acknowledge. Building new bathrooms or balconies there is hardly the fatal blow to peace that it has been made to appear.

Settlements should not be the top Mideast priority for the Obama administration. More critical issues will have to be resolved first, such as reconciling feuding Palestinian political factions, guaranteeing that security can be maintained in the West Bank without an IDF presence, and ensuring that Palestinian institutions now being built are stable enough to sustain a functioning democratic government, regardless of which party is elected. The settlement fixation is a convenient distraction from these obstacles, which have no easy remedy and continue to block the way to a two-state solution.

Shaul Schwarz/Getty Images

 

Michael Weiss is the executive director of Just Journalism, a London-based think tank that monitors how the British media cover Israel and the Middle East.

TAWFIKH

6:20 AM ET

November 11, 2010

the future of palestians & yum kippur war

Very well written article, i have two comments however,
1) First, we should not think of the palestinians as barbarians. If they do become a state in the future, God willing, the situation will not be as chaotic as anyone pictures it to be. The constant flow of money from Arab states will make palestinians too busy to even fight with themselves. Israelis should not be scared of their own security.
2) Second, on a slightly smaller note, since Mr.Weiss' main job is to monitor British Media coverage of the conflict, he should be more sensitive to writing decisive lines such as "Israel prevailed in 1973", prevailing at the time was the six day war. What happened in the 1973 was nothing close to prevailing. From the Egyptian side, the plan was to invade only a few kilometers east of the suez, which was achieved. Although the Egyptian Third Army was surrounded, reaching negotiations as soon as possible was Anwar El Sadat's main objective.

 

BASE

8:50 AM ET

November 11, 2010

WEISS?

This is obviously total BS. Consider the source.

 

AMIELU

8:56 AM ET

November 11, 2010

Hitnachlut

While the article is relatively good from a Labor Zionist perspective it contains an egregious blooper by its mistranslation of the word hitnachlut. The word is the verb form of nahala patrimony. It appears in the biblical division of the Land of Israel between the tribes. It is therefore light years away from the concept of colonization that starts with Greek city states in the Mediterranean and the European colonial empires. If something is your patrimony it belongs to you.

The Arab Israeli conflict is not a conflict over territory it is a conflict over legitimacy and therefore the major importance of the settlements is the statement that they make over Jewish rights to the land. It is also the reason why the Arabs must distort history over the temple mount and Rachel's tomb to sustain their case that Israel is a sequel to the evanescent Crusader Kingdoms.

 

PADDYP

10:48 AM ET

November 11, 2010

Amielu

Biblical, huh? The creation myth of a bronze age middle eastern tribe? You think that if something is your patrimony it belongs to you?

Tell that to the Native Americans!

 

THE EUROPEAN

11:13 AM ET

November 11, 2010

Seven Pillars of Wisdom- T. E. Lawrence.

This book title is an autobiographical account of "Lawrence of Arabia"(1922): very few people in America are aware of the history of that particular land.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seven_Pillars_of_Wisdom

The entire Arabian land was part of the Ottoman Empire and ruled by the last Sultan, Abdul Hamid II. There was no national identity attributable to the wandering nomadic Arab tribes, only tribal and religious bonds existed. There were no borders either.

The present Arab states are the artificial creations of the British Sykes and the French Picot: they "created" Syria, Jordan, Saudi Arabia etc. out of thin air after WWI.
The current Kings were tribal chieftains, whom the British rewarded with "Kinghood" to serve their interest. The French created "Republic" like Syria instead of Kingdoms.
This is the factual background devoid of partiality.

What is going on today is a mini "Cold War" between Jewish and Arab interest in which both sides use propaganda war to delegitimize the other. This is part of the "Larger Cold War" between pro-Islamic and pro-Western forces (see:S. Huntington's) and both sides have their own cheering crowd.

 

AVILLA

7:11 PM ET

November 11, 2010

Lol...

"Michael Weiss is the executive director of Just Journalism, a London-based think tank that monitors how the British media cover Israel and the Middle East."

www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2009/mar/05/israel-palestinian-territories-media+just+journalism&cd=7&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us

"The report clearly identifies Just Journalism's subjectivity, criticising the BBC Middle East editor for "humanising Palestinian perspectives" (how dare he depict Palestinians as human), as well as the Guardian and Independent for allegedly publishing "five times as many opinion pieces critical of Israel's occupation than supportive". Does Just Journalism really believe that balance is achieved by supporting occupation?"

ORLY, Michael Weiss. Your argument has worked so well over the course of history. "Hey, man, we're just colonizing the eastern seaboard. You Indians can live out west. Why are you so FIXATED on these 'settlements'? ARE YOU ANTI-EUROPEAN?!!!"

 

FLOATINGPOINT

10:14 PM ET

November 11, 2010

> While Palestinian Authority

> While Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas has used settlements as an excuse to disrupt the latest round of peace talks, ...

With a spin like this, there is no need to read further. It's a BS article.

 

ONEUNSTUCKINTIME

12:09 AM ET

November 12, 2010

Just Journalism

Our motto:

"I mean, really...it's only journalism."

 

BALTHAZAR

12:12 AM ET

November 12, 2010

just a thought

3 millions jews surrounded by 150 millions arabs. Let the jews have their tiny sacred land for all sake. Please live'em alone.

 

NBPAT

12:03 PM ET

November 12, 2010

Why doesn't President Obama

Why doesn't President Obama just take that Bibi Nazi-yahoo guy and spank him, in public?

Beeb is prime minister of ... what ... I guess it's kinda like a state? He is in charge of about 5 million first class citizens and about ... 5 million second class citizens.

Obama has taken enough lip off of this nobody. If he can't follow instructions then just cut him off.

 

GWPOLLEY

3:27 PM ET

November 12, 2010

Michael Weiss's myopia

One of the most amazing things is the way Mr. Weiss is able to write this whole article without once mentioning how the "settlement issue" looks to the non-Jewish residents of Palestine, and how ignoring an entire population that has been dispossessed of its land and homes might, just MIGHT be related to security problems. This is the kind of myopia that comes from learned ethical and moral blindness, a deliberate turning away from reality that is nauseating, reprehensible and dangerous.

 

BUDAHH

5:24 PM ET

November 12, 2010

to all the ones who claim the settlements are illegal

Says who? WHo says they are illegal, and why are they aginst international law?
there was no sovereignty to anyone over that land when Israel had the war in 1967, it was the turks the british the romans etc.. there was never such a thing as palestinian sovereignty over any of that land. now if there is private land than it is a different story. most of the settlements are on land that no one has ownership over , there was nothing there until israel has build it. So why is it illegal?
The international law says you cannot move people against their will and no one has made the settlers go to that land against their will they chose it.
Doesn't matter how much you scream illegal , international law, u.n etc.
IT is just wrong propaganda doesn't change facts, It might not be useful to the peace process because it is an area largely populated by arabs and it makes life harder , and when the palestinians are willing and ready to make real peace Israel will make concessions we are just waiting for the palestinians to come around

 

PADDYP

6:36 PM ET

November 12, 2010

budahh

Israel regularly claims the backing of international law when it suits her. But it is not law which will bring her down. She is a pariah state, propped up financially and militarily by a declining superpower while her enemies watch and wait. The pieces on the board are moving inexorably. A wise population would read the tea leaves and modify their behavior but in Israel there is a frantic arrogance, a discourtesy and rudeness, a blindness to other views which is not be found elsewhere. Sadly, the many decent Israelis may be punished for the lunacy of their compatriots.

"Those who the gods wish to destroy they first make mad."

 

THE EUROPEAN

8:25 PM ET

November 12, 2010

East is East, West is West: observation from Eastern Europe

I am from E. Europe, from that vast expanse where the modern saga of the Jews, the Holocaust, Bolshevism, Israel came to existence where the XX. Century unfolded and concluded.
Everybody was part of that drama, Jews and Gentiles alike, willingly or against their will, for there was no escape from the horrors of WWII.

The founders of Israel were mostly Holocaust surviving E. European Jews, whom were put in concentration camps in Cyprus by the British to please the Arabs.
As soon as Israel was born the British instructed the Jordanian Arab Legion under the leadership of John Glubb (Glubb Pasha) to exterminate the Israeli Jews and it was Stalin who gave orders to the Czech to supply arms to the Jews in 1948.

No wonder today still it's the British and Hitler appeasing Irish who are the most rabid Anti-Israelis and pro-Islamist in the EU.

As the Latin saying goes:
"Tempora mutantur and nos mutamur in illis". -"Times change, and we change with them"
German Chancellor A. Merkel:
""It took more than 40 years for Germany as a whole to accept the responsibility it carries to ensure the safety of Israel,".

The British and Obama can pound sand.
I am not Jewish.
From Hungary, Budapest

 

PADDYP

3:26 AM ET

November 13, 2010

The European

It's amusing to see The European praise Stalin . In his partial account of the beginnings of Israel he omits the Stern Gang, Irgun etc. along with the bombing of the King David Hotel and all the other killings. It's easy to cherrypick atrocities - there were plenty on all sides (Read Menachem Begin's 'White Nights'). But today, when Israeli settlers are no longer eastern Europeans, the atrocities are overwhelmingly on one side.

But he's right about the drama of eastern Europe, where anti-semitism was and is rife. The conversion of the right to support for Israel is very recent and a Hungarian should be cautious about slurs like Hitler-appeasing.

The European knows that anti-Zionist need not mean pro-Islamist - epithets like 'rabid' simply undermine his case.

 

THE EUROPEAN

10:32 AM ET

November 13, 2010

Changing Alliances

As time wore on the world is changing, old alliances are dying and new ones are coming to existence - borne out of necessities.
The Israeli question is part of the clash between the Anticapitalist, neo-Marxist, Multiculturalist, "New Left" - the brainchild of the "Frankfurt School" philosophers and the British Fabian Society - and the traditionalist Conservatives.

Nation States are anathema to the "One World Order" Leftist crowd, they follow Marx's thesis "On the Jewish Question" (1843) in which they deny the right to a Jewish (Zionist) state.

But only a Jewish State is a crime.
Again: Only a Jewish State must be abolished.

Islamic States are OK - hence the Alliance between Islamists and radical Leftists - which has a long history that goes back to the 60-es Red Brigades etc.

What is so hard to comprehend?

Proponents or defenders of the National Identity and Nation-States are from the Conservative Right and they support the Right to a Jewish national homeland called Israel.

Eastern Europeans - after 70 years of "Proletarian Internationalism" - rediscovering their History, culture, national identity, religion!!!! (see Russian Orthodox rebirth) and support Israel against Islamic Sharia totalitarianism.

What is so hard to comprehend?

From Hungary, Budapest

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PADDYP

1:20 PM ET

November 13, 2010

Strange alliances... Stranger assertions

Debating The European is tedious and dispiriting. He doesn't address points raised but introduces new ones, mostly a miasma of assertions which cannot be proved or disproved. And there's some truth in there too, though his idea of left alliances is pretty fanciful. The left, after all, is famous for its sectarianism and inability to agree, but he sees only conspiracy. So answering him is like struggling across a bog. And railing against the left he omits all mention of the traditional anti-semitism and fascist past of his beloved European right.

Most leftish or lefty people I know do not call for the destruction of Israel, but ask that Israel behave like a civilized state. Nor is it the policy of any left organisation I know of, barring a few extremists. My own point was that if Israel doesn't get her act together she WILL face catastrophe - I wrote "a wise population would read the tea leaves and modify their behavior." And yes, in the face of Israeli aggression and annexation I do support the Palestinian right to resist by whatever means necessary.

The European reminds us that Eastern Europeans are rediscovering their history and traditions. I say 'Good luck to them' but wonder what that has to do with this conversation.

 

THE EUROPEAN

5:44 PM ET

November 13, 2010

Personal polemic is off limit

Engaging into personal polemics will degrade the integrity of this publication and the intellectual quality of this forum.
Therefore only a few word:

1. Rediscovering History, national pride and tradition means the rejection of the neo-Marxist Multikulti (sic) mantra whose aim is the destruction of the Nation States including Israel the foremost.
Jews must not have a country of their own.
Saudi Arabia and "Lockerbie" are exempt - I smell oil.

2. The traditional Antisemitism and Fascist past were dealt with at Nürnberg in 1946. and appropriate punishment was meted out.

3. The current anti-Israeli hysteria is organized by the International Left and it's an open - not even a secret fact. It's ostentatious and palpable to the point it's meaningless to argue about it. .
Please read the "Independent" antisemitic rants.
Newspeak dictionary for you: "Jew" is good "Zionist" is evil - then keep reading.

4. Palestine Arabs are only pawns: the King and the Queen are the Arab League: they pull the string.

Closing argument: You cannot conjure up worst catastrophe than all the evil that befell them at Auschwitz.
We Easterners comprehend their will: "Never Again"!
It happened in our lands.

From Budapest, Hungary

 

PADDYP

6:38 PM ET

November 13, 2010

Mittel - European: a personal polemic

Please get back to me when you have a serious point to make.

I've been to your beautiful capital overlooking your beautiful river and I can see you there now - blind to it's glory, sitting in your darkened room and surfing American conspiracy sites. In the street outside the skinheads are beating up gypsies but all you can think of are Marxist bogeymen. Your 'nationalist' Jobbik sickos uphold your proud 'right' traditions while you - an old man who should have more sense - lives in the past. And it's not even the real past.

What caused it? What did this to you? Was it the 140 years when your capital was a Muslim town? Or the Austrians? Or the Germans? Or your own collaborators? Or the Russians? Or your insignificance?

Wake up and smell the coffee. Get a dog and walk and talk with him. Smile once in a while.

Go n-éirigh an t-áth leat!

 

PADDYP

6:48 PM ET

November 13, 2010

more polemic

Oops! The dog doesn't have to be a 'him'; it could be a 'her' or even an 'it'.

Shalom.

 

THEIDESOFMARCH

6:05 PM ET

November 13, 2010

Time to Face Reality

The fallacy that somewhere in antiquity a tribal god "gave" land - which was NOT part of some then specific tribal territories - as a reward to those who would contractually 'believe' in that god, is nothing but mythical illusionary hog-wash.
Within the Semitic region it was then normal for nomadic tribes - along with their animals - to undertake seasonal wanderings. A device normally invented to justify one-sided usurpation of pastoral land tended to be based on mythical guidance, to each particular set of people, from a wholly mysterious some-one 'above' . Since this device was used by various tribes it tended to be often vigorously contested by each ascribing the greater power and wisdom to one's own 'above'. This led to bloodshed too, sometimes on horrible scales. Then came the armies of Rome that occupied the Semitic lands by force of arms, attempting thence to establish order where inter-tribal strife was to be the exception rather than the rule This soon led to a state of insurrection against the Roman occupiers
The Roman-enforced violently unjust diaspora inflicted on the 'jews' around 70 AD caused Jewish migrations to adjoining lands where they came in contact with other peoples, inter-married and very intelligently, prospered. Their departure - from what the Greek Plato figuratively refers to as continued 'existence' in the confines of a deep well - was to the ultimate advantage of the out-flung Jews to become a robust and forward-looking people - though split up in relatively smaller groups - over well-nigh a score of centuries and -ever they found themselves located.
The other side of this 'coin' needs to be viewed too. By sticking to their original 'faith' - as was the jews' cohesive choice - their consequent brilliant forgings ahead caused their new countrymen to be envious of their prosperity and their successes. There we have the emergence of horrid senseless persecutions that started being inflicted - domino-wise - upon the.jews all over.
This was it that then - as we well recognize - what gave rise to the rightful Zionist cry for them to "return to the original lands" in the middle-east..
The rest of this development is recent and well known and needs not be recounted here. Except............
Tto observe that the lands the Jews had diaspora-ed FROM, had for well -nigh a score of centuries been populated and loved as home by their own left behind Semitic brethren - though of differing faiths and whose genetic make-up and modernistic development is known to be not as diverse and efficient as that of their enlightened returning jewish bretheren.
In today's 21st century where religious illusion is generally slowly retreating in favour of mutual respect of ALL religious beliefs, it does not seem logical for the relocating Jews to insist that Israel is to be a "Jewish state". Connotations of un-necessary strife get to be built in as soon as this thought is prioritized - as the way, the guide - within the Semitic region.
It is therefore premised that we start promoting the ONE-STATE solution where Semitic brethren progressively learn to live WITH each other rather than Kill each other. That will be to each others' advantage
One last word.
The resolution of the Middle-East issue - on grounds of religion - is really a a retreat, more than many steps backwards. A good democracy as envisaged for the region can only be based on the illusionary aspects of religious 'theologies' being placed in a safe uncontroversial place. which can only be that of mutual respect.
Insistence on any ones' 'being the one and only true "ordained WAY OF LIFE" will not develop results to the acceptance and benefit of all concerned.
This suggested way ahead will not be easy but in the long run it will be more realistic than the so-called "2 state solution" which we've seen just cannot be implemented.
It is also well-known that a large number of the Semitic brotherhood on both ends is more and more in favour of the realistic secular ONE state solution.
Otherwise do we really expect over half a million Jews to be evicted from the West Bank where they now are so deeply entrenched ?

Under the present circumstances It is up to the USA power factor to start talking to both sides about the obvious disadvantages of the so -called 2 state 'solution' as invalid pie-in-the-sky un-realistic emotionalism.

To unite rather than to further separate is the call of the time.

 

THE EUROPEAN

7:50 PM ET

November 13, 2010

Paddyp: personal insult when devoid of reason

Don't fantasy about me, you don't know my personal background. I am American of Hungarian descent with intricate knowledge of History, culture of that entire area. I am living in Dixieland, USA and the sun is bright.
Now on post-Communist study in Budapest.
As an (ex) student from Paris I am well trained in Communist ideology as well, I bet you not only hate the Jews but the "warmongering American imperialism" as well....

P.S. En ce qui concerne les Gitans je vais transmettre á Mr. Sarkozy vos paroles d'inquiétudes: il lui faut les protéger á tout pris.
Your concern for Gypsies both in Hungary and France is noted.

From Budapest, Hungary

 

THE EUROPEAN

9:55 PM ET

November 13, 2010

Paddyp: The "Jobbik" is your kind of pro-Palestinian party

You are a confused individual:
The "Extreme right wing" Jobbik" party is a rabid pro-Palestinian, openly Antisemitic party - the kind you would fully embrace and coddling with affection.
EU representative Mrs. Krisztina Morvai - "Jobbik" is...from wikipedia:

"Her supporters however, claim that she certainly has a record of being critical of the state of Israel given a sympathy for the Palestinian cause... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jobbik

The "Jobbik" organized a candle vigil support protest in front of the Palestine representatives' office.

Jun 1, 2010 ... The Jobbik party won 17 percent in recent Hungarian election based on ... they are vocal about their support of the Palestinian cause and ...
www.globalpost.com/dispatch/.../hungary-jobbik-far-right-party

The Leftist and neo-Nazis united in hate against Israel in support of the Jihadist.

You are unmasked. Inshallah.

 

PADDYP

5:05 AM ET

November 14, 2010

Jobbik

I'm unmasked, eh? Hardly, though I do confess I was probing to see which rightwing gang you support. Looks like I hit a nerve! And don't you think it's a little disingenuous to sign off from Budapest when you live in Dixie? The location maybe explains your suspicious antipathy to Obama. In an earlier post you were a veteran of the barricades against Russian tanks - now you're 'an American of Hungarian descent.' and 'an ex-student from Paris'. What next - Superman?

But perhaps you're just a kid and I'm being too hard on you. I shouldn't have suggested you get a dog; a cat would be more appropriate. Like you, it has nine lives.

Regards to Sarko.

 

PADDYP

5:18 AM ET

November 14, 2010

Jobbik

P.S. You were right about the 'Warmongering American Imperialism.'

 

THE EUROPEAN

12:06 PM ET

November 14, 2010

Paddp: FYI

There are many Americans who had received political asylum when they escaped from your beloved Bolshevik hellholes the world over.
Yes, we used to travel as well.
So what? What's your point?
Why don't you strap a bomb on yourself and blow up a bus full of pesky Jews.?
Don't hate them: their Bolshevik branch invented your "Proletarian Paradise" and the Gulag. Trotsky (a.k.a. Bronstein) isn't your favorite?
Read more Solzhenitsyn and less Lenin's.
Also the Kenyan Messiah got a beating, you got to be very sad now
From Budapest, Hungary. Inshallah

 

PADDYP

3:18 PM ET

November 14, 2010

Mittel-European

Gotcha! Now I know who your gang are - the good old GOP.

Oldtime Fiscal Conservatives, Neo-Liberals, Neo-Conservatives, Fundamentalist Christians, KKK, Dixie Racists, Global Warming Deniers, Intelligent Designers, Teabaggers, Scaredycat Suburbanites, Wall Street Manipulators, Bailed-Out Bankers, Military Fatcats, Zionist Infiltrators.

What a gang! I'll stick with the lesbians and vegetarians.

I'm off to Clermont-Ferrand on business, will resume as Sancho Panza to your Don Quixote when I return. "Mas acompanados y paniguados debe di tener la locura que la discrecion".

And I care less about the 'Kenyan Messiah' - too far right for me.

Beannachtaí.