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Foreign Policy asked experts to weigh in on what Egypt means for the future of U.S. foreign policy.

FEBRUARY 4, 2011

 

No Need to Panic
By Steven Simon

How, and how much, will American foreign policy toward the Middle East be changed and reshaped by ongoing events? The answer depends on how interconnected the Arab world really is. Accepting that changes taking place in Egypt are likely to change the bilateral relationship with the United States, the question is, are there analogous changes taking place in the region?

In Israel, a transition already seems to be underway, one which has led to diminished U.S. influence. It is probably true that, if Egypt were to abrogate its treaty with Israel, the Barack Obama and Benjamin Netanyahu administrations might find common cause. But most observers don't actually think the treaty at risk, despite the Muslim Brotherhood's talk of preparing the Egyptian military for war.

In Lebanon, a transition is also underway, in which Hezbollah's and Iran's influences have been boosted, and Syria's long-term objectives been made more secure than anytime in the past five years. These changes preceded the Cairo earthquake. Syria itself seems to be at little risk of regime-threatening demonstrations or the kind of rebellion that ended with the suppression of Islamists there 30 years ago. Relations between Damascus and Washington remain frosty and essentially unproductive -- but not as a result of events in Cairo, which are unlikely to change things one way or another when it comes to U.S.-Syrian ties.

Jordan could conceivably contract the Egypt virus, and indeed, there were jitters about its stability in wake of Tahrir Square. The king, however, dusted off the old play book, dismissed his government and consulted the opposition. Partly as a result of these maneuvers, he remains well liked, at least compared with Mubarak, and enjoys a certain legitimacy. Mass uprising or calls for his departure seem highly unlikely.

A seismic transformation, owing to U.S. action, has already swept Iraq; it's hard to see how the sort of government likely to emerge in Egypt will enhance U.S. influence in Baghdad, or erode it further. Saudi Arabia weathered an intifada already, in 2003 and 2004, and high oil prices now enable the kingdom's leaders to fulfill the rentier bargain in a way that probably precludes renewed unrest. The same is true elsewhere on the Arab side of the Gulf, except perhaps in Bahrain. Still, ongoing Shiite demonstrations there predate the turmoil in Egypt.

In Yemen, two insurgencies were already in progress before the demonstrations in Cairo, and in any case, President Ali Abdullah Saleh has now said that he will step down in 2013. The chance of getting less consistent Yemeni help at that point on al Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula is certainly conceivable -- but if that happens, it won't be because of political reform in Egypt.

That leaves Iran. Granted, Egypt has been a thorn in Iran's side. But as a practical matter, what could Egypt really do to help the United States stymie Iran's pursuit of a nuclear weapons capability, or for that matter, its advances in Lebanon? The key on the nuclear front is in the hands of the U.N. Security Council and U.S. allies in Europe and Asia. There is one respect, however, in which changes in Egypt could complicate U.S. strategy toward Iran: If the United States needs to strength its military position in the Gulf, either to attack Iran or to deter an Iranian move in the wake of a U.S. or Israeli strike. At that point, Egypt's refusal to allow U.S. nuclear-powered warships through the Suez Canal would make rapid response on the part of the U.S. 6th Fleet a vexing problem.

On balance, a lot of reason for depression and maybe some anxiety -- but not panic.

Steven Simon is adjunct senior fellow for Middle Eastern studies at the Council on Foreign Relations.

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HILLBILLY BRETT

2:52 PM ET

February 5, 2011

A Popular Uprising not a Political One

This movement to oust Hosni Mubarak is a popular uprising not a political one. If it were a political uprising, It might be Egypt's Muslim Brotherhood, or the Kefaya Movement who organized it.

Kefaya shouldn't be confused with Khefeyah, the name of the Arab headscarf, it rather means, in Arabic, "enough".

You might think of this movement as Egypts form of the Tea Party, or 1922 Germany's Grossdeutsche Jugendbewegung or Greater Youth Movement. which rallies behind an idea rather a leader. These popular movements remain largely leaderless or form in small groups.

Existing political parties are quick to gain their support. And poised to do that is Mubaraks greatest opposition group, the Muslim Brotherhood. Recently, a Brotherhood supporter, Mohammed el Baradei, former head of the UN IAEA and Nobelaureate. Returned from exile to Egypt and spoke in Tahir Square. From a bullhorn, he gave a speech which was largely drowned out by the crowd, it was weak, and ineffectual - but it was an attempt to gain control of the masses.

Which way this goes we will have to wait and see. The crowd will most likely tire and go home - or it will fester to bloodshed. Most Egyptians are at home steering away from these areas.

Mubarak will discourage incitement by shutting down the internet and intimidating reporters with violence. He will then place his money on the crowd tiring - as he did with March 20 uprising. Western powers will support Mubarak by encouraging peace and calm transition.

If this movement goes anywhere, it will be interesting to see who grabs the steering wheel.

 

HILLBILLY BRETT

5:25 PM ET

February 5, 2011

In Addition...

I am sure that Hosni Mubarak is intensely interested with who grabs the steering wheel (sense of forboding implied)

 

DOCHAJ

4:34 PM ET

February 6, 2011

Popular uprisings

Hillbilly Brett:

Your reference to popular uprisings is interesting. I will refer you to the resultant governments of popular uprisings from the last 150 years.

 

HILLBILLY BRETT

9:38 PM ET

February 6, 2011

DOCHAJ

Point well taken Doc.

 

4234567

11:32 PM ET

February 6, 2011

HellyBilly You mentioning of

HellyBilly

You mentioning of 'evil' Vietnamese communist is an interesting one.
Is that why US try to forge a closer tie with Vietnam? To support another 'evil' regime?

Clinton's Visit to Vietnam Highlights Warmer Ties
http://www.aolnews.com/2010/07/23/clinton-in-hanoi-as-common-concerns-nudge-u-s-vietnam-closer/

 

ADAM NEIRA

1:17 AM ET

February 7, 2011

The Next Ninety Eight Days

Politics is the art of the possible. Surveying the landscape what is before us ? Great chaos, flux, fear and change all throughout the Middle East. The threat of a downward spiralling vortex, almost like a land subsidence or spiritual sinkhole. No real leader present in Egypt. The other national leaders nervous but hanging on, treading water and managing to mitigate the anger by holding snap elections etc. Temporarily distracting the masses. Plugging the dyke. The Egyptian protestors may not have the patience to wait for President Mubarak to resign in September. Things have been allowed to slide for too long and the current intransigence of the government may be the straw that breaks the camel’s back. To mitigate the violence a government of national unity is required. The people must start to feel engaged in the process of government. I am sure the vast majority of Egyptians are fair minded and seek peace and good relations with all nations, including Israel. The Western leaders including Bibi must attempt to trust the people of Egypt. Managing affairs from on high is dangerous when the people resent the ivory tower. A more interconnected, dynamic, grounded Middle East is required.

How about a meeting in Jerusalem with various representatives from Israel, the West Bank, Gaza, Syria, Jordan, Lebanon, Saudi Arabia and Egypt with other nations present ? A peace treaty could be negotiated. Various GDP's in the region...Israel US$292.7 billion; Jordan $31.01 B; Syria $96.53 B; Lebanon $53.81 B; Gaza $4 B; Saudi Arabia $600.4 B; Egypt $452.5 Billion. The total GDP of these eight areas is approx. $1.5 Trillion. This can increase by at least 4% per annum over the coming years if trust and co-operation increases. The vacuum needs to be filled. Ganeden needs an HQ. A good CEO is required. The next ninety eight days leading up to May 16th, 2011 are crucial.

P.S. Did you know that Hamas representatives on a trust building mission involving talks about Gilad Shalit were on their way to Damascus on Monday when they were paradoxically stopped at the border with Egypt due to the ensuing chaos ? The Israelis et al. are doing an enormous amount of good work behind the scenes to obey a certain paradigm.

 

DOCHAJ

8:46 PM ET

February 7, 2011

"The Strong Horse"

Anybody here read "The strong Horse" by Lee Smith? Does his theory apply to the Egyptian psyche or has that society eveolved beyond the concept?

 

SANAN3

1:22 PM ET

February 10, 2011

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NEMATSADAT

2:27 AM ET

February 7, 2011

For Israel in Egypt, a delicate balancing act

Now that all the experts have weighed in on what's next for Obama on Egypt, here is my latest op-ed on what Egypt means for Israel.

"For Israel on Egypt, a delicate balancing act."
http://ohmygov.com/blogs/general_news/archive/2011/01/31/quick-take-soci...

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NEMATSADAT

2:28 AM ET

February 7, 2011

For Israel in Egypt, a delicate balancing act

Now that all the experts have weighed in on what's next for Obama on Egypt, here is my latest op-ed on what Egypt means for Israel.

"For Israel on Egypt, a delicate balancing act."
http://ohmygov.com/blogs/general_news/archive/2011/02/07/for-israel-in-egypt-a-delicate-balancing-act.aspx

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Nemat Sadat
ms4008@columbia.edu

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DOCHAJ

8:54 PM ET

February 7, 2011

More info for Hillbilly Brett et al

All reveal that the issue of the state – and the closely associated question of democracy – in Latin America is far from being resolved. The return to democracy in recent years has not resolved several fundamental problems of state, which Laura Tedesco & Jonathan R Barton well describe: "historical inequality in social relations remained relatively unchanged following the neoliberal reforms; the perpetuation of the notion that this inequality in inevitable and almost necessary; the spread of economic exclusion; the de facto restrictions of civil liberties for those economically excluded; the persistence of important degrees of social and political authoritarianism; the injustices of the judicial systems; and unresolved ethnic and racial issues" (The State of Democracy in Latin America, Routledge, 2004).

obviously not my work but this a strong core of my attitude. Even though it is a different region, the conclusions are no less valid. There is a long bibliography on the subject

 

THIRDWORLDCHARLIE

11:07 PM ET

February 8, 2011

What is the National Mantra of The West ?

I am confused! What is the national mantra of the West? Is it Democracy or Support of Israel. In Egypt, West can not have it both. So make up your mind and tell us.

Till now it was Democracy, and boy did we have the earful! Children sang the hymn of Democracy, you went to war to bring Democracy! But now we find it is not the mantra.

West is all concerned and is making pronouncements that Democracy will bring Muslim Brotherhood in power. Imagine if an Egyptian had opined that Republican victory in America was bad for Democracy, as it would bring Tea Party in power!, your response would be mind your business.

Many Egyptian is saying the same to you.

 

DOCHAJ

9:36 AM ET

February 9, 2011

THIRDWORLDCHARLIE

You make assumptions that are not yet proven facts and paint yourself into an indefensible corner