Interview

Global Warning

Mohamed Nasheed, president of the climate-change-threatened Maldives, speaks via email with Foreign Policy's Charles Homans about the difficulty of diplomacy, the promise of protest, and why moving his whole country might be more difficult than he once thought.

Foreign Policy: You put in a great deal of effort trying to get the world to understand the importance of last year's Copenhagen climate-change summit. A year later, the U.S. government has basically given up on climate legislation, and the U.N. process seems to actually be moving backward. What do we do now?

Mohamed Nasheed: We need to talk a step forward at Cancún. We need to reach an agreement on a few key parts of the climate problem, for instance on protecting forests and ensuring finance is available for adaptation and green growth in the developing world. If we can demonstrate some success at Cancún, this will leave us in good stead to reach a comprehensive, legally binding agreement at COP 17 in South Africa in 2011.

It is heartening to note that there is a growing group of developing countries that are moving away from dirty development. Ethiopia, Costa Rica, and Samoa, as well as the Maldives, have all declared carbon-neutral targets. These countries want their economic development to be powered by renewable energy, rather than fossil fuels, and I think these pioneering countries should be supported.

FP: You've recently become a vocal proponent of using direct action to push governments to act on climate policy. What can demonstrations accomplish that democratically elected politicians can't accomplish on their own?

MN: Politicians rarely move on an issue unless the public moves first. It is not good enough for people to sit at home and blame their elected representatives for inaction over climate change -- the public must make its voice heard. One of the best ways to do that is to take to the streets and demand change.

FP: How are your plans to relocate the people of the Maldives coming along?

MN: The more I think about relocation, the more I think it is impossible, certainly in the short or medium term. Simply put, Maldivians do not want to leave their homeland. Earlier this year, I visited a severely eroded island. An elderly woman asked me what I could do to save her island. I said that it might not be possible to save it and perhaps people would have to move to a neighboring island. She bit and kicked me! I think it is wise for the government to save for a rainy day and keep some funds in reserve, but we need to invest in sea walls, water breakers, and revetments to ensure people can continue to live on their islands for as long as possible.

FP: It's been a grim year for climate change policy. What's the best reason not to lose hope?

MN: In the past 12 months, thanks to huge increases in Chinese production, the price of solar photovoltaic panels has fallen 40 percent.

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Interview

The Pessimist

Nobel-winning economist and FP Global Thinker No. 30 Joseph Stiglitz was one of the first to predict the global financial crisis -- and has since been one of the most vocal critics of the U.S. government's response. Talking to Foreign Policy's Benjamin Pauker, he explained why he's not celebrating yet.

Foreign Policy: Are you concerned about the Federal Reserve's moves to grow the U.S. economy?

Joseph Stiglitz: I find it surprising that the Federal Reserve has been so slow to grasp the nature of the problems facing the American economy and that their irrational optimism about the economy has persisted. But perhaps that's not surprising. Ben Bernanke was at the Fed in the period when Greenspan was there blowing up the bubble, and he was at the Fed when the bubble broke.

I think a critical mistake that Obama made was in retaining so many of the people that were at the core of the economic philosophy that had contributed to building up the bubble and to the associated deregulation movement. And the consequence was that they tried to minimize the extent of the problem.

We're now almost three years into the recession, and nothing has been done to really repair it.

FP: You've been a longtime advisor to Greek Prime Minister George Papandreou and to other European governments over the years. Are the outlooks for European growth as rosy as we've been led to believe?

JS: It's important to remember that it's a global downturn. What's happening in Europe is going to have an effect on the United States. Right now, Europe is doing somewhat better than people had expected partly because of the weak euro, which has promoted exports, including exports to China. So it's not surprising that they're doing well. But exchange rates are not the solution. It's like a negative beauty contest. It's not about which is the best; it's about which is the least worst. But counting on exports as a way of getting out of the downturn when you have a global crisis seems to me not the best solution.

It really depends on how serious the austerity cuts are. For instance, if there are cuts in education, technology, and science investments, then obviously their economies will be much weaker. It's true for the United States as well. If public investments are severely cut, it's going to be a very slow recovery, and when we recover, we won't have the basis for the kind of rapid growth that we've experienced in earlier decades.

FP: Why have the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan not provided a stimulus for the economy?

JS: In 1937, Roosevelt cut government spending over deficit concerns. World War II stimulated the economy because we stopped worrying about deficits. It wasn't war per se that brought us out of the Great Depression; it was government spending. But today's wars haven't had that effect because they have not been all-out wars. And because they are so contained, war spending -- and our focus on the deficit -- has crowded out other kinds of spending. A Filipino contractor working in Iraq doesn't stimulate the American economy in the way that doing research in the U.S. would.

FP: You were once a very close advisor to President Bill Clinton and chief economist of the World Bank. But it seems that you're almost more comfortable these days being an outsider. Is there a part of you that wishes you were more involved?

JS: That's a hard question. I came from academia and have come back to academia -- and this encourages your ability to analyze things, to call things as they really are. When you're in public office, often you can't tell the whole truth. When a political official talks and says the economy is about to recover, no one really knows whether he believes that or not, but if he doesn't say that, it could have very serious adverse effects on the economy itself and his own career. There is this kind of freedom that one has as an academic that one loses being an insider. At least I now have my summer vacations.

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