Don't Fear the Brotherhood

Running away from the Islamic party is exactly what the entrenched Egyptian ruling class wants America to do.

BY JAMES TRAUB | FEBRUARY 10, 2011

When U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, speaking last week at a security conference in Munich, alluded to "forces at work" in the protests in Egypt -- or "in any society" -- "that will try to derail or overtake the process to pursue their own specific agenda," she didn't have to spell out whom she had in mind: the Muslim Brotherhood. Those spoilers, she went on, were the reason it was so important to support "the transition process" initiated by Egypt's new vice president, Omar Suleiman, even though it wholly excludes both the protesters themselves and their principal demands.

Not to be outdone, Rep. Ileana Ros-Lehtinen, chairwoman of the House Foreign Affairs Committee, denounced President Barack Obama's administration for going soft on "extremists" like the Brotherhood, who "must not be allowed to hijack the movement toward democracy and freedom in Egypt." No matter how Egypt's transition unfolds, one thing is likely to remain constant for Egypt's defensive and endangered ruling class: The Muslim Brotherhood will be a gift that keeps on giving.

Egypt's rulers have long understood that they can't persuade the West that secular reformers pose a danger to Egypt or the world. The Islamists, however, are another story. And while the secularists have been a minor nuisance to the regime (at least until just now), the Brotherhood -- well-organized, disciplined, and widely admired -- really did constitute a political threat. So the regime and its defenders harp relentlessly on the Brotherhood's "real" intentions. When I was in Cairo in early 2007, Hossam Badrawi, the man who was just named Secretary-General of the ruling National Democratic Party (NDP), told me that allowing the Brotherhood to freely run for office would be like legalizing the Nazi party in Germany. Another cautioned that, while the Brothers were not "necessarily" terrorists, they certainly hoped to impose Saudi-style sharia on Egypt.

And it worked. After making a rousing 2005 speech at the American University in Cairo calling on President Hosni Mubarak to open up the political process, Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice answered a question by saying, "We have not engaged the Muslim Brotherhood, and...we won't." Mubarak's security forces subsequently beat and killed Brotherhood supporters in parliamentary elections, and the White House issued only the mildest protest. George W. Bush's administration maintained a conspicuous silence as the regime carried out mass arrests of the opposition group's leaders in 2007.

It's not only the regime's apologists who profess to fear the Muslim Brotherhood; I had no trouble finding secular Cairenes who took an equally dim view. The group's slogan is, after all, "Islam is the solution," and the appeal its political leaders make to the rank and file is long on religious orthodoxy. Still, I spent two weeks talking to members of the Brotherhood -- something the secular critics rarely do -- and though I did feel they were putting their best foot forward for a Western journalist, I was struck by their reluctance to impose their views on others and their commitment to democratic process. They had been drawn to the Brotherhood not only by piety but also by the group's reputation for social service and personal probity.

Many of these men were lawyers, doctors, or engineers. But I also spent several evenings with an electrician named Magdy Ashour, who had been elected to parliament from a dismal slum at the furthest edge of Cairo (he's now an independent, after being ousted from the Brotherhood in December). He was at pains to counter what he assumed were my preconceptions. "When people hear the name Muslim Brotherhood, they think of terrorism and suicide bombings," Ashour conceded. "We want to establish the perception of an Islamic group cooperating with other groups, concerned about human rights. We do not want to establish a country like Iran, which thinks that it is ruling with a divine mandate. We want a government based on civil law, with an Islamic source of lawmaking."

And just what is an "Islamic source of lawmaking?" Muhammad Habib, then the Muslim Brotherhood's deputy supreme guide -- its second-ranking official-- explained to me that, under such a system, parliament would seek the advice of religious scholars on issues touching upon religion, though such views could never be binding. A democratically elected parliament, he asserted, would still have the "absolute right" to pass a law the Brotherhood deemed "un-Islamic." And the proper redress for religious objections would be a formal appeal process in the constitutional court.

Maybe they were lying. But I didn't think so. More to the point, the Muslim Brotherhood's then 88-member caucus in the legislature studiously avoided religious issues and worked with secular opposition members on issues of democracy and human rights. They all lived together in a hotel, showed up for work every day, and invited outside experts for policy briefings. It was widely agreed that the Brothers took parliament far more seriously than members of the ruling party ever had.

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James Traub is a contributing writer for the New York Times Magazine and author of, most recently, The Freedom Agenda. "Terms of Engagement," his column for ForeignPolicy.com, runs weekly.

CHILEPP

8:48 PM ET

February 10, 2011

Naive

Mr. Traub may be right and I hope he is about the Muslim Brotherhood. However, from everything I've read and all the people I've talked to about the aspiration of Muslims around the world (including Muslims), in particular those with political or leadership aspirations, the intent of the Muslim "leaders" of the world is to impose their form of religion and law upon the people of countries they manage to take control of. We are naive to think otherwise. History always repeats itself and today is no different from the mid 1930's in Germany. No one really believed that those "crazy" Nazis would be able to control Germany or other countries. Enough said.

 

BUDAHH

10:04 PM ET

February 10, 2011

Mr traub please listen to Their spiritual leader

His name is Yosuf Al Qardawi, he is not talking about peace and democracy.
You have to be a fool to believe that he wants peace. That man encourages violence and oppression. He is the one they follow, he decides the fatwas.

How silly and naive of western journalists who do not speak arabic to think that they know what they are talking about because they interviewed a few brotherhood members.
They are smart they know the regime is still in power and they won't come out with their true face as long as they are riding the wave of the revolution. They have to keep a nice face for the west, if the regime is still in power and they go out of line they will be severely punished, they are quiet for a reason for now.

The hamas and hizbullah have the same dawa institution which provide services that the government fails to supply, and it works they buy the hearts of the people.

Who was involved in assasinations in Egypt, why do you think they have not been too active militarily for the past 30 years , because the regime outlawed them and they don't have the wests rules, they brutally chased them.

Do not be fooled because you want to believe the nice colors of the revolution, you can support the poor oppressed people who are demonstrating, but be careful when you come out with such serious statements about the brotherhood.

And you believed them because you felt they were telling the truth, hahah you don't know the middle east at all.

"Concern for Israel's security has thus been one of the chief factors limiting U.S. support for democracy in the Arab world."
how can you call yourself a serious journalist, come on, first the U.S does not support democracy because it is against it's interest, like in all the gulf states, what does Israel have to do with that, the oil must flow and it is better with the current regimes , It supported it in lebanon and gaza and look what we got out of that loook, they don't support democracy because the arab world is unfortunately not ripe to have a democracy.

Democracy doesn't just mean free elections, it is institutions values and a way of life. You cannot just change it over one night and it takes a long time to change society.It is israels fault that america supported the horrible dictators in south america you are joking right.

 

ALANIA

12:29 AM ET

February 11, 2011

The Muslim Brotherhood denounces violence except...

in special cases, the Intafadas being one of tehm. Its this that disconcerts me.

 

ALANIA

11:51 PM ET

February 13, 2011

Yes please go make a list- J Thomas

Its obvious you have a problem with the United States, so please go make everyone a list and criticize because thats going to help prove your point, how lovely the MB is.

 

ALANIA

12:29 AM ET

February 11, 2011

The Muslim Brotherhood denounces violence except...

in special cases, the Intafadas being one of tehm. Its this that disconcerts me.

 

GRANDEROHO

1:18 AM ET

February 11, 2011

I'm not going to sit here and

I'm not going to sit here and make armchair critiques about a subject I am not versed on completely. I think that people have a capacity to change, but they only have that capacity when the environment for such change is adequate.

Whether or not the environment now marks the ability for democracy to take hold in middle east, it is clear from everything that I have read and know about US foreign policy that this is a sea change and unprecedented. Whether or not democracy can take hold in Egypt, we must support it even if it leads to policies that eventually go outside our immediate interests.

That's how I feel on the subject, you can feel free to shoot it down with superfluous idioms and allegories that have little to no relevance on this subject.

 

THE GLOBALIZER

2:11 AM ET

February 11, 2011

Agree, and...

It's also worth noting, as Traub alludes to in his piece, that participation in a democracy forces those organizations to clarify themselves. They will be forced to choose between Islamism and participatory government.

Yes, Hezbollah is in the Lebanese government, and yes, they are Islamists. But everyone knows what they are at this point, and their representation is only proportional to the supporters in the citizenry that agree. In a dictatorship like Saudi Arabia, it is clear that Islamic principles govern; in a democracy, it is much more likely that a pluralistic tradition will occur, especially in a relatively tech-savvy nation like Egypt.

 

GRANDEROHO

2:41 AM ET

February 11, 2011

I wouldn't even go as far to

I wouldn't even go as far to say that it is more likely for Egypt to become pluralistic or that it's because they are 'tech' savvy. The United States is clearly pushing against a dictator who it has supported because people are protesting, it's one of the few bi-partisan efforts in Washington right now. That's astounding, regardless of predicting the future. It's clear that if change were to happen we are ready to support it.

We could get egg on our face and probably will in many circumstances, but to push status quo in this instance to me is reprehensible.

 

SAMBOO44

2:53 AM ET

February 11, 2011

honest opinion

I will talk about Islam first ,
most opinions about islam and islamists are based on very general claims about islam. Unfortunately most of the people don't understand the reality of islam.
As far as worship in islam , there is no compulsion in religion.This is from Quran. Accordingly all nonmuslims lived happily in moslim countries throughout history. Even Jews when they were killed in the middle ages in Europe , they escaped to muslim countries, Morroco to the south and Turkey to the east.
As far as social justice in islam there are 3 mail principles :
freedom, equality and justice.
These are not claims, these are facts. You may read history or good books about Islam to know the facts to avoid this fobia about islam.

The brotherhood being an islamic group go by these principles, and we should look at them from this view.
We are also judging intentions not deeds, specially in political environment.
As the writer said they have been very successful in social services and they represent a strong part of the society from all sides.
We should not consider them similar to Hizbullah, both have different views.
Hope this clarifies some of the misunderstanding about Islam and M Brothehood

 

HORACE RIVER

1:58 PM ET

February 11, 2011

Honest Opinion

To Samboo44 - No compulsion in islam? Yeah that's in the Quran and so are these:

The notorious verse of the sword - 9:5: But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the pagans wherever ye find them, And seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war) ; but if they repent (accept Islam) and establish regular prayers and practices regular charity then open the way for them; for God is oft-forgiving, Most Merciful.

9:29-32: Fight against those among the People of the Book (Jews and Christians) who do not believe in God and the Last Day, who do not forbid what God and His messenger have forbidden, until they are subdued and pay jizyah (tax on non-Muslims)

5.51: Believers, do not take Jews or Christians as friends They are but one another's friends. If anyone of you takes them for his friends, then he is surely one of them. God will not guide evil-doers.

I could go on but what's the point. Ever heard of the principle of abrogation in the Quran?

All non-muslims live happily in muslim countries? Perhaps you could explain the destruction and genocide recorded in such early islamic conquests as the invasions of Syria and Mesopotamia in 632, 635, and 642; or the carnage and massacres in North Africa, Iraq, and Iran; the early campaigns in India by Qasim in 712 to destroy all unbelievers; the slaughter of entire populations in India by Mahmud of Ghazni in the 11th century justified by constant references to Qur'anic commands to kill all idolators; the near extinction of Buddhism in the state of Bihar in the 12th century by Qutb ud din Aibak. These predations are based firmly on attitudes, actions, and examples set by the Prophet and the Qur'an in which Jews are labeled as pigs and apes (7:166, 2:65, and 5:60) Perhaps you'd explain the tolerance displayed in this hadith: "The Day of Judgement will not come about until Muslims fight the Jews (killing the Jews), when the Jew will hide behind stones and trees. The stones and trees will say O Muslims, O Abdullah, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him." - a statement that is now part of the charter of Hamas.

But since islamic history seems to be a problem for you unless it a "good" book about islam which I take to mean a book that glosses over the truth and reports only the "good," how about explaining the current violence, hatred, and attacks against non-muslims occurring in muslim countries such as Indonesia, Pakistan, Iraq, Egypt? What about the hundreds of fatwas issued by mainstream clerics, not just radicals, calling for jihad against all unbelievers? You either misunderstand your own religion or you are practicing a form of taqqiya (deception) to lie to all us dirty kiffars. If so, game over Samboo44.

 

OLMC

1:18 AM ET

February 14, 2011

honest opinions - "good books"

Sambo, your claims are based on the fact that most people are too lazy to read "good books" and I think you are relying on that. The fact is that Islam, when running a country, has historiically kept all non-Muslims as second class citizens and to claim that they are happy as an inferior status is false. Either you are lying or just haven't really researched the issue.

Read Bat Ye'or's trilogy starting with "THE DHIMMI: Jews and Christians under Islam". In addition to the extensive research on the subject there are dozens and dozens of documents from centuries back. Anyone who takes the time to read this author will understand Islam as it relates to those who do not have the "true religion".

The "Dhimmi" is someone who lives in a Musllim society without being a Muslim (Jews, Chrstians, and occassionally "animists"). The word "dhimmi" means "protected person" which begs the question, protected from whom? Protected from Muslims of course. Why would they need protection from Muslims? Because there is always at least a latent hostility toward any non-Muslim UNLESS they know and accept their place as being quite inferior. The dhimmi historically lived in permanent insecurity, where their limited "rights", for lack a better word, could be revoked at any time and were always subject to outbursts of violence based on a kind of mob-mentality, hence the need for that "protected" title ie dhimmi.

As Ye'or explains "the affirmation that dhimmi peoples had been reduced to religious minorities and were despised and persecuted over the centuries was not well recieved. To state that European colonization had emancipated these subjected people was taboo--at a time of Western cuplableness over colonization."

My good friends are Coptic Egyptians living in New York. They are overjoyed that Mubarik is gone even though Coptics are regularly persecuted in Egypt. As they explain it "Muslims have persecuted Copts for centuries and will continue to do so. That has nothing to do with this revolution." So they are glad Egyptians have a chance for a better life but they dont have any notions that Coptic persecutions will change.

I pray the Egyptians will have a better future. I don't know how that will happen given the economy and I fear that when things don't improve for the masses history will repeat itself. Historically Ye'or explains "establishing the principle of equal rights for . . . and the validity of the testimony of Jews and Christians in Muslim courts of law . . . inevitably led to popular indignation and riots; fanatics theu took their own revenge upon thos whom the [Muslim gov't] was obliged to protect."

May the God of Abraham, Isaac and Ishmael bring peace to the world. There are three religions of this God, only one of them can be true. God's will be done.

 

RENDERUS

9:16 AM ET

February 11, 2011

Tell that to the families of the 9/11 Victims?

The Islamic Brotherhood begat al-Qaeda?

Who taught Bin Ladin? What group did Bin Ladin's second man come from?

Who taught KSM, mastermind of 9/11?

Are you serious? Do you think we are stupid?

What are you smoking? Or drinking?

Who is paying you? George Soros?

Tell your "Wisdom" to the 9/11 victims and their families?

Please sit down and shut up!

 

CHILEPP

9:36 AM ET

February 11, 2011

Amen!

Amen!

 

CHILEPP

9:53 AM ET

February 11, 2011

Who is the Brotherhood?

The Heritage Foundation had this to say about the Muslim Brotherhood:
In reality, the Muslim Brotherhood, founded in 1928, is the Middle East’s oldest and most influential Islamist movement. Outlawed in Egypt since 1954, when it attempted to assassinate former President Gamal Abdel Nasser, the Brotherhood retains the long-term goal of creating an Islamist state and implementing Sharia law. An offshoot of the Brotherhood, Egyptian Islamic Jihad, assassinated President Anwar Sadat in 1981, perpetrated a series of terrorist attacks in Egypt in the 1990s, and became part of al-Qaeda. Another offshoot, the Palestinian Islamist extremist group Hamas, won elections in Gaza in 2006, staged a coup in 2007 to transform Gaza into a terrorist base, and remains committed to destroying Israel.

 

CHILEPP

9:39 AM ET

February 14, 2011

Is the description of the

Is the description of the Brotherhood wrong? I believe not - no matter what you think of the Heritatge Foundation you can't argue with that.

 

MASAO KEN

1:33 PM ET

February 11, 2011

Blush and fart

Even Egypt was dictatorship country , there still were some piece .

Dang i was planing trip to Egypt . Probably now it will become dangerous place like terrorist Heaven Gaza .

 

SEPPOIN

1:41 PM ET

February 11, 2011

Democracy

The whole point of democracy is to give a voice to everyone in the
country. In India, we have parties that are opposed to peace process
with Pakistan, and even with her own people in Kashmir.

In Israel, there are parties that are opposed to peace with Palestinians. In case you are so concerned about peace in Israel, boot the orthodox parties. In France, there are parties in power who are xenophobic. We claim these are all
democracies.

Brotherhood is not using violence to achieve its aims. Let the Egyptians decide the role of Brotherhood in administering their own country

 

PUPIL

2:16 PM ET

February 11, 2011

Double, double Traub and trouble

We are witnessing a remarkably swift makeover of officially "left-wing" group of intellectual ideologues into direct supporters of Neo-Nazi theory and practice by Iranian rulers and now their aspiring Egyptian Brothers (or maybe, cousins, but this subtle distinction does not make them less deadly). Sullivan from "Atlantic Monthly" is another exemplar of this breed.

Remember "Animal Farm" sheep? Traub and Sullivan bleat day and night: Ayatollahs and Brotherhood are good, America and Israel (i.e. Democracies) are bad; Ayatollahs and Brotherhood are good, America and Israel (i.e. Democracies) are bad; Ayatollahs..

I agree with Hossam Badrawi that "allowing the Brotherhood to freely run for office would be like legalizing the Nazi party in Germany". Yea, we restrict freedom of political life in Germany. But sorry, no Nazis, period.

By softly selling the brand of Oriental Nazism to America (remember "Herr Hitler and the respectful discussions I (Neville Chamberlain) had with him"?) Traub and his ilk are actually smuggling Nazism into this country. And Nazi package always arrives with war.

 

ALANIA

11:57 PM ET

February 13, 2011

J Thomas I'm glad your not president

If you think that the Arabs are going to outlast the Israelis. Twenty years tops before we get off oil or make our consumption so little that supply surpluses lower the prices durastically, then the Middle East will probaly resemble something like Africa except without the natural resources.

 

JKOLAK

2:54 PM ET

February 11, 2011

Losing a hand or being stoned

Losing a hand or being stoned isn't all so bad as people would have you believe.

 

GREGFULLMOON

4:49 PM ET

February 11, 2011

Back to basics

Democracy is an old concept. It is rooted in the ideal that the constituent population determines their governing authority.

In the West we are often harangued by leaderships proclaiming that we live in Christian nations, and it is indeed true that our cultural heritage is strongly influenced by this religious impulse. It is also true that the "peace loving" Christians of the USA and the "coalition of the willing" instituted a genocidal firestorm on the populations of two predominantly Muslim nations; Afghanistan and Iraq. In the conduct of this apocalyptic ravishment the good Christian soldiers employed the latest innovations from the techno- war industry including the awesome and toxic DUW (Depleted Uranium Weapons).

In the Iraq theatre one particularly Christian moment stands out in October 2004 when the US led Christian Soldiers pummeled the city of Fallujah, once vibrant home to 200,000 human beings.

The litany of US and Western intervention (both covert and overt) in other nations affairs has been well enough documented elsewhere. I merely refer to it here to support the thesis that Western hand-ringing and finger pointing as to the meaning of passages of the Quran is just so much hypocrisy.

Was it a democratic policy of the British and Western powers to support a Zionist enclave in Palestine at the cost of the homeland of the then existent Palestinians? Look at the result of this historic blunder.

We co-exist in a complex world with a developed history and karma. To redeem this karma it is best for the peoples in nation states to empower themselves to make the necessary and important decisions to provide a wholesome future within their own cultural settings and with a mind to their collective aspirations.

In Egypt's case 80 million folk are living their destiny. For the Muslim Brotherhood to have a role in this movement they must represent a valid viewpoint. They obviously do, so let Egypt get on with creating their brand of just society, which will obviously be mindful of its rich Muslim heritage.

 

SCULLYMJ

4:49 PM ET

February 11, 2011

Smiling faces

Don't let those western suits fool you. Look no further than the rug burns on their foreheads and know them for what they are. They are not the kinder, gentler MB they would have you believe they are. They are soldiers of allah and like nits, they must be rooted out.

 

BUNKHABIT

7:26 PM ET

February 11, 2011

Personal probity - unless you sign a peace agreement with Israel

Piety, social service, personal probity and assassination. Oh, brother...

 

LEEANNLAV

6:16 PM ET

February 13, 2011

Finally, a voice of reason!

Great article, Mr. Traub! It's nice to finally read an article written from a reasonable perspective.

 

CHILEPP

9:48 AM ET

February 14, 2011

Naive #2

Ms. LeeAnn - It is that polyanna attitude that sadly and wrongly believes if we all expect the best from others we will get it - I once thought like you - I do consider myself a pacifist and a lover of our Earth and all that's in it but I woke up a few years ago and realized that unfortunately not everyone feels the same way and no matter how much we want to project goodness and believe in the best in others there are many, many who do not think like we do - who have an agenda - and in the case of Muslims, in particular the active minority (and I'm not so sure that the passive majority doesn't feel this way too), their agenda is to dominate others and rid the world of infidels and "non-believers" as they call the rest of us. They would love to live in a world dominated by Sharia law. Have you ever read about it? Please do, if you find it appalling, please wake up and don't be naive any longer or you may one day be living that reality.