The Inmates Are Running the Asylum

Libya's tenure on the U.N. Human Rights Council is just the latest example of how the international system has been hijacked by the world's most repressive regimes.

BY DANIEL AYALON | MARCH 2, 2011

The recent unrest in parts of the Arab world has not only exposed the appalling lack of development in these countries, but also a number of fundamental deficiencies in the international system. The United Nations, which began its life with a plurality of democratic nations, now allows for an automatic majority of nondemocratic nations. The international system dictates that Arab and Islamic nations, and their knee-jerk defenders, have a majority in almost all of its bodies. This is amply demonstrated by the disproportionate amount of time spent condemning Israel.

If there were ever an example of the inmates running the asylum, it is the U.N. Human Rights Council. This body has whitewashed the human rights record of some of the world's most repressive regimes, while also providing them with a forum to ruminate on and condemn the actions of a free and open nation, Israel.

The Libyan regime, which is currently massacring its citizens in a desperate bid to remain in power, successfully sought a place on the Human Rights Council only last year. U.N. General Assembly Resolution 60/251, which created the council, stated that when electing members of the council, U.N. member states "shall take into account the contribution of candidates to the promotion and protection of human rights." Only through an Orwellian flight of fancy could Libya's contribution to the promotion and protection of human rights ever have been considered positive. Recent events have made it more akin to a sick joke.

Nevertheless, in a secret ballot, 155 states voted in favor of granting Libya a coveted place on the council. These votes were given to a country that was known to be involved in extrajudicial and summary executions, brutal torture, and aiding and abetting international terrorism.

Even now, the United Nations has dithered on its responsibility to the Libyan people. It only recently decided to suspend the Libyan delegation from the council, after many days and hundreds of Libyans murdered. Even the Arab League moved quicker than the United Nations to suspend Libya in light of the violence meted out by Muammar al-Qaddafi and his regime.

Until recent events shook the Qaddafi regime's grip on power, the Human Rights Council had proved more than willing to overlook its egregious human rights abuses. The council recently released a lengthy report partly praising Libya's human rights record, with many on the council commending the Libyan regime for such things as its "democracy" and "the importance that the country attached to human rights." What a joke.

The recent human rights outrages in Libya are only the latest example of how repressive dictatorships have perverted the mission of this ostensibly august body. The international human rights organization Freedom House's September 2010 "report card" on the council found that its "membership has become increasingly populated by authoritarian countries" -- including Saudi Arabia and Cuba -- and "continues to earn failing grades on its ability to respond to the world's most pressing human rights issues."

The report further lambasted the council for its "disproportionate focus on Israel" and for becoming "appallingly politicized and dominated by some of the world's most aggressive opponents of universal standards on human rights."

Indeed, Qaddafi's regime is far from the first repressive autocracy to serve on the Human Rights Council. In fact, the majority of nations currently sitting on the council are not even considered "free" by Freedom House's extensive and detailed ranking system. Israel, on the other hand, is consistently rated as "free."

Many government officials and commentators have questioned Israel's noncompliance with the Human Rights Council, particularly in its inquiries into our defensive operations. These have included the infamous Goldstone Commission and the so-called "independent international fact-finding mission on the incident of the humanitarian flotilla," which examined Israel's attempt to prevent a breaking of its legal sea blockade by hostile and violent activists.

In light of recent events and the wretched human rights record of many of the council's members, it should be considered a badge of honor to be condemned by such a body. If Qaddafi is the judge of what constitutes respect for human rights, then consider us -- and all democracies -- guilty.

The people of our region are speaking in great numbers about the need for freedom, transparency, and accountability. Too many countries in the world have allowed political or financial expediency to color their judgment on international cooperation. It is time that all decent nations advance policies to coincide with a just human rights agenda, rather than being caught in embarrassing collusion with murderous dictators.

The U.N. Human Rights Council has once again proved itself outside the evolution and progress of history. The people of our region deserve better -- and are hopefully slowly moving the Middle East to a better place. Let's hope the council does not continue to serve as a barrier to their hopes and expectations.

STAN HONDA/AFP/Getty Images

 

Daniel Ayalon is Israel's deputy minister of foreign affairs.

VERITAS123

10:28 PM ET

March 2, 2011

I guess some pople have a problem with Israel

People like Martin and Aurangzeb are the exact people this article berates. Lunitics who go who cannot hear the word Israel without grinding their teeth. Obviously the fact that the above posters don't even accept Israel as a legitimate entitiy speaks a lot

Obviously Israel is far from perfect but does not compare with Libya, Sudan, or Iran all of which have merited far less resolutions from the HRC. Which happens to be the point of the article: the Arab bloc in the U.N. seems far less interested in criticizing fellow countries than others.

 

OLIVER CHETTLE

11:01 PM ET

March 2, 2011

You employ the usual approach

You employ the usual approach of slurring all opponents of Israel without any concern for evidence. I am a secular conservative English democrat, and I was disgusted to see who has been employed to write this article. I used to be one of Israel's useful idiots, but that was during the Cold War, and when the Cold War ended, I woke up to reality. If the editors sincerely wished to address the flaws of the HRC Council - an idiocy which should be abolished, in my opinion - they should not have commissioned an article from a writer with an obvious conflict of interest.

 

BETZ55

11:34 AM ET

March 3, 2011

Poor Danny

Past his expiration date, a dinosuaer in the 21st century. Danny - the situation in Libya has been going on in the mmedia for what? A week? Two weeks? Before that Israel, and you, couldn't have given a shit about Libya.

The apartheid, racist, oppression of the Palestinians by Israel, and you, has been going on for 60 years, quite a difference. Before you get your panties in a wad about Libya, I ask you, for how long did you think that Israel would be allowed to arrest and piss on Palestinian children, steal and destroy Palestinian land, enforce a barbaric siege against Gaza, murder peaceful protesters, look the other way while settlers murder Palestinians with impunity and just get away with it?

Human rights violation? Libya has NOTHING on Israel. And the UN? You and AIPAC held Obama hostage so you got your veto, if it didn't make you nervoue you wouldn't have spend so much time and energy making sure Obama didn't veto.

Got news for you. The UN created Israel and they will create the state of Palestine. Leave Libya and the UN alone. You need to clean up your own delegitimized mess first. Got it?

 

BFRY1981

12:30 PM ET

March 3, 2011

Libya is bad, ergo Israel can;t be held accountable???

You know, if I had a dollar for every time an Israel apologist siad that the Arab regimes around it are worse, so you're criticism of Israel is invalid, I could retire. I do not think that anyone doubts Libya is more oppressive than Israel. But Israel is a memeber of the Western Democratic Club, which means it is not supposed to point ot the world's worst actors and say AHA we're better than that, but to follow the human rights records of the best nations in this regard. Just because Libya and Quaddafi are awful doesn't mean that no one can say Ísrael's treatment of the Palestinians is awful, too, or that there is not serious and legitimate criticism that Israel deserves. Particularly when one considers the amount of U.S. aid and foreign trade involving Israel, if anything the inetrnational community should demand more from such a close partner, form a country that routinely touts is "democratic" credentials. I am not so naive as in Gaza and the West Bank for nearly 45 years. Where is their participation and vote in the Israeli system that dominates them?

What is next, will Israel start saying, well, look at Kim Jong-Il. We're not that bad! So we are seemingly bound by the logic that if a body has one or more members which are far from perfect, that body cannot say anything legitimately negative about another country, thereby invalidating any such criticism. How sad. I though Israel was a product of Enlightenment, European, rationalistic culture...

 

BETZ55

2:17 PM ET

March 3, 2011

JGARBUZ

Please, just shut up. You incessant pro-israel apologist stance is not only embarrassing but down right ignorant. The facts are out there and now hasbarist spin will make them otherwise.

You act like none of us here can Google, read, understand the facts, or disseminate information. Your reply to every post here proves that you are just trying to bully us into 'believing' all the crap that Israel has offered up for the last 60 years.

Not working. Pro-israeli apologists are clearly and increasingly in the weeds as israel delegitimizes itself by maintaining the occupation.

No one believes you or israel anymore. It's over.

 

BETZ55

6:15 PM ET

March 3, 2011

Is this a joke?

Are you serious?

"Sorry to interfere with your pro-terrorist propaganda campaign, but SOMEBODY has to stand up and tell the truth once in a while!"

The only pro-terrorist propaganda campaign that is being perpetuated is the illegal settler terrorist squats and their illegal claim to land in Palestine. Yes, SOMEBODY has stood up and told the truth, it's the Palestinians you idiot. Drink some more of the hasbara kool-aid pal you're overdue.

 

PUPIL

7:23 PM ET

March 3, 2011

Usual Neo-Fascism

Oliver Chettle and other "opponents of Israel" employ the usual approach of slurring all Israelis men, women, children, without any concern for evidence. They treat every Jewish person as inferior human and criminal.

It is especially disgusting when a European whose imperialist country was complicit with Nazi crimes, country that murders daily hundreds of innocent people worldwide and illegally occupies Argentinian and Spanish lands, allow himself to spread hatred and lies about Jewish people. This is typical for the British supremacists. As a firm "opponent of Britain" I think it should be expelled from UNSC. Then steps must be taken to dismantle completely that criminal entity.

 

RANDY7676

11:06 PM ET

March 3, 2011

Israel is a democracy

- Arab's have more rights than they do in any other arab country

I could go own with this line of truth, but the facts are that the goal of the Palestinians is to eradicate Isreal. They had a chance to end the occupation in the west bank under Arafat, they were offered 97% of the west bank, but they decided it would be better to kill jews instead. Oh, yes, they did leave Gaza and received thousands of rockets for these action.

THe bottom line is that Israel is successful western country surrounded by enemies and they will not give up their sovereignty to the Useless Nations or any other idiotic international group that does not have their best interests.

 

ZINDIQ

3:41 PM ET

March 4, 2011

Wow - no wonder the world is in such a mess

After having read the rabid pro and con Israeli comments on here I begin to understand why this situation never changes - not one of you is willing to look at the facts without a bias towards your personal perspective...

Just a quick review of some of the arguments here:

Israel shouldn't be criticized because Libya has done worse things....
(SO by that inane reasoning - Hitler shouldn't be criticized because Stalin killed more people, right? The "moral equivalence" argument is illogical, and does not withstand even the most rudimentary scrutiny)

Israel doesn't compare to Libya because Israel is a "free country":
(This is like saying you can't criticize America for the treatment of American Indians because it treats it's own citizens well - this isn't about how you treat your own citizens, but about how the governments in question treat ALL PEOPLE)

The Israelis want peace but the Palestinians are are intent on destroying Israel:
(They no doubt hate the Israelis for being "free"......this is just asinine. Most Palestinians want nothing more than you do - a chance to live life and raise a family without bulldozers crushing your house or settlers forcing you off the land by violent means)

The Palestinians want peace but the Israelis are intent on genocide:
(This is as absurd as the argument the other way around - the average Israeli wants nothing more than you do - a chance to live life and raise a family without rockets destroying your house or a suicide bomber blowing up the local market)

The Palestinians have had a chance for peace but won't take it unless Israel is destroyed:
(While this may be true for a extremely small portion of the population, the vast majority just want a end to the conflict and some semblance of a normal life - much like in Israel it is not the general populace that inflames this conflict, but the hardliners who really do view the other side as a diametrically opposed enemy with who there can be no peace)

Israel can stop this conflict anytime by granting the Palestinians a homeland:
(Short of a few intractable hardliners in the Israeli government who will not allow a serious peace initiative to form - most Israelis would like nothing better than to see this conflict end, even if it means no more settlements and partitioning Jerusalem - these things mean far less to the average Israeli than feeling your family is safe in your home or in public places)

The real truth of this matter is that it is the general populations of both that are victims here of extremists on both sides - and these extremists know that the only power they really hold come from the existence of this conflict, they have no interest in resolving it. Much like Ariel Sharon and Yasser Arafat - they were "needed" to defend their people from the other, if however the other was no longer an enemy the basis for their power evaporates.

Much like in Eygpt, it will not be resolved until the people of both sides stand up and say "ENOUGH" of these extremists, enough of being manipulated, enough lies and propaganda. Both the Israeli people and the Palestinians would be far better off worrying about today than about who lived here in the distant past, if they spent more effort trying to connect on common ground (and there is a lot more than the "leaders" of either side will admit) than trying to emphasize the differences.

In short - they need to stop listening to people like you folks who spit this slanted nonsense at the first mention of Israel. Israel isn't the devil, but they certainly aren't angels either....

 

ROBYNGARCIA

2:10 AM ET

March 16, 2011

BETZ55 You are a terrorist!

How dare you post such lies about the IDF pissing on Palestinian children? What propaganda are you reading? As someone who served in the IDF I can tell you that it has the highest of standards of any military. Why do you think it exists? To defend against the MURDEROUS ANIMALS also known as radical palestinians, funded by Iran, and supported by people like you. Did you see what happened to the Fogel family just yesterday? babies throats were decapitated. Today, an Iranian ship was caught by the IDF smuggling any boat missiles in yet another 'freedom' flotilla clone. If you are not a terrorist, you support them because you are a radical leftist who has fallen pray to the massive rotten PR propaganda by the Muslim world against Israel and Jews which is mired with lies lies and more lies. Shame on you, and shame on FP for allowing posters like you to express your vile rhetoric.

 

000ACE000

10:53 PM ET

March 2, 2011

The Arab nations may have

The Arab nations may have issues with human rights and freedom, and certainly in the case of Libya, a gross mistreatment of their own people. In contrast, Israel is kind to its own kin, so kind that it releases its overwhelming military might to oppress innocent civilians to ensure the benefits of its own development.
Who's worse? I'm not sure.

 

OLIVER CHETTLE

10:56 PM ET

March 2, 2011

There is a legitimate subject

There is a legitimate subject for an article here, so why didn't Foreign Policy commission one from a legitimate expert? This writer is simply using it as an opportunity to bolster the evil regime that he represents.

 

NORBOOSE

5:31 PM ET

March 3, 2011

They are promoting fairness in a way

I remember a similar article by the Venezuelen Ambassador, which also was fairly transperant. I think its valuable to hear from government officials of countries, as long as we remember that they are very far from objective accounts.

 

NORBOOSE

5:36 PM ET

March 3, 2011

example:

Obviously, all his argumentss will be pro-Israel, but look for the specific aspects of arguments that he uses heavily, as well as which issues he emphasizes and goes into detail about, which issues he briefly addresses, and which he completely omits. I personally have found this technique very valuable in the past.

 

J.MOMANI

5:49 PM ET

March 3, 2011

Israel FM on Israel

"country that was known(and still is) to be involved in extrajudicial and summary executions, brutal torture, and aiding and abetting international terrorism"
What an excellent description of Israel

 

ASCHOPS

11:59 PM ET

March 2, 2011

Bush followed a policy of

Bush followed a policy of arrogant unilateralism and defiance in face of the world. What that earned him and the US? Bush became the most unpopular president in recent US history and US influence fell steadily under his watch. Netanyahu is also following a policy of arrogant defiance in face of the world. What that will have earned him and Israel, nobody knows yet. But trend indicates it will not look pretty - for Israel. Ayalon's period as a member of the Israeli Foreign Ministry coincides with the unraveling of Israel's diplomacy. Turkey has become a quietly hostile power, Iran extends her influence over Israel's neighbors, pro-West Arab regimes are being replaced by something else, countries in the "US backyard" fall all over each other to recognize Palestine as an independent state, Russia's Medvedev visits Palestine, but not Israel, just to clarify that the Soviet Union's recognition is still in force, and Europe is indicating it may soon follow a similar path. Meanwhile cartoonish buffoons such as Ayalon and Lieberman are kept in their jobs as Israel's international face. Palestinians should be thanking heavens for these times.

 

MALICEIT

2:42 AM ET

March 3, 2011

My response to this article....

...is the same as middle guy on a picture.

 

CEINOSTUV

4:13 AM ET

March 3, 2011

Oy

This seems a bit like if FP commissioned David Duke to write about how Mugabe is a a total douchebag. On the one hand, he would be totally right. On the other hand, he's still David fucking Duke. And, in any case, the issue is so obvious to anyone whose head currently resides outside of their gastrointestinal system that there would be no point in running an article about it.

Seriously, why does this article exist? Fucking Vodkastani weeaboos.

 

JASON SIGGER

12:09 PM ET

March 3, 2011

Two Thumbs Up

Exactly so.

 

JACOB BLUES

11:16 AM ET

March 4, 2011

The article exists ceino'

Because its a legitimate argument. The UNHRC as a body is made up of many human rights abusers.

It also consists of many states who reject Israel's existance out of hand.

Through the UN, they conduct lawfare against this state that they would see extinguished. Rather than suicide bombers and tanks, they use legalese arguments to attepmt to deligitimize a state that they have been at war with for over 60 years.

The idea that the United Nations is some ethical and moral body, gets thrown out the window when you realize that states which are human rights abuseres are the ones making the human rights proclamations against their enemies.

What that does, is cripple any credibility and legitimacy the organization has when it comes to these ideals. It also turns the idea that the UN is a body for all states into a hollow one, and shreds the idea that one state would listen to another when it comes to its own self-defense.

Of course, to people who cannot accept Israel as a legitimate state, and who's idea of universal human rights stops at the door when it comes to Jews, such an article is meaningless. But then again, so too are the pronouncements of David Duke. You should be able to read your own ideology into your own comments.

 

CEINOSTUV

8:12 PM ET

March 4, 2011

@Jacob Blues

You don't seem to get how analogies work.

I was not trying to dispute the notion that the UN has an undue focus on Israel, any more than I would dispute the fact that Mugabe is an oppressive douche.

My point was that, sometimes, the messenger matters as much as the message, and that a follower of the Israeli Zhirinovsky made a really bad messenger.

 

KALSALEH

7:55 AM ET

March 3, 2011

Finally after 63 years ...

... you've joined the rest of us in the Middle East. You've set your standards so low, regarding states like Libya and Saudi as a legitimate standard against which to compare your own human rights record!

There's a reason Arabs across the region are revolting: the youth are seeking betterment and want to take back their countries, much to the dismay of Israel which has voiced its support to autocratic regimes (maybe, soon, you'll have one of your own too.... I hear Mubarak is looking for a job), comfortable with a status quo that has left it isolated and its neighbors economically and socially weak.

Inevitably, if this attitude persists, Israel will have the precursory failed government and stagnant economy that will allow it to join the Arab League where it can truly debate the merit of HRW's reports, and be lauded for pointless improvements in its abysmal record.

 

JACOB BLUES

11:21 AM ET

March 4, 2011

No Saleh, Israel still sets its standards far above those of KSA

What Israel won't do is sit in the docket for a court led by such states.

Indeed, the idea that the Sauds, the Libyans, and the rest of the Arab states cannot abide by the idea of a free and independent Jewish state, shows why Israel disdains the repeated proclamations of the UNHRC.

Realize that as we speak, Israel not only has a free and independent government and internal news services that report on government abuses, but has a host of independent human rights organizations that freely report and critique on Israeli government policy and actions.

As for Israel's concern over the various revolutions in the Arab world, it knows full well how such revolutionaries, rather than turning their nations into bastions of tolerant liberal democracies, turn into violent and ethnically intolerant societies. Given that Jew hatred is rampant throughout the Arab world, it is hardly surprising that Israelis are concerned that the new governments would fall to the lowest common denominator of scape-goating, which is what was done the last time the Arab states went through political revolutions.

 

F1FAN

9:36 AM ET

March 3, 2011

Nice Try Mr. Ayalon

But pointing out the human rights violations of other states still does not excuse the human rights violations of your state. While I do agree that it is hypocritical and wrong for a 'human rights' council to have some of the worst violators sitting on it, it is hypocritical in the same way that some nations call for 'peace' while stealing land, bombing their neighbors and hiding nuclear stockpiles...........................

 

F1FAN

6:26 PM ET

March 3, 2011

Sure.........

You can't violate the NPT if you don't sign it, although you don't really have a leg to stand on in criticizing other nations for signing the NPT and then lawfully build reactors............

No matter who decided on what mandate giving anyone a 'homeland' based on a fictional religious book, killing people, driving them away and occupying their land is theft. Eastern Europeans , no matter their religion, have no 'ancestral' claim to any portion of the Middle East.

 

DEAN WALT

1:04 PM ET

March 3, 2011

'Liberty Square' for FP

Not sure which is more of a "sick joke," Danny Ayalon publishing an article about Human Rights violators or the editors of FP allowing it to be on their site?!

I mean, we have always known that editors of this cite such as David Kenner and Blake Hounshell have been staunch defenders and allies of Israel, which has always undermined the legitimacy of this cite, but to have them post such an article is embarrassing.

Instead of addressing their abysmal human rights record –being one of 2 major countries that occupy other people land, second being us –Ayalon justifies, and indeed takes pride in, this record by stating that it is coming from the UN Human Rights Council.

Shame on you FP! We can understand defending Israel, but to allow it to defend its atrocities and daily killing and humiliating of Palestinians is taking it to a new level.

This site needs its own ‘Liberty Square’ to liberate it from the likes of Kenner and Hounshell!!

 

NORBOOSE

5:41 PM ET

March 3, 2011

FP does a good job

A few months ago, they printed a similar letter by the Venezuelen ambassador to the US. Such opinions provide valuable insight into a government, if viewed correctly. If anyone is so dumb that they read a government official representating his country argument in the same manner they read a report by a professional analyst, that person doesnt deserve to have political opinions.

 

JACOB BLUES

11:26 AM ET

March 4, 2011

Of course Dean, God forbid that various points of view are

expressed.

The Prolatariat is in danger if opposing views are presented. Dare I say that people could be exposed to free speech.

Gaah, never! The people must be protected from independent thought. Only when the politically correct ideas are presented to the masses then will the world be safe . . . for those that can accept the predetermined ideology that will make their lives safe.

After all, the idea that human rights oppressors do not deserve to participate, much less lead, a UN human rights committee...forget the fact that those sitting in judgement are actually long-term enemies of the nation they are judging. But no matter, it's the UN and these states full-well understand the grave responsibility they have towards promoting universal human rights.

So why should we even think that their repetitive denunciations of their enemy deserves scrutiny. Summon the Queen of Hearts, and take off their heads, lest they have a chance to make their own arguments.

 

THE GLOBALIZER

1:08 PM ET

March 3, 2011

Same song and dance.

Yes, Israeli government > Libyan government. Clearly.

I'll just note that your "free" country is free for, in declining order:

1) European Jews
2) Other Jews
3) Non-Jews
4) Non-Jew Arabs
5) Muslims
6) Palestinians

As a generally pro-Israel American, I'm completely sick and tired of Israeli equivocation on human rights issues. Israel is profoundly intrasigent and is not a good-faith player at any negotiating table dealing with Palestinian issues.

Now would be an excellent time to announce efforts to establish a "stage one" Palestine (leaving disputed lands and issues for later negotiation) coupled with economic and infrastructure partnership to help support the development of Palestine into a modern economy. Yes, that means Hamas representation in Palestine's democratic leadership.

We know Israel is sick of being picked on. *I* am sick of Israel being picked on. But I'm sure you know the old line about doing the same thing over and over expecting a different result...

Now is the time for Israel to act, and to do so in its own strong commitment to self-preservation. If it doesn't, it will soon be surrounded by restive democracies instead of impotent saber-rattlers, and Israel will no longer have the questionable moral high ground you so clearly cling to in your article.

(I was in Israel for 5 weeks in 2006 when the Hezbollah rocket attacks began. I have a great love and admiration for the Israeli people, and made a lot of friends there. I was impressed by the sense of community there, by the kindness of the Israeli people. They deserve much better than the repugnant policy Israel holds towards Arabs generally and Palestinians specifically.)

 

THE GLOBALIZER

5:42 PM ET

March 3, 2011

I didn't live in Israel.

I visited, however, the disparate treatment was clear, and the disproportionate channeling of funds to Jewish areas at the expense of Arab areas is well-documented.

I agree, however, that Arab nations should recognize Israel's right to exist, and Palestinian statehood should be conditioned upon Palestine's recognition of Israel's legitimacy.

 

HURRICANEWARNING

2:32 PM ET

March 3, 2011

The UN is a flaming joke.

The UN is a flaming joke. Anyone who has been watching it and how it works for the last 20 years (at LEAST), realizes this. It's great for feeding kids, but not so great it forming any kind of coherent law, policy, or action. This is just another great example of why countries like the US simply don t give a flying F' about what the UN has to say.

No country with a human rights abuse record within the last 20 years should be allowed on such a council. So that means that Libya, Israel, and yes, the US dont belong there, and shouldnt belong there for quite some time. End of story.

 

ALEX TROF

5:41 PM ET

March 3, 2011

Daniel Ayalon is a sad creature

The author of this article is committing two logical flows which just underline the key problems in Pro-Israeli position.

Do we agree that U.N. Human Rights Counsil is run very poorly and may need serious revision going forward. Well, duh. Qaddafi was on it. Are "not so democratic" overrepresented there and may not pick up some human rights violations on their part? Yes, it appears so. Does it mean that the criticism of Israel is not legitimate because it comes from imperfect source? NOT AT ALL. This is a classic logic flaw. The fact that information was presented by somebody biased does not make that information inherently false. The author "cleverly" makes a logic leap that because U.N. sucks, too many Arabic countries are on it, therefore, every statement issued by this organization in regards to Israel is untrue and shouldn't be followed. However, he omitted to show how U.N. resolutions about Israel are wrong, bad, or unjust.

 

TRUTH NOT PARTISAN

5:43 PM ET

March 3, 2011

Israel haters

In case you guys didnt realize this article is not really throwing away Israels human rights "abuse" but rather it is bringing up the point that the HRC goes after Israel more then any other country. This is a valid point. end of story. period. the end.
The fact of the matter is that the UN DOES in fact condemn Israel far too frequently in relation to the people that are on the council itself, as well as others in the world.
Yes, you can criticize Israel. but be open minded to criticize others as well. Yes, Israel does not always treat the Palestinians the best, but in relation to Libya, Iran, Lebanese treatement of the Palestinians, Saudi Arabias, Pakistan and Yemen, they should at least be condemned as well.
THats it.

 

ALEX TROF

5:48 PM ET

March 3, 2011

Not exactly

The author is implying that criticism of Israel is somehow unwarranted because HRC is not criticizing others as much. Read the article again. His tone is definitely condemning and shows contempt to the whole institution rather than providing honest criticism. Listening to him, someone not knowing what is going on, can easily form an opinion that U.N. is in the packet of Arab dictators who routinely commit human right crimes, never get blamed for it, and create bogus resolutions to condemn Israel. That is not what really happens.

 

VALWAYNE

7:26 PM ET

March 3, 2011

The U.N. is Corrupt and Mostly Useless!

So what's new? The U.N. has been a corrupt and largely useless organization for decades. The corrupt regimes of the world have learned to play the game their and the absurdity is becoming clear to all. Even the corrupt regimes don't really respect the U.N. they just use it as a platform to protect their corruption, or spread it! The only person that seems to take the U.N. seriously is Obama. I suppose it gives him a reason to do nothing!

 

BOB G.

10:22 PM ET

March 3, 2011

"... The only person that

"... The only person that seems to take the U.N. seriously is Obama..."
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Isn't it about time for the U.S. to get out of the U.N. and ask them to find a new home? Why are we wasting our time (and taxpayer money) with such a useless organization?

 

TRUTH NOT PARTISAN

4:20 PM ET

March 4, 2011

The UN

The UN is the worst form of protection the world has ever seen besides France in WWII.
The UN has never acknowledged Jewish ties to Bethlhem. It has said it is a mosque when it is in fact the burial place of Abraham, Isaac, etc. This makes it a very Jewish and Christian site except for now it is only a Muslim site.

 

XTIANGODLOKI

1:32 AM ET

March 4, 2011

The man is doing his job

What else do you expect the foreign minister of Israel to write about?

It does make you wonder about FP though. Do mouthpieces of other governments have a chance to voice their opinions on FP?

 

NICKNAFSAH

5:47 AM ET

March 4, 2011

Ayalon is a Lunatic too

Ayalon is often defended by "right wing" friends here in Israel. But the truth is that he's part of the system that never asserts Israel's historical and LEGAL rights to the land defined by the 1922 Partition.

Instead, Ayalon and his fellow travelers have internalized the false historical claims of the "Palestinians" and gone out of their way to implement the "stages" plan conceived by the Mufti of Jerusalem and carried on with fanatical devotion even to this day. Carried on with the help of the likes of Ayalon, Peres, Beinish, Netanyahu, Barak, Olmert, Livni, and (surprise surprise) Shas.

When Mubarak was coming under attack, many of Israel's leaders rushed to defend him. They did this because they share Mubarak's core values. This fact is shocking to those who depend only on mainstream news for their information.

Until Israel has leaders with the moral courage to deal with facts and reality, we will continue being sliced up like salami by Hamor Mazen & Company.

Those who are still capable of thinking objectively will benefit from a careful study of Shmuel Katz' work. http://www.shmuelkatz.com/ViewAllArticlesAtOnce.aspx

It wouldn't hurt to also study the legal basis of Israel's rights, which can be done in short order by making use of this resource: http://www.mythsandfacts.org/conflict.asp

 

MAKESSENSE

5:54 AM ET

March 4, 2011

Would fascist parties be allowed "Right of Reply"?

At some point, surely, even Foreign Policy blog is going to question the "Right of Reply" concept for representatives of fascist states.

This guy, a paid official from an officially constitutionally racist state, is given the right to put his point of view.

This is a representative, I remind you, of Israel.

Israel is the state that says that people born within Israel, who during the Palestine civil war were displaced into Gaza, West Bank, Syria or Lebanon, have no right solely because of their race & religion, to actually live in Isarel and exercise their rights as Israelis.

This is the state that is to anti-Western in its conception and foundations, that it would say that it is actually illegal for two human beings to marry if their fathers were of a different religion.

That's correct. This is a representative of a state based on an ideology conceived in 19th century eastern and central Europe so utterly racist and insular in its focus, that it has been wiped off the face of the European continent since 1945 - but still survives in a tiny part of poor Palestine.

JGARBUZ says clearly knows nothing about south west Asia.

Lebanon, currently with its 18th democratically elected Parliament since 1927, it clearly the state in the Middle East with the earliest experience of "one person one vote".

Israel - which refuses after 62 years of race-based violence to allow those Israelis of Christian and Muslim origin expelled to Gaza, Syria, West Bank, Jordan & Lebanon, to actually vote - even once - has yet to join the world of liberal parliamentary democracy.

Maybe in another 100 years Israel will become a parliamentary democracy. But my guess would be it will be the very last state in the region to join the march of progress.

 

RYANMWILBER

11:36 AM ET

March 4, 2011

Right and Wrong

The author is absolutely correct that the Council is an embarrassment to all the the UN is supposed to represent, but he is equally incorrect that Israel is a model nation which respects and protects the rights and well being of ALL of its citizens.

 

SHERIFFA

12:17 PM ET

March 4, 2011

Please note that the author is in the Israeli government.

Of course the author here will point out that the Human Rights Council spends much time focused Israel because the author is an Israeli and in the Israeli government, it is his job.

Israel has killed 100,000s of Palestinians. Dropping chemical weapons on Palestinians is a war crime. A Jewish judge who's daughter lives in Israel wrote a report of the facts and stated that! Its amazing how one country gets away with murder when they run another country that has veto power in the UN.

Any member having Veto power in the UN immediately makes the UN null and void. Please remember all member of the UNSC voted to condem Israel's settlement activity in East Jerusalem except for the US who has stated many times that those settlement are illegal.

"Every time we do something you tell me America will do this and will do that . . . I want to tell you something very clear: Don't worry about American pressure on Israel. We the Jewish people, control America and the Americans know it."
- Israeli Prime Minister, Ariel Sharon, October 3, 2001, speaking to Shimon Peres, as reported on Kol Yisrael radio.

"Everybody has to move, run and grab as many hilltops as they can to enlarge the settlements because everything we take now will stay ours... Everything we don't grab will go to them."
Ariel Sharon, Israeli Foreign Minister, addressing a meeting of militants from the extreme right-wing Tsomet Party, Agence France Presse, November 15, 1998.

Let me quote some more Israeli officials.

*"There is a huge gap between us (Jews) and our enemies? Not just in ability but in morality, culture, sanctity of life, and conscience. They are our neighbours here, but it seems as if at a distance of a few hundred meters away, there are people who do not belong to our continent, to our world, but actually belong to a different galaxy."
Israeli president Moshe Katsav. The Jerusalem Post,
May 10, 2001

*"When we have settled the land, all the Arabs will be able to do about it will be to scurry around like drugged cockroaches in a bottle."
Raphael Eitan, Chief of Staff of the Israeli Defense Forces, New York Times, 14 April 1983.

*"If I were an Arab leader, I would never sign an agreement with Israel. It is normal; we have taken their country. It is true God promised it to us, but how could that interest them? Our God is not theirs. There has been Anti - Semitism, the Nazis, Hitler, Auschwitz, but was that their fault ? They see but one thing: we have come and we have stolen their country. Why would they accept that?"
David Ben Gurion (the first Israeli Prime Minister): Quoted by Nahum Goldmann in Le Paraddoxe Juif (The Jewish Paradox), pp121.

*Ben Gurion also warned in 1948 : "We must do everything to insure they ( the Palestinians) never do return....The old will die and the young will forget."

"We have to kill all the Palestinians unless they are resigned to live here as slaves."
Chairman Heilbrun of the Committee for the Re-election of General Shlomo Lahat, the mayor of Tel Aviv, October 1983.

"We shall reduce the Arab population to a community of woodcutters and waiters"
Rabin's description of the conquest of Lydda, after the completion of Plan Dalet. Uri Lubrani, PM Ben-Gurion's special adviser on Arab Affairs, 1960. From "The Arabs in Israel" by Sabri Jiryas.

"One million Arabs are not worth a Jewish fingernail"
-- Rabbi Yaacov Perrin, Feb. 27, 1994
[Source: N.Y. Times, Feb. 28, 1994, p. 1]

Always remember who writes an article and what their bias is towards.

 

NESSIE GAHAS

3:59 PM ET

March 4, 2011

the delegitimizers of Israel

Those devoted to delegitimizing Israel should question the accuracy and lack of context in their sources. But I'm afraid these forums show we can depend on them to ignore the history and living example of Israel as a democratic state that has integrated its Arab-Israeli citizens, those who did not either fight or flee in 1948.

The fact is, Jews paid inflated prices to absent landowners for barren land, toiled hard to develop and establish their state, fought unrelenting armies of Nazi-allied Arabs from surrounding countries, endured despite a continuous war of attrition and several wars of concentrated genocidal efforts to "throw the Jews into the sea", and have repeatedly, in search of that elusive peace, given up land conquered in self-defense, despite the narrow girth of its tiny country and territorially indefensible borders. The Israelis are fighting for their lives, and the Arabs are fighting to kill the Jews. When Muslim clerics teach their populations that Jews are descended from apes and pigs, when Palestinian authorities name their public squares after the terrorist murderers of Jews, when popular Arab media propagate outright lies and ridiculous stories and educational curricula instill hatred of the Jews, that is where you get an understanding of the institutionally-sanctioned enemy the Israelis must contend with.

But still, Israel shares its medical and technological benefits with Palestinians as well as with under-developed nations elsewhere, although they've sometimes been rebuffed because they are Jews. Ignorance, blindness, bigotry... its a crazy world, and no-less so in the mean-spirited postings by the haters of Israel here.

 

BABYLON BURN

1:42 PM ET

March 6, 2011

Mr. Ayalon

Please, for the sake of Israel, release the West Bank, as soon as possible.

 

LDCHISLE

3:41 PM ET

March 6, 2011

Some important points that were overlooked...

This argument draws out all too obvious critiques of the international human rights regime and fails to give tribute to the true complexity of the issue.

Especially in light of recent events it seems like a terrible affront to everything the international human rights regime (supposedly) stands for to have Libya have a seat on the UN Human Rights Council. However, this argument ignores the normative value of having all members of the international community involved in international human rights regimes. I am not trying to downplay the seriousness of the violations committed by many states who have a position on a UN human rights body, however, the alternative,
to exclude/ostracize these states from the system, is much a more dangerous alternative if the goal is truly to promote human rights. It is better to have these states engaged in the human rights debate - that way political pressure can be exerted on them to live up to their obligations. There is incredible normative value in the fact that these states see their legitimacy enhanced at a global level by being part of these human rights institutions. Also, their engagement in these institutions provides the world with at least some oversight mechanisms. States like North Korea or Burma that have been ostracized from the international human rights system commit some of the most egregious human rights violations, yet nobody even notices, and we have little political leverage to exert that will change their behaviour and protect innocent people.

It seems terrible that all sorts of authoritarian regimes have prominent places in UN human rights regimes however, this implies that "the West" has an impecable human rights regime record themselves. I would argue that it is equally outrageous to have the United States be the global role model/spokesperson for human rights and democracy given their blatant disregard for human rights throughout the "war on terror". There are human rights violations that occur in all nations of the world and we can not practically create a "violations threshold" that we will tolerate to "allow" nations to engage in the international community. The reality of human rights standards is that they will likely never be fully attained and are rather something that states should continually strive for- to exclude states from the system because they "started" their quest for human rights at a lower level than Western states (the West had an equally appalling human rights record measured by todays standards before the UN system was developed) would be an unimaginable hypocrisy. Also, it is incredibly problematic to condemn states like Cuba who have implemented human rights "differently" than the West- with an emphasis on economic and social rights as opposed to policial and civil rights. To exclude them from the system based on their ideological focus would be imperialistic and risk them rejecting the Western system of human rights entirely.

It seems to me that if Ayalon were to have his way we would live in a world (if we don't already) where the West continues to hypocritically trumpet their moral superiority and belittle and ostracize non-Western states (despite the fact that Western governments and corporations play a huge role in supporting the human rights violations that occur in these countries). Instead our goal should be the substantive enforcement of human rights throughout the world- and despite all its down falls, the Human Rights Council and the UN helps, rather than hinders this process.

 

MARIOPITING

2:44 PM ET

March 26, 2011

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ADALINE PORTWOOD

1:30 PM ET

April 1, 2011

The Inmates Are Running the Asylum

Libya's tenure on the U. N. Human Rights Council is just the latest example of how the international system has been hijacked by the world's most repressive regimes. Really, having just read through this entire stream of comments, I feel inclined to recommend you to spend your time in a more productive fashion. Everyone posting here is convinced of the virtue of their own set of facts and numbers. I agree with you, most of the vitriolic rhetoric directed at the State of Israel stems from an underlying conviction that the Jewish people do not have a right to a sovereign state in their historical homeland. "The U. N. Human Rights Council has once again proved itself outside the evolution and progress of history dog obedience training. The people of our region deserve better -- and are hopefully slowly moving the Middle East to a better place. Let's hope the council does not continue to serve as a barrier to their hopes and expectations. Save big when you subscribe to FP. ". I hear Mubarak is looking for a job), comfortable with a status quo that has left it isolated and its neighbors economically and socially weak. Inevitably, if this attitude persists, Israel will have the precursory failed government and stagnant economy that will allow it to join the Arab League where it can truly debate the merit of HRW's reports, and be lauded for pointless improvements in its abysmal record.