Electric Company

Gen. Wesley Clark and Roger Kemp argue that a new superbattery isn't enough to make the electric car viable.

JANUARY/FEBRUARY 2011

In the military, we had a saying: It's OK to take a risk, but not a gamble. In other words, never undertake an effort if its failure would doom your mission. In his article, Steve LeVine does an excellent job highlighting the wild gamble that the United States is taking on electric cars ("The Great Battery Race," November 2010).

The United States currently spends $300 billion per year importing oil. Acting as though electric batteries can spur a new industry, save our economy, and single-handedly create the millions of new jobs we need is worse than a gamble -- it's simple foolishness. It's the type of utopian dreaming that has delivered 40 years of ever increasing dependence on imported oil alongside periodic promises to achieve "energy independence."

Every study I've seen -- and LeVine agrees -- has shown that even if you're hugely optimistic about the prospect for technological improvement, the United States will still need to import between $300 billion and $900 billion of oil between now and 2030. And if we keep sending that kind of money abroad, we're unlikely ever to create the economic growth needed to re-employ America.

Our future rests with energy innovation, but to make up for 40 years of failed policy, we need everything in our tool kit: not just electric cars, but more oil exploration, compressed natural gas, gas-to-liquid and coal-to-liquid conversions, and, increasingly, biofuels. The nearest-term fix is ethanol, and we should invest more in the infrastructure needed to make it work.

Achieving fuel self-sufficiency is vital to our future, and it can be done -- but only by using all our technologies.

Gen. Wesley Clark (ret.)
Little Rock, Ark.


Steve LeVine's article provides an inspired discussion of the political challenge and environmental importance of finding a substitute for gasoline. But LeVine neglects to mention that low-cost, high-energy-density batteries aren't the only thing preventing electric automobiles from becoming, in his words, the world's "great green hope."

Even if we had a superbattery, we wouldn't know how to effectively charge it. The standard North American electrical outlet supplies 1.8 kilowatts: Recharging the equivalent of 15 gallons of gas at that rate would take four days.

Advocates of electric cars suggest specially designed fast charging stations would be the solution. But that overlooks the sheer power requirements. The parking lots at New York's Yankee Stadium hold 8,000 cars. For half of those to recharge fully while the owners watch a game, the parking lots would need 400 megawatts of power -- the full output of 150 maximally sized wind turbines.

Finally, LeVine focuses on the challenges of increasing batteries' energy density, but it's more important to find a way to reduce their cost if they are ever to succeed at entering the mainstream. Relying on a future superbattery is high-risk. A surer option is to go for a smaller battery, perhaps 10 to 20 kilowatt-hours, in a plug-in hybrid that uses grid electricity for day-to-day commuting, recharged at night from cheap off-peak electricity, and biodiesel or ethanol for longer trips.

Roger Kemp
Fellow, Engineering Department, Lancaster University
Lancaster, Britain


Steve LeVine replies:

The countries involved in the great battery race -- most of the world's industrialized countries in addition to several currently categorized as developing -- know they are engaged in a monumental endeavor. There are the laws of physics, which limit their ability to squeeze more power from the lithium-ion battery, as well as reduce its price. There is also the problem raised by Roger Kemp: How will all these batteries get recharged?

Yet, those theoretical challenges aside, scientists agree that the first order of business is the basic battery work. They are trying to make batteries lighter and ultimately remove the expensive metals that drive up the cost. Kemp argues for an engineering approach -- grouping together small batteries (the Tesla Motors approach, too), not getting overly clever about the recharging question (relying on ordinary home sockets), and meanwhile going hybrid with biodiesel or ethanol. All in all, these are sensible suggestions. But it's easy as well to grasp why Argonne National Laboratory and IBM are pushing for lithium air, which could compete side by side with gasoline in terms of cost and efficiency, even if it takes some 15 or 20 years before there is a version ready for commercial markets.

It's a given that none of these proposals is a sure thing. The United States, China, Japan, South Korea, and a dozen others have piled in, but there is no safety in numbers -- ultimately, everyone might fail. But does that mean no one should have entered the race to begin with? Gen. Wesley Clark lists the right options: The wisest strategy is probably to continue working on biofuels, oil drilling, natural gas, and so on, while also trying to crack the battery conundrum.

 

PAUL SCOTT

3:14 PM ET

January 3, 2011

Electric Company

Contrary to Gen. Clark's contention that electric vehicles are a gamble, our experience is quite the contrary. For most of the last decade, several hundred people have had the privilege of driving fully electric trucks and SUVs made by Ford and Toyota respectively. Most of these EVs are located in California, but many have migrated to several states and even as far as Kenya.

To a person, we have found the nominal range of 100 miles to be more than adequate for all of our daily driving. Long distance trips are easily handled with a second car, a rental/borrowed car, or by air/bus/train.

The Obama administration is absolutely going down the right road with plug-in vehicles. The cost of the batteries is dropping fast with economies of scale. The federal $7,500 tax credit brings the cost of the LEAF, for instance, within par for a comparable internal combustion engine vehicle (ICE).

I am more concerned with Roger Kemp's rather bizarre comments about charging EVs. He states, "The standard North American electrical outlet supplies 1.8 kilowatts: Recharging the equivalent of 15 gallons of gas at that rate would take four days."

No one with an EV needs to charge to the equivalent of 15 gallons of gas since our battery packs only hold between 24-27 kWh. J1772 Level 1 charging will provide the driver with about 5 miles of range for every hour of charging. You don't need to wait for the battery to be empty before charging, nor do you need to charge full. You only need to charge enough to get where you're going. Over 80% of Americans drive less than 50 miles each day. That requires about 10 hours of charging on a Level 1 plug. Level 2 (240 volt 15-80 amps) will double the rate at which the car will charge, and if using the higher amperage, the rate can more than quadruple.

Let's take the typical driver who has a rather long commute of 50 miles. They start the day with a full battery, and end the day half depleted. Plugging in to a Level 1 plug, their car is fully charged in ten hours. This is quite doable for virtually everyone who has access to a 120 V outlet where they park their car. If they install a Level 2 charge station, they cut that time in half, or more.

Further, there will be charge stations installed at many place of work allowing for some people to double their effective range if needed.

When I go to the grocery store, my car is charging. I usually get a good 7-10 miles of range while shopping, so I come home with more energy in the battery than I left with.

Same thing when I go to the shopping mall, to a movie, or while getting a cup of coffee. I plug in while doing all of these things and get more miles in my battery.

This is how it will work for millions of Americans.

Most troubling of Kemp's comments was this straw man argument, "Advocates of electric cars suggest specially designed fast charging stations would be the solution. But that overlooks the sheer power requirements. The parking lots at New York's Yankee Stadium hold 8,000 cars. For half of those to recharge fully while the owners watch a game, the parking lots would need 400 megawatts of power -- the full output of 150 maximally sized wind turbines."

First of all, anyone driving to a game at Yankee Stadium would not need to charge at all if they left home or work with a full battery. But, just for the sake of argument, let's say they had a particularly long drive that day and did need to charge. If they are at the game for a typical 3 hours, that's enough time for a good 60 miles of range on a Level 2-30 amp charge station (6.6 kW). These are going to be the most common charge stations in the public sphere. Assuming that very few people will need more than 60 miles of range is a valid assumption. Anyone needing more range can then stop at one of the 50+ kW fast charge stations that will be installed along our freeways and at restaurants, etc.

It's ridiculous to consider installing fast charge stations where they aren't needed. Would you put one at the airport? Of course not. When you fly away, you are gone at least a full day, if not several days. You don't even need Level 2 charge stations at airports, Level one will suffice for 100% of use under that circumstance.

It's easy to try and envision scenarios where EVs are inappropriate, or unworkable for some reason, just as it's easy to envision a scenario for an ICE that doesn't work. What we as a nation need to do is envision how plug-in vehicles can work, incentivize them to get them started, then gradually internalize the external costs of dirty energy to move people away from oil and into EVs that use domestically-produced renewable energy from sun, wind and geothermal sources.

 

KANIELA

7:00 PM ET

January 3, 2011

EVs DO work

Paul Scott is right. I happen to drive one of the Toyota RAV4 EVs that he refers to. I'm in Seattle and have no public charging infrastructure available to me. But I have driven this 100-mile range EV for four years without that ever being a problem. If I have to go farther I take our second car, a Prius.

When I charge my RAV4 EV using its home charger, 20 miles of range is replenished for each hour that it's plugged in. This takes two hours, since my roundtrip commute is 40 miles. This is the Level 2 charging that Mr. Scott discusses. The power for my charger comes from an available dryer outlet in our garage.

Lastly, it is incorrect to compare the number of kilowatt-hours of energy in a gallon of gasoline to that in a battery. The vast majority of the energy in the gasoline gets wasted as heat. Only about 20 percent winds up being used to move the car. Internal combustion engines are horribly inefficient. Battery electric vehicles, on the other hand, are tremendously efficient, with 90 percent of the energy in the batteries making it to the wheels. Authors Clark and Kemp simply haven't done their homework.

 

REDMOND CHAD

8:06 PM ET

January 3, 2011

Odd assumptions

I am all for research in to other ways to make our country energy-independent, but these arguments against electric vehicles are made on assumptions that illustrate a misunderstanding of how they are used. Electricity is not gas: you do not fill your tank once a week. You top off when you are doing something else. The numbers in the article make no sense because nobody will use the cars as described.

I was nervous about buying my first EV (an 8-year-old Toyota RAV4), because it was new. But I got used to it very quickly, and it worked so well my wife took over the car. I bought another one and we both drive electric now. The technology is already here (has been here for a while!) and it works GREAT. Cost can of course always go down; but TCO for the Nissan Leaf looks cheaper than any other car I can think of. Of course it requires assumptions about future costs of batteries and gas, which nobody knows; but given what's happened to them in the past 10 years, I sure know which one I'd rather be buying 10 years from now.

 

ELECTRICLINDA

3:19 AM ET

January 4, 2011

Wild Gamble?

Gen. Wesley Clark indicates that the US is taking a "wild gamble" on electric cars and that the EV effort seems doomed to fail. What is doomed to fail, of course, is our stubborn addiction to the gas-powered transportation paradigm the U.S. has been mindlessly embracing for over 100 years.

Since I have been driving an electric car powered by a residential solar array for ten years, I see electric transportation as a personal reality and public solution -- not a "utopian dream." I agree with General Clark when he states that 40 years of ever-increasing dependence on imported oil has failed spectacularly to move us closer to that other dream -- energy independence.

So even though plug-in cars may not be 100% of the solution, they absolutely are PART of the solution, and a significant part at that. You could say that electric vehicles are "weapons of mass construction" because if even 20% of the American fleet were powered by electricity, we'd no longer have to buy oil from Saudi Arabia and OPEC. Imagine if the $1 trillion we've spent thus far on wars in Iraq and Afghanistan were used instead to offset the purchase of 50 million electric cars for U.S. citizens.

I wonder how many fewer wars the world might see if we weren't forced to safeguard vulnerable global oil supplies? I think I've got part of the answer, and it's parked in my garage at this very moment plugged into the electricity produced by the solar panels on my roof.

 

STEVE F

3:16 PM ET

January 4, 2011

oil is a gamble

Electric vehicles are a wild gamble? My american-built 1999 Ford Ranger EV has been reliable for over ten years. It has transported me many thousands of miles each year, safely, quietly, pollution free and using locally generated fuel. When I think back on all the times I have had to call the auto club for a roadside rescue I feel like driving a gas-fueled car is more of a gamble. Isn't there another military saying that goes something like "use what works"? Batteries work.

Is someone really advocating electric vehicles as the exclusive solution for our unemployment woes? That certainly would be unrealistic as no single industry or technology could do that. General Clark is right to note we need more in the tool kit but needs some experience with electric vehicles before he dismisses them as one of those tools. General Clark, I would be happy to give you a tour.

Although he does not seem to understand how we really charge our EVs I would also like to thank Mr Kemp for recommending the 20 kilowatt-hour battery pack. Mine is a reasonable size at only 21 kWh but I really don't need a second engine. I already drive a viable solution for several of our nations problems. Quit bickering and build some more.

 

TWILIGHT

6:52 AM ET

January 24, 2011

oil is a gamble

I agree wit you. Electric vehicles are made to save the fuel and gives us best performance.
I personally feels that oil is a gamble because it is the main reason for the pollution.

Dump Trucks

 

TOMY09

3:33 PM ET

January 31, 2011

Produce green energy is very

Produce green energy is very hard nowadays, electric company must invest very much money to improve their technology.

Khieu Vu