God Save the Colonies

Why America should adopt the British monarchy as its own.

BY ALEX MASSIE | NOVEMBER 19, 2010

When British Prime Minister David Cameron told his cabinet colleagues the happy news of Prince William's engagement this week, the Queen's ministers cheered and thumped the table to signify their joy. Many Britons were equally delighted that the prince and his bride-to-be, Kate Middleton, had finally sealed the deal -- evidenced in the acres of newsprint and fawning television coverage. To be sure, the hype has bored many others witless. Some sophisticates even wrote off the matter as "two people who met at university announced their engagement." But it's hard not to miss the point, if banal, that it is important that the heirs to the throne, as Prince William is, marry and produce heirs of their own.

The coming months will see no end to the fawning or resentment, depending on whom you ask here in London. Yet as superfluous as it may all seem to the outside world, moments such as this are an apt reminder that even in the modern world monarchy does in fact serve a purpose. In Britain, the royal family has usefully freed prime ministers from simultaneously filling the monotonous diplomatic role of head of state. In the United States, where the president still fills that post, some paring down is in order.

So I offer a modest proposal -- albeit to a country whose very founding was prefaced by disgust with a king. America needs a royal family: Britain's.

Surely, such a suggestion will seem absurd at first. Britain itself is questioning the cost of the monarchy in these straitened times of austerity. Questions have turned to the scale of the wedding. Could it really cost as much as $50 million? Wouldn't that be "irresponsible" at a time when the government is pushing a program of severe public-spending cuts through Parliament? Is it really necessary to make William and Kate's wedding day a public holiday?

Penny-pinching, however, is a poor excuse for a revolution. Republicans who would abolish the throne will be sorely disappointed if they think that the excesses of flummery and plumage that accompany such royal occasions will leave Britons cold. In 2002, the media predicted that the celebrations to mark Queen Elizabeth's Golden Jubilee would be a flop. Cynicism and apathy were expected to win the day. Modern, democratic Britain had no time for antiquated pomp and circumstance, they predicted.

Yet then, and again today, republicanism is always on the verge of a breakthrough that never quite comes. The jubilee was a triumph and a surprisingly moving one at that. More than 1 million people gathered in central London to celebrate the Queen's 50 years on the throne. Even the Guardian newspaper, which favors an elected head of state, was compelled to admit that the jubilee's success had given republicans "food for thought." It was as if the words of 19th-century constitutional scholar Walter Bagehot had been written yesterday: The monarchy was, he wrote, "the dignified part of the constitution," an institution that "excites and preserves the reverence of the population." Few Britons today might put it quite like that, but the royal family remains more revered than might be thought probable.

Of course, there have been dark moments. Charles and Diana's doomed marriage and the royal reaction to the princess's death tarnished the monarchy's brand. But the Windsors have since been rehabilitated. After a difficult spell, the royal household has proved adept at adapting to the realities of tabloid Britain. They have absorbed Lampedusa's aphorism that "If we want things to stay as they are, things will have to change." (As a reminder, the Queen joined Facebook last week.)

Some of this is doubtless due to Queen Elizabeth's sterling service. In 2012, she will celebrate 60 gaffe-free years on the throne. Prince Charles -- and his habit of pronouncing on political matters -- may infuriate some. But even those who despise the class-ridden trappings of monarchy admit that his mother has done the "job" almost faultlessly. So much so, in fact, that except for the subject of horse-racing, almost no one knows what the Queen actually thinks about anything. The signs are that William -- remarkably well-adjusted considering his parents' trial-by-tabloid marriage -- is cut from his grandmother's cloth. Few think he will embarrass the institution.

Christopher Furlong/Getty Images

 

Alex Massie, a former Washington correspondent for the Scotsman, writes for the Spectator and blogs at www.spectator.co.uk/alexmassie.

IMJUSTHERETOCOMMENT

10:04 PM ET

November 19, 2010

USUK

Wow, this article is dripping with USUK. You really want Al that bad don't you, Iggy?

 

CHRIS SMITH

1:51 AM ET

November 22, 2010

William has said in the

William has said in the English press that he is going to be taking the current financial situation into consideration when planning the wedding so it might not be as lavish as everyone is expecting for a royal wedding which is a shame.

 

HURRICANEWARNING

11:36 PM ET

November 19, 2010

hahahahahaha

Standard dry British humor and watered down nationalism, nice work, really entertaining. Not sure the Author (who I assume is British) really understands Americans though...the mere idea of a monarch is so completely anathema to the USA that frankly, it makes us a little nauseous. Take Canada for example. Most of us secretly make fun of Canadians for being "America lite" by acting all free and proud, buuuut never really getting that monkey off their back. Please dont confuse our womens (any red blooded American male who cares about such things needs to get his manhood checked) passing quizical fascination in your royalty with actual interest. Dont get me wrong, the British system has its advantages, and it may be more dignified (juries still out on that one), but America is an ongoing experiment...and its doing pretty well. If anything, I would say that england is destined to become more like America, rather than the other way around...just saying. But I guess the Author can always dream about how "The Sun never sets on the British empire"...ah but it does, it truly does.

 

BLEEYARGH

4:47 AM ET

November 20, 2010

haha indeed.

In Canada, the monarchy is all but ignored and the queen has no power whatsoever. In Britain, she scarcely has more. If you prefer, imagine that celebrities (apart from Drew Barrymore) came to the office by birth, rather than via Real Housewives. Then, you'd have a better understanding of what monarchy is in the British system. Elizabeth II is symbolic just as Sookie is symbolic. Mind you, the content of that symbolism is a touch different.

The American federal structure is currently flawed, rather heavily. Little is achieved due to small-minded partisanship and a greater interest in preventing the opponent's possible accomplishments than achieving any oneself. One of the most accomplished presidents of the last 50 years was Bush Jr., though likening his accomplishments to positive achievements will largely end in embarrassment. Obama, whatever his talents and honesty levels might (or might not) be, is currently stewing in the classic celebrity melt-down regarding his popularity. Bush would not have needed his team's tactics, nor would Obama be quite so hapless, if tabloid attention (or that of FOX) was being paid to someone who was merely symbolic and largely irrelevant. Then, Americans could be delighted at the beauty of each new royal child, and delighted at their own disgust when it is revealed as dastardly, perfidious, or poorly dressed. Perhaps, then, crises wouldn't be the prerequisite for genuine accomplishment.

 

FREETRADER

9:55 AM ET

November 20, 2010

O Canada!

@Blegharyd, I don't want this to transmute into a cross border smack down, but your standard issue Canuck put-downs of the US reflect the narrow-mindedness and isolationsm that are, sadly, reflective of the worst aspects of Canadian culture.

"Narrow-minded parochialness?" Really? Like, say, the Quebequois and their continuous, rather lunatic, blackmailing of the English-speaking remainder of Canada with constant threats to leave unless their ridiculous demands regarding street signs and language policy are adhered to? "Oh, don't leave me, j'taime..."

It is a fact that your head of state is the Queen (nothing wrong with that, really). Arguing that you 'don't take it seriously' either speaks to either a fundamental misunderstanding of your own constitution, or a complete lack of seriousness of your entire national project. I realize it may occassional be difficult to live in a country that is defined purely by being NOT the United States, but suggesting that your own institutions don't exist surely doesn't help you to be taken seriously.

So, please, don't presume to lecture us ignorant Americans about how flawed our civilization and our constitution is. It is actually working just fine, and we, at least, can be pretty sure our nation will last from year to year (which is unfortunately not the case North of the border).

Don't get me wrong, I love Canada, and Canadians. What I don't like is hearing a lot of anti-American nonsense from anyone, regardless of their national identity.

 

BLEEYARGH

10:07 AM ET

November 21, 2010

Re; Freetrader

Please, Freetrader, don't misunderstand me. I have enormous respect for the structure of the American system, and in many regards, I would greatly prefer many of its features to the Canadian structure. For example, the Canadian system (which parrots the British system) has the serious flaw of collapsing during periods of minority government, which leads to large amounts of spending on subsequent election. As recently as 1979, a Prime Minister collapsed his own government within months by engaging a confidence vote, and was replaced. This is a stupid feature of the Canadian system, and in most respects, the American system is better. I was not throwing stones at the constitution (which is an excellent document)). My amusing claim was not that the American system of government should be replaced by the British/Canadian one (by any means). The claim was, rather, that there can be benefit to disengaging elected officials from a certain species of public interest. In this respect alone, the monarchy in the British style has its selling points.

However, the benefit of the American electoral system has been damaged by the two-party system and the current habits of Congressional politicians to vote with the party rather than with the best interests of their constituents at heart. Particularly, attacking a policy (even if one would hold it also, in reversed position) because of who is proposing it, as opposed to its content, is a dreadful weakness of Congress at this time. America should have the advantage of being able to use its version of minority government (having two or more parties each control different elements of government) to make decisions that people with multiple ideologies can accept. At the moment, it doesn't seem to have this advantage. This appears to be the case because elected officials are acting to impress (rather than to benefit) their electors. At the moment, the Glenn Becks and current crop of Pat Robertsons have the yell-threats-and-whine-at-the-public chair, but there is nothing painting that chair blue or red (or whatever colour Palin might favour).

Unfortunately, you seem to have a basic misunderstanding of how the Canadian system works. While the Queen is nominally head-of-state, she has no effective pwer in Canada. This has been true since 1981, which was the last time that the Constittution was revised. She has effectively had little power since 1931, in point of fact, due to a particular law passed in the UK called the Statute of Westminster. Prior to the statute, for example, Britain might wage war and Canada was automatically at war, also. The Queen's "representative" in Canadian government is called the governor genera. He has had the responsibility to sign bills into law (as the American president does). However, said governor general no longer has the authority (as the president does) to refuse to sign a bill into law. As such, he is effectively a rubber stamp in that respect. The GG has the power to close parliament (though not to dissolve it), but this can only happen, again, at the request of the prime minister (somewhere between president and Speaker of the House). In either case, the GG is not required, expected, or even entitled to ask the monarch for opinion or permission to engage any of these powers. Nor does the monarch have the ability to replace the governor general at will, do his job (such as it is) for him, or in any other way exert power over the government. She cannot declare war or prevent or change a passing law. She is cultural arm candy. This is not a bad thing.

Many Canadians complain about Quebec (if they are not Quebecois themselves). A few even complain that multiple languages are put onto signs. This is not a tragedy or a hindrance or a nuisance. It's a multilingual country (like Belgium or China). Quebec does not hold the country hostage, no matter what the press might have thought in 1984. Moreover, Quebec (or any other province) has the power to hold a referendum, vote, and secede from the country. It's unlikely that Quebec will do so soon (since it doesn't have a sufficiently diverse economy to do so effectively), but it could. So could Alberta, if it wanted to particularly. This is self-determination. Canada's economy would also be wrecked if Quebec (or Alberta, or Ontario) decided to leave. I suppose that something similar is what people were thinking in the north in the 1860s. However, that does not mean that Quebec holds a real trump card, and since one particular government left office in 1992, no one else has thought so, either.

America, Canada, or anyone else may think that Canada is only different from the U.S. because it says so. This is not a good or bad thing, and there's no reason for Canadians or Americans (including you) to sneer at each other for it. Both economies would effectively collapse if they stopped trading, given the enormous volume of trade. America's would recover at roughly 75% of its previous size, and Canada would look like North Korea afterward. Ugh.

More to the point, it is popular to imagine that a country will last forever. If we're free of history, this may well be true. However, there is nothing, apart from language, that makes the current borders objectively important in a temporal basis. In 500 years, Canada and America could be two countries, or one country, or seventeen countries. Countries might not even exist (as they have not for most of history). American stability looks fine at the moment, but that's only true given the current environment. All countries are potentially unstable, whether they wear it on-sleeve or off. May it never happen (or at least, not in our lifetimes).

 

FREETRADER

11:02 PM ET

November 21, 2010

@BLEEYARGH

Ah, the joys of cross-border amity!

Seriously, I'm actually very happy that you responded to my rather aggressive post with a very clear polite response (which, come to think of it, is another Canadian stereotype, albeit a positive one!).

I am aware that the Queen is only a figurehead (and one whom I like and who does no harm). Having lived in Australia for several years, I find the the whole 'head of state' question interesting, but you are correct that it is more of distraction than anything else. I agree that there are advantages, at times, to a parliamentary system - we can see them in the UK right now, where a minority government is pushing through some pretty tough austerity reforms. We could use a little of that in the US. Of course, having a government that is hard to steer is sort of the point of the US system, to avoid the tyranny of King and all, and we seem to keep muddling through.

In any case, it is to be hoped that the US and Canada can provide each other with some degree of positive tension; the US could benefit from some of Canada's prescription drug policies, while at least some Canadians benefit from the US's relatively open labo[u]r markets (since about 10% of Canadians actually live in the US).

In summary, the US and Canada are a couple of siblings that, hopefully, recognize that they need each other (even if, especially from the Canadian point of view, the relationship has a few irritants). As with any set of siblings, there is bound to be a bit of a love/hate relationship.

 

RB12

2:43 PM ET

November 22, 2010

I wish this was a joke

This article is perhaps the most illogical piece of journalism I have read in a while. It would be quite funny in that dry humor Brits do so well if it were in fact supposed to be a joke. However, I don't think Foreign Policy prints humor articles. And even if it does, this is not supposed to be one. Which just leads me to believe that whoever let this through to the presses is in need of some help. I mean really, I am far from the most unapologetically pro-American American. I realize the faults with our system. But this is almost offensive even to me. More than that though, it just shows how naive people (i.e. the author and anyone who legitimately agrees with this article's premise) are about the American system. Unless a dictator came to power in the US vis-a-vis a military coup de'etat, we will never accept a monarchy as our own. To propose such an idea throws all American constitutionalism out the window. And that according to me, is unacceptable journalism.

 

MOOKSTHEOOKS

3:53 PM ET

November 22, 2010

I love Canadians

What? No love for the Québecois...

 

ABERCROMBIEUK

2:35 AM ET

November 20, 2010

It is reported that!

It is reported that the recent Supreme Court of England decided to strengthen the legal effect of a prenuptial agreement. However, it was that, as with prenuptial agreement signed by both parties to assume or expect the same of their failed marriage. This is a negative attitude to life, desecration of the most sacred pledge of human.

 

ADJUST_THE_SAILS

9:31 PM ET

November 20, 2010

If it was not for the US you would be speaking German

Thanks, but no thanks. We're doing quite alright without Britain. However, if your country, without a reserve currency, and with school children who score worse on tests year-after-year, ever needs to be thrown a life preserver we might be willing to offer statehood. We could make Britain a state at the same time as another small economically challenged island, Puerto Rico.

Oh, and here are some young Brits celebrating in Notting Hill:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d3LOcg-PKRA

 

MARCUSIRWIN

7:01 AM ET

November 22, 2010

If it was not for the UK the USA would not exist

Britain is doing fine compared to the USA.

A Smarter population who can smell bullshit a mile away.

Longer life expectancy.

Lower unemployment figures.

Lower Crime.

Dont get me wrong massive immigration in the last 18 years has done some serious damage to our schools / hospital services / and local services in general and the working class population has suffered because of this.

But looks good at the moment that they current governed will fix this.

And dont get me started with Youtube videos :) i can show you probably a hundred American ones that would make you so embarrassed you wouldn't leave your house for a year =).

Anyway i love Americans and America , well i have to my wifes one.

God bless ya
Marcus

 

PUBLICUS

2:25 PM ET

November 22, 2010

Bless ya Marcus

However, the claim the UK is doing better than the US remains to be proved a thousand times over.

Your immigration challenges of, as you say the past 18 years, are a grain of sand contrasted to the successful growing pains immigration experience of the United States over the past 400 years. Most immigrants to the US eagerly and voluntarily chose to leave your land and Europe especially to find a more egalitarian life in the New World of North America. The significant exception is the criminal blight of African slaves which finally is beginning a long striven for significant healing.

You folk in Britain have done well in your only very recent immigration matters given the fact that the British Isles haven't had any significant immigration experience since the Angles, Saxons and Jutes arrived in your fair place 1500 years ago (discounting the Normans beginning in 1066, of whom Jack Straw famously said, "England is an old country, it was founded in 1066 by the French!").

Considering your acutely limited experience in immigration issues, you have adapted reasonably well to recent developments in this respect. Your colonial experience is extensive, your experience of being colonized by immigrants is rather new, so we here in the US of A are watching with interest.

The Brits have adapted throughout history and consequently have learned to be quick to respond to its ontology. Keep up the good work, bless ya mate.

 

HURRICANEWARNING

3:23 PM ET

November 22, 2010

love the UK

You know, I will always have a respect for the UK. But it irks me to no end when people from small European countries attempt to compare their stats to ours. If you want to compare stats, then Maybe choose one of our many states. Simply comparing our country of 300,000,00 people to yours and claiming your is better based on statistics is the height of arrogance/ignorance. The USA is BY FAR the most difficult country to govern in the world, we have the most diverse population on the planet in both cultural and socio-economic terms. Trying to peg us as even being on a comparable level to a single euro-zone country is beyond misguided. Yeah, great, the netherlands and the UK have great schools, and a large educated population...so does Massachusetts. We are dealing on a bigger level here. Not one European country has graduated to the big leagues yet of becoming a true modern day global power (not sure they would want to either...it sucks). So I will accept comparisons of the USA to China, Russia, Brazil (soon), and maybe an India or something...but thats about all Logic allows me to do.

 

KELYSEYRAIN

3:49 AM ET

November 21, 2010

If it was not for the US

Arguing that you 'don't take it tatil seriously' either speaks to either a fundamental misunderstanding of your own constitution, or a complete lack of seriousness sinema of your entire national project. I realize gazeteler it may occassional be difficult to live in a country that is defined purely by klip izle being NOT the United States

 

SAM FROM CALIFORNIA

4:18 PM ET

November 21, 2010

3 systems

I'm sure the Chinese politburo is laughing at both the monarchs and the presidents. Do away with Heads of State all together, let's replace it with a council of secretaries with different powers and responsibilities, a Head of State is an anachronistic idea in of itself.

 

PAUL ZERZAN

11:42 PM ET

November 21, 2010

not funny

Monarchy is the anti-thesis of Democracy. It symbolizes the social values and superstitions of the Dark Ages. As such it is not a joke, it is a crime. Nations with monarchs are in decline and (one-by-one) disappearing.

 

PUBLICUS

3:01 AM ET

November 22, 2010

The United States of North America

Canadian elites know what the US elites know, and what the elites of the EU know, i.e., that because of the economically rising Bric countries and because of the Eurozone, Canada and the US will find it to their advantage to merge as one country, one sovereign state.

There's little open discussion of the eventual union because many Canadians choke when presented with the thought (others wretch), thus making it too hot a political topic in Canada for the politicians to broach much less publicly discuss. But increasingly over time Canadians are clearing their collective throat to get used to the idea. There are inevitable complexities to resolve in forming such a union, which over time will necessarily be amicably resolved.

The British Crown, which maintains its own Governor General in/of Canada (recently chosen by Ottawa but always representing the soereignty of the Crown) and which has a governor general of each province (same), well knows that it eventually will have to let go its dynastic ownership and possession of Canada.

The two neighboring North American economies already are integrated, both English speaking societies are moving closer together. The US now has a national health care system which, while different from the Canadian single payer system, provides a solid beginning towards the same. A recent NBC-WSJ survey shows 75% of people in the US support gays in the military. Further, all the indices show the United States of North America as a powerful economy, a strong democracy, an integrated armed force, a super high quality of life, super high human development index and an extremely high standard of living etc etc.The USNA will be an awesome presence in the 21st century world.

The arguments are compelling, the inevitibility of a union clear. Indeed, the history of North America is inexorably to move away from monarchy whether it be British, Spanish, (Portugese in S America) or Russian. It's called republicanism..

 

CHUCK06

3:21 PM ET

November 22, 2010

A Merger Proposal

The four states of the UK become states 51-54 of the US. The United States increase the number of Senators to 108, and increase the number of representatives in the House proportionally by the UK's population, after overturning US Public Law 62-5. The US amends its constitution to include the British monarchy as our ceremonial head of state.

Possible ideas for the new country's name:

The United Kingdom of the United States
The Democratic Kingdom of the United States
The United States of America and the British Isles
The United States of the World

Manifest Destiny 2.0

 

HURRICANEWARNING

3:33 PM ET

November 22, 2010

awesome. that would be

awesome. that would be awesome. Honestly, that is the answer to alot of our problems though. Economic stability, military power, environmental protection, better education. Countries should join into one...like a Pangea type of nationalism. make it happen sir.

 

FREETRADER

9:22 PM ET

November 22, 2010

I remember that...

guy who wrote "Raise the Titanic" wrote a book about this exact topic. The premise of the book was that, during the darkest days of the First World War, the UK and the US signed a Treaty whereby under certain circumstances, the US and Canada would unite to form one nation. Unfortunately, both copies of the Treaty disappeared and the whole thing was hushed up.

In the book a super spy attempts to find one of the lost copies of the Treaty, which, under the somewhat ridiculous premise of the novel, force Canada to become one country with the US. So, the American hero has to battle Canadian, British, and Soviet (this was the Cold War) spies to win the day. While laughable, the book certainly raises an interesting premise for any American, although, as in the book, it is likely that every other country in the world, including Canada and the UK, would adamantly oppose a US Anschuss of Canada.

I am afraid we Americans will have to wait until "Son of Meech Lake" raises its ugly Quebecois head for the rest of Canada to fall willingly into our grateful arms.

 

PUBLICUS

4:54 PM ET

November 23, 2010

Manifest Destiny -10 on a scale of -10 to 10

Simple minded nonsense. However, as such and you aside, it provokes some serious discussion by serious people. (We just can't take ourselves too too seriously haha.)

A sober consideration and one of the complexities of a union of Canada incorporating into the republican United States of North America is the political balance of the United States Senate. To give an idea of the complexities, in the present US the District of Columbia can't become a state because it's a guarantee that DC voters decidedly would elect two Democrats to the Senate - a Republican Party candidate wouldn't stand a chance of being elected United States Senator from the overwhelmingly black and Democratic Party District of Columbia. This would provide the Democratic Party in the US Senate with an assurance of two additional Senators while the Republican Party would get no additional counterbalancing Senators.

Consequently and accordingly, when Alaska and Hawaii were admitted to the Union of the States, in 1959, it was unmistakably known, understood and accepted that Alaska would elect two Republican Party Senators and Hawaii would elect two Democratic Party Senators, thus canceling any advantage to either major political party of the United States in the Senate. Since being admitted to the Union of the States Alaska and Hawaii have voted true to well known form. Moreover, the same has been the case in respect to elections to the House from each state.

So in considering Canada being incorporated into the republican Union of the United States of North America, a central political consideration of government power is what the new political composition of the new entity would be. What of the Congress not to mention the election of the president. There is the question of a multiparty system in the USNA that likely, but not necessarily, would supersede the present USA two party system. There are a lot of "Democratic Party" type of voters (and philosophically beyond) in eastern Canada, a lot of rightist voters between Toronto and Vancouver. There also is a lot of oil west of Toronto, a lot of social conscience east of Toronto.

Could/should the US Constitution continue with its present three branches of government system or would it better have a radical reform to a multiparty parliamentary system (absent monarchy OF COURSE)? Or keep the present separation of powers system and Constitution but adapt it to allow for a multiparty system within the present framework of the checks and balances of three separate branches, i.e., the executive, legislative, judiciary? (Did I mention there OF COURSE would not be a monarch, that a monarchy is ABSOLUTELY WITHOUT QUESTION UNTHINKABLE IN THE USNA? Did I mention the fact? If I overlooked it, let me make absolutely clear here and now, THERE WOULD NOT BE ANY MONARCHY POSSIBLE IN THE UNITED STATES OF NORTH AMERICA!)

Just for a moment and for the fun of it (nothing more I assure you HRH Sire CHUCK06), how would US Senators two each from England, Wales, Scotland and N Ireland align in a new United States Senate of the United Kingdom of the World (or whatever) you in your wild delusions would envisage? Which among the eight would be Democrats, which would be Republicans; which would be Torries, which would be Labour, which would be Lib Dems; which would be Canadian Liberals, Canadian (New) Conservatives, Canadian New Democrats, Bloc Quebecois; the Tea Party, the NHL Party or whatever? Seriously.

There are many complexities to be worked through to achieve a new republican United States of North America, and surely they can be resolved because they must inevitably be realized, but Senators from the United Kingdom of the United States of America and the World under H/HRM the monarch DEFINITELY IS NOT ONE OF THEM. Next thing we'll know is that you'll be laying the groundwork by trying to make Brad Bitt king of the USA and Angela Jolie queen. (My gay friends anyway tell me the US has too many queens already.)

 

CAONABO

4:37 PM ET

November 22, 2010

Liberty, Equality and Justice for all

The United States of America is a republic, based on laws not men. We got rid of the British monarchy because it no longer represented the ideals of political justice and equality before the law, monarchies being always above the law and being the symbol of the law. Hence the Divine Right of Kings for absolute unquestioned authority in law and in fact.
Then there's the problem of race: Britain's Royal Family must be the last bastion of an a place where only Caucasians need apply to be Royals. And that would be intolerable too for too many Americans besides Irish and German Americans, and Roman Catholic Americans generally, as well as non-white Americans, to permit the idea of Americans becoming subjects (yes, legally classified as subjects bowing before the Royals, not equal citizens standing unbowed with the Queen and King before the law). No, what's acceptable to the British is still an abominable idea when it comes to American ideals of social equality before the law. But we'll surely one day persuade the Canadians to jettison that British institution as well when their complexion gets browner.

 

GROSVENOR

5:02 AM ET

November 23, 2010

Royalty

We already have an entitled, Royal Family; the Kennedys.

 

PUBLICUS

3:41 PM ET

November 23, 2010

Oh really

CT Senator Prescott Bush, his son President George Herbert Walker Bush, his son George Dumbya Bush, Dumbya's brother the year 2000 governor of FL Jeb Bush who threw the election to Dumbya.

This might be mitigated by Barbara Bush, wife of G.H.W. Bush and mother of Jeb and George who the other day said of Sara Palin that Sara loves Alaska so Barb hopes Sara stays there, but the mitigation in this respect does not outweigh the dynasty of the Bush family in US politics and government and their oblivious behaviors towards their mindless destruction of the Constitution.

Fortunately the Constitution of the United States is far stronger than the force of any single dynastic family. None of the Bushes moreover know the suffering of the Kennedys which makes their contribution to the experience of United States of even less value.

 

GROSVENOR

8:33 AM ET

November 24, 2010

yeah

My comment was meant, in part, to be a compliment to the Kennedy family.

The Kennedys navigate the political landscape with grace and good fashion, the way the Royals do. Are they entitled? Certainly. Are the Bushes also entitled? Yes.

 

CAONABO

7:08 AM ET

November 23, 2010

Caonabo

And for Americans who have ever had any experience with the British class system, in Canada, Britain, or the Middle East, it's not so much repugnant the idea of a Monarch as all the little imitators ranking well below the monarch. When even the manager of a shopkeeper begins to demand that underlings behave deferentially for no other reason than rank, we find the true source of the problem of monarchy. It's not the Queen and King that's the problem but the ones that they would generate: All the little "queens" and little "kings" wanting the same privileges and status, all along the rankings of social status in society though on a smaller scale. Even Britain has too many little queens and little kings, as we see in the broadcasts of its parliament's "Question" period exchanges. Long live our democratic republic.
In a famous response often attributed to Benjamin Franklin—at the close of the Constitutional Convention of 1787, when queried by a “A lady as he left Independence Hall on the final day of deliberation, "Doctor what have we got a republic or a monarchy." ?
" A republic replied the Doctor if you can keep it.”
Having just fought a brutal war with the British to remove the tea tax, Americans refused to pay to support a welfare Queen and a tax to support her idle family!!! We continue to want to know what we're buying when we choose our ceremonial and symbolic heads of state every four years, not get stuck with one we no longer want.

 

CAONABO

8:15 AM ET

November 23, 2010

Caonabo

And for Americans who have ever had any experience with the British class system, in Canada, Britain, or the Middle East, it's not so much repugnant the idea of a Monarch as all the little imitators ranking well below the monarch. When even the manager of a shopkeeper begins to demand that underlings behave deferentially to him or her for no other reason than soc ial rank, we find the true source of the problem of monarchy.
It's not the inherited status of a Queen and a King for us that's the problem immediately; it's the hierarchies under them that they would generate: In monarchies we inevitably find little "queens" and little "kings" wanting the same privileges and status underneath them as they display to those above them, all along the rankings of social status on a smaller scale. Even Britain has too many little queens and little kings, as we see in the broadcasts of its parliament's "Question" period exchanges and the unearned privileges that they seek for themselves. We have the same problem in America, the tendency to corruption, but it's never without an immediate solution. Long live our democratic republic of laws, not men.
In a famous response often attributed to Benjamin Franklin—at the close of the Constitutional Convention of 1787, when queried by “A lady as he left Independence Hall on the final day of deliberation, "Doctor what have we got a republic or a monarchy." ?
" A republic replied the Doctor if you can keep it.”
Having just fought a brutal war with the British to remove the tea tax, Americans refused then to pay to support a Welfare King. We now refuse to support a Welfare Queen and a tax to support her idle family!!!
Let us continue to want to know what we're buying when we choose our ceremonial and symbolic heads of state every four years, not get stuck with one we no longer want shortly after anointing him or her after their inauguration.

 

JKOLAK

11:32 AM ET

November 23, 2010

How offensive to think that a

How offensive to think that a nation dedicated to the proposition that all men are created equal would want to acknowledge royalty.

Actually, with the UK about to succumb to Islam, the US may be the greatest of the last bastions of British culture.

 

PUBLICUS

6:03 PM ET

November 23, 2010

The Federation (of the UK Dominion/Commonwealth) of Canada

Where did our friendly neighbors to the North go in this discussion?

Surely Canadians read FP and post to the Comments sections.

I have found however that my Canadian friends do shy away from these discussions of the sovereign reigning monarch of the UK also being the sovereign reigning monarch of Canada, and all of that.

Many Australians in contrast do revel in being the UK Commonwealth that they are, with the UK sovereign reigning monarch simultaneously being the sovereign reigning monarch of Australia; this is also true of my friends from New Zealand.

But Canadians do tend to fade into the shadows when these discussion do crop up. Come out of the royalist closet here and now my Canadian friends. Being originally from Boston, I've easily traveled to Canada many times and spend much time there, and love the place and you the people of the place. Given however that Canada has only two seasons, winter and August, my travel is seasonally limited as I like summer and hate winter. But you folk up there are great. So end your absence here and do come forward.

Now is the time for all good men/women to come to the aid of their monarchy!

 

CAONABO

8:45 PM ET

November 23, 2010

The Federation, of UK Dominion of Commonwealth Canada

A frequent visitor to Canada, I share your observation but I demur to the plea for them (even in jest) that the Canadians shy from supporting their British sovereign. The country has strong ties with the UK through royal associations, infrequent and informal visits not covered in the press by the royal family, loyalist associations, loyalist magazines, other publications, and loyalist genealogical associations. Then there are the annual Royal Order of Canada awards in recognitions of Canadian achievers, community leaders, and politicians, bestowing titles on them; the Royal Mounted Police; and assorted Royal organizations in every province, including anti-monarchist Quebec. Besides the Governor General symbolically representing the British Queen as Canada's ruler,( not its governor), each province has a Lieutenant Governor (Lieutenant pronounced "Left tenant"), thus localizing the country's monarchial ties.

Images of Queen Elizabeth mark postage stamps, coins and Canada's currency. Prayers for the health of the Queen open parliamentary invocations, and as protector of the Anglican Church faithful, she symbolized the idea of the British Monarchy hold on Canadians, extending to even the curious religious designations of its public schools as Protestant or Catholic, an historical religious accommodation to British Anglican Church influence.

Americans find the idea of placing our Constitution abroad in the care of a British Sovereign and a nation that does not have a written Constitution. But Canada does just that The Canadian constitutional values are "Freedom, Justice and Order," whereas our Declaration of Independence aims for the establishment of a country which aims for "Freedom Justice and Equality."Canadians, in stark contrast, are quite comfortable with a link to a symbol of inherited rank, power, and privilege----a social and political state that our Constitution abhors. We've gotten along with the British and Canadian royalists for so long because our polity has been rather racially and culturally monochromatic and anglo-centric.

But when President Obama tossed out the bust of Winston Churchill from the White House oval office, to replace it with ones of Abraham Lincoln and symbols of Martin Luther King, Jr., we saw the faint beginnings of a cultural trend that can only become more pronounced as the country's demographics intensify nationalist belief in American political exceptionalism.

 

PUBLICUS

4:02 PM ET

November 24, 2010

Royalist Canadians don't broadcast their royalism

Indeed, royalist Canadians don't speak openly with those of us from the US of the many proactive royalist aspects, occasions, culture and traditions of their royalist society culture and civilization as you present for all here to see. Canadians do indeed shy from it; keep it in the closet within the borders of the (Royal) Canadian Federation.

Indeed, I'd estimate that fewer than 1% of the people of the United States know of the royalist structures, systems, culture, occasions; strong tendencies of which you speak. Certainly fewer than one tenth of one percent of the global population know of the royalism that permeates Canada as you pretty comprehensively describe it.

Canadians for their own closeted reasons don't project these royalist roots and manifestations to others outside of Canada, to the people of republican United States especially. It's a remarkable modesty, perhaps reserve, on the part of Canadians to be sure.

Keep in mind that that which the UK parliament giveth to their Canadian subjects the UK parliament also can taketh away. To include ultimately and arbitrarily as with any sovereign royal master in a distant land.

 

PUBLICUS

2:16 PM ET

November 24, 2010

As Churchill said

One of the Honourable Sir Winston's many famous quotes is that, "Save for all of the others, democracy is the worst form of government ever devised by the mind of man." His wisdom in this respect is well received and taken, but only with the proverbial grain of salt.

The Right Hon Sir Winston also was a champion of empire, specifically the British Empire. Had he been PM of Great Britain during the final quarter of the 18th century, in league with the British monarchy, the Rt Hon Sir Winston surely and absolutely would have opposed with all of his mighty might the successful struggle and fight for independence of Britain's 13 North American colonies which ultimately became the United States of America.

Had the Rt Hon Gentleman Sir Winston been PM of Great Britain at the time of the US Civil War, he surely would have sided with the hard core racist Confederacy as did the British government and its superordinate monarchy of the particular time.

Which leads us the the most important and significant factor in the history of the United States and the colonies of Great Britain that we were before the fact of becoming the United States: SLAVERY. US slavery was unlike the slavery of the Roman Empire which enslaved anyone regardless of race or ethnicity, and was instead focused on skin color and drawn ruthlessly and brutally from a particular continent, Africa.

Martin Luther King Jr was a magnificent, courageous and inspirational leader who called upon the United States to live up to its constitutional predicate that "all men are created equal." King had many progenitors in this respect, to include among others Stephen Douglas and many hanged black Americans who were the victims of the Anglo racism that was extended to the Crown's colonies of N America by its to this day huge majority of the US population.

The significance of the election of Barack Hussein Obama as the 44th president of the United States has a powerful healing impetus to the worst aspect of the United States, i.e., its history of the heartless slavery of African peoples.

Sir Winston was a man of his time of empire which enslaved many throughout the world and under the sun, to include in the British N American colonies. If Pres Obama chooses to recognize and honor such champions of equality as Pres Abraham Lincoln and Martin Luther King Jr, I fully respect that.

Sure, Great Britain abolished slavery before the Untied States did, which is a circumstance of history, in this instance practically a diktat of history. Most often, circumstances of history are circumstances of self interest and self promotion. Unlike the ease with with Britain abolished race based slavery, the Anglo traditions, customs and society as extended to and in the United States required a more forceful action, i.e., the Civil War during which Britain notably and significantly gave whatever support it could get away with on the Confederacy.

Yes nations have their conceits, and "exceptionalism" in the United States is a particular conceit of the US. Monarchy and RP pronunciation in the UK are but two of the many particular and peculiar conceits of the UK. My point is that each nation has to self recognize its own conceits and to acknowledge that every nation and people have their own conceits. Which is to say that many and certain among us have some additional growing up and maturing to do to recognize and acknowledge the fact..

 

MACCA

9:13 AM ET

November 30, 2010

You Americans and Canadians

You Americans and Canadians should count yourselves lucky...we Irish (and the French, Germans etc.) have had to put up with these arrogant, land invading, lunatic British for years!

Count your blessings that you live thousands of miles away from them.

 

IMPERATOR

12:53 AM ET

December 1, 2010

Every little person feels like they have to be unique, special

I would say there is a unique American phobia of authority, but I wonder if it's not also true of republicans all over the commonwealth, and people the world over. For some reason, they inherently feel insecure whenever there's any notion that somebody might be better off or more privileged than they are, and this is especially keenly felt when it's a legal distinction, as with a monarchy. I hate to disabuse the people of the notion; but the First Family are a cut above as well, even if it's a temporary thing. Louis XIV wishes he had the prestige and power that our government accords the President of the United States!

People seem to insist that the American revolution is special, that we threw off monarchy and inaugurated an age of freedom and awesomeness throughout the land. This is plainly false. I am a patriot, but I'm also a scholar: the revolution was fought for economic reasons and for reasons of self-determination. The colonies were bickering with Parliament, not with the king--it was only after the ties were irreparably severed that the king began to be seen as a tyrant. Yet even as Jefferson drafted his Declaration accusing George III of this and that, most revolutionaries blamed the King's ministers (and they really were an incompetent lot. Lord North was pretty much the worst man for the job.) The majority of colonists didn't care either way, though, as long as they had food on the table.

The U.S. was a slave-holding nation. Our first political party, the far-sighted Federalists, was a party of abolition and a party of gender equality (or at least, less inequality). They didn't care if you were black or if you were a woman: you could vote and participate in public life as long as you had an educated and a stake in society (i.e. owned property). But the Jeffersonians and the slave-holding South was aghast, accusing the Federalists--even Washington--of being Anglophiles and crypto-monarchists. They were, the Jeffersonians charged, aristocrats and snobs--the President himself rode in a carriage, addressed Congress like a king, and held morning levées. In that they were correct: Washington, our first and greatest president, was a monarch in all but name--what was a president, after all? He had no idea--nobody did, he made it up as he went along. So he acted like a monarch, but an elected one bound by a constitution. There was even a "Republican Court" around him--ministers and their wives, the ladies of the first families in particular, got together to discuss the matters of the day and advise much in the way privy counsellors might.

Those who claim we were founded as a rejection of monarchy are wrong: not only did we not fight against monarchy, but our republic was built on the trappings of monarchy before it was torn asunder by the thralls of the slave-holders: they proclaimed a republic of the people, with universal suffrage...... as long as you were a white male. They removed educational qualifications and called this democratic (democracy: the very word was anathema to the Federalists who created this nation--I point out that Jefferson was happily partying it up in France when the Constitution was being drafted) because every white man could vote. Minorities and women? Forget about them, they said!

Then we expanded eastward and committed war crimes against the Native Americans--policies opposed both by the British colonial governors and by the Federalists, but gleefully adopted by the Jeffersonians and executed under the "Era of Good Feelings." Then the arch-democrat, the founder of the Democrat party, Andrew Jackson, committed genocide against the Cherokee.

Lovely times. This is the inheritance of rabid democracy. Our "liberties" were won based on English enlightenment and jurisprudence, but we reject them and call theirs a class-based society. We could only wish to have a head of state as wonderful as HM The Queen. I said earlier I was a patriot: and I am, I stand fully behind our head of state and the Office of the President. I only wish the occupiers of the office would respect the Office in the same way. The Commonwealth realms have the immense dignity of the Queen, where we only have faded memories of The Greats who truly did justice to the Presidency as Fathers of the Nation.

As far as the fellow who called the Kennedys our royalty--hah! When JFK ran for office, he was a nobody--grandson of Irish immigrants. We had a Yankee aristocracy, signified by the man he twice defeated for electoral office (but made full use of once he was president): Henry Cabot Lodge. The old American families are as close as we can get to royalty: Cabots, Lodges, Frelinghuysens, Welds, et. all. can trace themselves back to the colonial period.