Obama Is Helping Iran

How Washington's awkward handling of Middle East uprisings is playing into the hands of the Islamic Republic.

BY FLYNT AND HILLARY MANN LEVERETT | FEBRUARY 23, 2011

We take billionaire financier George Soros up on the bet he proffered to CNN's Fareed Zakaria this week that "the Iranian regime will not be there in a year's time." In fact, we want to up the ante and wager that not only will the Islamic Republic still be Iran's government in a year's time, but that a year from now, the balance of influence and power in the Middle East will be tilted more decisively in Iran's favor than it ever has been.

Just a decade ago, on the eve of the 9/11 attacks, the United States had cultivated what American policymakers like to call a strong "moderate" camp in the region, encompassing states reasonably well-disposed toward a negotiated peace with Israel and strategic cooperation with Washington: Egypt, Jordan, Saudi Arabia and the other Persian Gulf states, as well as Morocco, Tunisia, and Turkey. On the other side, the Islamic Republic had an alliance of some standing with Syria, as well as ties to relatively weak militant groups like Hamas and Hezbollah. Other "radical" states like Saddam Hussein's Iraq and Muammar al-Qaddafi's Libya were even more isolated.

Fast-forward to the eve of Barack Obama's inauguration as president of the United States, in January 2009. As a result of the Iraq war, the collapse of the Arab-Israeli peace process, and some fairly astute diplomacy by Iran and its regional allies, the balance of influence and power across the Middle East had shifted significantly against the United States. Scenarios for "weaning" Syria away from Iran were becoming ever more fanciful as relations between Damascus and Tehran became increasingly strategic in quality. Turkey, under the Justice and Development Party (AKP), was charting a genuinely independent foreign policy, including strategically consequential partnerships with Iran and Syria. Hamas and Hezbollah, legitimated by electoral successes, had emerged as decisively important political actors in Palestine and Lebanon. It was looking progressively less likely that post-Saddam Iraq would be a meaningful strategic asset for Washington and ever more likely that Baghdad's most important relationships would be with Iran, Syria, and Turkey. And, increasingly, U.S. allies like Oman and Qatar were aligning themselves with the Islamic Republic and other members of the Middle East's "resistance bloc" on high-profile issues in the Arab-Israeli arena -- as when the Qatari emir flew to Beirut a week after the 2006 Lebanon war to pledge massive reconstruction assistance to Hezbollah strongholds in the south and publicly defended Hezbollah's retention of its military capabilities.

On Obama's watch, the regional balance of influence and power has shifted even further away from the United States and toward Iran and its allies. The Islamic Republic has continued to deepen its alliances with Syria and Turkey and expand its influence in Iraq, Lebanon, and Palestine. Public opinion polls, for example, continue to show that the key leaders in the Middle East's resistance bloc -- Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, Syrian President Bashar Assad, Lebanon's Hassan Nasrallah, Hamas's Khaled Mishaal, and Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan -- are all vastly more popular across the region than their counterparts in closely U.S.-aligned and supported regimes in Jordan, the Palestinian Authority, and Saudi Arabia.

And, now, the Obama administration stands by helplessly as new openings for Tehran to reset the regional balance in its favor emerge in Bahrain, Egypt, Tunisia, Yemen, and perhaps elsewhere. If these "pro-American" Arab political orders currently being challenged or upended by significant protest movements become at all more representative of their populations, they will no doubt become less enthusiastic about strategic cooperation with the United States. And, if these "pro-American" regimes are not replaced by salafi-dominated Islamist orders, the Arab governments that emerge from the present turmoil are likely to be at least somewhat receptive to Iran's message of "resistance" and independence from Israel and the West.

Certainly, any government in Cairo that is even mildly more representative than Hosni Mubarak's regime will not be willing to keep collaborating with Israel to enforce the siege of Gaza or to continue participating in the CIA's rendition program to bring Egyptians back to Egypt to be tortured. Likewise, any political order in Bahrain that respected the reality of that country's Shiite-majority population would be firmly opposed to the use of its territory as a platform for U.S. military action against Iranian interests.

Over the next year, all these developments will shift the regional balance even more against the United States and in favor of Iran. If Jordan -- a loyal U.S. client state -- were to come into play during this period, that would tilt things even further in Iran's direction.

Against this, Soros, other American elites, the media, and the Obama administration all assert that the wave of popular unrest that is taking down one U.S. ally in the Middle East after another will now bring down the Islamic Republic -- and perhaps the Assad government in Syria, too. This is truly a triumph of wishful thinking over thoughtful analysis.

Many of these same actors, of course, worked themselves up into quite a frenzy after the Islamic Republic's June 2009 presidential election. For months, we were subjected to utterly unsubstantiated claims that the election had been stolen and that the Green Movement would sweep aside the Iranian "regime." Like Soros today, many pundits who predicted the Islamic Republic's demise in 2009 or 2010 put various time frames on their predictions -- all of which, to the best of our knowledge, have passed without the Iranian system imploding. (But don't worry about the devastating impact of such egregious malpractice on the careers of those who proved themselves so manifestly incompetent at Iran analysis. In today's accountability-free America, every one of the Iran "experts" who were so wrong about the Green Movement in 2009 and 2010 is back at it again.)

ATTA KENARE/AFP/Getty Images

 

Flynt Leverett teaches international affairs at Pennsylvania State University and is a senior research fellow at the New America Foundation. Hillary Mann Leverett teaches international affairs at Yale and American University. Together, they write www.RaceForIran.com.


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LOGICAL123

8:46 PM ET

February 23, 2011

You also don't know what you are talking about

Please see my response to KEV3334.

 

SASAN TAYMOURIAN

6:49 AM ET

February 24, 2011

Accept the bitter truth: the Leveretts are correct

Over the past two years, everything the Leveretts have been saying turned out to be true. While the others were all completely wrong. Listen to them for once.

 

AR

8:29 PM ET

February 23, 2011

Anyone who does not see that

Anyone who does not see that the regional balance of power has begun to shift in Irans direction is either willfully igornant or has anti-Iranian agenda. Does anyone doubt that Iran has gained more from the ouster of saddam than have the Americans?

 

LOGICAL123

8:50 PM ET

February 23, 2011

What will happen when Khamenei is gone from the scene?

It would be interesting to learn what the LEVERETTS think will happen when Khamenei is gone from the scene. I don't think there will be any major change in the Iranian government as long as he is around.

 

SASAN TAYMOURIAN

6:35 AM ET

February 24, 2011

Iran is very strong and stable

Iran is very strong. Even after the demise of Ayatollah Khomeini when Iran was much weaker there was a very smooth transition. The US should stop pinning its hopes in foolish dreams. Before the US loses its influence globally it should come to some sort of agreement with Iran.

 

BABAK_88

8:52 PM ET

February 23, 2011

Sorry, But you are so wrong!

With all due respect: Just teaching in some university and having published a few books and articles doesn't necessary make one right on all subjects.

I am Iranian expatriate and have been following the news and events whole heartedly since the stolen and rigged election. I have contacts in Iran and read all the government and the opposition’s websites daily.

All I can say is that YOU ARE WRONG. VERY WRONG.

Your personal agenda against Mr. Obama shouldn't allow you to falsify news and publish ridicules stuff about a movement that is going against the world’s only theological government. For one thing Mr. Rafsanjani NEVER criticized Mousavi and Karroubi over their recent call to demonstrate. That is just FALSE.

The other people you've listed are the agents on Khamenei and it is expected of them to take such stance. Please note that there is a great division between the current people in power (So called conservatives). There has been a rift between Larijani, Ghalibaf, Motahari, and Ahmadinejad Do you really think that the Iranian parliament is independent? (God, you're so naive). Where have you seen bunch of MPs jump up and down on the floor of a parliament with the chants of DEATH TO someone???

Your article resonates writings in Iranian government publication of Kayhan than one by two American intellectuals. As the previous commentor said, it looks like you're "Iranian apologists and propagandists"
The green movement is alive and blankets a large majority of Iranians. Iran is no longer a country where the majority live in villages. The population concentration is in large cities. The majority of population is under the age 30 and educated. This government has lost the support of its people a long time ago. They have been a silent majority and now they are vocal. Ask yourself, why is it that this government won’t issues permit for opposition to come to streets? They know they lost the majority. You are the only one who believes that they still hold it. Ayatollahs Jenati and Mesbah Yazdi said it all, by stating that “this government gets its credibility from God and not the people. We are here because God wants here. It doesn’t matter what people want” … Does this sound like a government that has the backing of its people. Do you really think that Iranians want and support Islamic Republic?

I would highly recommend doing a little research before writing next time. And by the way, for your research stay away from Kayhan, Raja News, Pars News agency. They are not very reliable!!! They reported the number of Feb 14th participants between 100 to 500 people!!! All this DEATH TO Mousavi for 500 People!!! Ask yourself. And they did a poll recently, saying, 95% of all Iranians are happy with security forces …. Remember Saddam election where he got 99% of the vote!!!!

Thanks!

 

SASAN TAYMOURIAN

6:40 AM ET

February 24, 2011

THERE IS NO GREEN MOVEMENT

The only real green movement is in DC. People that are receiving loads of money to bring about "regime change" are only causing greater trouble for the US. Not only are taxpayers paying for their excessive lifestyles, but these people are being dishonest to American officials to that they can continue receiving funding.

The US must recognize the reality in Iran and accept that the Islamic Republic is here to stay.

 

FIORANGELA

8:23 AM ET

February 24, 2011

Do you support MEK, babak_88?

The Leveretts have posted at least three articles on their forum, http://www.raceforiran.com/, that have raised the alarm about groups in the US who want MEK to be legitimized -- removed from the US terror list -- so that US NGOs and government agencies can send US tax funds to MEK, who can then act boldly in Iran.

This raises several questions -- recall that in the runup to Iraq war, US Pentagon relied on Chalabi, and also be aware that Israeli loyalists, namely, Douglas Feith, and his Jerusalem-based law partner Mark Zell, had made a business deal with Chalabi: we'll see to it that Saddam is overthrown, sez Feith and Zell to Chalibi; you get yourself into power in Iraq and to reward us, give us an oil pipeline from Kirkuk to Eilat. (You may recall that Israel HAD an oil deal with Iran -- Iranian oil to Eilat, which Israel sold to Europe, creating a handsome revenue stream for Israel. When Khomeini came to power, the tap was turned off but Israel still owed Iran a great deal of money. Iran sued Israel; Israel delayed the suit for 20 years; the arbitrated judgment was ultimately in Iran's favor, but now Israel refuses to pay up.)

With this scenario in mind, is there any niggling suspicion in your mind that MEK has worked a similar deal with American and/or Israeli money people, by which MEK will betray the Iranian people and give Iranian resources and assets to US and Israel in exchange for that betrayal?

And IF you thinks the above suspicion is a reasonable suspicion, babak_88, why would the Leveretts sound the alarm about the possibility of MEK being de-listed if, as you say, they are NOT interested in the wellbeing of the (invisible) Green movement, and are NOT interested in the Iranian people maintaining self-determination and sovereign control of their resources and political process?

 

HASS

9:00 AM ET

February 24, 2011

Green Fantasy

The "Green Movement" is a fantasy cooked up by public relations firms in Washington, who represent interests that don't want the US to actually, constructively engage Iran because they see improved US-Iran relations as a challenge to their own interests, that's all. This has nothing to do with 'promoting democracy'

 

BABAK_88

12:01 PM ET

February 24, 2011

MEK is at the EOL!

Dear FIORANGELA

MKO (MEK) has reached the end of its life. Its downfall in public opinion started from the time that Mr. Rajabi shook hand with Saddam; while Saddams soldiers were raping and killing Iranian in Dehloran ... MKO has no public place to be able to play any political role. They are reduced to a few thousands supports and more resemble a form of a cult than a political faction.

The one thing that we always over look is the people. We think that there are some key players who make decisions and execute. I believe those days are gone. There is new reality which cannot be managed by covert operations, intimidation and fear.

Everything you mentioned is true. However, please note that once the occupation forces realized that Chalabi has no public support, he was thrown out.

 

BABAK_88

12:10 PM ET

February 24, 2011

There is a Green Movement!

Dear Sasan,

There is a distinct difference between the green movement and some little-ol TV stations financed by some special interest groups. BTW, the last I checked the total amount paid to these TVs was about 5 million, which in the grand scheme of things is really Nothing!! I would welcome to you to get involved and follow the news. There are great deals of resources out there. One last thing, young people don’t die for no reason. The police presence in the street in full battle gear is for no reason. All the shouting done by Friday prayer sermon leaders is for no reason … There is a green movement

 

RAAD

9:06 AM ET

February 25, 2011

no you are wrong

sorry Babak_88, it is you who is not reading on the topic. your analysis is shallow and obviously you can not distinguish between where the different camps agree and where they diverge.

The tragedy of Iran is that it is so polarised and like in 1980s the middle - professional - class is so eager to betray the country. every poll long before and after the 2009 election confirms the 62%- 38% split between Ahmadinejad and opponents and all polls point to the majority of Iranians (in Iran) supporting the IRoI in its current - albeit constitutionally flawed - form.

Leveretts unlike many of the Iranian diaspora, have travelled and met the decision or opinion-makers in Iran. I would trust their analysis much more than a neo-con with an agenda or any of the breathless anti-regime opponent.

 

DIANA RELKE

8:54 PM ET

February 23, 2011

Indeed, AR

There seems to be some denial on the part of Kev and Tebrizian. The Leveretts have nailed it again. But America's getting out of the Middle East will be as good for Arabs and Persians (and Turks) as getting out of Latin America was for Latin Americans. It won't hurt Americans either.

 

LEON DEINOS

9:42 PM ET

February 23, 2011

Indeed Diana Relke

You are splendidly right-- It won't hurt Americans either.

 

ALI IN TEHRAN

10:43 PM ET

February 23, 2011

I'll take the bet

I'll wager my meager life savings and Soros puts up let's say, a billion dollars. Come on George put your money where your mouth is.

 

SASAN TAYMOURIAN

6:46 AM ET

February 24, 2011

SOROS WILL MAKE NO BET

Soros will make no bet, because he knows he'll lose. Iran is rapidly on the rise and we must try to rebuild a relationship with it, before we lose the ME completely as China laughs.

 

DIOGOD

10:55 PM ET

February 23, 2011

Too early to say...

If Egypt, Tunisia and/or other countries manage to launch somewhat democratic regimesrun by civilians, the Arab world may indeed stop collaborating with the US and Israel as much, but I highly doubt that they will align themselves with Iran, Hamas, etc. Unless you believe that the only issues that matter for the middle east is Israel, in which case, you should be framing your talking points as 'Israeli interests' instead of American interests.
On the long run, a successful democratic Arab nation will certainly be a negative development for Iran, because it will pose as an example of a genuine democracy that is independent from the US. Soon enough, more and more Iranian youth will start looking at them with envy, and not the other way around.
The argument in this article rests entirely on the assumption that these Arab nations will indeed be run by Islamist parties. If that's not the case, guess who will be held accountable for their failed analysis...

 

FIORANGELA

8:46 AM ET

February 24, 2011

Look at a calendar and the history, diogod

1. The turmoil in the Middle East has been going on since around 1917 and the breakup of the Ottoman empire; specifically, when Woodrow Wilson reneged on Point 12 of his 14 Points promise of self-determination to the regions in the Middle East that had been under Ottoman control.

2. Iran wrested its sovereignty from the West in 1950s; West grabbed it back in 1953; Iran reclaimed its sovereignty in 1979 -- IMPERFECTLY, but Iran belonged to Iran, was run by Iranians. Appalled at that outcome, US supported Iraq in 8 years of war on Iran, to punish Iran for its upstart attitudes. Iran survived that, bandaged its wounds, and has been working gradually and IMPERFECTLY toward a more equitable economic model and a hybrid Islamic-republican-shared power system. Is it corrupt, inefficient, overly-religious? Yup. Iran should really, really be a more perfect form of government -- more like the perfect model of the non-corrupt, every vote counts (at least once) US, or like the "only democracy in the ME, Israel." THAT's perfection, boy oh boy.

3. Now ask yourself this question:
What moves have the Arab states made toward self-determination and control of their own political process and resources in that same time period? What displays of courage, and of willingness to fight and die for their autonomy, have Arab states demonstrated in the past 50+ years?

4. If it has taken Iran over 50 years to its present point of imperfect Islamic republican autonomy and self-government, and if the US and Israel worked at every step of the way to put obstacles in its path, who do you think is closer to the goal of achieving the fantasy land of "democracy" and freedom and livertea and justice for all by next week, Iran, which has been working on it for over 50 years, or Saudi Arabia, whose foot is glued to the starting block?

ThiMk, diogod.
Iran is half-way around the track. While Iranians are playing fusion on their iPhones, Egypt, Tunisia, Saudi Arabia, Bahrain are still looking through their stack of 45 rpms for that Carpenters song that was pukeworthy 40 years ago: "We've only just begun."

 

BAHRAMERAD

1:27 AM ET

February 24, 2011

Far out !

I fail to see or understand your statement that : " balance of influence and power across the Middle East had shifted significantly against the United States" .
The United State forces are now entrenched solidly in IRAQ - Kuwait - most of the Persian gulf states , Afghanistan, Georgia , Azerbaijan, Turkey ... etc.
Tell me how the influence of failed States like Iran and Syria has been enhanced since 2001 ?

 

SASAN TAYMOURIAN

6:44 AM ET

February 24, 2011

The only winner is Iran

The problem is that politicians in Washington are obsessed with winning and they simply can't come to terms with reality. Continued confrontation with Iran, hurts the US more than it hurts Iran. The current administration's policy effectively means shooting the US in the foot.

 

HASS

9:07 AM ET

February 24, 2011

Military power won't solve this

What's the old saying about when you only have a hammer, every problem looks like a nail? US military power is itself built on a house of cards called national debt to China. The only reason why the US military is "entrenched" (good choice of words!) in Iraq is because they can't get out. Despite US military power, there has been no victory in Iraq or Afghanistan, where barefoot, half-starved, semi-literate goat-herders have managed to drag this wars well past how long it took the Allies to defeat the combined forces of Impersial Japan, Nazi Germany and Fascist Italy. Turkey didn't even permit the US to use its soil to attack Iraq.

 

FIORANGELA

9:09 AM ET

February 24, 2011

At least Iran & Syria recognize the enemy, Bahramerad

Americans do not yet recognize that zionists, who deeply infiltrate US govt, and Soros, do NOT have the wellbeing of the US uppermost in their thoughts, they have the financial gain of zionia and Soros as their goals. US is merely the tool they are using at the moment. When the tool is used up, they will toss it aside and move on to the next state/tool to exploit for their own purposes.

Iran and Syria HAVE recognized that US and zionists do not have the wellbeing of Iran and Syria as their first priority.
Iran's 'success' lies in the fact that it did NOT fail.

Iraq is a failed state that will not be "fixed" for 100 years. The US is bankrupt. US cannot fix Iraq. If US can't fix Iraq, who can and who will?

Iran only has to hold out for about 7-10 years against the huge greed of Soros -- he's 80 years old. His kids are losers. His greedy empire will die with him.

If Iran is smart, it will strengthen its alliances with Turkey, Syria, Lebanon, China, India.

Never mind the Axis of Evil.
The axis of geography has shifted to the Indian Ocean. The US ain't there, and can't afford to rent an apartment in the neighborhood.

 

BAHRAMERAD

1:29 AM ET

February 24, 2011

Far out !

I fail to see or understand your statement that : " balance of influence and power across the Middle East had shifted significantly against the United States" .
The United State forces are now entrenched solidly in IRAQ - Kuwait - most of the Persian gulf states , Afghanistan, Georgia , Azerbaijan, Turkey ... etc.
Tell me how the influence of failed States like Iran and Syria has been enhanced since 2001 ?

 

BAHRAMERAD

1:29 AM ET

February 24, 2011

Far out !

I fail to see or understand your statement that : " balance of influence and power across the Middle East had shifted significantly against the United States" .
The United State forces are now entrenched solidly in IRAQ - Kuwait - most of the Persian gulf states , Afghanistan, Georgia , Azerbaijan, Turkey ... etc.
Tell me how the influence of failed States like Iran and Syria has been enhanced since 2001 ?

 

TECHGUY222

1:44 AM ET

February 24, 2011

Simple. By invading both of

Simple. By invading both of Iran's closest enemies (Saddam-era Sunni Iraq and Taliban-controlled Afghanistan), the neocons have unintentionally given Iran a Shiite Iraqi client state and an unstable Afghanistan open to Iranian influence.

And how is Turkey not leaning towards Iran? Are we forgetting that Erdogan is an Islamist that's trying to wean off American influence?

 

DMOR20

2:32 AM ET

February 24, 2011

wow

This is an incredibly stupid article. Obviously, removing Iran's most deadly enemy (hardly an Obama decision) in invading Iraq was pretty dumb, but a regime that has to beat up it's own people isn't an existential threat to the US.

 

HASS

9:10 AM ET

February 24, 2011

Iranians support Iran.

Regimes that beat up their own people are more likely to be US allies in the Mideast. What part of "there is no evidence of election fraud in Iran" was unclear?

 

DMOLONEY

9:46 AM ET

February 24, 2011

Not necessarily, look at iran

Not necessarily, look at iran and syria, syria along with saudi arabia are the two most oppressive followed by iran and libya. Both iran and syria have poor relations with the US while we have seen libya to be oppressive without being a US ally during the eighties and ninties.

 

FIORANGELA

9:46 AM ET

February 24, 2011

are you aware of how many protesters Israel kills each month?

Israel kills at least one, unarmed, peaceful protester every other day, week in and week out, year in and year out.

A few days ago the website Mondoweiss reported on the practice of IDF soldiers -- they pee on Palestinian children, pee on their faces; force 12 year old Palestinian children to drink out of toilets. Then they imprison those Palestinian children -- in the linked instance, a 13 year old Palestinian boy who was tortured and humiliated in that way was then sentenced to 8 months in jail. He joined over 11,000 other Palestinians whom Israel has imprisoned, for the "crime" of resisting Israeli theft of their lands.

check it out.

http://mondoweiss.net/2011/02/once-you-start-looking-at-the-truth-you-cant-stop-soldier-pisses-on-13-year-old-boy-boy-is-imprisoned-for-8-months.html

Most Americans are not aware of the routine occurrence of such acts of brutality by Israelis because the American media is heavily controlled by Israel loyalists. Few Americans have the courage to speak out against the odious acts Israel commits in Israel, nor against the control that Israel loyalists maintain over American lives.

I suggest that more American's are psychologically "beaten up" by their government, which is in service of zionist forces that have overwhelmed American government and institutions, than is the case in Iran.

 

FIORANGELA

9:28 AM ET

February 24, 2011

your analysis is flawed, Polly76

You act as if Iran's government is on the same US-puppet plane as was/may yet still be the governments of Egypt, Tunisia, and Bahrain.

I disagree.

I believe there is a fundamental difference between the nature of the authoritarianism that Iran imposes on its people, and the tyrannical control that the US-supported dictators impose on their people.

SEveral years ago George Friedman of Stratfor wrote an important analysis of Iran, explaining that because Iran is surrounded by people who covet Iran's resources, and Iran's borders are so vast, Iran feels compelled to exercise very firm internal control since the experience of having been subverted from within was very painful, and the probability of future attempts to subvert Iran is very high. So -- Iranian government acts defensively, attempting to keep its people under control, against the threat of outsiders invading and disrupting. In fact, we know that US has passed numerous pieces of legislation aimed at invading and disrupting Iran -- US is stupidly affirming the oppressive measures Iran's government feels it must take to keep Iranians under control.

The governments of the Arab states function much differently: US props up tyrants and looks the other way as monarchs, kleptocrats, and ludicrously corrupt government leaders steal from their country's economy and deprive the people of the goods and services they need; torture, censor, and disdain any and every attempt to break into the power core.

I have no doubt that Iranians experience their government as oppressive, and no doubt there are many corrupt public officials. But I think the nature of the divide between the people and their government in Iran is fundamentally different from the nature of the schism between the people and their government in the ARab states.

Iran is not perfect, but she has a 30-year head start on the ARab states.

Moreover, the situations in Bahrain, Egypt, Tunisia are very fluid. It is not at all apparent that the US and Israel will permit governments that are fully accountable to the people who protested to demand those rights. With so much at stake, the US and Israel are still fully involved in 'guiding' the government that will evolve.

For all its flaws, at least Iran is more in charge of its own future than are the Arab states.

 

JKOLAK

9:19 AM ET

February 24, 2011

Interesting article until the

Interesting article until the end:

"dealing constructively with an increasingly influential Islamic Republic in Iran.... how to deal with legitimate, genuinely independent Islamist movements"

Islamists only understand jihad and the ultimate triumph of Islam in the world. Their dealing is a monologue and consists solely of submit to Islam or die.

 

FIORANGELA

9:32 AM ET

February 24, 2011

JKolak, please give us an idea of your expertise

on the history and characteristics of Islam.

Did you attend Glenn Beck Looneyversity or someplace that is actually rational?

 

KARENYKARL

9:31 AM ET

February 24, 2011

Not so fast, Mr. & Ms. Leverett

Never underestimate the potential for animosity between Sunni and Shiite, Arab and Persian. Increased power does not necessarily translate into love.

 

HASS

11:53 AM ET

February 24, 2011

Doesn't matter

There doesn't have to be any love between Shiites and Sunnis for Iran to benefit from the fall of US puppet regimes in the Mideast. Note that Hamas is a Sunni organization.

 

WESTERNSKEPTIC

6:02 PM ET

February 24, 2011

common ennemy

It's an interesting thing about sectarian differences; they can easily be overcome when all parties unite against a single enemy.

The United States and their corporate proteges have been playing fast and loose with the world for decades and now and they are seeing the consequences of their hegemony and short-sightedness. You see, regardless of moral arguments and discussion, Iran is on the Arab people's side of the issues. America, in it's blind support of Israel and in propping up brutal dictators in the region to subvert the people's will, has put itself on the wrong side of history. This was not Obama's doing alone; it's been building up for decades of Western hegemony dating pack to the breakup of the Ottoman Empire.

However, there is not any mention of what the US is currently doing in those regions. We're acting as if there is a power vacuum waiting to be filled in the Middle East. There isn't. Both the ousted dictators and the major opposition leaders (Mohamed El-Baradei, et al.) are funded by US money either through Congress-funded NGOs (Freedom House, USAID, etc.) or private interests or military aid. If the US has it's way, there will simply be a regime change from a dictatorship to a friendly democratic bureaucracy. One should not underestimate this scenario.

The West is going to eventually have to come to terms with the fact that their support of Israel has put them on the wrong side of Arab opinion. By propping up brutal despots like Mubarak, Ben Ali, the Sauds, etc. they tried to have it both ways by suppressing the population into submission. Now that they are free, the West has a clear choice; go down the old path and galvanize Arab opposition to them, or become truly honest brokers and lose the support of Zionists.

 

NNDREZA

9:34 AM ET

February 24, 2011

persian think tank

Hmmm read this article and according to my point of view most of things which is written in here is not true .
for security concern i cant commend ...

 

DMOLONEY

9:50 AM ET

February 24, 2011

Overall this is a reasonable

Overall this is a reasonable piece, and the leveritts do have a pretty good track record, their views are also backed by stratfor and opinion polls.

Iran is definitely one of the worse goverments in the region, anyone who thinks otherwise should look at its listing on the reporters without borders index.

But it should also be remembered that relatively iran is a weak nation compared to the us and does not pose a real threat, both nations would be better off trying to bridge the gap between them which was created by overly hawkish fools in both nations.

 

SCOTT LUCAS

10:30 AM ET

February 24, 2011

Polemic, Not Analysis

This is a competent polemic on behalf of the regime, but --- if Foreign Policy is dedicated to analysis --- it does not belong here.

This is the familiar mix of the Leveretts There is a straw-man figure (George Soros). There is diatribe against the US Government --- not criticism of Washington's approach to the region, which I generally share with them --- but diatribe. There is sniping at others in the media.

And there is the repetition of claims about the internal situation in Iran which are unsupported (except for one paragraph on the rhetoric against opposition figures Mir Hossein Mousavi and Mehdi Karroubi —-- failing to mention the house arrests and latest wave of detentions).

There are numerous sources to consider the latest complexities in the political situation, including the regime's latest moves and the opposition marches. Despite the regime's efforts to cut off coverage, good LiveBlogs have been available at BBC Persian, Mardomak, Iran News Now, Dissected News, A Street Journalist, and EA WorldView. There is a wealth of discussion and debate on the opposition websites, from Rah-e-Sabz to Rooz Online. There are the semi-official sites inside Iran: Tabnak, ILNA, ISNA, Alef, Ayande, Khabar Online.

There is no evidence that the Leveretts have consulted any of these, drawing their superficial portrayal instead from a couple of persons supporting the regime line, notably Tehran University academic Seyed Mohammad Marandi.

I put this not to advocate a position on Iran's political situation, although I do have an active interest in the defense of rights and promotion of civil society. I do not put this to cheer-lead for the Green Movement: indeed, the debates amongst the opposition indicate that we are far beyond the "Green Movement" as it existed in 2009 and early 2010.

Instead, I would note both the opposition's optimism that it could get enough people on the streets on 14 and 20 February to be noticed, while at the same time looking at the regime's efforts to quash that opposition with steps such as the cut-off of Mousavi and Karroubi and the detention of hundreds in the last 10 days. And of course this is in a wider context, with debates between Parliament and President, with the current headline furor over Hashemi Rafsanjani's position on the Assembly of Experts, and with serious divisions amongst senior clerics, such as the recent dispute between supporters of Grand Ayatollah Vahid Khorasani and Ayatollah Mesbah Yazdi.

While none of us can be objective, I think this deserves far more than soap-box declarations and the burning of straw men.

 

HASS

11:56 AM ET

February 24, 2011

Scott, Scott, Scott....

Scott, you can disagree with the Leveretts but the opening line accusing them of working for the regime is below you and smacks of the MEK rhetoric in which everyone is an "agent of the Mullahs" except for the MEK. It is precisely this sort of black-white mentality that has discredited EA. BTW are you still claiming that the regime banned the color green?

 

SCOTT LUCAS

12:40 PM ET

February 24, 2011

Polemic, Not Substance

Stick with substance of the comment, rather than diversion --- saying that a piece is supportive of the regime's line is not the same as saying the Leveretts work for the regime.

 

HASS

3:47 PM ET

February 25, 2011

Don't throw fit Scott

Oh PUHHLEEEZE Scott, trying to paint yourself as objective is just silly now. You accuse Leveretts of writing "on behalf of the regime" and characterize their writing as a "diatribe" etc and yet you provide not a single factual refutation other than to mention of a list of mostly pro-green websites which you claim somehow (unspecified) contradict the Leveretts. That's not "substance" as much as it is a hissy fit.

So let me know again, are you still claiming that the regime banned the color green or not?

 

HASS

3:47 PM ET

February 25, 2011

Don't throw fit Scott

Oh PUHHLEEEZE Scott, trying to paint yourself as objective is just silly now. You accuse Leveretts of writing "on behalf of the regime" and characterize their writing as a "diatribe" etc and yet you provide not a single factual refutation other than to mention of a list of mostly pro-green websites which you claim somehow (unspecified) contradict the Leveretts. That's not "substance" as much as it is a hissy fit.

So let me know again, are you still claiming that the regime banned the color green or not?

 

EBOY

10:48 AM ET

February 24, 2011

More blame Throwers

You're article is incomplete! Tell the readers what you would have the Obama administration do concerning the mid east. This is just another rant from the department of "I told you soers". The fact is that any flavor of U.S. administrations are helpless and toothless in influencing changes in the middle east short of military involvement. How these thug regimes treat their own people is not to be blamed on the U.S. Tell us...just what is "an islamist political order".

 

HASS

11:57 AM ET

February 24, 2011

What to do.

Here's a start: give up on 32 years of hoping and praying for the end of the IRI, and start constructively engaging Iran. Ending sanctions will do more to promote human rights in Iran than anyhting else.

 

WESTERNSKEPTIC

6:26 PM ET

February 24, 2011

Actually, it is to be blamed on the US (and EU)

You're half-right. You're right that the Obama administration pretty much had it's hands tied. It has done exactly what the Council on Foreign Relations would have said it should have done: overtly supporting the regimes, while covertly supporting the main opposition. As the crisis goes on, begin urging for "calm and orderly transition" or "evolution, not revolution" and and stick to that line. If the regime falls, you can claim to have been with the protesters; if the regime survives, you haven't eroded your trust from within the regime. And that's exactly what they did. However, thanks to the internet and the age of information, their cynical ploy is beginning to be exposed the world around and just as the internet was the downfall of Mubarak and Ben Ali, ultimately the internet will be the end of the American Empire; an empire built on covert operations and secrecy in the age of leaks and information warfare.

However, you're wrong that the US is toothless or not to blame for the situation in the Middle East. US money funds the repression of Arabs through the military and financial support of the regimes that keep them in check. That's like saying charities who fund terrorist groups aren't to blame for the actions of the groups they fund, and we both know that's preposterous. It's military and diplomatic support of Israel, Egypt and Tunisia is partly to blame for the situation today, while the IMF (aka the financial arm of the West) is largely to blame. Had Egypt and Tunisia had more control over their economies and were able to subsidize oil and food (the prices thereof were skyrocketing), they may have weathered the crisis better like Jordan, Algeria and Syria have. However, deregulation at the behest of the IMF had rendered these regimes helpless in controlling their starving populations.

 

XTIANGODLOKI

12:45 PM ET

February 24, 2011

We just will have to see next year won't we?

Leverett's realism filled article seems to struck the nerves of neocon types. Until very recently I would think Levertts' predictions are more likely to come true in a year, but the realists failed to predict the spreading of the revolutions in Arab land.

I hope that after a year we all get to revisit this article again and see if the Leveretts were right.

 

HASS

5:18 PM ET

February 24, 2011

And the next year, and the next year...

Problem is, we've been told that the IRI will fall on a daily basis, for over 32 years. How much longer will we allow wishful thinking to get in the way of constructive engagement?

 

PUPIL

1:14 PM ET

February 24, 2011

Another Millenium lasting Reich?

These two "scholars" declare that majority of the Persians do not mind living under totalitarian Islamism and actually enjoy murdering people inside their state entity and abroad. They may be right. We know that the Germans between 1933 and 1945 also enjoyed mass killing of everyone but the faithful Nazis and pure Aryans.

But it does not matter. The US should first and foremost resist Iranian aggression and defending freedom, democracy of Iraq, Israel and traditionalist non-aggressive countries like Jordain or even the Saudis outside of Iran. It is clear what we want - destruction of the genocidal regime regardless of what intoxicated and brainwashed Persian supremacists want.

I am confident and all the dynamics point only in one direction: Iran cannot stop its slippage into military aggression directed at the core at Israel but more likely starting as wars against the others. Exactly like Hitler war against Jews logically necessitated aggressions against Czechs, Poles, Russians, Serbs - also subhuman races. England, France and America did not want to "protect the Jews", but they did not want Germans to rule the world.

This time we need to "protect the Jews". It will minimize the damage to ourselves. This country should be ready to resist and eventually end the Iranian Nazism exactly as we crashed Germany and Italy in Europe. We need to forge a formal bilateral defense treaty with Israel and extend its framework to Iraq, then to Gulf principalities and Jordain.

Whoever they are, these Leveretts are absolutely right in one sense - Obama is a disaster. He just does not have skills and he is always late. They push him towards the Chamberlain policy. I want the Churchill's for us. It is important for all anti-fascist Americans to start working together against another Nazi incarnation.

 

ALEX TROF

1:27 PM ET

February 24, 2011

Exaggeration

The authors are way to inclined to comment on Iranian strength in the region. The assumption of Iran's influence is unfounded. Iran is economically and militarily weak. Their economy and military lags so far behind developed countries that to assume that Iran is becoming a major international player is laughable. Iran is holding on because of their resources (oil); they don't have high tech, manufacturing, or even advanced farming industries. Their military is outdated.

Just like Soviet Union of 1970 and 80s. It is has huge internal deficiencies, but because of its vocal opposition to the U.S. and its allies, it remains popular amongst some individuals. Iran will never attack Israel, U.S. or any other country for that matter. Doing so is a suicide for that regime and they know it.

We need to stop worrying about Iran. Without a boogie man U.S. and "Zionist Israel", regime will have nothing to feed its masses. And lets not underestimate that fact that Persians are not like Arabs. They have their own distinct culture and traditions like Turkey. Very many of them see Islam as something external, forced upon them. Not sure if the numbers are correct but only 14% of Persians thought Sharia law should be applied to political sphere (7% of Turks think so, and over 60% of Egyptians). Secular forces in Iranian society will prevail, just as they did in Turkey. It is just a matter of time.

 

PIROUZ

4:15 PM ET

February 24, 2011

Speaking of Wagers

This is an amusing anecdote. A year ago, someone at Iranian.com insisted we make a wager. Her bet was the Islamic Republic of Iran would be overthrown in a year's time. She was dead set on betting $100 and almost demanded I provide contact details to secure the wager.

I told her I didn't want to take her money. I tried to coax her into a "gentlemen" type bet but she insisted on the $100.

Well, it's been a year now. She would have lost the $100. (I'm glad I didn't take here money, as her emotional dejection is surely injury enough).

Soros is just grandstanding or ill informed. No dispassionate and careful observer would make such a bet.

This is another fine piece by the Leveretts. Good of FP to publish it. I only wish relevant officials currently serving in the USG would pay attention. These two have been consistently proven right nearly all of the time, where others have been consistently wrong.

 

GUWINSTER

5:39 PM ET

February 24, 2011

The authors confuse the

The authors confuse the declining domestic influence of autocratic Arab regimes such as Saudi Arabia (and obviously Egypt, Libya etc.) with an increase in the influence of Iran. The only countries truly beginning to lean towards Iran are led by autocrats (such as Syria), the same kind of countries that are falling in mass throughout the Middle East. It is yet to be seen whether an Arab democracy or whatever else emerges in Egypt and Tunisia will turn to Iran.
Of course it is doubtful that they will. Arab countries will always look first towards a strong Arab leader. If no such strong Arab leader or country emerges from the current turmoil, then the Arabs are much more likely to follow Turkey which is charting an independent, mediating role in the Middle East, unlike the Iranians who are run by reactionaries some of whom may very well be criminally insane.

Which leads me to my second point, the authors make it sound as if Turkey (and other countries) are capitulating to Iran. The only reason Turkey is "drawing close to Iran" is because it increases their power. Currently, Turkey is exponentialy more powerful than Iran, both economically and militarily. Could it be that they, the only true Muslim democracy in the Middle East, are the real winners? Could it be that they are who the Egyptians and Bahrainis truely model themselves on? Of course not because the authors are Iranian apologists.

Iran is economically disjointed (despite new trade policies in Turkey). Politically it is far from a unitary actor (even amongst the new-age ruling conservatives). Iran lacks a professional and properly equiped military. Inequities between its regular military and the revolutionary guard would hurt it in any conflict and could become a source for internal instability. Turkey would beat Iran in a war. Israel would beat Iran in a war. Even the Egyptian military would beat Iran in a war. The US would definately beat Iran in a war, and so by extension our weakened allies in Saudi Arabia and elsewhere would also win any conflict with Iran (as the US would be drawn in). None of this looks likely to change anytime soon.

 

IRONWORKER

9:28 PM ET

February 25, 2011

Iran and turkey

I don't disagree with the writer turkey is on the the rise. I do think he underestimates Iran's soft power and defenses. War with Iran now is out of the question. Last time I looked at a map turkey was nowhere near the Persian gulf.

 

MAY15THPROPHECY

6:12 PM ET

February 24, 2011

The 100% accuracy of the May 15th Prophecy

Flynt Leverett is spot on in his analysis when it come to so-called "green movement' which is all propaganda

(just read the Rolling Stone article "Another Runaway General: Army Deploys Psy-Ops on U.S. Senators)
http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/another-runaway-general-army-deploys-psy-ops-on-u-s-senators-20110223?page=1

Which is just more evidence to the 100% accuracy of the May 15th Prophecy, read the May 15th Prophecy and you will see exactly what is about to happen next!

 

SHAMS ZAMAN

3:19 AM ET

February 25, 2011

A brilliant Analysis

I would just say that in my opinion it was a brilliant and a very accurate analysis. There was hardly any room for any disagreement. It is indeed pleasure to read such insightful and precisely analysed articles.

Shams Zaman - Pakistan

 

MHZ

10:29 AM ET

February 25, 2011

US Rollbacks 40 years ago

If today new governments of the Egypt come up from the American Governments favorite list, still is a big u-turn and rollback to about 40 years ago in the Middle East and US probably attacks to Libya's Muammar al-Qaddafi regime, because needs strong base in that region. Mad Dog Qaddafi is making Human rights excuse to occupy his country by NATO and Pentagon. He is rolling-back his country to 40 years ago how Saddam did in Iraq and "In the name of democracy" Bootocracy (Democracy in boot) occupied their civilization. Last year's green movement supported by the US officials in Iran ignited the region. The White House MUST know a basic rule of thumb: "If you spit up side then run away other wise it will back on your face."

 

IRONWORKER

9:09 PM ET

February 25, 2011

you are correct sir

I think we may find that those long and lengthy trails in Iran taught the mullahs a little network theory and gave them a toolbox. turn around is a b!tch.

 

IRONWORKER

9:35 PM ET

February 25, 2011

stunex

now that I think of it, Iran's cyber war capability has just gotten a massive boast too.

 

DR. SARDONICUS

10:00 PM ET

February 25, 2011

Is that all you got?

With respect to the Leveretts’ thesis (barring the “Obama is Bad” kneejerk), two alternatives present themselves.

Iranian influence may increase. Like reactionaries everywhere, the mullahs will make sure that anyone with a brain will be barred from power. And, like Republicans who held power in the USA, they will thereby fall flat on their face. Heightened influence will merely give them license to shoot themselves in the foot; that’s what they do best.

Otherwise, Iranian influence will be thinned by the perpetual musical chairs of Turkish, Iranian, Sunni and Shia Arab power groups, and the viral shift of their mercenary satellites that permits no outside analysis more than a year or two’s relevance and accuracy, and that may validate almost any schmo’s prediction, if only for a year or two.

Meanwhile, the USA, the EU and China will sit on the sidelines, fishing for puppets to manipulate – that audience of deep pockets and massed firepower being the only element of this game that has changed for the last thousand years. Big. Deal.

The only thing the populations of these four primary players hate worse than their own government and each other, is Israel. By sheer numbers, by sheer attrition, and with the passage of merciless time, Israel as currently established is doomed. So is U.S. Mid East policy, as long as ankle-chained to that big fat liability. Improvise, adapt and evolve; or die the slow death of hubris, magical thinking and dull brains.

Speaking of which, I am struck by the intellectual sterility revealed in this article and its appended comments. Are we doomed to choose between the simple-mindedness of Neocons or that of “Obama is Bad” reactionaries, with nothing more sophisticated on offer? Is that bathos the sum total of creativity and savvy within and without the concrete-lined Beltway?

 

HUMANIST_2

10:15 PM ET

February 25, 2011

Some thoughts on Soros

The interview of George Soros with Farid Zakaria was thought provoking, watch it here

http://www.cnn.com/video/data/2.0/video/podcasts/fareedzakaria/site/2011/02/20/gps.podcast.02.20.cnn.html

I have been observing Soros for many years. He is one of interesting (outstanding) billionaire characters of our time. He is known to engross $27b and as the text of the above video showed he has spent $7b of his money on promotion of democracy !(?). $7b is indeed a huge sum of money. ( replacing $1 with one second, $7b is equivalent of 221 years. In other words if in year 1790 a hypothetical robot had started counting non-stop (24/7) $1 a second, just by now it would’ve finished counting) (or if a typical 20 year old bank employee’s job is only counting $10 bills, a bill a second, by the time he had counted all $7b he would’ve been over 100 years old !)

When I think of Soros I remember this: In the 1970's an American general was kidnaped by Italian Marxist-Leninist Red Brigades Group. A committee was set up by Americans to rescue the general. The head of the committee believed “you can BUY everyone even those who are known to be honest since he believed the integrity of EVERYONE is for sale, only the price differs from person to person”. He offered one million dollars for information resulting in general’s freedom. Soon after the offer was publicized one of the communists of the Brigade surfaced, arranged the exchange of the money and revealed the location of hideout. The general was successfully liberated!

Of course there are a very small fraction of the population who are not for sale regardless of the enormity of the sum, but I believe due to the way the human beings have evolved and especially in this age of moronic materialism the majority of people will sell their soul for the enchanted big ‘greens’. The kind of money that enables them to buy big houses, expensive cars, lots of sex, lots of power or fun and so on.

Soros is potentially a dangerous man. Most probably he (and others like him) have been busy BUYing people in critical positions all around the world. Imagine if the average price for a parliamentarian, or a minister in Europe and US is say TWO MILLION dollars, then Soros is single handedly capable of buying all the of American and European government ministers, elected parliamentarians, senators and even supreme court judges. Such a grand purchase could have cost him only a fraction of his wealth.

With such an colossal power he is also, if he wants to, capable of destroying whoever refuses his offers or dares to stand on his way.

In extrapolating this, imagine how many more hard-core super wealthy Capitalists or Zionists are out there who are ardently opinionated and are willing to spend many millions to further their causes. For some of these folks 10 million is becoming like a small change (especially considering the fact that the wealth of the super rich is ‘exponentially’ ever-increasing).

What an amazing troubling phenomenon. After knowing the above think of how appalling the world is becoming (or already has become).

Ample portrayal of the political George Soros requires many pages of explanation.Here I just mention a few relevant points:

1- I remember in 1990s the Prime Minister of Malaysia badly insulted Israel. Sometimes later the economy of many Asian countries including Malaysia encountered an acute crisis that resulted in the (severe?) devaluation of the currency of those countries. At the time many accused George Soros who (single handedly?) had concocted the crisis. I remember reading on how in this world a determined rich and powerful man can embark havoc on 100s of millions. A rich man who, in the process of enacting the plot and teaching a lesson to top political authorities, had collectively punished tens of millions of the Asian poor. I have to say I do not have any data to vindicate that allegation. I just reflect on one of my unforgettable recollections involving Soros

2- He is a monumental example of arrogance and self-righteousness that is plaguing many rich and powerful people who possess analytical minds for making fortunes. Those whose success in becoming super rich alters the circuitry of their brains making them believe they themselves are super thus they can act as god creating conditions for the ‘betterment’ of the world!. I think Soros and other individuals who fit the above description are incapable of understanding the complexity of the dynamism that drives the human evolution.

Soros is well known to be the orchestrator of the Color Revolutions. I am thinking did he envisage, for example, the Georgian Revolution would empower the Israelis digging their foothold there deeper, something which in the long run will become detrimental to well-being of the Georgian people? Does he care about such dreadful outcome or that is what he wants?

Can he see the similarity of parts of his action and those of tyrants like Hitler? Hitler also wanted to use his immense power to better the world for his beloved Germans!. In the beginning he apparently succeeded but did Hitler had the vision to see far horizons? Didn’t he fail because the vectors of the forces of his actions were in opposite direction to the complicated evolutionary forces that were at work at the time? Does Soros know any ‘action’ causing any type of pain to ‘other’ tribes has a proportional ‘blowback’ since the physical law of ‘for any action there is a reaction’ also applies to human societies?

Has he ever thought why in the past primitive wars, when the majority of males were killed in battles, only in couple of generations the excessive male birth had compensated for that loss?

Can Soros see his artificial and superficial changes in any human society have only temporary effects since the forces for forward human evolution are immensely more powerful and more complex in such a way, when viewed in long terms of time no single human being is capable of permanently altering the course of those evolutions..

3- From his passion for staging pro-west (pro-Israel?) revolutions I guess he probably believes, overall, the expansion of democracies is helpful to Israel simply because European and North American democracies are all the principal backers of Israel. If so or if he intends to keep his newly created democracies under control then he must be delusional. No one doubts if all of Middle Eastern regimes become truly civil democracies then all of them will unite in earnest to combat the only arrogant apartheid state in the world which has ruthlessly victimized and humiliated them for many long decades..

4- I am w sure Soros’ general world view is (not surprisingly) skewed in other ways. Just in this video and as mentioned in this enlightening article he claims he’ll bet the Iranian regime will collapse within a year. This clearly indicates his political illiteracy and inability to analyze the events intelligently.. He probably sees IRI as a simple inflexible entity which is not as most probably he doesn’t know the present day Iran is NOT the same as it was just a decade ago. He also can’t properly evaluate how the chemistry of the brains of Iranians changed during the Iran-Iraq war. I think if the lower class masses keep supporting the regime and more importantly if Israel and US continue to threaten Iran with destructions (something Iranian know how barbaric that can be), then IRI could definitely last for many many years or even decades despite the fact that the regime is a theocratic pseudo-democracy and some of the laws of the country are based on primitive ancient or on medieval rules.

There are many other stories about George Soros like his organization’s attempt to corrupt liberal or antiwar groups, he and Bill Moyers etc. I only recommend reading his book, interviews or writings. Then you might find out why he is overall a dangerous character.

On the above video:

When Soros talks about recent protests in Iran, Zakaria asks him “..could WE do something to further these trends?..” Someone should tell Zakaria, “seems those 6 figure cheques are tasting sweet and (subconsciously?) are driving you to lick the bottom of your powerful guests with pleasure, telling them stuff they enjoy to hear.... hey buddy...have you forgotten your roots.. ..it is only up to Iranians to plan their destinies and alter the trends....not to Kissnger or Soros....if you had any decency you should have shown this to Sir George the results of western Polls on Iran or the poll of the Brookings Institute.

There is so much more in that video, watch it....don’t miss the last part where Majd and Sadjadpour present their differing views on Iran. You might also understand why Sadjadpour who has in the past pumped so many consequentially false information on Iran to US media is still invited to TV shows.

 

PROVING YOU WRONG

1:37 AM ET

February 27, 2011

Are you kidding me?

Okay, so I see a lot of dumb comments either pro or against the Leveretts here, many of them from people who know nothing about the ME, and even more from the IRI's cyber brigade (really, Ali in Tehran? you're telling me that a guy with a meager income in Tehran is commenting on foreignpolicy.com? lol).

I've been to Iran recently and here's what I can tell you: the sanctions ARE working. Things are getting more scarce. Hospitals are having a tough time getting equipment, and Iran's joke of a national airline is more or less grounded (but the regime's cronies get to run their own mini-airlines, mostly thanks to decommissioned Russian Topolov planes). The Green movement has lost much of its steam, but NOT its power in public consciousness. If anything, people are far better educated right now than before, thanks to BBC Persian's great programming. And surprisingly enough, VOA has a huge following as well. On the other hand, very few people watch state TV for political news.

Anybody who tells you the regime is in a position of strength needs their head examined. Iranians aren't dumb. State TV can spin the movements in Egypt, Tunisia, Libya, Bahrain, Morocco, and so on as being about Muslims wanting more Islam in their government, but nobody believes that and I believe in a few months time when Egypt and Iran are as bitter enemies as before the truth will become even more apparent.

One more thing: almost nobody outside of Iran has been reporting on Ahmadinejad's discontinuing of all state subsidies. The price of bread has gone up ten-fold, and gasoline rationing will begin in earnest in a few weeks. So far, there hasn't been too much public rioting over this, thanks to some vouchers the government handed out to the very poor and some loopholes that allow you to get more gasoline than the rations will give you. But, once the new prices are actually enforced, we'll see the truth to the lie that the Leverett's and Ahmadi's other friends in the Western media are pushing, that Ahmadi somehow works for the Iranian poor and they love him. They are the ones who will suffer from these high prices, not the rich kids of north Tehran. And judging by my last visit, people know they're getting screwed.

Anyway, I don't know what side I come down on regarding Mr. Soros' bet. I don't think revolutions can be predicted. Three months ago, nobody would have thought that a bunch of government thugs pushing around a fruit vendor would lead to him setting himself on fire and inspiring people in a dozen neighbouring countries to rise up and protest against their governments, not to mention the toppling of the 30+ year dictator in his own country. History works in mysterious ways.

The revolution is dead. Long live the revolution.

 

HUMANIST_2

10:21 AM ET

February 27, 2011

A typical 'Western' comment

Have you seen the February 11, 2010 satellite images of Iranian pro-government demonstrations? The sizes of the crowds are 'immensely' astounding, they are way more telling than all of your assertive ‘intellectual’ subjective judgments.

Yes of course quite a few groups (classes) of Iranians are not happy with the regime. The IRI constitution is a joke. They can hang anyone who just doubts the existence of god ....and dozens of other very serious shortcomings in every aspect of Iranian society.

Yet because of the past ‘extreme’ pain and humiliations exerted on them by ruthless foreigners, when the time comes, when the winds of revolt are blowing from the west, then all even the Iranian atheists will join ‘together’ to defend the corrupt mullahs.

That is what you couldn’t see in your visit to Iran.

You can’t judge accurately all the complex issues of any society just by one short visit there....or by 10 visits....or more.... especially when your world-view is skewed ...or screwed up?

 

PROVING YOU WRONG

4:03 PM ET

February 27, 2011

Dumbass alert

Hey mullahist,
Since I didn't make this clear in my first post, I'm 100% through and through Iranian, by birth, upbringing, and everyone on the planet related to me except for myself is currently in Iran. My family is not rich or Tehrani or anything like that, we're from one of Iran's rural provinces and I can tell you the following:
a) pro-government demonstrations my ass, how stupid do you have to be to believe that in a country like Iran there can ever be spontaneous pro-government demonstrations? I'll tell you what happened: gov't employees (ie a lot of teachers, police, hospital employees, utilities employees) were told in the workplace to show up at the rallies. Simple as that. No ifs or buts.
b) What's this bullshit about Iranians hating Westerners? Yes, they hate the British. And the French. Most European countries actually , except Germany, since most of those powers at one point tried to take over Iran. But very few people hate America. And the number of people hating all of the above is still less than the numbers hating the regime. Iran has over 180,000 people leaving the country every year (mostly to the US, Canada, Scandinavia, and Australia) the world's highest brain drain and an unusually high emigration number for a country of that level of GDP. Put two and two together.
c) nobody will ever come to the defense of the mullahs. They will come to the defense of their country, eg if the US did a land invasion, but nobody, especially not the "Iranian atheists", will ever give up their life for the mullahs. You know why? BECAUSE PEOPLE ALREADY DID ONE TIME AND THEY REGRET IT. If you've ever talked to a father who lost six of his sons in the Iran-Iraq war, and I can guarantee a smug contrarian POS like you never has, you would know that most Iranians view the last war pretty cynically and think a lot of their sacrifices were for nothing as their freedom was quickly taken away by snake oil salesmen.

I know people like you, they're the hardcore left wing or hardcore right wing Westerners who have a very specific agenda (no more intervention abroad) and will go to any length to justify it. Your type defended Gaddhafi as the true voice of the Libyan people for years, even as we now see that his days are at an end. You defended Slobodan Milosevic, even as most Serbs were sick of his warmongering ways. Your new lover is Ahmadi, and when he meets the same end all those guys do, you'll find another reason to hate US foreign policy.

 

GROTA BUP

2:15 PM ET

March 22, 2011

Just in this video and as

Just in this video and as mentioned in this enlightening article he claims he’ll bet the Iranian regime will collapse within a year. This clearly indicates his political illiteracy and inability to analyze the events intelligently.. He probably bwin sees IRI as a simple inflexible entity which is not as most probably he doesn’t know the present day Iran is NOT the same as it was just a decade ago. He also can’t properly evaluate how the chemistry of the brains of Iranians changed during the Iran-Iraq war. I think if the lower class masses keep supporting the regime and more importantly if Israel and US continue to threaten Iran with destructions (something Iranian know how barbaric that can be), then IRI could definitely last for many many years or even decades despite the fact that the regime is a theocratic pseudo-democracy.
The price of bread has gone up ten-fold, and gasoline rationing will begin in earnest in a few weeks. So far, there hasn't been too much public rioting over this,stan james thanks to some vouchers the government handed out to the very poor and some loopholes that allow you to get more gasoline than the rations will give you. But, once the new prices are actually enforced, we'll see the truth to the lie that the Leverett's and Ahmadi's other friends in the Western media are pushing, that Ahmadi somehow works for the Iranian poor and they love him. They are the ones who will suffer from these high prices, not the rich kids of north Tehran. And judging by my last visit, people know they're getting screwed.
I believe due to the way the human beings have evolved and especially in this age of moronic materialism the majority of people will sell their soul for the enchanted big ‘greens’. The kind of money that enables them to buy big houses, expensive cars, lots of sex, lots of power or fun