Schadenfreude and Sympathy in Shanghai

Some Chinese are welcoming the tragedy unfolding in next-door Japan. Others are sending their prayers. As usual, the government is nervous.

BY ADAM MINTER | MARCH 11, 2011

Late Friday afternoon at the Hengshan Road Starbucks in Shanghai's French Concession, most of the customers were browsing iPhones, laptops, and -- in the corner -- an iPad. A few hours earlier, news of the devastating Japanese earthquake had ricocheted across Chinese sites, becoming the third-ranked trending topic of the day on Baidu, the country's leading search engine, with 2.5 million searches for "Japan earthquake" as of 5:30 p.m. -- just a few hours after the event, and, according to a tweeted account, racking up more than 8 million mentions on the country's leading microblogging service, Sina Weibo. "Anything like this is going to trend," said Kaiser Kuo, director of international communications for Baidu in a call from Beijing. "Chinese user behavior isn't different than anywhere else. But the reaction to the news can be, of course, quite different."

At Starbucks I tapped the shoulder of a thirty-ish young man in a dark suit whom I noticed switching between his email, Chinese news sites, and a stream of microblogged comments on a relatively new Lenovo laptop. His family name is Cai, he told me, and he works for a machine parts manufacturer with clients in Japan. "I feel bad for my customers," he said in extremely polished English. "This is really going to hurt their orders and probably us too." When I asked him if he sensed sympathy from the Chinese netizens he was following on his screen, he laughed uncomfortably. "Not everybody in China has such warm feelings for Japan." How about you, I asked. "I feel for my customers!"

Though it's nearly impossible to characterize how the world's largest population of Internet users feels about a particular event, even a brief, afternoon trawl through the comments left on the country's vibrant and chaotic forums shows two most predictable strains: first, a strain of tender sympathy that was so movingly expressed in the aftermath of 2008's devastating Wenchuan earthquake (often appended with a call to "pray for Japan"); second, a darker, celebratory strain frequently invoking variations of the phrase "Warmly welcome the Japanese earthquake." To an extent, both of these reactions are quite predictable, especially -- in the last case -- considering the deep ambivalence toward Japan felt at all levels of Chinese society.

But what was not predictable, or -- to use Kuo's phrase, "quite different" -- was a reaction that began to pop up in various parts of China's Internet toward the very late afternoon and early evening. In part, it's a reaction against the nakedly inappropriate nationalism that marked some of the earliest reactions to the tragedy; but buried in that nationalist critique is an unflattering national critique as well. Take, for example, a message that was lifted to Weibo's front page late in the day (similar to Twitter's front page of popular tweets), that read, in part: "How many Japanese would write, ‘Congratulations on the Wenchuan earthquake?'" It's an uncomfortable question that was, in a sense, revised and extended onto Twitter by a Chinese user who, tacitly invoking the crumbled buildings in the aftermath of the Wenchuan quake, pointed out, late in the day: "The casualties from an 8.9 event in China would be hundreds of times higher than in Japan." That kind of comment, most likely, wouldn't last long on China-based Sina Weibo, which is heavily "managed." Indeed, as some began to point out on local and international microblogging platforms late in the day, natural disasters -- whether in China or elsewhere -- are politically sensitive events from the perspective of the leadership. This one, like Wenchuan, is increasingly becoming so.

Meanwhile, back at Starbucks, two young Chinese women in their twenties, one with iPhone, and the other gadget-less, overhearing my English-language conversation, brashly reached out to me. "We Chinese people feel very badly for Japan," one said, while declining to give me her name. "We know that Japan cared very much for China after our earthquake. So we will want to help them." When I asked if either one would consider donating to the Red Cross, just as Chinese had done in droves after the Wenchuan quake, they looked at each other, then back at me. "Why not?," answered the one who already done all of the talking. "China is becoming a great nation these days. We should."

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 SUBJECTS: CHINA, DISASTERS, JAPAN, EAST ASIA
 

Adam Minter is a freelance journalist in Shanghai. He blogs at Shanghai Scrap.

DREW ASHTON

12:45 PM ET

March 11, 2011

Morning Briefs

Good reporting and I liked the Chinese reaction to the earthquke.

 

XTIANGODLOKI

3:15 PM ET

March 11, 2011

Point?

You know that no one will ever do a "what does Tibetans think about Chinese earth quake" story because it would put the former group in a negative light.

 

PUBLICUS

9:00 AM ET

March 12, 2011

Occupation by the CCP

It's extremely difficult for "devil" (Western) journalists to access Tibet, where the Beijing CCP-PRC occupiers are busily decimating Tibetan culture, same as in the Turkik speaking Mulsim province of XinJiang where the CCP also is rooting out the local cultures. Didn't some of the '08 China quake hit some of Tibet too?Let's get real here for a while.

 

CINESIMON

3:47 PM ET

March 14, 2011

What a childish, ignorant

What a childish, ignorant assumption.

 

XTIANGODLOKI

2:28 PM ET

March 15, 2011

 

PERSIMON

9:56 AM ET

March 20, 2011

it did not take long for the

it did not take long for the Chinese 5-cent army to hit, did it?

 

SHARON STONE

5:35 AM ET

March 12, 2011

I'm not Chinese

This earthquake and all this stuff happened, and then I thought, is that Karma? When you're not nice then the bad things happen to you?

 

GCOMEAU

12:58 PM ET

March 14, 2011

What?

Yes, because if there's one nation on the face of the earth that has sufficient bad karma against it to warrant a 9.0 earthquake to be inflicted on it to level things out... it's Japan. Not North Korea... not Iran... JAPAN. Some nebulous force of cosmic justice reached out and shifted a tectonic plate to punish them for... what, exactly?

Are you kidding me?

 

@ORD

7:17 PM ET

March 12, 2011

We all know a bit of German -:)

So what's the author's point?

The reaction in Shanghai probably is not too different from that in Peoria, IL. China had a bitter war with Japan. US had a bitter war with Japan too. Most people got over that and moved on, some have not. It is a fact of life. Live with it.

At this time, our pray is all with the people suffering from this natural disaster.

Perhaps the author could try to"tapped the shoulder" of residents of Peoria, IL to see their responses. I, for one, certainly won't tolerate this kind of patronizing gesture.

@ORD
(originally from Shanghai)

 

CINESIMON

4:02 PM ET

March 14, 2011

Perhaps you might want to

Perhaps you might want to read the post again.
It's not about what you think it's about.
If you still don't figure it out, I suggest you take reading comprehension classes.

 

@ORD

5:18 PM ET

March 15, 2011

temp0001

CINESIMON,

assuming you are not the author - it would be really low if you are, you still have not made a half decent point -:)

@ORD

 

PERSIMON

10:09 AM ET

March 20, 2011

because Chinese people are mean and petty and have not moved on

Of course, there is no need to ask that question to the people in the US (or anywhere in the world outside China for that matter) because everyone's response would be one of sympathy and condolence for the terrible loss suffered by the people of Japan

Even Vietnam had a bitter war of Japan (more than 1 M vietnamese died due to the Japanese invasion) , but Vietnam has moved on and the Vietnamese public has been expressing love and admiration for Japan in response to the earthquake

why have some Chinese people not been able to move on from their WWII mindset then? they are mean and petty , thats why

 

BEN

10:30 AM ET

March 13, 2011

Without some statistics or

Without some statistics or wider opinion surveys, it's a little hard to put this in context. After all, we assume that the US is eminently sympathetic to the suffering in a nation that has long been a major ally, and then we read this:
http://i.imgur.com/wbiJh.jpg

(For anyone hesitant to click on the link, it is a collection of Facebook posts calling the earthquake and tsunami karma for Pearl Harbour)

 

MERVDIDDY

12:54 PM ET

March 14, 2011

Horrifying

That link... there just aren't any words.

 

CINESIMON

4:08 PM ET

March 14, 2011

When it comes to America's

When it comes to America's right wing(no-one who understands this malicious, nihilist, anti-science movement could call them 'conservative' with a straight face), there are not many people in this world who believe they're sympathetic to people in any plight if it doesn't affect them directly.
They may use the plight of others as an excuse to take action in advancement of their own interests, but they have a fundamental issue with helping people in dire need, or even feeling for them.

 

@ORD

5:52 PM ET

March 15, 2011

right vs left

From purely an observant point of view, the right at least tends to be more consistent with what they preach, which may not be necessarily right.

Problem of the American left - their self righteous attitude, and lack of courage to stick it out when it really counts. Ever wonder why ordinary folks in US are tilting a little to the right ? :)

@ORD

 

COMPASSIONFORBOTHSIDES

11:34 AM ET

March 16, 2011

Glenn Beck's philosophy

So it's better to be wrong...but consistent, and fighting for what's wrong...

Then to be right...yet fractured and unable to fight effectively?

 

PUBLICUS

2:24 PM ET

March 16, 2011

Right wingers

The conservative segment of the US public and the liberals eventually wore out the USSR which anyway collapsed of its own dead weight. The present right wingers are hard nosed and hard hearted extremists of whom the CCP-PRC had better beware.

Traditional US conservatives such as Barry Goldwater and Ev Dirksen were reasonable people in the give and take of domestic politics and found common ground with liberal Democratic senators such as Henry Jackson who also was a Cold War hawk. To the contrary, Jim DeMint, Rand Paul and their like in the US Senate represent a slice of America that is intemperate in the extreme or, as in the case of Sarah Palin, simply a dingbat who never will see elective office again. A conservative in the US would leave the room during such a presentation, while Sens DeMint and Rand Paul would stand and cheer as Palin would wink and say, "You betcha!"

The whole of the US electorate is nothing at all like or similar to DeMint, Paul, Palin as we will see again in the 2012 re-election of the transformative Pres Obama. The vast majority of us much prefer having Pres Obama relating the United States to the world than a contemporary conservative such as Mitt Romney who because of the faarrr right doesn't know whether he's coming or going on any given issue.

 

COMMENTOR S

1:36 PM ET

March 14, 2011

journalistic malpractice

Dude, really? This is the article you went with? Basically, you went to a starbuck's and surfed the internet and found that China's netizens and coffee shop patrons were expressing a wide variety of opinions and feelings--some of them ambiguous--on the Japanese disaster. And then you wrote about it as if this were insightful and noteworthy. This article could just as well be about ANY group of people ANYWHERE in the world and be in reference to ANY event in the world that had taken place. Further, as stated upsteam in comments already, you offer no statistical data, and on top of that, no attributable quotes. It's a joke. In fact, i'm going to go ahead and call b.s. on the Starbucks quotes, as well. I suspect that they are manufactured, a la the NYT's Thomas Friedman's mythical taxi drivers. "China is becoming a great nation these days..."? Come on: That's ridiculously stilted and cartoonish even without context, but you're going to go ahead and have it coming from the mouth of a 20-something? I cannot believe this writing got past the department of raised eyebrows at FT. And, finally: "His family name is Cai, he told me". Are you kidding me? There are literally about 20 million people with the family name Cai in China, which makes the attribute meaningless. This is a maneuver straight out of China Daily, where that paper's writers will add intimacy/humanity to an article by quoting someone for a story, but then supplying only a surname that is so common as to be useless.

This is poor journalism.

 

CINESIMON

4:12 PM ET

March 14, 2011

Get a life! It';s a small

Get a life! It';s a small dispatch.
If you want to pretend you're an expert in journalism, I suggest you at least first try to understand the basics. These traditional little dispatches were never supposed to be 'journalism' in the sense that you mean.
The world is not a black and white fantasy land created in the image of your ideals, kiddo.

And you claims that it's all just made up seem to me to be wishful projection.

 

ELLE NORD

4:54 PM ET

March 14, 2011

Chinese Mirror

The Chinese are rarely encouraged to hold a mirror to their own faces. If they did they would see themselves as others see them, which is not necessarily good. In the city in which I live, Vancouver, I have encountered Chinese immigrants who are comfortable talking about the Japanese in the vilest and most hateful terms. Their nationalistic attitude is akin to 1930s Germany. At the same time they seem to be emigrating to other countries like Canada (and even Japan) in droves, so i don't know what that says about their nationalism. During the year that I taught English in Japan I never encountered anything that matched the nastiness of the comments made by the Chinese. Communism tends to have a vulgarizing effect.

China is the second most powerful economy in the world. How much of their wealth do they share with other countries? What was their response to Darfur, Iraq, Katrina, Chile, and Haiti? Was it befitting of an "economic superpower"? They may be economically powerful but culturally they are lagging in almost every way conceivable. Stories abound of murdered baby girls, animal abuse, copyright infringement, theft of intellectual property, and severe restrictions of speech. Yet they view themselves as superior? While we're on the subject, Chinese landlords in Vancouver are protesting the building of a nearby hospice because they are afraid of "bad spirits" lowering the real estate value.

 

XTIANGODLOKI

2:26 PM ET

March 15, 2011

Do racist trolls usually act morally superior?

1) Most of the Chinese immigrants in Vancouver are from Hong Kong during the British colonist rule (pre1997). The reason for the nastiness which Chinese act towards Japanese have something to do with WWII and what the later did to the former, not communism. I have heard plenty of vile things Tibetans and Free Tibetan people are saying about the Han Chinese in general, but I don't blame them or buddhaism.

2) There are plenty of vile things Japanese are saying about Chinese and gaijins. Just because Elle Nord is ignorant about japan doesn't meant that it's not happening. I am married to a right winger Japanese and we have watched are popular TV shows which have "experts" trying to prove that Nanjing Massacre didn't happen. Can you imagine the outrage if popular German programing attempting at Holocaust denial?

 

@ORD

5:26 PM ET

March 15, 2011

Vancouver

Elle Nord,

The issue in Vancouver goes both ways, i am sure you know that. Besides as a previous writer pointed out, few immigrants to Vancouver are from mainland China. Know your facts:)

We are getting off topic -:)

@ORD

 

ELLE NORD 2

5:47 PM ET

March 15, 2011

speech curtailed by communist sympathizers

I'll keep this short. Apparently I was banned for making the comment posted above. It's striking to see a supposedly American publication like FP taking its cues from Mao's Red Book.

 

@ORD

5:57 PM ET

March 15, 2011

Until this post i thought you were at least real

If you were banned, why are you still here?

 

CCNG

12:04 AM ET

March 23, 2011

Is XTIANGODLOKI insinuating

Is XTIANGODLOKI insinuating HKers are worse off than mainlanders? As far as I know mainlanders are far more nationalist and prone to do the things Elle described.

 

APMAHA03

7:02 PM ET

March 15, 2011

Best week for Chinese government/ nationalists?

Japan is in disarray; India's government is more incompetent and corrupt than ever; EU is infighting again; US national politics are fracturing its status abroad; the Middle East is spiraling into violence; North Korea is doing its nuclear thing again and keeping South Korea busy. Meanwhile the Chinese economy grows at 8 plus percent again; no one is challenging their censorship and national policies anymore, their companies are making oodles of money, and oh and the Dalai Lama is retired. Any thoughts?

 

JOLLITY FARM

10:57 PM ET

March 15, 2011

salient points

Yes, I'm afraid you are onto something. While the world turns and roils in its various global dramas, China lays low and collects the pieces after they fall. Meanwhile their society remains a fortress of censorship and ultra-nationalism. Not only that, the Chinese are aggressively stealing American state secrets and technology. The show "60 minutes" covered this subject in a recent episode. The real mystery is why Americans thought it would be a good idea to be complicit in the building of this fortress-like economic juggernaut in the first place.

 

@ORD

12:36 PM ET

March 16, 2011

This is a very cynical way of

This is a very cynical way of looking at things. It is natural disaster, for crying out loud. Can't we just focus on that, and the sense of humanity hopefully we still possess?

 

PUBLICUS

1:03 PM ET

March 16, 2011

The trouble

The problem and trouble inherent to the Chinese is the persistent problem of Old World peoples - they don't know how or why to forgive and forget. Or at the least, if one can't forget, to forgive. The cycle of malicious hate and vengeance which leads inevitably to murderous violence goes on and on.

 

MATC

5:14 PM ET

March 23, 2011

Yasukuni Shrine

Unfortunately, Yasukuni Shrine, which worshipped 1000+ war criminals is well kept in place. The renewal of scar will last until it is gone.

 

EPALLEN

9:44 PM ET

March 16, 2011

I teach English to university

I teach English to university students and adults in China and the other day I wrote on the board, "how can we help Japan?" upon which a nervous laughter sprawled through the room. One student mustard up the courage and diverted the question by saying China responded to Haiti's problem within a few hours and Japan took a few days so he said this clearly shows their (Japan's) attitude. Another student started speaking about how some people in China were cheering the earthquake upon which other more genteel students shook their heads and told him to shut up.

The scars from the 1930's (which are truly tragic) have somehow survived and crept into the skin of people who were born in the 70's, 80's and 90's.

It's truly exhausting trying to speak to most Chinese people about the news because it's all rhetoric and excuses. It is petty nationalism that inhibits mature conversations . . . I'll compare it to high school sports rivalries in America . . . but unlike high school this is truly frightening considering the scale and scope of China today.

 

PERSIMON

11:07 AM ET

March 20, 2011

 

PAPAPENG

1:39 AM ET

April 3, 2011

English Grammar

EPALLEN:
[I teach English to university

I teach English to university students and adults in China and the other day I wrote on the board, "how can we help Japan?" upon which a nervous laughter sprawled through the room. One student MUSTARD up the courage ........ ]

You do really teach English???

 

CCNG

12:09 AM ET

March 23, 2011

Asian unity above all

I have been to Japan and I do not find them the enemy many Chinese are brought up to believe, including myself. The Japanese seem like normal, courteous people and there's really no reason to make relations worse than it is. Most of the rumors about Japan denying any responsibility over WW2 I found turned out to be totally false. Of course we do have nationalists on both sides, yet I think we both know nationalists don't represent the majority in either country. So why talk as if they do?