Berlusconi's Worst Nightmare

The decades-long battle between Silvio Berlusconi and Italy's most famous prosecutor is entering its final round. The prime minister's career and Italy's democracy hang in the balance.

BY PHILIP WILLAN | JANUARY 26, 2011

Last week, the Italian magazine Panorama published a huge photo of Ilda Boccassini, Milan's 61 year-old public prosecutor, on its front cover under the title "Il Vizietto," the Little Vice. The vice in question was not that of the magazine's owner, Silvio Berlusconi, who is the current and long-time object of Boccassini's investigatory ardor. The misbehavior that the magazine intended to highlight was the magistrate's own -- namely, her relentless persecution of the Italian prime minister. Indeed, in seeking an indictment of Berlusconi for the better part of the past two decades, Boccassini has herself become a defendant in Italy's court of public opinion.

Boccassini, who over the course of her career has earned the nickname "Ilda the Red" for both her flame-colored hair and her left-wing sympathies, has polarized a society sharply divided when it comes to the embattled prime minister. An opinion poll published Jan. 23 by the Corriere della Sera newspaper showed that 49 percent of Italians thought Berlusconi should resign because of his latest sex scandal, while 45 percent believed he should not. Boccassini has earned the support of those who dislike Berlusconi: Roberto Saviano, the bestselling author who has a famously contentious relationship with the prime minister, dedicated an honorary law degree he received last week to Boccassini, praising her for fulfilling her "duty of justice." But for admirers of the premier, the prosecutor has become a symbol of the judiciary's obsessive, and self-interested, drive to restore its place at the top of the national political hierarchy.

Italy's judicial officials pride themselves for having essentially been the founding fathers of the current political order, the so-called "Second Republic" that got its start in the mid-1990s. Italy's "First Republic," which was inaugurated after the conclusion of World War II, was ostensibly democratic, but it was never marked by a consistent rule of law. The highest echelons of power were in the hands of a corrupt network of politicians, industrialists, and organized criminals, and little was done to challenge the elite. With the specter of Italy's Communist Party and the threat of Soviet espionage looming large, the judiciary tacitly agreed not to dig into the crimes of leading public servants.

That changed with the collapse of the Soviet Union. The "Bribesville" corruption investigations of the early 1990s revealed to the Italian public for the first time the extent of political corruption plaguing their government and economy. Spearheaded by the Milan public prosecutor's office of which Boccassini is now a part, the investigation forced politicians and top businessmen to testify in damning court proceedings that were televised nationwide. An entire political generation was tainted and discredited by the ensuing trials: Four of Italy's seven existing parties disbanded entirely, including the Christian Democratic Party that had been the dominant force in politics for the previous 50 years. The series of electoral, ethics, and economic reforms subsequently passed from 1992 through 1997 heralded the beginning of the Second Republic, under which the elite were to be held accountable for their misdeeds.

Most of Italy's politicians have consistently been on the defensive ever since, daunted by the watchful eye of the courts. Berlusconi has been the major exception. Some suspect that the media magnate started his political career in the wake of the Bribesville affair precisely to mitigate its effect on his own financial dealings. Indeed, taking the courts down a peg -- most often with dismissive rhetoric, but also by passing laws that shield him and his associates from prosecution -- has been one of Berlusconi's most consistent political priorities over the years.

For Boccassini and Berlusconi, the stakes are higher now than they've ever been: This may well be their final showdown. But with the country's newspaper headlines reaching a tawdry fever pitch and the national government unable to conduct its business amid the din of accusations and counteraccusations, it increasingly seems that the case will be settled in the court of public opinion before it ever engages the attention of a judge.

Boccassini is largely responsible, however unintentionally, for instigating the nationwide furor. On Jan. 15, she sent a 389-page document to the parliamentary authorizations committee -- which was promptly, and unsurprisingly, leaked to the media -- to support her request for permission to search the office of Berlusconi's personal finance manager for evidence that the prime minister had paid for sex with an underage prostitute and abused his office to cover up the crime. Berlusconi's defenders say that the prosecutor revealed her political bias from the very beginning: Whereas the prosecution's request could have been satisfied with just a few pages of summarized evidence, Boccassini's document contains lurid allegations about the prime minister's private life.

Sensing (or choosing to believe) that this was as much a political as a judicial campaign, Berlusconi's mighty media empire -- three national television channels, a daily newspaper, and several weekly magazines -- has portrayed Boccassini's investigation as a witchhunt. The magistrates have mounted a kind of judicial coup d'état, they say, attempting to subvert Italy's democratic elections. "It's the usual attempt by fanatics in the judiciary to overstep their proper role and influence the political scene," Mariastella Gelmini, who serves under Berlusconi as education minister, told Panorama. The Berlusconi camp accuses the magistrates of devoting disproportionate resources to the most recent inquiry: Investigators had conducted almost 100,000 wiretaps in a six-month period, at a rate of about 600 per day.

Berlusconi has testified to the public on his own behalf in a video message that he sent last week to an association of his supporters, the Freedom Promoters, and that was later broadcast by his television channels. In it, he personally accused the prosecutors of conjuring a case against him from thin air, invading his privacy and that of his friends, and intimidating witnesses. It was Boccassini and her colleagues, not Berlusconi himself, he claimed, who merited "adequate punishment."

While prosecutors haven't responded to Berlusconi's accusations that their investigation has been unlawful, there's been no doubting that it has been tireless: Investigators carefully tracked cell phone signals in Berlusconi's Arcore mansion to build a picture of the colorful female entourage gravitating around the prime minister, a technique first used in the hunt for mafia boss Salvatore "Toto" Riina in 1993. And it's no coincidence that the Berlusconi investigation, with its blend of sophisticated technological surveillance and meticulous traditional police work, resembles an anti-mafia probe: Boccassini honed her investigative skills, after all, in the battle against the Cosa Nostra.

Born in Naples, Boccassini became a prosecutor in 1977, cutting her teeth in the 1980s mafia investigations. Along the way, she earned a reputation for irascible stubbornness and moral rectitude: She rarely speaks to journalists and imposes strict secrecy on those who work for her. Some say she was scarred by the murder in 1992 of her onetime colleague and close friend, Giovanni Falcone, the legendary mafia investigator. Boccassini moved to Sicily immediately afterward to help investigate the killers, who were eventually convicted of the crime. But in a speech at a Milan high school in 2007, she admitted that she has never entirely gotten over the loss. "I still feel resentment and anger," she said. "That's not nice, but I have to admit that's how it is."

Boccassini's relationship with the prime minister is inextricably linked to the Falcone case: In investigating his murder in the early 1990s, she came across allegations that Berlusconi, who was serving his first stint as prime minister at the time, had financial ties to the Sicilian mafia. So Boccassini was already familiar with Berlusconi when she was tasked in 1995 with investigating him for bribing Rome magistrates in order to gain control of the Mondadori publishing group. On that occasion Berlusconi got off the hook, because his legan team managed to drag out the proceedings beyond the statute of limitations.

Given that history, Boccassini could be forgiven for approaching Berlusconi's current case with a priori suspicions. But her supporters insist that the investigations of the prime minister are not in any way the product of a personal vendetta. "She subscribes to Falcone's philosophy, which holds that a judge must act without passion, depersonalizing and depoliticizing his approach to his work," said a Milan journalist who knows her well, but did not want to be identified. "She is very cold and detached."

The result so far has been a stalemate: The prime minister has avoided punishment, but Berlusconi's associates have been convicted for crimes apparently committed on his behalf. One of Berlusconi's lawyers, David Mills, was convicted in 2009 for pocketing a $600,000 bribe to commit perjury on his behalf; a business associate, Marcello Dell'Utri, was sentenced last year to seven years in prison for complicity with the Cosa Nostra; but through it all, Berlusconi himself has remained untouched. Time after time, he has either been acquitted, seen the case against him timed out under the statute of limitations, or simply had the law changed to abolish the crime. (Until recently, Berlusconi had made liberal use of an immunity law in order to avoid trial, though that statute was thrown out by Italy's constitutional court earlier this month.)

The pursuit of the prime minister has been a chastening experience for Boccassini. Because of her insistence on holding the prime minister accountable, she and her colleagues have been subject to disciplinary proceedings initiated by the justice minister, and she has watched as other colleagues have been promoted ahead of her. What's clear to everyone by now is that Boccassini isn't easily deterred or intimidated: On Jan. 24, she announced that the latest evidence compiled against Berlusconi, on charges of illegal prostitution and abuse of office, is so clear cut that she will move for a fast-track trial for the prime minister. A trial could begin in as little as three months, and a conviction would undoubtedly put an abrupt end to Berlusconi's 17-year political career.

But Berlusconi can still use his soapbox to try to rally the public against Boccassini and her colleagues. Indeed, the bombastic prime minister has been less inclined to offer sober arguments about the rule of law than wage a scorched-earth campaign to delegitimize the judiciary wholesale. Boccassini may have always claimed to just be a prosecutor, but with the legitimacy of Italy's judiciary threatening to erode under Berlusconi's onslaught, she now finds herself public defender of an entire political order.

 SUBJECTS: EUROPE
 

Philip Willan is a Rome-based freelance journalist and the author of two books on Italy's Cold War history. His website is www.philipwillan.com.

NUMBER 2

8:26 PM ET

January 26, 2011

History Repeating Itself

"Sensing (or choosing to believe) that this was as much a political as a judicial campaign, Berlusconi's mighty media empire -- three national television channels, a daily newspaper, and several weekly magazines -- has portrayed Boccassini's investigation as a witchhunt. The magistrates have mounted a kind of judicial coup d'état, they say, attempting to subvert Italy's democratic elections. "

GEE..WE'D NEVER SEE AN AMERICAN PRESIDENT USE A TACTIC LIKE THAT TO DEFEND HIMSELF, WOULD WE, MR. CLINTON?

 

MATT_Z

9:04 PM ET

January 26, 2011

The 2006 movie "Il Caimano"

The 2006 movie "Il Caimano" ends with Berlusconi exiting a tribunal after a trial and inciting a mob against the judges. My fear is that it was a correct premonition.
The truth is that in Italy, as in other European countries, rule of law and democracy (intended mostly as plebiscites) are becoming increasingly antagonist terms.

 

THE GLOBALIZER

5:20 PM ET

January 27, 2011

Worst nightmare? Please.

Berlusconi relishes the attention. Love him or hate him, he's a media genius -- you won't defeat him at his own game, and certainly not for frolicking with cute young girls.

 

MICKEY4378

11:20 AM ET

January 28, 2011

It's a problem, however, when

It's a problem, however, when said cute young girls were underage and Mr. Berlusconi was married at the time. And for all the influence he wields over Italy's media, it seems that even that is not enough turn public opinion in his favor.

 

MATT_Z

2:19 PM ET

January 28, 2011

Rather, the problem is that

Rather, the problem is that because of his sexy parties the prime minister of Italy is now blackmailed by who knows how many girls to keep their mouths shut. Right now him and his media apparatus are trying to distract everybody by making up some story about his arch-enemy, Gianfranco Fini.
It would be laughable if it weren't so tragic.

 

FABIO BULFONI

6:48 AM ET

January 28, 2011

Is that really true or is, rather, an already seen story?

To judge the whole story of Silvio Berlusconi as a politician, one need to separate his/her own's thoughts and to be an honest and sincere evaluator of facts.

Then it is necessary to keep in mind that Italian political and judiciary systems have their own features.

Judges are not elected here, but they are civil servants.
Judges can take part to their representation Council (Consiglio Superiore della Magistratura) by means of delegation, inspired by ideolgies.
Judges can be evalutaed only by judges, judges do not respond to any other power.
Everybody have to respond to judges.
Judges decide which crime to hit and which not, depending on their evalutation.
Judges are not held responsible for the mistakes they commit.
Judges have a terrible power.
The majority of judges in their Council is of the left side ideology.

Before becoming a politician, Silvio Berlusconi was justa a successful entrepreneur, generally appreciated and often shown as an example.

After the "1st Repubblic crisis", developed by Mailand Court to fight corruption between the society and the political system, only one side of the political range was hit and many parties were dissolved.

The Communist party was not investigated, while were evident many proof and events which nomrally would have led to indictment.

Several figures hit by this survey suicided while in jail.

In 15 years of presence of Silvio Berlusconi in the political scene, he was hit by tens of surveys and legal acts.
Almost none of these acts of Judges against him led to a sentence against him and have lost in "it is not a crime", "the fact is not true" and in the time limit given by the law to judicial prosecution.

It is a matter of fact that on every important event for Berlusconi's Governments, he received the so called "comunicazione di garanzia".
This is a mandatory act with the purpose to inform somebody that judges are investigating on him and for what reason.
This act is in favor to the persona, but in has become as itself a kind of sentence, under the absurd that "I investigate you, so you are guilty".

Italian law prohibits the diffusion of information about a judicial survey and the people involved to the media.
Nevertheless, media receives, from inside the Courts, informatiom, copies of acts and transcripts of phone tapping, even before that the interested are informed.
Then the media do what their purpose is.

None of the italian media is indipendent.
Silvio Berlusconi owns three general TV's a few daily and magazines.
Other entrepreneurs and even political parties own their slice of the medias and it is not an absurd to say that tha majority of media is against Berlusconi.
In regard to Italian State TV's RAI, first channel is moderately against Berslusconi, second channel in moderately in favour, while third is disgustingly against Berlsuconi.
I can say trhat the purported control of media by Silviuo Berlusconi is a mith.

Anybody watching TV and reading press can state this, if he/she is an honest person.

Said that, the recent facts are the stronger attack by Mailand Court to Silvio Berlusconi are led in a very controversial way.

Hundreds of people having contacs with him and visiting his private house where phone tapped and monitored, until somthing useful to build and accuse, regardless of what could sort out.

The girls said to be "prostitutes" at his service denied that during Berlsuconi's lawyer defense, which is a legal act.
Most of the accused seems to be to be proofed, actually.

Apart of the facts, one thing is clear: that part of Italian Judiciary system belongs and is functional to the left wing of the Italian political system.
None can say the contrary.

Nobody seems aware that many people had the judges looking into his/her own's keyhole, without being informed has the law provide, at the costs of Italian citizens, just to wait until something looking good to fight Berlusconi was found.
People's private life was thrown in the open spaces and an international scandal created.

Italian parliament yesterday denied Mailnd Court the permit to execute a search in the office of Berlusconi, being the competence of this whole legal action of the Parliament and not of Mailand's Court.

Another important issue is that in the same buildings Silvio Berlsuconi met foreign leaders and entrepreneurs and that also the mobile phone cells tapping was active.

I strongly believe that nowhere in the world, the private residence of a Government's leader could be object of such a search and survey.

Then, it is not vene sure that all this destructive action against Silvio Berlsuconi could led to an indictment, because we are here discussing of preliminary searches, still and yet to be be scrutined and then, maybe, a Judge could decide to take the issue as an indictment.

Of course, most of the wanted result of Judges is already caught: disturbing the Government's action, promoting a bad image of Italy's and her politics and so on.

Who can take advantage of this?
Nobody knows.

Apart of all, right now and regardless how good or bad Silvio Berlusconi is, it is absolutely sure that nobody else could form a new Government without him and his party, that the Government has got new victories against the opposition even in this choas and that nobody else would win new election.

The bad is that if, as most of Italian believe and are sure, the things of which Silvio Berlusconi is accused will prove to be false, then that Judge Ilda Boccassini will not have and bear any consequence.

 

MATT_Z

2:25 PM ET

January 28, 2011

I wanted to reply point by

I wanted to reply point by point, but it's impossible. You are just repeating the Berlusconian propaganda which is a deep distortion of history and civic education.
You represent the reason why Italians truly deserve the product Berlusconi.

 

MATT_Z

2:56 PM ET

January 28, 2011

Ok, you know what? It really

Ok, you know what? It really bothers me that on an international publication you could publish this crap, so I'm going to correct you in exactly 10 points.

1. Judges do have a terrible power in Italy. It's the power to apply the law in a lawless country, fighting against corruption and the mafia. They are completely independent from other powers because they are the ones checking on the system. If they were subject to the executive (as Berlusconi wants), it would be the end of the rule of law in Italy, as the country's founding fathers realized after WW2.

2. Berlusconi came into politics because Bettino Craxi, Italy's leading politician, fled the country one day before he could legally be arrested because of corruption. Once he was out of the picture, Berlusconi had no more friends in the political system to allow his abusive media empire to keep on broadcasting. When he did come into politics he was in a ton of debt and risking a lot. He went into politics because he had to, or he would have ended up in jail.

3. 15 years of Berlusconian re-education had us convinced that the judiciary destroyed the Italian political system at the beginning of the 1990s. It wasn't the judges who ended the 1st Republic. They just made public a system of bribes and corruption in the Italian system and cleaned it up. There were no innocent politicians which hanged themselves in jail.

4. Berlusconi was never condemned because either he abolished the crimes or delayed the trials so much that the statute of limitation expired. Or, even better, he sometimes shortened the period just so that he would not be condemned. I find it ironic that 2 of his closest collaborators were condemned for corruption to favor him but people like you can still believe he is innocent. Ever tried a connect-the-dots?

5. The Italian media is indeed not independent. Out of 7 channels, Berlusconi directly controls 3. The 3 state-owned channels are notoriously dependent on the parties in power, so right now very influenced by the PDL and the Lega. The first is clearly pro-Berlusconi (the TG is becoming more and more just a propaganda machine), with the third left-wing and the second one somewhere in between. This is not a myth, it's pure reality. Oh, and did I mention that they are making a living hell for Murdoch's (yes I can't believe I'm defending him) Sky channels to become a fair alternative to his media system by imposing higher taxes on his channels than on Berlusconi's?

6. The buildings were Berlusconi met world leaders were also the same buildings where he had his orgies with underage girls. You can't imagine Obama or Merkel being wiretapped like him? That's because THEY DON'T BREAK THE GODDAMN LAW.

7. Judges are not "loooking into the keyholes of people". This is the real myth by the Berlusconian propaganda machine. There are procedure they have to follow to conduct an investigation and they are supervised during. And these procedures are way more complicated than the FBI would have to follow in the States, just to give you an example.

8. The refusal of the Parlament Commission to allow investigators to do their job is just an example of how politics, in Italy, is way more important than the rule of law.

9. The objective of the judges is not to disturb the Government or to ruin Italy's image abroad. Their objective is to apply the law. Is it so hard to understand? Don't break the law, and you won't get in trouble. And a supporter of Berlusconi's should have very few things to say about ruining Italy's image abroad.

10. You know what the best part about the media distortion in Italy? It's that the television and Berlusconi's newspapers have stopped reporting what the publications are indeed saying. They are just reporting the reactions, never the contents. You ever noticed that? I guess not. That's the greatest achievement of Berlusconi. His supporters don't defend an idea, or an institution. They just defend the Man, whatever the cost.

 

ESDEETEE

4:09 PM ET

January 28, 2011

Hat off

You really nailed it, sir.

 

EP_7719

7:19 PM ET

January 28, 2011

Thank you Matt!

Thanks for the detailed answer. I just wanted to add one of the consequences of "defending the man at all costs".

Well, one of the consequences is to look so incredibly stupid in asserting that Mr. Berlusconi truly believed that his 17 yo girlfriend, a girl that he called Ruby, was truly the niece of President Mubarak. That is the motivating factor behind the Parliament denial of authorizing the search of the accountant's office in Milan. Berlusconi's supporters can say, with a straight face and without bursting in laughter, that because Berlusconi thought that the girl was Mubarak's niece, when he called the Milan police to have the girl released, he was doing so as a Prime Minister who is attempting to save Italy's international relationships with Egypt.

If you think about it for a moment, you'll find yourself with two options:

1. Berlusconi's version is complete rubbish and he is a liar.
2. Berlusconi believed that a 17 yo lap dancer and prostitute was Mubarak's niece and "saved" her by entrusting her to another prostitute.

You choose which option is the best one!

 

FABIO BULFONI

5:12 AM ET

January 29, 2011

I do not comment about Countries I do not know

Sirs,
I understand that it is difficult to agree that a different version of the international media "propaganda" is possible.

I am Italian and live in Italy.
I do not comment about Countries I do not know, sirs.

How many of you who strongly commented my contribution to the discovery of a possible truth have evere been in Italy, lived in Italy, studied in Italy and so on?

So from which sources do you get the information you trust to?
I would not be so damnly sure of your convincements....

Italy it is not a lawless Country: if one is not Silvio Berlusconi law is applied in a ordered way.
The prosecution of crimes here it is not automatic: Judge of preliminary investigation have the power and the right to decide wheter and who to investigate.

Then, the most important issue is that we are here discussing about investigation, not about facts.
What we are discussing here it could well be refused to be prosecuted by a Judge.
What people believe it is facts it is indeed the judgement of a preliminary investigation, which has to undergo scrutiny and process.
Most of what accuses Mr. Berlusconi right now, has been already denied by the same witnesses in the defense of Prime Minister.
So, we are right now at one word against the other and in presence of perjury.
Some of the "prostitutes" filling this story are already undergoing scrutiny for perjury and could undergo a process for this crime, under the request of the same Mainland Court.

The bad in this story is that in this case it was not found a crime and then searched the evidence.
It was done a "fishnet" mobile phone tapping, regardless to who, for one year.
Then the judge of preliminary investigation has come to the belief that in the mass of collected data there was something good to hit Berlusconi.
This is plain and clear, as many opposition's commenters confess.

1 question: is it really possible that one single man, thresholding the door of politics changed himself from Example for the Country to one of the worse criminal?
2 question: is it really possible that nobody else did any crime and that in Mailand they look only after him?

Government does not control TVs, the directors are appointed by Parliament, so by parties, in a kind of sharing.
Then, any media, press, juornalist can write about Berlusconi and about any other person everything and its contrary, without any consequence.
Is that a sign that in Italy we lack of freedom of speech, thought and press?
Not in my opinion...

To those two or three experts of Italy who strongly criticized my view, do you ever know that in term of fighting the various mafia, this last Berlusconi Government has collected arrests, seizure and other legal action more than the total sum of the various Governments we had since we are a Repubblic?

Would a criminal Prime Minister do that?

Does I have the right to feel that he has got under the eyes of a balanceless and controlless power as the Judiciary is in Italy?
At least, how many of the 96 accuses he already collected led to a punishment?

Is it this because he bought Courts?
Is it because he has good lawyers?
Is it because the accuses could not pass scrutiny?
Is it because Judges are unskilled?

Can anybody answer?
If the Prime Minister of another Country would receive a similar treatment, would that judge conserve the job?
It is simply out of any imagination to believe that in France, Germany or the USA the Prime Minister could be phone tapped and investigated, not because he committed a crime, but only to search if he committed one and which.

As an example, the french Mr. Sarkozy was well known for betrying his wife and was often in the gossips.
This is history.
Now he is the President.
Does his attitudes changed?
I guess that no.
Simply, nobody, in France, can phone tap him.
Once he will be out of power, he would possibly be indicted and prosecuted, if it is the case.
But nothing come out while he serves.
13 French journalist were recently expelled from the order of journalist for having pubblished documents coming from a Court...

Also in Italy it is a crime to pubblished Courts documents, which can be pubblished with limitation and under conditions.
Nevertheless, the Courts allow those documents to go outside.
Is that wrong to say that the Courts themselves are criminals, too?
Then, when the media get the documents even before that the relevant body, party or the interested get the mandataory legal information, does not see any plan in this?

Mr. Berlusconi does not need my defense.
I just want to make visible tha same doubts that many and many Italians have about the story of Mr Berlusconi as politician.

I do not want to bother you all further, but just keep at mind what Italy is for the world as history, colture, economy and other.
That will not have been happened if Italy is a lawless Country.

Another point that nobody addressed it is that no other person or party could get the power in Italy.
Just this morning they showed in a "opposition" TV different surveys between Italian people:
- the vast majority feel is convinced that Berlusconi is under the attack of ostile powers,
- the people interviewìed confirm they would vote Berlusconi again

As a matter of fact, after this latest story, yet to be proofed it is true (never forget), the surveys show that the popularity of Mr, Berlusconi is at least untoched and in some cases increased.

This could show that the more the Judges attack him, the more in power he will stay.

The one sure result of this facts is that it has caused an increas of the stereotyped bad reputation of Italy and her citizens.

 

MATT_Z

7:16 AM ET

January 29, 2011

You're making it easier on me

You're making it easier on me now. First of all, I am italian as well but live in another European country. I get my information from italian media, including television, and I have several friends in Italy. So unless Italy has become some kind of secret club where facts are a membership-only kind of thing, I am informed on the political situation. Your statement about an "international media propaganda" deserves just a big LOL.
Let's start again, point by point.

1. Judges and investigators are not free to choose in the prosecution of crime. They are obligated to investigate and prosecute the worst crimes, as in any other western country. Oh, and by the way, it was actually Berlusconi's government which suggested to abolish the compulsory prosecution of crime and make it facultative. Law is not selective, even if Berlusconi stated that he is "more equal than the others".
And it is the judges, along with the police, which actively investigate and prosecute the Mafia. Through wiretappings as well, by the way. It is the judges and policemen which risk their lives everyday doing that.

2. We are discussing about the investigation, of course. But do you sincerely believe that dozens of girls were just lying talking to their friends on the phone? What, they knew they were being wiretapped? From these wiretappings we know that Berlusconi has been giving thousands and thousands of euros to girls just so that they would keep their mouth shut. Or we know that a regional politician literally wrote "he is being a son of a bitch just in order to save his flaccid ass". Or a witness which said that she was invited to his "harem" for his hard core sex parties, accurately describing them. Just to name a couple.
You can't sincerely believe, without a doubt, that Berlusconi is completely innocent. That's so naive it borders on delusional.

3. Your two questions are riddiculous. COME ON. First of all, you should tell me when Berlusconi ever was the "Example of a Country". When he embarrassed every foreign politician besides his buddies Putin and Gaddafi? When pictures of him and Czech Republic's prime ministers naked ended up on every newspaper, with him feeling up girls seated on his lap? Maybe we have a different conception. If you are happy with a misogenous machist old man, you probably do deserve him. Your second question is even worse. Are you seriously convinced that right now every judge in Milan is working on Berlusconi? I suppose they stopped giving parking tickets as well, probably.

4. The government party does control the media in Italy. And since Berlusconi IS his party (there is no kind of internal discussions or critics in his PdL party, either you are with him or against him, Fini docet), the government does control the media. Just a couple of days ago the general director of RAI intervened in a political talk show to express his dissent about the show. The thing is, he did it before they had even said one single word. That's the italian media. It's a system of preventive condemnation and self-censorship. And any critic is perceived and condemned as left-wing, even if it comes from conservative journalists.

5. So Berlusconi's prosecutions are now 96? I heard 28, 56 and 106. But the thing is, you don't even care to read what he was investigated about or why he got out of trial, do you? You just like to watch him smile from the podium attacking magistrates, waiting for signals for you to applaud. I doubt you ever read a single sentence or fact. You just read what he and his journalists think about the allegations. Facts are irrelevant in Berlusconi's plebiscitary conception of democracy.
By the way, yes he had one of his collabotors bribe judges in order to get the biggest editorial company in Italy, Mondadori. And he bribed a lawyer to give a false testimony in another trial. Both were condemned for it, read it up.

6. If it ever came out that Sarkozy kept orgies with underage girls, do you seriously believe he would still be in power as if nothing happened? SERIOUSLY? And by the way, Sarkozy never abused his office by ordering the release of one of his girls from a police station as Berlusconi did. You don't have a very good sense of perspective, do you?

7. I am perfectly aware that if elections were to be held tomorrow, he would probably get elected again (with a somewhat unstable Senate however, but nothing a good bribing of MPs can't fix, as it did with Prodi's government). And you know what? I don't give a damn. If you italians don't have any sense of shame, just as Berlusconi doesn't, you truly do deserve him.
What I am observing however is that they're trying to make it look as if the country will collapse without Berlusconi. What, is he supposed to stay in power for life because you can't live without him?

 

EP_7719

7:53 AM ET

January 29, 2011

Dear Fabio

Dear Fabio,

I reply in English just as a form of courtesy for other readers. I could respond in Italian as I am Italian. I moved to the US in 2006 and come back every year, at least twice. As far as my Italian sources, I form my opinions reading numerous newspapers and listening to various news shows. In my browser, I have bookmarked the Corriere della Sera, Repubblica, Libero, La Stampa, Dagospia, Il Fatto, Il Giornale. When I can, I watch the news from Rai Uno, Canale 5, La 7, and various talk shows... (even Kalispera, if he is hosting some relevant political debate). As far as American sources, well, lately it has been a bit embarrassing to hear about Italy through CNN, NPR, and BBC newscasts.

But all this sources do not matter when it comes to reason with my own head. I proposed you two interpretations/options regarding this latest scandal that have nothing to do with the investigation, the phone taping, and the communist judges Berlusconi is battling since his first political appearance (I am not sure about the "Example for the Country" idea, but let's leave it at that). Instead, they have to do with the morality and even the intelligence of Berlusconi first, and of the Italian people next. Do you REALLY believe the story of the niece of Mubarak???

See, I do not want to change you opinion, but I invite you to think with your own brain. And also, you too should tell us which sources you have because some of your considerations resemble way too much to the government gospel everybody in the political majority repeats everyday.

Just two examples. First example:
"To those two or three experts of Italy who strongly criticized my view, do you ever know that in term of fighting the various mafia, this last Berlusconi Government has collected arrests, seizure and other legal action more than the total sum of the various Governments we had since we are a Repubblic?"

First short answer, yes, I know. Many arrests of criminals who had been hiding for 5, 10, and more years have happened during Berlusconi's government. Is this really a success? To find even all the hiding criminals judges have on their lists in Palermo, Milan, Naples, Reggio Calabria... Do you think, Fabio, that once they get all of them, the criminal groups will just disappear? Well, I can tell you that I don't think so. I don't even think that getting a criminal who has been convicted and was able to exert is criminal power for other years after the conviction is really a success. Is more a proof of the inability of fighting against mafia in a proper manner. Fighting mafia is not just arresting people. Politicians, in particular local politicians, could do much more by behaving in moral and legal impeccable ways, by refusing dealing with societies and corporations of dubious ownership, and by promoting education and job growth. On top of these considerations, if there is some merit in arresting criminals, it belongs to judges and policemen, not to the government (at least not only to the government). I remind you that one of the most important "latitanti" of Italian history, Bernardo Provenzano, was arrested under Prodi's government. I don't remember Prodi or any of his ministries going on television bragging about it. Finally, where did you gather your comparing numbers? I'll be curious to see these statistics you cited.

Second example:
"Government does not control TVs, the directors are appointed by Parliament, so by parties, in a kind of sharing.
Then, any media, press, juornalist can write about Berlusconi and about any other person everything and its contrary, without any consequence.
Is that a sign that in Italy we lack of freedom of speech, thought and press?
Not in my opinion..."

Oh God, where to start! So, go read the Freedom House assessment of Italian Press (I would put the link, but I don't want to trigger the spam filter). In short, Italy has been declared a partly free country when it comes to freedom of speech and press. But is that true that journalist can say whatever they want without consequences? Does the name Enzo Biagi reminds you of something at least unhealthy for a free and democratic country? Is it normal that the Prime Minister telephones to a journalist to tell him that his show is untruthful and orders one of the members of his party, who is present at show to defend him repeating the same old gospel you repeat, to stand up and leave? (This has happened repeatedly during Berlusconi's governments, but the latest case regards the journalist Gad Lerner and his show on La7). You talk about the US or France, and you even warn us about talking about countries that we don't know, but have you ever heard of Obama calling Fox news or Sarah Palin calling NPR? That just doesn't happen. In a healthy democracy, then, not only journalists are free of asking questions and posing problems, but they even get answers from politicians! In Italy, if they ask certain questions to certain people, they get intimidation and discredit in return. Ever wondered why Berlusconi does not go on television for debates instead of calling in or sending video messages through his own numerous media channels?

I'll stop here. I am already seeing you, Fabio, replying to this message. I anticipate you that I am not going to reply back if you do so. That is because, again, I'm not trying to change your mind or convince anybody that you are wrong. Surely, it is not for lack of argument. I could go on for hours, it's pretty simple having heard your same arguments for years... but I have a whole day in front of me and a long to-do list. So, good luck Fabio, I hope your President Pangloss will keep his power and his ability to make you believe that you live in the best of all possible countries.

 

FABIO BULFONI

5:21 AM ET

January 31, 2011

Every citizen is equal to the others

I end here.

Every citizen is eqaul to the law.
Politician have a special status due to their charge in the Parliament.

Prosecution of crimes can only happen if the crime happened and not executing general and unlimited searches in order to find IF a crime and which was committed.

The relevant Court for Members of Govenrment is the Court of Ministers.
This Copurt is created by extracting judges as a lottery.
Parliament has already denied Mailand Court the permit to execute searches in the office of Mr. Berlusconi Secretary, as this is designated as his political residence.

Then, nobody seems to remember that the system works this way:
I believe that you commited a crime, then I have to prove it

It is not like: I believe that you committed a crime, so defend yourself!

It is not any relevant if I believe that a girls is or not a niece of Mubarack and what I believe the money the girls received and why.

I insist that these is what Ilda Boccassini and companions state.
But it is not sure it is, it is what mailand Court say.
I do not even read that mountain of shit they use to charge Mr. Berlusconi.
It is useless.
So, the regular way things have to go is that what Mailand Court say still need (thank God!) to be confirmed by proof, evidence, witnesses and so on.
The way this story developed has already created a big mess.
They already write a sentence for this even if the process is not yet happened,
To be honest, it is even possible that this process will never happen, due to the evident irregular way to conduct the investigation.

Mr, Berlusconi is a citizen like any other.
So he HAS the same rights of any other citizen.
Included the freedom to stay naked into his own properties, to meet whoever he wants, to give money to who he likes to, to have parties and even orgies and whatever.
He HAS the right to meet prostitutes, if he wants.
This has NOTHING to do with his role.
This has NOTHING with breaking the law.

He will face the Court of Ministers, and there he will show his position and point of view.

What happens after that it is not in my powers and I am not a magician.

I still say that for Judges and "the free press" Mr. Berlusconi is already guilty.

And, yes, before getting into politics, Mr. Berlusconi was pointed as an example.

As the Police Officer in charge already stated, this was confirmed by a sentence of teh Higher Court, Mr. Berlsuconi NEVER asked that girls to be freed, never applied his power in that direction and the accuse was made to fall.
So, what are we talking about?

It is about gossip looking as "evidence", about "I eard this and this".

One could say: "we have the wiretapping".
Well, in other stories it already happened that wirettaping was excluded as a "proof" (actually it is not) because it was collected without allowance, or because the transcripts were unfaithfull.

So, this story has yet a very long way to go.

But the guiltyness sentence is already written.
Unfortunately, by "judges" and "the free press".

That is it.

Anybody free to believe different.

 

SOLENCKO

10:41 AM ET

February 1, 2011

poor Italy

You know that in the tv channel "La7" (owned by De Benedetti, the left hand "Berlusconi") there is an advertisement showing Geddafi and other "not really democratic" people including Berlusconi all together? It is normal for a democratic country to have the prime minister compared to dictators around the world?
It`s normal that from more than 2 months politicians are just talking about Berlusconi`s scandals as well as 90% of newspapers? There is anyone doing politic i.e. the job they are payed for? Why we pay these people? For doing what exactly?
We have many problems in Italy and none is doing something for solving them...I guess they are too busy trying to take the power instead than thinking about people....of course they identify problems with Berlusconi, eliminating him eliminated problems...poor Italy....I hope people still have brains to think...I still trust people intelligences....

 

DAMAGNINO

5:53 PM ET

February 1, 2011

watch out!!!!!!!!!!!!!

an italian soldier, a paratrooper of the Italian Army and co-foundator of para-military organization Federazione Nazionale Riservisti.
Not so strange that He's trying to defend our Prime Minister at all costs

PEACE !!

 

FABIO BULFONI

4:51 AM ET

February 2, 2011

@ Damagnino

Federazione Nazionale Riservisti is a legal Association, founded under the law for legitimate associations.
Her mission and operation are legal and approved by the Law.

Para-military association are forbidden by Italian laws and are severely prosecuted.

Simply, we are soldiers of the Reserve, grouped in an association.
Nothing bad in this.

Of course, you can hate who you wants...

Peace...

 

MACORTEZ461

6:32 PM ET

February 25, 2011

Berlusconi's Worst Nightmare

The decades-long battle between Silvio Berlusconi and Italy's most famous prosecutor is entering its final round. The prime minister's career and Italy's democracy hang in the balance. I end here. Every citizen is eqaul to the law. Politician have a special status due to their charge in the Parliament. "Sensing (or choosing to believe) that this was as much a political as a judicial campaign, Berlusconi's mighty media empire -- three national television channels, a daily newspaper, and several weekly magazines -- has portrayed Boccassini's investigation as a witchhunt. The magistrates have mounted a kind of judicial coup d'tat, they say, attempting to subvert Italy's democratic elections anorexia disorder. "It's the usual attempt by fanatics in the judiciary to overstep their proper role and influence the political scene," Mariastella Gelmini, who serves under Berlusconi as education minister, told Panorama. The Berlusconi camp accuses the magistrates of devoting disproportionate resources to the most recent inquiry: Investigators had conducted almost 100,000 wiretaps in a six-month period, at a rate of about 600 per day. " And you know what? I don't give a damn. If you italians don't have any sense of shame, just as Berlusconi doesn't, you truly do deserve him. What I am observing however is that they're trying to make it look as if the country will collapse without Berlusconi.