Obama's Unconstitutional War

By unilaterally going to war against Libya, Obama is bringing America closer to the imperial presidency than Bush ever did.

BY BRUCE ACKERMAN | MARCH 24, 2011

In taking the country into a war with Libya, Barack Obama's administration is breaking new ground in its construction of an imperial presidency -- an executive who increasingly acts independently of Congress at home and abroad. Obtaining a U.N. Security Council resolution has legitimated U.S. bombing raids under international law. But the U.N. Charter is not a substitute for the U.S. Constitution, which gives Congress, not the president, the power "to declare war."

After the Vietnam War, Congress passed the War Powers Resolution, which granted the president the power to act unilaterally for 60 days in response to a "national emergency created by attack upon the United States, its territories or possessions, or its armed forces." The law gave the chief executive an additional 30 days to disengage if he failed to gain congressional assent during the interim.   

But, again, these provisions have little to do with the constitutionality of the Libyan intervention, since Libya did not attack our "armed forces." The president failed to mention this fundamental point in giving Congress notice of his decision on Monday, in compliance with another provision of the resolution. Without an armed "attack," there is no compelling reason for the president to cut Congress out of a crucial decision on war and peace.

This is particularly striking since, in the Libyan case, the president had plenty of time to get congressional support. A broad coalition -- from Senator John McCain to Senator John Kerry -- could have been mobilized on behalf of a bipartisan resolution as the administration engaged in the necessary international diplomacy. But apparently Obama thought it more important to lobby the Arab League than the U.S. Congress.

In cutting out Congress, Obama has overstepped even the dubious precedent set when President Bill Clinton bombed Kosovo in 1999. Then, the Justice Department's Office of Legal Counsel asserted that Congress had given its consent by appropriating funds for the Kosovo campaign. It was a big stretch, given the actual facts -- but Obama can't even take advantage of this same desperate expedient, since Congress has appropriated no funds for the Libyan war. The president is simply using money appropriated to the Pentagon for general purposes to conduct the current air campaign.

The War Powers Resolution doesn't authorize a single day of Libyan bombing. But it does provide an escape hatch, stating that it is not "intended to alter the constitutional authority of the Congress or of the President." So it's open for Obama to assert that his power as commander in chief allows him to wage war without Congress, despite the Constitution's insistence to the contrary.

Many modern presidents have made such claims, and Harry Truman acted upon this assertion in Korea. But it's surprising to find Obama on the verge of ratifying such precedents. He was elected in reaction to the unilateralist assertions of John Yoo and other apologists for George W. Bush-era illegalities. Yet he is now moving onto ground that even Bush did not occupy. After a lot of talk about his inherent powers, Bush did get Congress to authorize his wars in Afghanistan and Iraq. Now, Obama is putting Bush-era talk into action in Libya -- without congressional authorization.

The president's insistence that his Libyan campaign is limited in its purposes and duration is no excuse. These are precisely the issues that he should have defined in collaboration with Congress. Now that he claims inherent power, why can't he redefine U.S. objectives on his own? No less important, what is to stop some future president from using Obama's precedent to justify even more aggressively unilateral actions?

The buck stops on Capitol Hill. As always, presidential unilateralism puts Congress in a tough position. It cannot afford to cut off funds immediately and put the lives of Americans, and U.S. allies, in danger. But it can pass a bill denying future funding after three months. This would prevent the president from expanding the mission unless he can gain express congressional consent.

The U.S. Congress should also take more fundamental steps to bring the imperial presidency under control. In the aftermath of Watergate, Congress went beyond the War Powers Resolution to enact a series of framework statutes that tried to impose the rule of law on a runaway presidency. Many of these statutes have failed to work as planned, but they were the product of a serious investigation led by Senator Frank Church and Representative Otis Pike during the 1970s. A similar inquest is imperative today. In many respects, Bush's war on terrorism was a more sweeping breach of constitutional norms than anything Richard Nixon attempted in Watergate. Yet Congress has been silent, trusting Obama to clean house on his own.

The president has shown, by his actions, that this trust is not justified. If Congress fails to respond, we have moved one large step further down the path to a truly imperial presidency.

JIM WATSON/AFP/Getty Images

 

Bruce Ackerman, a professor of law and political science at Yale, is the author of The Decline and Fall of the American Republic.

ODYSSEY8

7:20 PM ET

March 24, 2011

Checks and balances? What checks and balances?

So much for the Constitutional provisions that provide not only specify the separation of the Executive, Legislative and Judicial branches of the U.S. government, but along with them the checks and balances that are supposed to insure that no one single branch of the government can tip the balance of power in their favor.

These checks and balances have been dissolving for years. How many times in recent years have we seen the Executive branch drag this country into conflicts overseas without getting the approval from Congress? President Obama getting this country into the middle of Libya when it is already fighting two other wars in the region is just the most recent example. Checks and balances? What checks and balances?

Anyone in the U.S. who still believes that we are living in a democracy is just kidding themselves!

 

CHUCK2251

12:55 PM ET

March 25, 2011

COST OF WAR

WE ARE ONLY SPENDING A LITTLE OVER A 100,000,000, DOLLARS PER DAY..
TAX PAYERS CAN AFFORD THIS THEY HAVE LOTS OF EXTRA MONEY..OBAMA HOPES IT WILL BOAST HIS RATINGS..

CHUCK2251 I AM BROKE

 

CHUCK2251

12:55 PM ET

March 25, 2011

COST OF WAR

WE ARE ONLY SPENDING A LITTLE OVER A 100,000,000, DOLLARS PER DAY..
TAX PAYERS CAN AFFORD THIS THEY HAVE LOTS OF EXTRA MONEY..OBAMA HOPES IT WILL BOAST HIS RATINGS..

CHUCK2251 I AM BROKE

 

IKARUS NATION

3:11 PM ET

March 25, 2011

The Very Model of a Modern Major Empire...

Come on folks, you don't have to drag out the tired "realpolitik" concept of the world to see what's going on here. Just take a step back and it becomes obvious; why wouldn't a modern empire cloak itself in the trappings of a republic with a rotating emperor to appease the peoples sense of participation.... after that last one, the really had to break out a new/different model to calm us a bit longer.

In view of our history, the Roman and British models of empire would never be accepted by the American people. It's so simple, it"s brilliant!!! The question now is, has Obama's administration crossed the Rubicon? And how slippery is that slop going to be?

 

GFOWKES

3:46 PM ET

March 25, 2011

Declarations of War?

Declaration of war is a legal status governing the affected nations which may or may not involve actaul combat. We were at war with Germany until reunification after the wall came down. We were at war with Austria until the late fifties when a peace agreement was signed by the war time allies.

While other nations may declare war on us for conducting combat operations on them, but no legal state of war eists until one or the other declares it.

The conduct of military operations does against whomever is at the direction of the President as Commander in Chief and with his exclusive power to manage relations with nations. Thus military forces can enforce freedom of the seas operations without triggering a state of war automatically. That is tricky as most American wars have been triggered or exacerbated by actions involving the sea, ships, and ports.

The Congressional counter balance not only includes the money issue but includes the exclusive power of the Congress to regulate international trade.

Treaties bind nations to enforce the provisions of treaties, and that which we agreed to in the UN allows the use of military force in accordance with the treaties which the Constitution places at the top of the legal pecking order. The Korean War wasn't a war in the Cnstitutional sense although substantial combat was involved.

The naval war between Revolutionary France and the United States never reached the legal status of a war. Neither is a declaration of war required to put down insurrection as in the "Civil" War. Declaration of war againsst the Confederaby was tantamount to recognizing the Confederacy as a nation, something that was anathema to the Lincoln Administration. Only the Emacipation Declaration kept the French and British from going in on the side of the Confederacy.

The use of a SWAT team to take down a hostage taker isn't war even though the tactics and techniques may be the same. Breath, relax, aim, take up the slack and squeeze/

 

UBUWALKER31

7:39 AM ET

March 26, 2011

Treaty obligations passed by Congress allow military action

Congress already authorized the executive branch to go to war if there is a UN resolution. Congress' power "To declare War" can be delegated to the executive branch by treaty. The founders intended our federal government to enter military alliances, including treaties requiring us to go to war for our allies. Treaties are ratified by Congress. There is no check and balance problem. (It is arguable that the war powers resolution is an unconstitutional check on power, in fact, because it is a form of legislative veto).

Remember, self-executing treaties are the supreme law of the land, co-equal to the constitution. By signing the UN Charter, the US is obligated under international law to accept and carry out decisions of the UN Security Counsel. Under international law, a UN Security Counsel resolution authorizing force against another country is a *mandatory* treaty obligation.

So essentially, by joining a treaty organization like the UN (or heck, NATO) the US Congress has authorized the executive branch to come to the aid of treaty members, which includes use of force that would otherwise require a specific authorization by Congress.

 

CORMAGH

8:09 AM ET

March 26, 2011

Beyond the Ribicon

Obama has done nothing beyond what Reagan or Clinton did, but I like your point. I believe that if Obama were not the first black president, his actions would be taken with less controversy.

Our "system" or constitution provides that the president must be able to take any imperialist action necessary for the empire's protection at all times.

 

DONALD SENSING

12:47 PM ET

March 26, 2011

Treaties are subordinate to the Constitution

No treaty is even "co-equal" to the Constitution. Jefferson wrote in the Senate's Legislative Parliamentary Manual that treaties are "legislative acts" of no different character than any other legislation, and that they may therefore be overridden by the Congress at any time just as any other Act may.

Furthermore, the US Supreme Court specifically ruled in Reid v. Covert, "This Court has regularly and uniformly recognized the supremacy of the Constitution over a treaty." - Reid v. Covert, October 1956, 354 U.S. 1, at pg 17.

Key points the the ruling:

1) Treaties do not override the U.S. Constitution.

2) Treaties cannot amend the Constitution in effect.

3) A treaty can be nullified by a statute passed by the U.S. Congress.

Further from the ruling: "No agreement with a foreign nation can confer power on the Congress, or any other branch of government, which is free from the restraints of the Constitution." [my emphasis, to show that the executive is included in the scope of the ruling]

Reid continued to say that if there is a conflict between a Congressional enactment and the terms of a ratified treaty, then "the statute to the extent of conflict, renders the treaty null."

This is not the only SCOTUS ruling relevant, In Geofroy v. Riggs, 133 U.S. 258, the Court held that regarding the treaty power expressed in the Constitution, "It would not be contended that it extends so far as to authorize what the Constitution forbids, or a change in the character of the government, or a change in the character of the States, or a cession of any portion of the territory of the latter without its consent."

As Jefferson pointed out in a letter to Wilson C. Nicholas in 1803, regarding "those who consider the grant of the treaty making power as boundless. If it is, then we have no Constitution."

 

EZRA

2:34 PM ET

March 26, 2011

Security Council

To any who think UN resolutions obligate the US to go to war, especially UBUWALKER31 (to whom, by the way, it's the UN Security *Council,* not the *Counsel,* you homophone-confusing retard): The US has a veto over the Security Council's actions! Hello? How can the US be "obligated" to obey the orders of an organization when we could simply prevent that organization from making those orders?

 

LATAM9891

12:24 PM ET

March 27, 2011

Okay, Ezra let's calm down

Okay, Ezra let's calm down the use of the r-word, shall we?

 

IKEBUCK

8:18 PM ET

March 27, 2011

yer shit

what about W's checks and balances? That's right, he had a unified congress for his pet war.

 

RFJK

8:49 AM ET

March 28, 2011

Democracy?

The USA is a republic as defined by the US Constitution. The US has never been a democracy, isn't today and may likely never be.

 

RFJK

9:09 AM ET

March 28, 2011

Thanks Donald

"...the supreme law of the land" was specifically about binding the states and courts to those federal powers and privileges enumerated in the constitution, treaties being one of them. There's nothing in the 'Supremacy Clause' about amending, superceding or nullifying the US constitution.

 

RFJK

9:30 AM ET

March 28, 2011

IKARUS - Not quite

Caesar's crossing of the Rubicon (49 BC) was not about empire, which Rome had long been since the First Punic War (264-241 BC). It was the first act that lead to the overthrow of the Roman Republic in fact as well as name, as later consummated by his nephew Octavian/Augustus Caesar. America has yet to cross its Rubicon.

 

RFJK

9:45 AM ET

March 28, 2011

GFOWKES - sorry, but your wrong

Resides SPECIFICALLY and EXCLUSIVELY within Article One, Section Eight of the Constitution of the United States.

This prerogative of power is not founded upon any law, legislation or treaty but by a specific, direct and enumerated grant of the PEOPLE that Congress cannot likewise grant, revise or repeal by legislation. Its what's called higher law that can only be repealed or amended by the PEOPLE, not Congress or the President.

Short of amending the constitution any exercise of military force against another country is unconstitutional and thereby illegal without a congressional declaration of war. As it stands, all previous undeclared uses of force going back to the Quasi War of 1798 are usurpation of congressional power.

However, in practice its obviously been violated and precedents set, but none of these uses of unconstitutional power justifies the chief executive in making war. Actually, this is an all together different argument beyond the scope of what is legal or not.

 

QJ25

7:46 PM ET

March 29, 2011

President Obama has been

President Obama has been constantly ridiculed for his ineffectivenss on foreign affairs, and the moment he takes a substantial step to aid another country and preserve world peace, he becomes labeled as a dictator by expanding the executive branch. However, the true purpose of the executive branch is to lead and protect the country from American dissolvement; and as an effective leader he excercises the presidency by not only leading America but also the entire world. If the president did not activate this role by using military intervention, he is not wholly instrumenting his role as president. Yes, President Obama did not get the consent of Congress for a declaration of war. But the bottom line is are we in a war or a conflict with another country? Congress has not declared war since World War 2, so all the previous wars after that were merely violent conflicts initiated by the president and buttressed by congress. Therefore, President Obama has all right to involve America in a conflict in Libya without disrupting America's sacred Checks and Balences.

 

HURRICANEWARNING

8:57 PM ET

March 24, 2011

If you honestly think that

If you honestly think that Obama is more of an imperial president than Bush, I dont know what you've been smoking, but pass it this way. Let's see...Obama has INHERITED two wars, that Bush largely TURNED into imperial adventures. Bush and his neo-con friends not only got elected un-constitutionally, but went to war, without international and popular support, sanctioned torture, lied blatantly to congress and the UN, created rendition, authorized kill squads etc, etc, etc. Now...I agree with some of the above decisions, but PLEASE dont honestly tell me that Obama is suddenly more of an Imperialist. That is out and out partisan BS. Cheney alone was the greatest imperialist we have had in a position of power since McKinley.

 

BIG BOY

6:50 AM ET

March 25, 2011

Agree to an extent

Although I disagree that the author's assertion that Obama is more imperialist than Bush is a bit of a stretch, it should be noted that just because he isn't as "bad" as Bush that means he gets a free pass to do thing only better than Bush (but still bad).

Also, I think that Obama should focus on fixing the United States past wrongs. The two wars, financial crisis, etc happened on Bush's watch but just because Bush is gone, does not mean that all these problems suddenly disappear and the US don't have responsibility to right the wrongs. Naturally, the person and his administration that should take responsibility is Obama.

I agree that Cheney is the mastermind behind the Bush "imperialist" era of bad policy making.

 

NICOLAS19

7:34 AM ET

March 25, 2011

Obama's wars

It is true that Obama inherited the wars, but he had 3 years to disengage. He didn't do that, so don't kid yourself: both three are Obama's wars.

 

CHUCK2251

1:04 PM ET

March 25, 2011

LIBYA

WE SHOULD NOT BE THE WORLD POLICEMAN..FRANCE AND ENGLAND PULLED A GOOD ONE ..WE DO THEIR DIRTY WORK ,THEY GET THE OIL..

THE CRUISE MISSILES WE FIRED THE FIRST DAY 122 AT OVER A MILLION EACH AND ENGLAND FIRED 2..WERE JUST PART OF THE 100,000,000 MILLION DOLLARS A DAY WE ARE SPENDING EACH DAY..

CHUCK2250

 

HURRICANEWARNING

12:45 PM ET

March 26, 2011

"3 years to disengage"

"3 years to disengage"

Classic liberal thought fallacy. You don't think he wants to disengage? You dont just disengage from counterinsurgency without A LOT of mess. If we had disengaged from A-stan in '08, literally millions of Afghans would likely have been slaughtered by a resurgent taliban. You want that? You dont just "disengage". It takes time and strategy, which by the way, he is currently executing about as well as can be hoped. What you are espousing is one of the classic false liberal lines of thought when criticizing Obama from the left.

 

ZATHRAS

11:29 PM ET

March 24, 2011

Conundrum

A problem some of us have is that doubts (in my case, objections) as to the President's actions with respect to Libya vie with the knowledge that Congress does not want to exercise the authority given it by the Constitution, or even by the War Power Act. One can fault Obama, and blame Obama, but in the current environment in Washington what we're criticizing is his failure to give Congress a role Congress could take if it wanted to.

The case of Libya is, as Ackerman correctly says, a clear abuse of Presidential authority, justified by appeals to the legitimacy conferred on American air strikes by the French and British governments and by the Arab League. The abuse is also justified by the alleged urgency of the situation in Libya, which no one denies is a pissant little Arab country and no one contends is a present threat to the United States or its allies. A few timorous peeps by Sen. Lugar, and by the odd Congressman here and there, have been the only response. President Obama felt so secure from challenge to his right to make the United States a party to the Libyan civil war that he traipsed off to South America within hours of the first cruise missile strikes.

This situation isn't just a result of a President, careless of his responsibilities, running amuck. It is rather a graphic illustration of advanced rot at the core of American government, a product not of some flaw in the machinery of the Constitutional system but of moral degeneracy in the people responsible for making that system work. We saw this over and over in the Congress during the Bush administration, which stepped over Constitutional, legal and ethical lines as often as it did in no small measure because Congress was not interested.

It is a sign of how completely the political system has been taken over by the mechanics of campaign politics that Obama -- the object of much violent rhetoric from Republicans in Congress and elsewhere over everything from his alleged socialist tendencies to his religion and even his place of birth -- can walk all over Congress on a matter of war and peace with half the membership not even noticing. The Republican Party's electoral machine has calculated that people will not vote based on Libya, not unless America's part in the war there becomes seriously unpopular with the general public. It has polling to warn of that ever happening, so for now Republicans in Congress have no reason to say anything. Congressional Democrats, meanwhile, are content to be the President's boys as long as the President seems likely to be reelected.

It's as simple, and as insidious, as that. A Congress so easy to distract, so easy even to corrupt, is certain over time to undermine the legitimacy of the whole federal system. Obama's abuse in the matter of Libya should be seen less as a manifestation of an imperial Presidency than as a warning of how far from the path of political virtue Americans have allowed their leaders to stray.

 

ARNOK

3:37 AM ET

March 25, 2011

war?

If Obama had in fact declared war on Libya, Ackerman would be right to denounce him. One could dismiss this as semantics and maintain that whatever Obama says, his actions amount to a declaration of war -- but if Ackerman is going to quote the post-Vietnam resolution that underpins his entire argument, he has a responsibility to quote Obama as well and show where he's contravened said resolution. No one, least of all Obama, is disputing that this is a messy operation with no clear end in sight and plenty of horrendous possible outcomes; but in a way it is Ackerman who betrays imperial leanings by reacting so truculently to America's involvement in a UN-mandated mission. Obama hasn't declared war on anyone. What's happened is the Security Council invoked the Responsibility to Protect, establishing a historic precedent for the international community to intervene when governments begin killing their own people en masse, and which could have saved untold lives had R2P existed in 1994. Gadaffi's threats to go door-to-door and eliminate the "cockroaches" aligned against him were eerily similar to those emanating from Rwanda's presidential palace 16 years ago...only Gaddafi armed his supporters with better weapons than Hutus ever got. This mission may be fraught, but illegal American imperialism it is not.

 

ZATHRAS

10:50 AM ET

March 25, 2011

Yes, war

I do dismiss this as semantics and maintain that whatever Obama says, his actions amount to a declaration of war. The cruise missiles and JDAM's blowing things up in Libya over the last few days are a handy clue. President Obama's unambiguous declaration of his administration's policy -- that Qadhafi has to go -- is another.

Arnok's argument is plainly that the relevant legal authority here is the United Nations, not the American constitution. I deny it. He sees the use of American power as a tool to fulfill humanitarian objectives determined by other governments in consultation with the American President. I see the United Nations as a factor to be reckoned with in American foreign relations, and in some circumstances a useful tool to further the foreign policy goals of the United States. He believes we ought to intervene -- in a "messy" conflict with no obvious end -- to save a minority of the people in a small Arab country from persecution, even if it means treating Constitutional requirements for formal consultation of Congress in matters of peace and war with contempt. I insist on those procedures as a matter of American law and precedent, even if following them meant many Libyans would die.

The fact is that President Obama could well have gotten formal Congressional approval for military action against the universally loathed Qadhafi if he had asked for it. This was too much trouble for him to bother with, and (as I observe upthread) Senators and members of Congress are too negligent of their public responsibilities to insist on being asked. That's the situation. Cloaking it with a lot of mushy sentiment about how the "responsibility to protect" left Obama no choice but to act outside of Constitutional procedures is just comfortable self-deception.

 

ARNOK

12:26 PM ET

March 25, 2011

chapter 7

to ZATHRAS -- whatever one thinks of this "war," the question raised by this particular article is whether Obama broke with the constitution in taking part in a UN mission. That's a fair question it seems neither of us knows the answer to...my understanding is that countries who are party to Chapter VII of the UN have agreed a priori to take part in missions like these, therefore their leaders aren't obliged to run it by their congresses or parliaments beforehand (though eventually, if he needs more money for it, that's exactly what Obama will have to do). Perhaps the US congress never did ratify this commitment to Chapter VII...Ackerman, however, neither asks nor answers that question.
Questions of whether a "pissant" country like Libya is large or strategic or dangerous enough to merit US attention belong to another debate altogether.

 

CHUCK2251

1:11 PM ET

March 25, 2011

LIBYA

GOOD POINTS..

CHUCK2251

 

IKARUS NATION

3:25 PM ET

March 25, 2011

Very well stated Zathras...

I'm concerned that according to the Law of Inertia, an object in motion (Congress) will remain in motion unless acted upon by an unbalanced force. What will generate that force?

 

ZENWICK

11:28 AM ET

March 26, 2011

Absolutely Correct

I believe a few months from now, Ackerman and others of his opinion will be back-pedaling as fast as they can, to explain how they really didn't say what they said.

Until the UN and the Arab League gave the go-ahead, there was nothing to discuss with Congress beyond contingency planning (that WAS discussed). Once the flag went up, going to Congress would have delayed the operation until nothing was left to do but mop up the rivers of blood. The President did the right thing - but having done it, he now should go to Congress and give the second-guessers a chance to put their opposition on record.

 

CORMAGH

1:05 PM ET

March 26, 2011

6 months up yet?

You're clearly forgetting that the President has 6 months in which to file under the resolution section 4c. So he shouldn't come under any criticism for violating Section 4a, under any basis including legal or "constitutional" before that time. Even if he was in violation of the War Powers Act, which he clearly isn't, he would still have 60 days to withdraw from any action pursuant to any envisioned congressional demand (which doesn't include nasty letters from the Speaker). Why don't you guys just learn the Constitution and the laws of this country before you blow off steam against the president and waste our time?

 

ZATHRAS

8:32 PM ET

March 26, 2011

To Arnok's point upthread, I

To Arnok's point upthread, I observe that citing a UN resolution under Chapter VII of the United Nations Charter that the American Executive Branch was involved in drafting as a justification for bypassing formal consultation with Congress is an intellectual evasion more brazen than anything the Bush administration ever attempted.

To be fair, I do not believe the Obama administration itself has advanced this as its legal justification for attacking another country's government without formal consultation of Congress.

 

SAM MILLER

5:36 AM ET

March 25, 2011

What are you saying?

Is this article about the internal legal and political structure of the US, or is it about 'imperialism'?

Your bleating accusation is hard to take seriously if you do not once address questions of moral obligation. Would you not say that the decision to intervene on behalf of revolutionaries is essentially a moral question? Surely, you do feel fortunate to live in such liberty, with such a constitution, such rights?

I cannot help feeling that if you are against helping the democrats of Libya, you need to do better than tortuous legal description and phrases that pander to the paranoid anti-whatever-is-fashionable left. No - you owe a distinctly moral argument to those men and women who drew the line long before knowing who would get behind them; those who have staked everything on a very uncertain outcome.

If you hold that the US (or the west) should do nothing, you, too, need to explain yourself in terms that resonate with deadliness of the subject.

It's no good just resting an argument on the use of a word - imperialism - even if it provokes a justified and violent reaction in reflective members of society. Using such a word is not the end of an argument - it's the beginning. As it is, you have all your arguing still ahead of you.

 

VR

7:42 AM ET

March 25, 2011

the "war power" provisions in

the "war power" provisions in the constitution were crafted when countries engaged in total wars and large amounts of resources were necessary to conduct and wage an effective war. luckily we now live in a world where those means are no longer necessary to conduct modern conflict operations and the definition of "declaring war" has changed. while you may disagree with the decision to conduct operations in Libya, the President is certainly not exceeding his constitutional authority as commander-in-chief.

i would like to point out the obvious slant in your analysis. in two recent examples of presidents launching operations, the W. excursions in Afghanistan and Iraq, and Clinton's Bosnia, you draw radically different conclusions. for Clinton, you say he stretched the congressional approval by suggesting their consent was inherent in their funding of the operations. however, you say W gained the approval of congress through their funding of the operations. your political bias is so heavy handed it makes reading your article difficult.

just an aside, i would like to point out the political trap that W and Clinton put Congress in in 1999 and the supplemental defense authorization bills needed for Iraq and Afghanistan: in both instances, the President launched operations and put troops in harms way (although troops much more in harms way due to W than Clinton, but thats neither here nor there) and then asked congress for money. members of congress could not, at that point, say no to money for supplies and munitions for our troops, for doing so would be political suicide. so while they may have fervently disagreed with the spending of that money, they unfortunately were tied by the necessity to provide our troops with the best material possible, which we luckily can afford.

 

NLIEBENOW

8:16 AM ET

March 25, 2011

UN Charter

Did the Congress not authorize US compliance with Chapter VII resolutions when it ratified the UN Charter?

 

EZRA

2:49 PM ET

March 26, 2011

Vetoes

So you're saying that had China or Russia vetoed the recent UN resolution, we would NOT be obligated to intervene in Libya, or given that they withheld their vetoes and the measure passed, we ARE obligated?

We couldn't possibly disobey the Security Council. No way, if the Security Council says we must intervene in Libya, then I guess we must. No way around it.

Hey, wait a second--don't WE have a veto? Gosh, a shame it's too late now to do anything about it.

 

AMBROSE POWELL HILL

8:33 AM ET

March 25, 2011

Opinions are like #$@*%+!<, everybody's got one.

Fortunately, Bruce, you are an American. I'm guessing that those residing in Lybia may have a slightly different view on recent events. And, fortunately, you can express your views, publicly.

Ain't it neat to be a "writer" in the American media!

 

COZMIKBLINKS

8:44 AM ET

March 25, 2011

So what next for Obama,?

By now we all agree to this article by Bruce that Obama's Libyan war is unconstitutional so what do we do to him for violating our constitution?,IF nothing then let's stop the noise about the unconstitutionality of his war on libya.

 

FLUUFEE

8:59 AM ET

March 25, 2011

declaration of war?

not so much. Stupid lazy article.

 

KHALID RAHIM

9:27 AM ET

March 25, 2011

The Era Of Re-Colonization.

The group of Weasels who brought GWB into the White House and got
the gullible American public to swallow the sweet pill of the war against terrorism. Now has Obama eating feasting with them.If he plays along in
this game, the next term could be his? less the other candidate has more to offer the neocons.

 

JOSHUAMCGEE0325

9:53 AM ET

March 25, 2011

Executive Orders??

I haven't researched this, but if Obama approved these airstrikes through a series of Executive Orders, then isn't he in his constitutional rights to do these airstrikes? Of course, he would have to go to Congress to ask for more money if he ran out of money in the Pentagon budget (that's the 'check and balance' to his Exec. Order powers).

Now, while he might be in his constitutional rights to do this, I do think he should have involved Congress a bit more. But if our military involvement lasts a few more weeks, then Congress will have their say when the President asks them for more funding.

 

PUBLICUS

2:27 PM ET

March 25, 2011

Five times

The last time a president sent a request to the Congress to declare war was on December 11, 1941 - and Congress did vote to declare war against Germany due to the fact that Germany earlier on December 11th had already declared war against the United States. Congress had already declared war December 8, 1941 against Japan. (Germany is the only country against which the United States has declared war twice.)

Five times the president has asked the Congress to declare a state of war; each time the president's request was overwhelmingly approved.

Prior to WWII:

WWI

Spanish-American War of 1898

The Mexican War 1846-1848

The War of 1812 (1812-1814)

The Korean Conflict (1950-1953) and the Vietnam War (1965-1975) were not declared wars; neither were the ongoing US military operations in Iraq or the US military operations in Afghanistan declared wars.

The US Civil War was considered an act of Rebellion. The US Revolutionary War was considered an act of, well, Revolution.

US drone and other leathal attacks in foreign countries against targets identified by the United States as enemies are not declared wars. No declaration of war was made for US military operations in Panama during December 1989 which deposed the dictator Manuel Noreiga.

The limited US participation in the military operation against Qaddafi does not merit a declaration of war. The POTUS ex officio signs off on every military action overt or covert and also ex officio signs off on every covert civilian action. So does the SECDEF specifically and the specifically chairman of the JCS and the specific chief(s) of whichever military service or civilian agancy that may be involved.

The Constitution remains whole, intact, strong.

 

LAURAGRAHAM

12:14 PM ET

March 25, 2011

Truly a disappointment that FP would publish this article.

First of all, there is absolutely nothing “unilateral” about the intervention in Libya. Frankly, it is completely inaccurate to call it unilateral in anyway—there is nothing UNIlateral about intervening with MULTIPLE countries. The United States is involved in a multilateral intervention and is acting under a UN SC resolution, far more than George W. Bush can say for himself.

Second, Congress may have the power to declare war but the US has not declared war AND the president has the power to send our troop anywhere for a limited period of time. George Bush surpassed this time limit and then did not remove our troops, violating the Constitution. Obama has not even come close to the time limit and this is not even an official war, it is a multilateral intervention.

This article is as inaccurate as it is ridiculous. I am disappointed and surprised that FP would even bother publishing it.

 

ERIC INSALACO

2:23 PM ET

March 25, 2011

Foolish.

This article misses the mark entirely. The UN Participation Act of 1945 provides for the President to make American resources available to the UNSC for intervention under Article 42 (which is the explicit justification in UNSC Resolution 1973) and the War Powers Resolution provides for American combat action without declaration of war provided the President informs and consults Congress--which he did--and ends the action within 60 days if he cannot get approval from them (a la joint resolutions) to continue. The Senate also passed a resolution calling for a no-fly zone, signaling Congressional support for American action. He's completely within Constitutional authority, as I note in my own post a greater length: http://novuscivis.blogspot.com/2011/03/intervener-in-chief-libya-and.html

This is far from imperial, as other commenters have noted; the American intervention in this case is notably multilateral, commanding support from the western alliances and Arab League (even if the latter are having it both ways by asking for a no-fly zone and then criticizing the operational realities of having to fire missiles to secure it), and begrudging "get-out-of-the-way" support from the other Great Powers (BRIC in particular) because global public opinion was too far ahead of their opposition. This is hardly an American cowboy adventure or crusade in Africa.

I openly admit to being hostile to continued American involvement in Iraq and Afghanistan, I believe our involvement there is rapidly becoming counterproductive for everyone involved and that trying to take on the mission of nation-building alone was a massive mistake. That's not what this is and by framing the argument thus, Ackerman, you're making an enormous categorical error. You can disagree on the wisdom of the policy but trying to win the argument by declaring the action invalid is unreasonable and unbecoming for this publication. Foreign Policy's readership deserves better argumentation next time.

 

ARNOK

2:43 PM ET

March 25, 2011

"within Constitutional authority"

thanks Eric for doing the homework vis-a-vis the UN Participation Act of 1945 and Article 42...exactly what we needed to know.

 

ZATHRAS

9:20 PM ET

March 26, 2011

You call this homework?

I have pointed out upthread the brazen intellectual dishonesty of a President directing his subordinates to help draft a UN Resolution under Chap. VII, Article 42 of the UN Charter justifying intervention in another country's civil war, and then using that Resolution as a justification for refusing to consult Congress before ordering American intervention.

With respect to the War Powers Act (technically, a Joint Resolution of Congress), the text of Sec. 2(c) is straightforward: "The constitutional powers of the President as Commander-in-Chief to introduce United States Armed Forces into hostilities, or into situations where imminent involvement in hostilities is clearly indicated by the circumstances, are exercised only pursuant to (1) a declaration of war, (2) specific statutory authorization, or (3) a national emergency created by attack upon the United States, its territories or possessions, or its armed forces."

None of these three forms of authorization apply to the intervention in Libya. It's not even close.

Neither the UN Participation Act or the War Powers Resolution give any President carte blanche to commit American forces to combat whenever he feels like it, or whenever some other country asks him to, as long as he sends a letter to Congress and keeps within a 60-day window.

Incidentally, as a matter of law a resolution passed by one house of Congress calling for one aspect of a military action to be taken cannot be considered authorization for a much broader military action a President wants to take weeks later. This is no doubt a minor point for those who think the American President should be subordinate to the authority of the Arab League.

 

ERIC INSALACO

6:14 AM ET

March 27, 2011

Selective Reading

You're making an intellectually dishonest argument by siding with the unconstitutional argument just because you believe the powers afforded to the President are too broad.

"directing his subordinates to help draft a UN Resolution under Chap. VII, Article 42 of the UN Charter justifying intervention in another country's civil war, and then using that Resolution as a justification for refusing to consult Congress before ordering American intervention"

...that's exactly what the letter of the UN Participation Act provides for. If you want the President to be required to "consult" Congress more thoroughly and request direct authorization to act on a UNSC resolution, then lobby for that. As it stands, he's within letter of the law.

War powers of the President "are exercised only pursuant to (1) a declaration of war, (2) specific statutory authorization, or (3) a national emergency created by attack upon the United States, its territories or possessions, or its armed forces. None of these three forms of authorization apply to the intervention in Libya. It's not even close."

Funny that you can once again choose to skirt the UNPA. The Participation Act constitutes specific statutory authorization for committing American armed forces to UNSC interventions under Article 42. Once again, if you don't like the conditions under which that law was put into practice, then lobby to change the law, but the President was exercising his powers as written and no disagreement over that execution can change their legality.

These legal aspects are not a matter of interpretation. War Powers Resolution states the President is justified in beginning hostilities under statutory authorization (in addition to defense from direct attack and declarations of war). UNPA of 1945 states that if the UNSC passes a resolution under Article 42 of the Charter, the President can commit armed forces to enforce that action. The UNSC passed resolution 1973, citing Chapter VII, Article 42 as justification for intervening against the Qaddafi regime to protect civilians from reprisal. The evening prior to this, the President consulted leaders in Congress to consider whether the legislature would be openly hostile to action (evidently he got a positive answer). Upon passage, the President exercised his war powers using specific statutory authorization in the UNPA to commit forces to a UNSC intervention.

Two general objections of interpretation *can* be made:

-The UNPA had ostensibly assumed any undue intervention by the UNSC would be vetoed by another member on the Council, therefore any UNSC resolution calling for intervention that passed would likely be based on a fairly general consensus. Russia and China, the nations most inclined to veto Resolution 1973, did not. Evidence therefore exists that if a President can maneuver diplomatic institutions sufficiently he may seek to bypass more stringent domestic approval. Therefore, I don't oppose revisiting the UNPA to determine whether giving the President a near-blank check on diplomatically-engineered intervention is the wisest policy. But in this case, condemnation of the President is ex post facto, he was still legally obliged to pursue his course of action based on the existing letter of the law.
-Exactly what UNSC Resolution 1973 authorizes is quite unclear in several respects (the chief Russian concern was the lack of operational outlines). Heavy-handed interventionists would argue that the justification of defending civilians authorizes the complete annihilation of Qaddafi's regime to PREVENT any further aggression. Other pro-interventionists truly did believe the resolution only called for attacks on any overt aggression as it was attempted. I agreed with the Russian contention that the resolution was not specific enough, but unfortunately urgency was on the side of ambiguity; having waited so long to act (a contention I outline more thoroughly below), the resolution had to be passed swiftly to prevent a final Qaddafi victory, leaving no room for operational debate.

My disappointment with the Administration is not in their legal handling of this, but the manner of the execution of their legal powers. The Senate at the beginning of the month passes a resolution calling for a no-fly zone (which Zathras correctly clarifies is not a legally binding support, least of all in only one house of Congress). The two weeks the Administration spent racking up the diplomatic capacity to draft a resolution should have also been spent defining parameters and securing support domestically, and of course stating the American national interest in Libya. Obama allowing the internal disagreement in his Administration to last as long as it did prevented this necessary preparation as no one could act without assurance that this was the Administration's stated policy. Without a policy, there is no message and no groundwork to lay. A more prepared and supportive American platform may have provided more urgency to a resolution and gotten it passed sooner than when the rebels were on their last legs, perhaps speeding up the collapse of the Qaddafi regime. Instead, the dithering of the internal debate and subsequent absence of domestic engagement left Obama open to these sorts of attacks on Constitutionality/legality, and still leaves the American people without a clear sense of purpose in Libya, one I believe we would have if any attention were paid to convey it.

Oh, and has no one considered that since this is NOT a declaration of war, if Congress truly felt unwilling to authorize action it could pass joint resolution condemning the action and refusing authorization for it? Lack of legitimate congressional movement on this demonstrates the impotence of the argument, if you ask me.

I'd be more willing to take you seriously, Zathras, if you weren't choosing which parts of the law to read independently of one another and ignoring their codependent justification. That, and the fact that you clearly just seem hellbent on following Arnok around to counter anything he writes, which dilutes your argument from one of scholastic/academic/policy debate to petty internet rivalry. Kudos.

 

ZATHRAS

9:08 PM ET

March 27, 2011

I apologize in advance for

I apologize in advance for bursting any bubbles, but the notion that some pissant blogger might not take me seriously will leave my sleep undisturbed.

The pissant blogger in question is the one asserting that Congress, in 1973, meant that a President in 2011 could cite a law passed in 1945 as specific statutory authorization for intervening in another country's civil war. He is also the one swallowing whole the Obama administration's tendentious argument that the international peace and security referred to in Article 42 of the UN Charter is at stake in a conflict confined to the territory of Libya. Accusations of dishonesty from such a source will not move anybody.

 

THE OVERSIGHT

3:12 PM ET

March 28, 2011

Still no case for unconstitutionality

This still doesn't make the intervention unconstitutional. It may well be a violation of the War Powers Resolution as intended by Congress, but in no way this implies that the intervention is somehow unconstitutional. As I commented below, while the constitution implies that congress can regulate the executive decisions which can bring about a state of war, this is not as far reaching as meaning that any independent military operation requires explicit congressional authorization, as this would excessively (and unconstitutionally) limit the discretion afforded to the "commander in chief". Again, there is no explicit constitutional restriction on the use of military force by the executive, only the implication that congress can enact a legislative framework governing it use. The existence of a specific legislative framework, in this case the participation in the UN, is sufficient for assuring the constitutionality of operations made within its mandate, in this case in pursuance to a UNSC resolution. The War Powers Resolution cannot impose a requirement of explicit congressional authorization, doing so would be unconstitutional as encroaching on the separation of powers, by excessively restricting the discretion of the executive.

 

BCOOP

1:39 PM ET

March 29, 2011

speaking of selective reading

Mr. Insalaco: You are badly misreading Section 6 of the UN Participation Act (here and on your longer blog posting). Below is the full text (from the Avalon Project). You keep saying that the UNPA authorizes the president to commit forces whenever the Security Council invokes article 42 of the UN charter but that is NOT the case. You are ignoring the following clause "and pursuant to such special agreement or agreements the armed forces, facilities, or assistance provided for therein;" That clause refers to military forces from the first sentence that have already been negotiated by the president "with the Security Council which shall be subject to the approval of the Congress by appropriate Act or joint resolution." In other words, Section 6 says that the president may send forces previously approved by Congress (if any) but concludes with the reminder that the president may not send additional forces without approval.

So where are the forces the president and Congress have previously set aside for fulfilling UN requests? Those are the ones that the UNPA authorizes. If there are no such forces, it is still the job of Congress to approve going to war.

SEC. 6. The President is authorized to negotiate a special agreement or agreements with the Security Council which shall be subject to the approval of the Congress by appropriate Act or joint resolution providing for the numbers and types of armed forces, their degree of readiness and general location, and the nature of facilities and assistance, including rights of passage, to be made available to the Security Council on its call for the purpose of maintaining international peace and security in accordance with article 43 of said Charter. The President shall not be deemed to require the authorization of the Congress to make available to the Security Council on its call in order to take action under article 42 of said Charter and pursuant to such special agreement or agreements the armed forces, facilities, or assistance provided for therein: Provided, That nothing herein contained shall be construed as an authorization to tile President by the Congress to make available to the Security Council for such purpose armed forces, facilities, or assistance in addition to the forces, facilities, and assistance provided for in such special agreement or agreements.

 

NICHOLAS WIBBERLEY

10:04 PM ET

March 25, 2011

Semantics

It sounds like Congress needs to redefine the activities that ordinary folk understand as ‘war’.

 

MAMAD2020

1:50 AM ET

March 26, 2011

missguided article

First of all this isn't a war. Implimenting a no fly zone aproved by UN and participated with dozens of other countries is not called a war like Iraq/Afghanistan.
I'm wondering where were you guys when Bush was lying on TV calling Saddam Hussein supporter of terrorism while holding weapons of mass distructions. Back then and during 2001 invasion of Afghanistan which was aproved by parliament you had billions and trillions of dollars to invade another country without aproval of UN, but when it comes to protecting civilian lives you're all opposed to helping unarmed civilians overthrow their blood thirsty dictator? Obama is completely correct and he has done one of the biggest things he could do during his presidency so far.

 

NICHOLAS WIBBERLEY

3:50 AM ET

March 26, 2011

MAMAD2020

It is not only a question of ‘right’ and ‘wrong’. Most people, who after all foot the human and financial bill in the end, would reasonably take the view that deploying military hardware and personnel in an active, as opposed to training, role overseas is what was meant by ‘war’. If you are going to exclude certain activities so that they are not covered by the word, the word needs to be redefined. No word preserves one unalterable meaning forever and to employ a word to embrace various things that are patently not the same is to invite confusion, suspicion and distrust. It is more than likely that those who framed the earlier restrictive requirements would have included stuff like this but the concept simply didn’t exist at the time. As it is, people like the author of this piece, are led to think Obama is trying to pull one.

 

THEBARDOFMURDOCK

6:18 AM ET

March 26, 2011

I Am the Very Model of a Democratic President

With apologies to Gilbert & Sullivan, authors of I Am the Very Model of a Modern Major-General

I am the very model of a Democratic president,
Who stumbled into office on a wave of massive discontent.
I’ve organized communities and burdened our state governments,
With help from union activists and other roguish elements.
I’ve found a way to give you unemployment at plus ten percent,
And rammed through legislation that the population does resent,
With stimulus and bailouts that our politicians should prevent,
Increasing sovereign debt to cover all the cash that I have spent.

I’ve made my mark with policies where spending transcends revenue,
And finding businesses that government can stick its mitts into.
In matters that ensure the currency is on a fast descent,
I am the very model of a Democratic president.

I’m very good at hiding in the White House from the fawning press,
Who might ask questions relative to budget or the HHS;
And lacking teleprompter it is darned hard for me to express,
Coherent ways to show our actions have resulted in success.
The Democratic Congress voters all came out to dispossess,
And left me with a GOP Tea Party out in battle dress.
Which puts me in an awkward situation that I must redress,
By threatening to shutter government to rescue PBS.

I’m at my best when making sure that Congress stifles all debate,
And passes measures in the night that guarantee a small growth rate.
In matters that ensure the very height of social discontent,
I am the very model of a Democratic president.

I’m having major problems working out my foreign policy:
My allies are unable to respect my clever repartee;
My country seems upset I bow to every potentate I see;
My enemies seem not content with my constant apology.
I dither and I hesitate for everything’s a quandary,
Until I get pushed in a corner by my dear friend Hillary,
Who teamed up with a rabid Bonaparte with surname Sarkozy,
And forced me to engage in war with Muammar al-Gaddafi.

By knowing absolutely nothing in relation to defense,
I gather coalitions of unwilling states when wars commence;
In matters that determine where our military men are sent,
I am the very model of a Democratic president.

thebardofmurdock.blogspot.com

 

THE OVERSIGHT

1:47 PM ET

March 26, 2011

Legislative framework is sufficient for constitutionality.

First off, certainly only congress can declare war, which is the political recognition of a state of war, but the executive has ample authority to perform certain actions of its own initiative that can result in a state of war. This includes military operations, ranging from deploying naval forces in strategic areas to enforcing a no-fly zone, and certainly nowhere in the constitution it is written or implied that any military operation requires explicit congressional consent. And as one could imagine, this would be totally unmanageable (for example, what of covert operations ?). What the constitution implies though is that actions, beyond defense, likely to result in a state of war must be executed within the constraints of a legislative framework. Because it would be vain to give congress power to declare a state of war but no power to regulate the governmental decisions that can lead to a state of war.

So, under the Necessary and Proper Clause, congress has the power to legislate in order to regulate the governmental actions that can lead to a state of war. The War Power Resolutions is such an example, but it is not the only statute that matters here, other statutes can provide a legislative framework for intervention, in a way that is not inconsistent.

The present intervention falls within a legislative framework, that is the participation of the US in the UN, duly approved by Congress, in a manner that is consistent with the War Powers Resolution, and therefore the operation is constitutional. Indeed, it is not inconsistent with the WPR, the WPR doesn't prevent the president from introducing forces as long as he consults congress, which he did, and reports to congress within 48h, which he did, other terms apply regarding the length of the intervention but we're not there yet. Drawing other requirements from the text that would tend to prevent the operation would be unconstitutional, as it would be above what is necessary and proper for carrying into execution the powers of congress.

Now, regarding the quote of Obama, it depends on what he meant by 'unilateral'. The present intervention is a multilateral one in the sense that it is mandated by a UNSC resolution and supported by an international coalition, in that sense there's no flip flop at all. It seems that many understand unilateral as an executive action without explicit congressional consent, but even in light of the question which mentioned congress, it's not clear at all that Obama meant it that way, you'd need to ask him.

 

NICHOLAS WIBBERLEY

3:37 PM ET

March 26, 2011

It should have been aired in Congress.

What was agreed by the multinational community was the establishment of a no-fly zone. By the time this got to the UN it had been modified under US pressure to include a vague clause that allows intervention on the ground. The result of this is that NATO will only to take over the no-fly aspect, and this other loosely defined purpose has to remain under US control Now we have two commanders conducting one intervention and if anyone thinks that is going to resolve itself with a quick flick of the fingers, they have another think coming. The almost beautiful irony of all this is that as the Libyan protestors benefit from all this costly external intervention they raise their arms and thank Sarkozy. One would laugh if one wasn’t crying.

 

JEFF

11:40 PM ET

March 26, 2011

The War Powers Resolution is un-Constitutional

The War Powers Resolution is un-Constitutional. This is had been argued ad nauseam.

Besides, Libya bombed Pan American flight 103, making attacks on Libya consistent with the (un-Constitutional) War Powers Resolution.

 

ERIC INSALACO

6:30 AM ET

March 27, 2011

Obama in 2007

...is an idiot. That quote was more a campaign attack than a real argument. I'm not saying the President doesn't have some hypocrisy accusations to stand for, but he would be better off justifying his actions as saying he has a different view of the demands of the office after having experienced them firsthand.

It's easy for anyone, including us here discussing this, to make sweeping critiques of policy when we're not responsible for the outcome of those decisions. If the President had not acted to save Libya's rebels and Qaddafi were burning Benghazi right now, we would be attacking him for not having the stones to save a nascent democratic movement. If Qaddafi had not won but still clung to power while engaging in a brutal civil war, every major massacre and war crime he committed while trying to engage the rebels would be portrayed as the responsibility of a dithering West, particularly the American leader. If by some miracle the rebels had won without intervention, Obama would be attacked for missing a key opportunity to engage (read: influence) the new regime and new Arab relationships between the post-revolutionary governments in Egypt, Tunisia, Libya (and possibly Yemen, Bahrain, Syria, Jordan) or poor relations with them would be blamed on a weak President.

It just so happens we DID intervene and now any resulting policy or mistake or failure will be blamed on the President as well. The enormity of the decision, I'm sure, did not escape Mr. Obama, and he chose the course that as CIC he believed was most responsible to the nation. This is evident in part from the clear knowledge he must have had about the domestic backlash over intervention, and yet he moved forward with his decision because he considered it the right one. I don't think any of us can COMPLETELY comprehend how difficult this process was (and I say this even after describing my own contentions with the Administration's handling of the crisis, above).

Of course, this is habitual of American politics: to us, a leader cannot possibly change his position on an issue when presented with a new, previously undiscussed scenario and the responsibility to make a decision in this new environment.

 

LEGALCRITIC

12:04 PM ET

March 27, 2011

Re: DONALD SENSING - Treaties subordinate to the Constitution

While your comment is not incorrect, it is a misuse of Reid v. Covert. Treaties to which the United States are a party to are not "subordinate" to the Constitution. The plain language of Article VI The Supremacy Clause states:

"This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in Pursuance thereof; and all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of the Land".

The Constitution makes no distinction between which one of the two prevails. You are correct in 2 parts: 1) a treaty cannot be made contrary to any expressed or implied constitutional grant (including all three branches of the Government) and 2) and any subsequent Congressional mandate made after a treaty has been signed that is not in contravention of the Constitution will make that treaty invalid.

Where your argument is flawed is that there has been no Congressional mandate outlawing President Obama's actions. President Obama is acting under his expressed Constitutional powers as Commander in Chief, and his expressed power to control over the foreign relations.

President Obama has not declared war on Libya. This argument might seem like "semantics" and one can argue that firing weapons into Libya are acts of War, but this distinction between "declared war" and an attack is very important because, while it is true that ONLY, Congress does have the power to declare war, the President is the Commander of the Armed forces. He is allowed to use these powers however he sees fit.

In his persuasive concurrence in Youngstown Sheet and Tube Company v. Sawyer, 72 S.Ct. 1075, Justice Robert Jackson delineates the scope of Presidential power. He states there are 3 levels of Presidential power (which Chief Justice Roberts later affirmed but distinguished by saying it was more a sliding scale in a subsequent case, citation ommtted). The three levels are when the President Acts with Congressional approval and his power is strongest; when the President acts without Congress silent on the matter and his power is in the middle; and when the President acts in contravention to Congress' express or implied wishes, and his power is the weakest.

This is a situation which falls under the second power. President is acting in a situation where Congress has been silent. Under his powers as Commander in Chief, the President is allowed to use the Army and Navy how he sees fit. The UN Charter is a treaty to which we are a party to, and do not hold a reservation on the use of American forces for peace operations led by the United Nations. The UN Charter is just as persuasive as the constitution because it is ALSO the supreme law of the land under the Supremacy clause, until Congress has acted in contravention and declares that treaty invalid.

Until no Congressional act invalidates President Obama's actions in Libya, neither the President actions, nor the UN Charter are acting in contradiction to the Constitution.

 

SUGTOW

6:37 PM ET

March 27, 2011

Sad

Wouldnt it be nice if the US would mind its own business and deal with its own problems? US Citizens losing homes and jobs at record pace, unaffordable health care, yet their government spends endless BILLIONS in places it has no business. Pathetic.

privacy-online.it.tc

 

PUBLICUS

4:15 PM ET

March 31, 2011

SOGTOW

What, do you work for or are you affilitated with the Republican National Committee or some rich white conservative soft money group? Your comments are both irrelevant and immaterial to the topic of the thread, and are assinine [sic] besides. Find another thread, one that is purely political cause you're out of place here.

 

JDEAN

6:27 AM ET

March 28, 2011

Legal But Unconstitutional

When Republicans made it legal for Presidents to start wars anytime for any reason, they forgot to stipulate that 'War Presidents' have to be Republicans. That the law doesn't apply to Nobel Peace Prize Winning Democratic Presidents.

Our War Loving Nobel Peace Prize Winning President still needs to start one more eternal war to tie Bush. Two to pass him up.

 

PUBLICUS

2:53 PM ET

March 28, 2011

POLITBUREAU

I take it your username and your comment above are a parody of the CCP-PRC ideologues in Beijing who sit around and create their own ideations and dream world of fantasy and illusions.

But then again I fear you are a for real ideologue. I fear it because ideology is a brain disease and the mindless recitation of propaganda lines is one of its major symptoms.

 

COREY

8:08 AM ET

March 29, 2011

Bringing America closer to the imperial presidency?

Once the "Patriot Act" was signed into law by GW Bush, the Constitution legally became useless. Even President John Adams had someone tossed into jail for speaking badly about him, then Jefferson came along and said that wasnt a good idea. It is ALWAYS when the "right" is in power and in the majority that the most damage is caused, yet in America, it is only when the "left" comes to power, do most Americans realize this, and blame the "left" for all their ills. Americans really are the most uneducated, uninformed about how the US is run and I for one a glad I am closer to my death than the time I was born, knowing that things will just be getting worse. I suggest another civil war and allow those who want to succeed to leave and ask for no help from the gov. even though the "red" states always ask and get more in "pork" than all "blue" states, just ask Bachmann, and Palin to start. If there is no civil war within the USA, I suggest you all get ready for the upcoming attack on the USA that is surely to happen as blow back...reaction if you will, for the USgov's behavior.

 

PUBLICUS

4:20 PM ET

March 31, 2011

Reality

Try to get some friends to try to bring you more back toward some semblance of reality, okay? If I were your friend I'd try to have a chat with you about reality and being in contact with one's environment.

Just a suggestion, but one none the less based in reality.

 

YARBELS

9:50 AM ET

March 29, 2011

What Budget Flee Baggers?

Remember none of this has anything to do with the republicans not doing their jobs! The Dems of evil and their punter should have has this finished a year ago. We all know why the little girls did not do their jobs. Why would Republicans lower themselves to even speak to these Flee Bagger Party members amazes me! I treat all humans with respect. These Flee Baggers are a lesser species and should be treated as such. As always you can contact me at work http://www.michigan-businessreview.com and keep the jokes coming!It looks like Obama has gone more that a little "Gadhafi Duck" on us. Is it Obama's plan to take over for Qaddafi? Finally a job he is qualified for

 

THE BELLWETHER

12:17 PM ET

March 31, 2011

Opposite Argument

Let me know what you think about this article, which makes the case that Obama's actions are completely legitimate: http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/why-obamas-libya-strikes-dont-require-congressional-approval/2011/03/24/AB9nxMQB_story.html

 

SETH EDENBAUM

12:28 PM ET

March 31, 2011

Only Nixon...

Only Nixon could go to China

 

PUBLICUS

4:24 PM ET

March 31, 2011

Nixon shoudda

stayed in China. He had more in common with Mao Zee Dung than with the American people as he finally showed the world during Watergate which was but the culminaton of his equal to Mao career political paranoia and love of lashing out at critics and opponents.

 

SWRUSSEL

9:05 AM ET

April 1, 2011

Checks?

Congress has abandoned it's role since WWII.

The check on the executive, should the voters choose to enforce is or the office be occupied by an honest man or woman, is the near-impossible hoop of a Security Council resolution authorizing a police action.

If I am not mistaken, the issue of a separate congressional authorization to support a Security Council police action was debated when the UN treaty was ratified.

There are many, many problems with our situation in Libya. The threat of "imperial presidency" is not one. Congress has the purse strings and the 24 hour news cycle holds the political cards.

 

GLENANTON

11:58 PM ET

April 17, 2011

President Obama has been

President Obama has been constantly ridiculed for his ineffectivenss on foreign affairs, and the moment he takes a substantial step to aid another country Reiki and preserve world peace, he becomes labeled as a dictator by expanding the executive branch.

 

EVA DRABIK

8:50 PM ET

April 22, 2011

If the President had not

If the President had not acted to save Libya's rebels and Qaddafi were burning Benghazi right now, we would be attacking him for not having the stones to save a nascent democratic movement. If Qaddafi had not won but still clung to power while engaging in a brutal civil war, every major massacre sazky and war crime he committed while trying to engage the rebels would be portrayed as the responsibility of a dithering West, particularly the American leader. If by some miracle the rebels had won without intervention, Obama would be attacked for missing a key opportunity to engage.As I commented below, while the constitution implies that congress can regulate the executive decisions which can bring about a state of war, this is not as far reaching as meaning sazeni that any independent military operation requires explicit congressional authorization, as this would excessively (and unconstitutionally) limit the discretion afforded to the "commander in chief". Again, there is no explicit constitutional restriction on the use of military force by the executive, only the implication that congress can enact a legislative framework governing it use. The existence of a specific legislative framework, in this case the participation in the UN, is sufficient for assuring the constitutionality of operations made within its mandate, in this case in pursuance to a UNSC resolution. The founders intended our federal government to enter military alliances, including treaties requiring us to go to war for our allies. Treaties are ratified by Congress. There is no check and balance problem. (It is arguable that the war powers resolution is an unconstitutional check on power, in fact, because it is a form of legislative veto).Remember, self-executing treaties are the supreme law of the land, co-equal to the constitution. By signing the UN Charter, the US is obligated under international law to accept and carry out decisions of the UN Security Counsel. Under international law, a UN Security Counsel resolution authorizing force against another country is a *mandatory* treaty obligation.

 

JANCY

12:54 PM ET

April 23, 2011

War always give pain to individuals

The war always gives paid to individuals. I do not like this war, even if there are justifications to proove it. Basically it starts with money everywhere.
Jancy :)