Zakaria's World

Are America's best days really behind us?

BY JOSEPH S. NYE JR. | MARCH 8, 2011

Zakaria also worries about the inefficient American political system. But the Founding Fathers created a system of checks and balances precisely to preserve liberties at the price of efficiency. Moreover, just because we are now going through a period of excessively partisan politics and mistrust of government doesn't mean the American political system is in decline. Some aspects of the current mood are probably cyclical and related to unemployment, while others represent discontent with the bickering and deadlock in today's political process. Compared with the recent past, party politics has indeed become more polarized, but nasty politics is nothing new and goes all the way back to the Founding Fathers. Supporters of John Adams reputedly once called Thomas Jefferson "a mean-spirited, low-lived fellow, the son of a half-breed Indian squaw, sired by a Virginia mulatto father."

Part of the problem of accurate assessment is that faith in government became abnormally high among the generation that survived the Great Depression and won World War II. Over the long view of American history, it was overconfidence in government in the 1950s and early 1960s, not low levels thereafter, that was the anomaly. American government and politics have always had problems, sometimes worse than today's. In assessing political decline, one must beware of the golden glow of the past. It is easy to show decline if one compares the good in the past with the bad in the present.

In addition, we sometimes mistakenly idealize the efficiency of the political process in authoritarian countries like China. When it comes to infrastructure, for example, it is far easier to build high-speed rail lines where there are weak property rights and few lawyers. But if one looks at the important question of how Chinese leaders are struggling to implement their 12th five-year plan -- reducing dependence on exports, shifting to internal demand, and reducing regional inequality by moving industry to the west -- China is far from efficient. Although central bankers and economic planners know that revaluing the yuan would promote these goals and help head off inflation, a strong coalition of coastal export industries and associated local party bosses seeks to preserve the status quo.

Zakaria notes that one Asian country after another is learning the secrets of Western success, and he is right. In The Future of Power, I argue that one of the two great power shifts of this century is the recovery of Asia to what it represented before the Industrial Revolution led to the ascendance of the West: more than half the world's population and its economic production. We should herald Asia's recovery -- it has brought millions out of dire poverty -- but those with excessive fear of China should remember that Asia is not one entity. In his important book Rivals, Bill Emmott reminds us that Japan, India, and others that are concerned about the rise of China welcome an American presence. Can anyone similarly imagine Canada and Mexico seeking a Chinese alliance to balance American power in their neighborhood?

Nor is China likely to surpass America anytime soon. Yes, barring political uncertainties, China's size and high rate of economic growth will almost certainly increase its strength relative to that of the United States. Still, China won't necessarily become the world's most powerful country as a result. Even if China suffers no major domestic political setback, many of the current projections based on GDP growth alone are too one-dimensional. They ignore what are likely to be enduring U.S. military and soft-power advantages, as well as China's geopolitical disadvantages in the internal Asian balance of power.

Zakaria is correct that the United States faces serious problems. But issues that preoccupy us today, such as long-term debt, are not insoluble; see for example, the recommendations of the Simpson-Bowles commission, and remember that only a decade ago some people worried about the government surplus. Of course, such solutions may forever remain out of reach. But it is worth distinguishing situations for which there are no solutions from those that could, in principle, be solved.

The greatest danger to America is not debt, political paralysis, or China; it is parochialism, turning away from the openness that is the source of its strength and resting on its laurels. As Zakaria says, in the past, worrying about decline has helped avert it. Let us hope that his intelligent though darkly drawn picture will yet again start that healthy process.

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Joseph S. Nye Jr. is a professor at Harvard University and author of The Future of Power.

AHSON HASAN

2:42 AM ET

March 9, 2011

Its not that bad, but...

Like Mr. Zakaria, I also happen to be an American by choice. Yes, things are different from how they were when I arrived here, hardly out of my teens, about a quarter century ago, yet, one cannot really see the depressing downfall that the author is forecasting in his article.

Unlike Mr. Zakaria, I'm not a scholar ( I wish I was one though ) and I'm not as well-informed as he is. However, I've traveled to different parts of the world and understand that the United States of America is still one of the best countries in the world.

Yes, our ratings in education, health and public welfare may have hit rock-bottom, there still is a lot to write home about as far as our standard of living is concerned.

Folks like Mr. Zakaria are an asset to nations - they provide us with the early warning systems that are direly needed to maintain a certain balance and preempt any future disasters from happening.

Mr. Zakaria's 'shake hands with history' and the comparative analysis is worth looking at. America's plight, if one sees from Mr. Zakaria's eyes, is too hard to miss. We've gone down and continue to do so at a rapid pace. What has been rather disappointing for me is the constant debate but no action as far as the health system is concerned. I, for one, was relieved in March 2010 when President Obama signed the health care bill. I did not, however, perceive the shooting down of the mechanism by the opposition in the subsequent months.

Since I travel often, I experience that even countries in terrible economic conditions provide/facilitate/support their citizens when it comes to taking care of their health. Next door neighbor, Canada, is an example worth citing. To my mind, health system in the US is way too politicized and devoid of the human touch, more so because the very members of the Congress who oppose the government facilitated health program themselves enjoy the same benefits that the President is trying to provide to the common folks.

My second concern is also health related, i.e. Medicaid. I've heard people who matter say that they want to stop all types of Medicaid benefits to folks who are disabled. I scratch my head and wonder if they themselves were disabled, how would they fee about the situation.

The US needs to pull itself from the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq. Tons of US taxpayers money has been spent and thousands of precious lives have been wasted. Those two countries will stay as wild and as crazy as they were, say 20 years ago. They are glorified tribal areas that are inherently not suited to democracy. Its like preaching to the wrong choir.

We need to spend our money on ourselves - no more charity-giving to countries like Pakistan, for example, to curb terrorism. One needs to understand that terrorism in Pakistan that poses a global threat is state-sponsored. The American money channelized to Islamabad probably is used against us, redirected to the terrorist outfits to strengthen their hands.

Long story short, its all about funding. All our ills can be fixed if we have the money. A lot of funds are stuck in the two wars. Washington is cutting funding for our towns and states on the pretext that we all need to tighten our belts. We don't have jobs in this country but there can be plenty if money produced here is also used here.

Mr. Zakaria's predictions may sound absurd at this time. However, we need to pay attention soon to the issues raised before it is too late.

 

KEN HANDLER

7:00 PM ET

March 11, 2011

FAREED ZAKARIA by Joseph Nye

TO: Mr Nye
THE POWER OF THE USA IS NOT ASSURED RELATIVE TO ASIA.
Allow me to paraphrase one of the ending paragraphs.

Nor is China likely to surpass America anytime soon. Yes, barring political uncertainties, China's size and high rate of economic growth will almost certainly increase its strength relative to that of the United States. Still, China won't necessarily become the world's most powerful country as a result. Even if China suffers no major domestic political setback, many of the current projections based on GDP growth alone are too one-dimensional.
"They ignore what are likely to be enduring (DECLINING) U.S. military and soft-power advantages, as well as China's geopolitical disadvantages (INCREASING ADVANTAGES) in the internal Asian balance of power."

 

KEVINSD

9:00 AM ET

March 9, 2011

The end of the American Century

So it seems the American Century lasted from 1945-2008. I have no doubt that the US has plenty of good days ahead, but what we're losing, I think, is easy faith in "The American Way": a belief that dominance in the military sphere, prosperity at home, greater social equality, strong civil institutions, and an ever-expanding middle class aren't just our lot but are components of a self-supporting and mutually-reenforcing system. Countries which emulated us would become more prosperous. Those which embraced heresies would face the consequences.

It seems clear the 21st century won't play out this way. Countries like China and India are not only becoming more prosperous and influential, they're doing so in ways which defy the conventional rules. Elites across the world are becoming more like aristocrats of old. Wealth is being created not as a consequence of ingenuity and experience but radical cost containment made possible by disparate wage levels. In the military realm we're not far from a situation where countries with relatively low per capita income will still be able to access the best equipment (which violates the "we're powerful because we're best" rule).

It's not as though Americans won't adjust to this world, but (like the Brits during the 20th century) I can see how at times this won't be easy. During the American Century it seemed the only path for a country to become prosperous was for them to become more like us. Not only doesn't that seem true of the new entrants (at least for a long while), overall trends suggest that in some respects we'll become more like them.

 

PHILIP FINN

9:02 AM ET

March 9, 2011

Apples and Oranges...

The problem with both Nye's and Zakaria's estimates are they are using too broad a mix of too many systems of measure...also, no one is asking, "Decline of what? How?" The first question must be, "How do we measure the greatness of a nation" and then, having a standard, "Are we measuring yet another cycle, familiar phases, or outright declines from whence no nation has ever recovered?"
Part of the problem, I think, is having grown through a Cold War culture of apocalyptic, zero-sum takeover where we were going to be overrun by the East, whereas we may already be an Asian satellite, happily spending ourselves into a stupor with money borrowed from our merchants, and not be aware of it.
Without a clear standard, how would we know if we've already collapsed? Will we, like the British before us, stumble through a century having to number our World Wars before it dawns on us only our petroleum consumption and willingness to throw away young lives overseas is what keeps the other nations barely tolerating our existence...

In the end, perhaps it's simply CHANGE. We are in the midst of trading one threadbare, quaintly humorous self-image for the next one.

 

KASEMAN

3:04 PM ET

March 9, 2011

Ascent not Decline

Too much micro thinking! The one measure we can all agree upon, however crude, is GDP per capita. In 1980 the US GDP/c was within the average of those of western and northern Europe. Its now 33% higher. In 1989 it was Finland that had the highest GDP/c of all OECD countries. The key cause of America's current cyclical/clinical depression then is not economic dynamics but gross income maldistrbtion.

I would firmly believe that the countries in the Chopstick Zone (Greater China+Korea+ Japan+ ASEAN) have benefitted tremendously from the US materially and otherwise. As did Europe 1945-65. This export of America's dynamism and economic well being is to be celebrated by ..........................................................Americans! Globalisation that is Americanised.

The depression's other causes are the US' enormous macro parasite, namely the military-security complex that sucks away $1 trillion/y of our tax money. A huge chunk of the Federal budget that goes into value destroying wars it won't /can't seem to win lo these many years. Meanwhile drawing away resources from value adding sectors. Add that other value destruction sector, Wall Street, and we have 2 major sectors of the economy that are pulling us down. Will continue to do so as long as our politicians adhere to Fox News and forget the Constitution .

 

PJW5552

9:45 AM ET

March 9, 2011

US struggles to find itself

Who knows if the US is really in decline until the history has passed and been written that once a great nation stood tall, but now is relegated to the dust bin of history so many other great nations before it. In the end, does it matter if the US leads the world or not since life does not stop and culture lives on whether the US is number 1 or not?

Everyone wants to be the most powerful, the most influential, the strongest in the world but have any with that title been particularly great at it? It seems power leads people to believe they have a right to impose their will, their beliefs, their values on others in the world and with such a diverse world of 7 billion people is that what we should still be doing today?

People want to be allowed to live their lives in peace. They want to have opportunities and a future for their kids. They want some freedoms and basic human rights. Some times they want help because of natural disasters. limited resources or because of injustice they endure and cannot prevent. People want to be treated as equals, with respect and to have hope that tomorrow has a chance of being better than today has been.

My question is: Is this what the US is doing in the world with its power and influence today, making it a little better? Politicians give great voice to human rights, freedom and equality for others, but do we really practice those values or do we talk about them and only embrace them when it suits us?

Perhaps it would be better if not just people, but nations were more equal. There is still a paternalistic attitude in the UN that 5 permanent members have rights not provided to any other nations in the world. What message does that send to the rest of the world -- we know best?

I think the US needs to grow up. I think it needs to see what is needed of a leader and provide it however long its leadership lasts. It needs to set a new tone and direction that signals to the world this is what we hope ALL people in the world should have and work to try and ensure they do. When the influence of the US is no longer what it is today let us hope it set the world on a proper course and direction that will truly lead to a better future and not a course that looks more like the past.

 

PJW5552

9:46 AM ET

March 9, 2011

US struggles to find itself

Who knows if the US is really in decline until the history has passed and been written that once a great nation stood tall, but now is relegated to the dust bin of history so many other great nations before it. In the end, does it matter if the US leads the world or not since life does not stop and culture lives on whether the US is number 1 or not?

Everyone wants to be the most powerful, the most influential, the strongest in the world but have any with that title been particularly great at it? It seems power leads people to believe they have a right to impose their will, their beliefs, their values on others in the world and with such a diverse world of 7 billion people is that what we should still be doing today?

People want to be allowed to live their lives in peace. They want to have opportunities and a future for their kids. They want some freedoms and basic human rights. Some times they want help because of natural disasters. limited resources or because of injustice they endure and cannot prevent. People want to be treated as equals, with respect and to have hope that tomorrow has a chance of being better than today has been.

My question is: Is this what the US is doing in the world with its power and influence today, making it a little better? Politicians give great voice to human rights, freedom and equality for others, but do we really practice those values or do we talk about them and only embrace them when it suits us?

Perhaps it would be better if not just people, but nations were more equal. There is still a paternalistic attitude in the UN that 5 permanent members have rights not provided to any other nations in the world. What message does that send to the rest of the world -- we know best?

I think the US needs to grow up. I think it needs to see what is needed of a leader and provide it however long its leadership lasts. It needs to set a new tone and direction that signals to the world this is what we hope ALL people in the world should have and work to try and ensure they do. When the influence of the US is no longer what it is today let us hope it set the world on a proper course and direction that will truly lead to a better future and not a course that looks more like the past.

 

XTIANGODLOKI

10:22 AM ET

March 9, 2011

What does China has to do with US decline?

The author, who also wrote a similar series of articles in Huffpo, ignores the very fact that American standard of living is declining compared not to China, but itself in the past. Twenty years ago most Americans believed that they can live the american dream of getting a big house, multiple cars, housewife to raise the kids, etc. by simply working hard. Today many Americans no longer possible today in many areas. In the present and likely the future, the only way for that dream to come true for most is if couples go dual income and have less kids.

Zakaria makes a similar mistake here by comparing the US to China. China is a third world nation so of course the US is better. However this doesn't mean that China is not on the rise and the US is not on the decline. You measure these things by comparing each country with its own past and not each others' present. The fact of the matter is most people in the US can FEEL their standard of living being lowered. Many people in China feel the opposite, but that has nothing to do with how American feel about themselves.

The thing is, if you take China out of the picture, the US would still be considered in the state of decline. Instead of China you would simply get India, Brazil, or some other fast growing nation which Americans will accuse of stealing jobs, unfair trade, etc. This has more to do with America's own policies, both domestic and foreign, which represents the interest of the few elite rather than for the general population. Instead of bashing China, maybe the author (being the dean of kennedy school nonethless) can focus on what can be done to halt or reverse the obvious American decline.

 

XEYNON

10:30 PM ET

March 9, 2011

American standards of living

American standards of living are declining? Really?

You think the average American in 1970, who had no iPods, personal computers, high speed internet, cell phones, or satellite television with hundreds of channels, and for whom color television and air conditioning were luxuries and a diagnosis of testicular or breast cancer a death sentence, was materially better off than the average American in 2011?

I don't. Americans are better off today than they were in the past, even poor Americans. If you think otherwise you haven't studied the history of poverty in America.

Contemporary America has many problems, but a declining standard of living isn't one of them.

 

SHAKIR

10:30 AM ET

March 9, 2011

Zakaria"s world.

Zakaria a scholar ?
it is rediculous.
He is just a normal Indian who havy limited vision and see every thing from their poverty ridden background. I do not blame him for that, because that is but natural.

He, during his show GPS--Gaffe Par Sans, if you notice gets lost and starts stairing blankly at no where-- which shows his hollowness. we should notice that whatever he says, writes is India centric (Covertly or Overtly)
He sees, analyze things with that background.
Although he might be right upto certain extent that USA has a bleak future, but did not give enough of the reasons or convincing reasons for that.
USA --though on the declining streak--could yet set itself straight and maintain its balance, in the world parlance. But if it still kept its hubris posture and the policy of world policeman interferring in every body's rear end it will have no other fate than doom. Sooner or later it has to adopt a policy of live and let live, receed its wings to its own shores and put all that energy in developing and prospering locally and not internationally. except in investment, and purely humanitarian fields.
God Bless America.

 

FAIRANDBALANCED

6:50 PM ET

March 10, 2011

You, sir, are an idi0t

From Wikipedia: Fareed Zakaria earned a Ph.D. degree in Political Science from Harvard University.

Now, who do I believe is the true scholar? Of course, it is you, the covert Pakistani, who can't even spell the word "ridiculous"?

 

SHAKIR

9:46 AM ET

March 11, 2011

Reply---PHD Scholar??

I do not know if donkey with load of books becomes a scholar.
At leas have your own name not stolen from Fox News Channel "Fair and Balance"
Do you have anything of your own at all, Except Povery Hate, lies, jealousy and irrational reaction to ligit exposure? This is How you reacted to Sara Sidner's (CNN) report on worl's biggest slum factory--India.

 

FAIRANDBALANCED

3:10 PM ET

March 11, 2011

Delusional much?

Come on, man...just admit it. You are a closet Paki who likely got his "advanced" degrees in the excellent madrasas in the land of the pure (ha..ha). It is the worlds greatest banana republic and the only contribution that country has made is in the field of terrorism. I am sure you are very proud of those kind of scholarly achievements. After all, they don't teach how to make b0mbs in Harvard.

You don't even have the ability to string together a coherent sentence let alone have the grounds to question Fareed's education.

As regards Sara Sidner - who is she and why should I care?

 

SHAKIR

10:36 AM ET

March 9, 2011

Hawks are getting itchy to commandeer tha mid east revolution.

Tunisian revolution almost went unnoticed under our nose until it was all over and Ben Ali was camped in Saudi Arabia.But then Egyptian saga stirred us from the slumber and we were wide awake and started taking stock of the events there. Media, especially CNN went berserk as if the revolution is happening right here on the home turf--USA. It however, deserves the credit of extensive and very difficult coverage of the every second developing and unfolding there.

Now it is Libya, which, as compared to Tunisia and Egypt, is proving to be much tougher and bloody. The reason forthat, probably, is that Libyan Dictator (Now-who was an Arab/African Leader untill few days ago) is proving to be hard nut to crack and seems to be consolidating his stronghold effectively. How long would he be able to cling on to the power is any body's guess.

The revolution. However, seems becoming everyday's routine, spreading the ripple effects, eroding the status-quo alongwith the secret arrangements made with the dictators on the block. It is clearly evident that this sweeping change would entail far and wide ranging ramifications,especially for us; as it is unpredictable as to what form of Governments would take shape in these countries and and how pro or anti west posture would they adopt.

This very situation is exposing the anxiety attack on the Hawks, Neo-Cons and the Christian Dominant world view protagonists all around the world and especially those of the west. Nervous Hawks, such as John McCain and Joe Lieberman, (both disgruntled old hogs who do not know any thing else to survive but to cling on to senete sponsored; federal assistance programme) have started gushing fire of military intervention and No fly zone etc.

These forces, as a self-proclaimed and appointed undisputed leader / custodian of the world, have started contemplating steering this revolution in the direction of their choice to protect their interests in this most crucial and important region of the world. President Obama's prudent caliberation in issueing policy statements is being criticized for not being bold enough, by these very forces-- Neo-Cons, Hawks and CDWVPs.

Some of them are suggesting direct intervention under the guise of helping the protesters and also imposing the No flay Zone umbrella; which according to US generals is not practical as it would strictly be a military option. The most foolish example of their nervouness is the implication of Iran in this revolution, which Gen. Mullen has categorically trashed. Many of the opposing forces within NATO and outside NATO including the Arab League and Asian block have voiced against any foreign intervention including that of the United Nations.

In any event, any intervention carried out would, most definetly, be counter productive and inflame the already strong anti west feelings even further. This is the time for the west to redeem itself of the past misadventures by letting the masses of Mid East determine and carve out the way of their own destiny and choice, without the contamination of western commandeering. This will create room for the mutual co existence with respect for each other. It becomes even more astutely important in the backdrop of USA being on the decline and loosing its edge of world leadership role, whereas the Europe is financially and morally already bankrupt.

Those with the keen sense of observation, some goose bumps must have arisen lately, as the revolution seems to be showing some undercurrents of loosing its steem and may prove to be short lived; opposed to the overwhelming notion of sweeping the entire mid east and Africa. In Yemen President Saleh is holding on and Ghaddafi may outlive the uprising as he seems to be in no hurry to surrender and have some forces within and without the country supporting him in the larger interest of the dictatorial fraternity. Once again, we in the west need to be careful lest we have to bite the bullet.

It would be much more eventful in the history of mankind if this kind of revolt or uprising takes place in India, as it is already overdue-- and that region, in my opinion, needs that kind of reshaping and overhauling—creating several smaller states to spur the progress and poverty alleviation of the millions of down trodden.

There is also a need of some sort of unification or federation between Afghanistan and Pakistan as this would harmonize the interests of the two counties and spread the opportunities to land locked Afghanistan by opening the route to neighboring newly independent states to the hot waters for trade and commerce. It would also create much needed Political and trade equilibrium in the region in the face of emerging China and declining US and economically bankrupt Europe.

 

SHAKIR

10:56 AM ET

March 9, 2011

Zakaria"s world.

He is an indian Not a scholar.
Did you ever notice during is show on CNN GPS--Gaffe Par Sans--He goes blank and start stiring nowhere, it shows his real self a delusional India centric with poverty ridden childhood, which i do not blame him since it is natural. He sees, analyze and write every thing with that background and readers, listners should bear that in mind.

About USA, he suggested the decline but did not present convincing arguments. In my opinion USA still has the chance to redirect its priorities and commanding its equal (not superior) status in world parlance. It has to stop wasting its energies in foreign lands, Governement, and people. Boost R & D, Infrastructure and revise the financial system-away from Capitalism, which has failed this country and would even further if not adjusted for the equitable distribution of wealth.--where it does not create Sors, forbes, Walmart AIG only but gneral prosperity whereby One head of the family can afford the expenses of the household and sufficiently be able to educate his children without being forced to send his wife to work at the cost of neglect of his real asset the children.

Creat as many free recreation Halls in all new and old communities as possible where the younger generation can gather and vent out and get invovlved in positive activities. The younger generation who is toppling the Kings, Sheikhs, Dictarors in Mid East would become a problem here too if not given a chance to channel thier energies positively. They all hang around and smoke weeds because anywhere else they go cost them money which they do not have. Then what do you want them to do? Look for girl and be permiscuous, smoke weed, dring beer, steal and mug people or house in the communites whose inhabitants are at work???

Think America! forget about being republicna or Democrat, think about being real American with a nice homeland to live in and thrive.

 

XEYNON

10:32 PM ET

March 9, 2011

I think you need to get your

I think you need to get your own blog.

 

FAIRANDBALANCED

6:54 PM ET

March 10, 2011

Shakir's world

Shakir is limited only by his double digit IQ and feeble imagination.

 

KXB

11:03 AM ET

March 9, 2011

Decline of which part of America?

Given the size of this country, it is always a bit risky to talk about the nation as a whole, whether we say it is doing well or doing poorly. Silicon Valley, with its well-educated population from every corner of the globe, seems to be a model worth emulating. Some parts of the American Southwest, which are also ethnically diverse, but less well educated, are a cause of concern. Suburban schools do quite well, but schools in the inner city are dropout factories.

As a nation, we have simply decided to import brain power and brawn, instead of developing talent. The countries that Zakaria admires, Northern European states such as Finland, Norway, and Sweden - are not immigrant nations. Japan as well, does not allow immigration.

I do not want to follow their path. As a son of immigrants, I believe a healthy amount of immigration is good for us. But, you cannot say that you want to improve the economic condition of the working poor, when you allow millions of illegals to undercut the price of their labor. If cheap labor were a necessary component of prosperity, India and China should have become rich a long time ago.

It is skilled labor which make a country wealthy, which is why Silicon Valley and Hollywood seem to always be a hive of creativity. Canada gives points to immigrants who bring skills to their country. But, with 300 million people already in the U.S., it is time to develop local talent, rather than just simply import it. What does it matter if I am doing well, if my neighbors are not?

For corporations, it is cheaper to either import cheap workers, or hire them overseas. That may work for their bottom line, but it may not necessarily work for a nation. Do we simply want to be the world's corporate headquarters?

 

DIANA RELKE

1:15 PM ET

March 9, 2011

decline

With all due respect, Prof. Nye, I'm going with the "decline" thesis. I've been following American politics for something like 60 years (I come from a family of politiphiles who, while Canadian, admired the US political model but always feared that gap between American ideals and American reality--a gap which has never been wider than it is today).

Never in the last 60 years has America been governed by so many crazies, so many members of Congress bought and paid for by special interests, such as the corporate lobbies, the evangelical churches, astroturfers, neocons, and the Zionists. US politics have never been so reactionary, nor so infested with multi-millionaires and billionaires and infantile aversion to paying taxes.

In the 'fifties, when it became clear that the US would be running the so-called "free world" as a kind of pseudo-imperialist, my politically astute mother was already explaining to me that all empires have one thing in common: they fall. But never, until this last decade, did I think it would fall in my lifetime. Now I am watching it fall on television.

 

DDSNAIK

1:53 PM ET

March 9, 2011

Agree with the hijacking of poliics but

... didn't we (the non-elites, non-millionaires, non-ideologues) surrender political will and/or enable the masters of the universe that act in such an egregious self-serving manner ? By choosing to perpetually imbibe the soma of easy, relatively good living and not asking too many questions or risk biting the hands that feed us, so to speak, aren't we to share some of the blame ?

And doesn't that leave us with an option to recapture control ? If non-privileged people in faraway countries with repressive governments can revolt and affect change, couldn't we fashion our own protest via mechanisms that, ironically, are already in place and legal and don't really involve violence or physical peril ?

I'm just saying...

I completely agree with you on the etiology, though.

 

VERBATIM

7:09 PM ET

March 9, 2011

Decline

I find your comment very interesting as it does more than Mr. Zakaria even attempted in his essay: a look at the kind of people who lead in America, and the expectations we have of them. However, it goes far, far beyond politics and politicians.
Our western, prized and cherished free enterprise --by that I mean more than capitalism --
has become equally irresponsible in society by the manner in which has been practised during the past 40 years or so.
Our collective conscience, as people and citizens, has gone astray. We rationalize everything, spin and weave the tale that we use to blindfold ourselves. We have low expectations from our leaders and expect nothing more from ourselves.
And that lesser quality of people we have become is what constitutes our decline, never mind how measured. Yes, "Cheer Up Fareed" don't worry, be happy. Prof. Nye has been here longer, seen it all, it's just a repeat of the cry wolf over and over.

 

THE GLOBALIZER

11:43 AM ET

March 10, 2011

I'd argue...

...that the Tea Party is this sort of political actualization, at least for one segment of the population.

As for Diana's comments, I think the dysphoria is largely a product of disagreement with the current political trendlines. As a social libertarian and fiscal conservative, I'm quite happy to see a) the reduced influence of Democratic politics, which powered much of the growth in government power in the 20th century, and b) the reduced influence of social conservatives, who enabled the political influence of Democrats through much of the 20th century by undermining small government principles with overbearing (and frankly mean) social activism.

The Tea Party isn't perfect, but it's quite a better orientation for this country domestically. How that shakes out for FP concerns, however, is another matter, with a big fat "TBD" on it.

 

PUBLICUS

2:08 PM ET

March 13, 2011

Canadians watch a lot of CBC TV

The United States isn't an empire, hasn't ever been. Rather, the post WW2 US has had the ability to project influence and power both soft and hard. One of the many things I like about a transformative president such as Barak Obama is that, as with Pres Eisenhower, hard power is the last resort instead of the first resort. Pres Obama himself embodies US soft power and the renewed projection globally of the great strength of US soft power.

 

BRYANSIMPSON

1:16 PM ET

March 9, 2011

Parochialism

What makes America great and will continue to make it great is that American's aren't a tribe. We are a people joined by universal ideals of what it is to be human. Most of the rest of the world still have varying degrees of xenophobia. Can anything other than a Chinese be accepted as Chinese?

America has it's share of tribalist, who would like to think of this country as a white, christian and English speaking country...they are the parochialist that would undermine what the constitution and inclusive tradition have made.

America's openness to all peoples must stay open for it to remain strong. Most of the world would love to have America's problems, a free and open society that is inclusive and comparatively well off. A steady flow of bright hard working immigrants looking to build their American dream will assure Americas place of leadership in the future.

 

DDSNAIK

1:35 PM ET

March 9, 2011

Founding Fathers made Roman comparisons ?

That would have been peculiar - since at the time of the founding fathers, America was much more of a fledgling nation than an established military and economic power. Very clever men of revolutionary times surely would have been acutely aware of that.

It speaks to Zakaria's influence and reach that a speculative commentary from him provokes so many reactions. I agree with the lot that says there are very serious issues to address and critical lost momentum to be regained, but let's not hit the panic button just yet. India and China and Brazil, et.al. are clearly on on the rise, but as indicated in his own book (The Post American World), this rise does not necessarily come at our expense (however one chooses to measure that). Plus, even that truth is buffered by the lack of transparency from China and the relatively short span during which the said countries have risen while we supposedly fester (just over a decade?).

No doubt that my generation (in my 30s now) and those right before and right after it are living off the fat of the efforts of the generations prior and need to pull our own weight sooner or later. Instead of running for the hills just yet, perhaps we can shake off the mental inertia and put on the metaphoric working boots and re-assess some priorities and ideas of entitlement to which we've become accustomed and right this ship (or start the process).

That being said, Zakaria is an awfully insightful and knowledgeable (and probably sincere) fellow. I fail to appreciate the barbs by Shakir earlier that want to discredit Zakaria's input based on some theoretical downside to his being from India and from a background of poverty or whatever (if that's even the case at all).

Cheers

 

EWAZZY36

1:45 PM ET

March 9, 2011

The US is definitely declining

The comparison from 200 years ago is too simplistic. US debt is ok, but if other countries stop buying up all the treasury notes it will be curtains. The treasury secretary travels to China regularly to take orders, we are already a satellite of China, believe or not. The best universities of the US are run by foreign scholars, there are no more qualified US-born scholars, all inventions and Nobel prices go to foreign nationals working at US universities. US education is getting worse, not better. The majority of Americans are under-educated, semi literate, gun-toting religious fanatics.
Maybe the foreign scholars working in the US should get involved in improving the education system of the poor US - as a sign of saying thanks.

 

HURRICANEWARNING

2:27 PM ET

March 9, 2011

We need change, and soon.

We need change, and soon. BUT, we will remain the most powerful and influential country in the world for AT LEAST the next 100 years. That is fact. Barring some type of apocalyptic Mad Max scenario of course. It seems to me that all the conventional thought says that America is falling as an empire. If history has taught me one thing, it is that whenever everyone thinks something is gonna happen...it doesnt. Conventional wisdom is often wrong, and 'gut feelings' are often over reactions. I find that many of the people who believe so surely in the american decline are people that secretly, would kind of be happy with it. Canadians, British, Europeans, Asians. I'm not being outta line here, I'm serious, whenever I hear from any of the above, they all preach to me about how they "saw it coming" and that American "imperial decline" is currently underway.
This is all a perception issue, and it makes it very hard to see America for what it really is when you are on the outside looking in. EVERYONE in the world thinks they understand America, they think they have us pegged. Well, i was born here and I still dont understand America. It is BY FAR AND AWAY the most dynamic country on earth.

Let's look real quick at what we have to offer as a country.
-stable (growing slightly), young population.
-300 million, comparatively well educated, culturally diverse people.
-Stable system of laws
-stable government
-HUGE territory.
-massive amounts of natural resources
-common language, common Americanism
-Best Schools is the world, hands down
-Biggest companies in the world
-By far and away the most powerful, professional military in the world.
-large coastlines, easy access to trade
-two relatively peaceful and stable neighbors in Mexico (i said relatively) and Canada.
-We are the biggest English speaking country, in an English speaking world
-We are the entertainment hub of the world.
-We have a VERY competitive nature
-we teach our children and inherently believe that we are individuals, capable of doing great things. (this is actually important, because if you were to travel to Russia or China, for instance, you would find a very different cultural viewpoint)

anyway, i could go on. But the point is, a country that looks like us, will never really be anything but powerful. I could see in a hundred years or so, when enough people could theoretically learn Portugese, Hindi, or Chinese, that the US could lose its influence. but not till then. We still are the English speaking standard in an English speaking world. If we do nothing, we will still be powerful for the next 50-100 years at least. if we Change our ways, we could remain powerful for the forseeable future.

fact.

 

DR. SARDONICUS

8:56 PM ET

March 9, 2011

Fiddling while Rome burns

How very refreshing it is to hear that, from your tenured folds of Ivy League privilege, everything looks hunky dory if you squint your eyes just right, and sounds fine as long as you shut your ears to the Titanic victims’ screams.

How very Panglosian of you.

Pray, enjoy your idyll while it lasts, because the serial ripoff of Global Disaster Capitalism currently fashionable among your elite peers is bound to backflash even into your serene neck of the woods, sooner or later, just like everyone else's (less suitably insulated with moneys Old and New, and therefore more vulnerable to the insatiable "Profit Taking on the Margins" of your peers).

How nice to hear, once again, how at least some few are thriving during what is inescapable meltdown for, and serial pillage of, the rest of us.

 

THE GLOBALIZER

11:38 AM ET

March 10, 2011

lol

Hyperbole much?

Last time I checked, I'm doing quite fine, and I'm not pillaging anyone or anything.

 

PUBLICUS

2:41 PM ET

March 13, 2011

Rattletrap

Empires are dinosaurs - they no longer exist. WWI killed off empires and WW2 buried them forever. However, the old mindset of the existence of empire continues to exist in the delusions of those who think in antiquated terms and concepts. There is no 'American Empire' to either decline or fall - there never has been one. The United States is the dominant presence in the world because of its Constitution and its values, its aspirations, methods and purpose, all of which and more being rooted in the European Enlightment. The European Enlightenment contributed mightily to the end of empire and to rise of democracy, new concepts of justice and equality and much more that are the central tenents of the modern and future world.

The mindset most fixed on the passe' notions of empire are the PRChinese who repeatedly ad neausum recite their decrepit Old World notions of the continued rise and fall of empires seeing of course the fall of the (non-existant) US empire and the rise of the CCP-PRC empire of censorship and the diktat of the CCP-PRC State-Corporate-Military complex directed by the one party state. If the CCP in Beijing has its way they will resurrect the ancient corpse of empire which indeed is a delusionary idea and purpose, dangerously so.

 

THE GLOBALIZER

11:16 AM ET

March 10, 2011

Agree with your article...

...but did want to make one comment.

While Canada and Mexico are not seeking alliances with China to balance American power in the region, South American (and even some Central American) nations are. And it is a wise policy, as most of the nations in question do not have free trade agreements in place with the US.

In South America, we snooze, so we lose.

Overall, however, it's a blip in the radar.

 

VMITCHELL

12:36 PM ET

March 10, 2011

The Strengths of the US

Many, many reasons to understand the extraordinary strengths of the US and for optimism in the future:

1) The US is the world's largest manufacturer, with a gross output of nearly $5 trillion ( >$2 trillion in GDP contribution) producing 20% of all the world's manufactured goods, a market share it has held for decades - Japan and the EU have had their shares decline precipitously, something rarely noted - also America produces one-third of all the world's high tech goods. (manufacturing jobs have been lost in less competitve industries, yet has remained strong in higher value industries)
2) The US spends 35-40% of the world's research and development money, guarenteeing future prosperity
3) At $15 trillion, it remains by far the largest economy in the world, 3x's larger than China
4) The US is deliberative, self-critical, and self correcting, and so unlike some of those in Europe and the Middle East who incessantly criticize the US, America is dynamic and fluid, changing as it needs to--identifying problems and rapidly fixing them, remaining forever adaptable and formidable and certainly the most extreme opposite of stagnant or 'flat footed.'
5) Its unmatched culture of leading universities, think-tanks, public debates, entrpreneurship, coupled with its domination of technology and science provides it with an extraordinary productivity and potential.
6) Despite what some may say, the US, without imposing, has the most attractive culture the world over; this is a reflection of the overt and subtle things about America and Americans which makes it so emulated and great.
7) The net worth of Americans even after the 'Great Recession' is some $60 trillion, a sum equivalent to the entire world's annual output (GDP).

And regarding China:
1) It will be the first nation in human history to become old before it became rich, an enormous and techtonic shock to its already fragile social fabric
2) As of 2010, China has peaked in its labor force - every year going forward, their will be more 'pensioners' (although there is no safety net) than productive laborers
3) Tibet, Xinjiang are just two most restive regions - political stability is a shame there - read the most authoritative strategic analyzers today, STRATFOR, as they have repeatedly predicted massive calamities for China ahead.

 

MEGAKIDS

6:30 PM ET

March 10, 2011

Reading of China Dead Wrong!

While your comments of US are somewhat arrogant and optimistic, the majority is quite true. However, your China comments fell short and were dead wrong. China has a much longer and grander civilization. Since you have such great Universities and think tanks, maybe it will be useful for you to expand your knowledge by reading up history, going back 2000 years. Chinese are just as resilient, adaptable and innovative. I said "are just" is giving you face, because 2000 years ago your civilization was non-existent. Aging society issue is being tackled, and population by sheer size will take a much longer time to age. Tibet Xinjiang - as long as US continues to decline and cannot afford to fund the CIA to mess around, and with the regions prospering day by day, it's a non-issue, just like Taiwan.

 

PUBLICUS

3:05 PM ET

March 13, 2011

Reactionary China

The CCP-PRC are the most reactionary force in the world. The CCP in Beijing restricts and prohibits IT to the Chinese sheeple, censors all media to include discussion boards on the internet, intentionally has lously 'Chinglish' teachers to ensure the Chinese learners right up through college can't competently read and speak English to therefore have built-in limitations to what they can read, hear and understand of the actual world outside of the mainland CCP-PRC.

The CCP in Beijing is reconsidering its one child only policy because, while life expectancy remains short at age 69, the Chinese sheeple are aging and the numbers of its working age youth are not keeping pace to support the increasingly aging Chinese. Despite all the chatter about changing the one child policy, because the population continues to grow the policy continues to remains intact and shall continue to do so foreseeably.

The CCP-PRC offers no rationale to justify its existence other than the Chinese are the Chinese and the Chinese Communist Party is the only political party that can enforce "harmony" in China to include occupied Tibet and XinJiang especially and to "regain" Taiwan because the CCP in Beijing just cannot allow Chinese to live in a democracy that is a stone's throw from China's mainland East Coast. The Chinese sheeple are extremely limited in their exposure to the world and know only what the CCP in Beijing want the sheeple to know and only in the ways Beijing wants the sheeple to know the nothing that they do know.

China as always is going nowhere fast.

 

NANCY B

12:56 PM ET

March 10, 2011

Nye's article

Two aspects of America's view of itself are consistent over the centuries:
(1) the view that "we are a young nation" (although the world's oldest constitutional form of representative government ) and
(2) "we are in decline."

Taking up the second, there are always more than enough indicators of same: in 1942 it was the shocking ill health and ignorance of conscripts and volunteers showing up for WW II, and in 1957 it was the shocking state of scientific education, etc. Nye is right to point to the dynamism, cosmopolitanism and heterogenaity of the nation and its peoples.

The future is not fated to be either dark or bright -- it will be what we make it. Yes, there are severe problems -- but they are not as dire as those that faced the nation in the spring of 1861 or the fall of 1932 or December 1941.

Can we change? Yes. Must we change? Yes. WIll we change? Aaaaah

 

FRANKBLANK

5:11 PM ET

March 10, 2011

U.S. In Decline?

If the measure used is the standard of living of average folk, the answer is yes. If the measure used is the increased wealth and power of the top 10 or 15 percent, the answer is no. If the measure is based on the upper middle, say the second 15 percent, the answer is maybe, maybe not.

So, over all, yes. Decline has been here for 30 years, it's effects now becoming noticeable.

 

DONSMYTH-ST.JOHN

9:23 AM ET

March 11, 2011

discounts the debt

Yes, we know that Americans are sort of manic-depressive about the situation. But the difference nowadays is that always before, it was the biggest creditor nation in the world, now it's the biggest debtor in the world. That's never happened before.
It's easy to blow off the impact of this debt, as some above have done, but much harder to deal with it, and it's many unforeseen consequences.

 

PUBLICUS

3:46 PM ET

March 13, 2011

US debit, current account, FDI

Everyone agrees the US sovereign national debt needs to be paid down.

We know the current account is unhealthy but needs only a more nutritious slim down diet. With the PRC-CCP in Beijing shifting away from exports and its mercantile economy the RMB necessarily is appreciating to protect against worse inflation domestically. The steady appreciation of the RMB over the next five years will cause the US current account imbalance to lose its major drag.

Both of the above anyway are either neutralized or negated by the outstanding fact that the United States remains the preferred destination of Foreign Direct Investment by investors public and private around the world. With existing FDI continuing to expand domestically and ever increasing new inflows of FDI to the US, our economy can continue to sustain hits such as the present financially induced mess and will recreate prosperity and stability once we are past the present downturn. Indeed, the downturn is now begining very clearly to be taking its expected upturn.

The CCP-PRC in Beijing are delusional to convince themselves that the US has entered a period of incremental terminal decline. But then again, that's what CCP ideologues do - they live within the limited dimwitted and restricted confines of their own fantasy world mind. Ask the former Communist Party of the Soviet Union, the late and unlamented USSR.