The Qaddafi I Know

The Libyan leader was no saint. But the West was wrong to intervene in African affairs.

BY YOWERI MUSEVENI | MARCH 24, 2011

By the time Col. Muammar al-Qaddafi came to power in 1969, I was a third-year university student at Dar-es-Salaam in Tanzania. We welcomed his rise because he was a leader in the tradition of Col. Gamal Abdul Nasser of Egypt who had a nationalist and pan-Arabist position.

Soon, however, problems cropped up with Qaddafi as far as Uganda and black Africa were concerned:

Backing Idi Amin: Idi Amin came to power in 1971 with the support of Britain and Israel because they thought he was uneducated enough to be used by them. Amin, however, turned against his sponsors when they refused to sell him guns to fight Tanzania. Unfortunately, Qaddafi, without first getting enough information about Uganda, jumped in to support Idi Amin. He did this because Amin was a "Muslim" and Uganda was a "Muslim country," where Muslims were being "oppressed" by Christians. Amin killed a lot of people extrajudicially, and Qaddafi was identified with these mistakes.

In 1972 and 1979, Qaddafi sent Libyan troops to defend Amin when we [the Uganda National Liberation Front] attacked him. I remember a Libyan Tupolev Tu-22 bomber trying to bomb us in Mbarara in 1979. The bomb ended up in Nyarubanga, Burundi, because the pilots were scared. They could not come close to bombing their intended target properly. We had already shot-down many of Amin's MIGs using surface-to-air missiles. Our Tanzanian brothers and sisters were doing much of this fighting. Many Libyan militias were captured and repatriated to Libya by Tanzania. This was a big mistake by Qaddafi and a direct aggression against the people of Uganda and East Africa.

Pushing for a United States of Africa: The second big mistake by Qaddafi was his position vis-à-vis the African Union (AU), where he called for a continental government "now." Since 1999, he has been pushing this position. Black people are always polite. They, normally, do not want to offend other people. This is called obufura in the Runyankore language, or mwolo in Luo -- handling, especially strangers, with care and respect. It seems some of the non-African cultures do not have obufura. You can witness a person talking to a mature person as if he or she is talking to a kindergarten child. "You should do this; you should do that; etc." We tried to politely point out to Qaddafi that continental governance was difficult in the short and medium term. We should, instead, aim at the Economic Community of Africa and, where possible, also aim at Regional Federations.

But Qaddafi would not relent. He would not respect the rules of the AU. Topics or discussions that had been covered by previous meetings would be resurrected by Qaddafi. He would "overrule" a decision taken by all other African heads of state. Some of us were forced to come out and oppose his wrong position and, working with others, we repeatedly defeated his illogical position.

Proclaiming himself king of kings: The third mistake has been the tendency by Qaddafi to interfere in the internal affairs of many African countries, using the little money Libya has compared to those countries. One blatant example was his involvement with cultural leaders of black Africa -- kings, chiefs, etc. Since the political leaders of Africa had refused to back his project of an African government, Qaddafi, incredibly, thought that he could bypass them and work with these kings to implement his wishes. I warned Qaddafi in Addis Ababa that action would be taken against any Ugandan king who involved himself in politics, because it was against our Constitution. I moved a motion in Addis Ababa to expunge from the records of the AU all references to kings (cultural leaders) who had made speeches in our forum, because they had been invited there illegally by Colonel Qaddafi.

Ignoring the plight of Southern Sudan: The fourth big mistake was made by most of the Arab leaders, including Qaddafi to some extent. This was in connection with the long suffering people of southern Sudan. Many of the Arab leaders either supported or ignored the suffering of the black people in that country. This unfairness always created tension and friction between us and the Arabs. However, I must salute Qaddafi and President Hosni Mubarak for travelling to Khartoum just before the referendum in Sudan, during which time they advised President Omar al-Bashir to respect the results of that exercise.

Terrorism: Sometimes Qaddafi and other Middle Eastern radicals do not distance themselves sufficiently from terrorism, even when they are fighting for a just cause. Terrorism is the use of indiscriminate violence -- not distinguishing between military and nonmilitary targets. The Middle Eastern radicals, quite different from the revolutionaries of black Africa, seem to say that any means is acceptable as long as you are fighting the enemy. That is why they hijack planes, use assassinations, plant bombs in bars, etc. Why bomb bars? People who go to bars are normally merrymakers, not politically minded people.

We were together with the Arabs in the anticolonial struggle. The black African liberation movements, however, developed differently from the Arab ones. Where we used arms, we fought soldiers or sabotaged infrastructure but never targeted noncombatants. These indiscriminate methods tend to isolate the struggles of the Middle East and the Arab world. It would be good if the radicals in these areas could streamline their work methods in this area of using violence indiscriminately.

These are some of the negative points in connection to Qaddafi as far as Uganda's patriots have been concerned over the years. Each of these positions taken by Qaddafi have been unfortunate and unnecessary.

Nevertheless, Qaddafi has also had many positive points, objectively speaking. These positive points have been for the good of Africa, Libya, and the Third World.

I will deal with them point by point:

Qaddafi is a nationalist: Qaddafi has conducted an independent foreign policy and, of course, also independent internal policies. I am not able to understand the position of Western countries, which appear to resent independent-minded leaders and seem to prefer puppets. Puppets are not good for any country. Most of the countries that have transitioned from Third World to First World status since 1945 have had independent-minded leaders: South Korea (Park Chung-hee), Singapore (Lee Kuan Yew), China People's Republic (Mao Tse Tung, Chou Enlai, Deng Xiaoping, Marshal Yang Shangkun, Li Peng, Jiang Zemin, Hu Jintao), Malaysia (Dr. Mahthir Mohamad), Brazil (Luis Inacio Lula da Silva), Iran (the Ayatollahs Khomeini and Khamenei), etc. Between World War I and World War II, the Soviet Union transitioned into an industrial country, propelled by the dictatorial but independent-minded Joseph Stalin. In Africa, we have also benefited from a number of independent-minded leaders: Colonel Nasser of Egypt, Mwalimu Nyerere of Tanzania, Samora Machel of Mozambique, and others. That is how southern Africa was liberated. That is how we got rid of Idi Amin. The stopping of genocide in Rwanda and the overthrow of Mobutu Sese-Seko in the Democratic Republic of the Congo were as a result of efforts of independent-minded African leaders.

Qaddafi, whatever his faults, is a true nationalist. I prefer nationalists to puppets of foreign interests. Where have the puppets caused the transformation of countries? I need some assistance with information on this from those who are familiar with puppetry.

By contrast, the independent-minded Qaddafi had some positive contributions to Libya, I believe, as well as Africa and the Third World. Take just one example: At the time we were fighting the criminal dictatorships here in Uganda, we had a problem arising of a complication caused by our failure to capture enough guns at Kabamba on Feb. 6, 1981. Qaddafi gave us a small consignment of 96 rifles, 100 anti-tank mines, etc., that was very useful. He did not consult Washington or Moscow before he did this. This was good for Libya, for Africa, and for the Middle East. We should also remember as part of that independent-mindedness the fact that he expelled British and American military bases from Libya.

He raised the price of oil: Before Qaddafi came to power in 1969, a barrel of oil was 40 American cents. He launched a campaign to withhold Arab oil unless the West paid more for it. I think the price went up to $20 per barrel. When the Arab-Israel war of 1973 broke out, the barrel of oil went up to $40. I am, therefore, surprised to hear that many oil producers in the world, including the Gulf countries, do not appreciate the historical role played by Qaddafi on this issue. The huge wealth many of these oil producers are enjoying was, at least in part, due to Qaddafi's efforts. The Western countries have continued to develop in spite of paying more for oil. It therefore means that the pre-Qaddafi oil situation was characterized by super exploitation of oil producing countries by the Western countries.

Qaddafi built Libya: I have never taken the time to investigate socio-economic conditions within Libya. When I was last there, I could see good roads, even from the air. From the TV pictures, you can even see the rebels zooming up and down in pick-up trucks on very good roads accompanied by Western journalists. Who built these good roads? Who built the oil refineries in Brega and those other places where the fighting has been taking place recently? Were these facilities built during the time of the king and his American and British allies, or were they built by Qaddafi?

In Tunisia and Egypt, some youths immolated themselves because they failed to get jobs. Are the Libyans without jobs also? If so, why are there hundreds of thousands of foreign workers? Is Libya's policy of providing so many jobs to Third World workers bad? Are all the children going to school in Libya? Was that the case in the past -- before Qaddafi? Is the conflict in Libya economic or purely political? Possibly Libya could have transitioned more if they encouraged the private sector further. However, this is something the Libyans are better placed to judge. As it is, Libya is a middle income country with a GDP of $62 billion.

He's a moderate: Qaddafi is one of the few secular leaders in the Arab world. He does not believe in Islamic fundamentalism, which is why Libyan women have been able to go to school, to join the army, and so forth. This is a positive point on Qaddafi's side.

Coming to the present crisis, therefore, I need to point out some issues:

First, we must distinguish between demonstrations and insurrections. Peaceful demonstrations should not be fired upon with live bullets. Of course, even peaceful demonstrations should coordinate with the police to ensure that they do not interfere with the rights of other citizens. However, when rioters are attacking police stations and army barracks with the aim of taking power, then they are no longer demonstrators; they are insurrectionists. They will have to be treated as such. A responsible government would have to use reasonable force to neutralize them. Of course, the ideal responsible government should also be one that is elected by the people at periodic intervals. If there is a doubt about the legitimacy of a government, and the people decide to launch an insurrection, that should be the decision of the internal forces. It should not be for external forces to arrogate themselves that role; often, they do not have enough knowledge to decide rightly.

Excessive external involvement always brings terrible distortions. Why should external forces involve themselves? That is a vote of no confidence in the people themselves. A legitimate internal insurrection, if that is the strategy chosen by the leaders of that effort, can succeed. The Shah of Iran was defeated by an internal insurrection; the Russian Revolution in 1917 was an internal insurrection; the Revolution in Zanzibar in 1964 was an internal insurrection; the changes in Ukraine, Georgia, and so forth -- all were internal insurrections. It should be for the leaders of the resistance in a given country to decide their strategy, not for foreigners to sponsor insurrection groups in sovereign countries.

I am totally allergic to foreign, political, and military involvement in sovereign countries, especially the African countries. If foreign intervention is good, then, African countries should be the most prosperous countries in the world, because we have had the greatest dosages of that: the slave trade, colonialism, neo-colonialism, imperialism, etc. But all those foreign-imposed phenomena have been disastrous. It is only recently that Africa is beginning to come up, partly because we are rejecting external meddling. External meddling and the acquiescence by Africans into that meddling have been responsible for the stagnation on our continent. The wrong definition of priorities in many African countries is, in many cases, imposed by external groups. Failure to prioritize infrastructure, for instance, especially energy, is, in part, due to some of these pressures. Instead, consumption is promoted. I have witnessed this wrong definition of priorities even here in Uganda. External interests linked up, for instance, with bogus internal groups to oppose energy projects for false reasons. How will an economy develop without energy? Quislings and their external backers do not care about all this.

Second, if you promote foreign backed insurrections in small countries like Libya, what will you do with the big ones like China, a country with a system different from the Western system? Are you going to impose a no-fly zone over China in case of some internal insurrections, as happened in Tiananmen Square, in Tibet, or in Urumqi?

Third, Western countries always use double standards. In Libya, they are very eager to impose a no-fly zone. In Bahrain and other areas where there are pro-Western regimes, they turn a blind eye to the very same or even worse conditions. We have been appealing to the United Nations to impose a no-fly zone over Somalia -- so as to impede the free movement of terrorists linked to al Qaeda, which killed Americans on September 11th, killed Ugandans last July, and have caused so much damage to the Somalis -- without success. Why? Are there no human beings in Somalia, as there are in Benghazi? Or is it because Somalia does not have oil that is not fully controlled by the Western oil companies, as in Libya on account of Qaddafi's nationalist posture?

Fourth, the Western countries are always very prompt in commenting on every problem in the Third World -- Egypt, Tunisia, Libya, etc. Yet, some of these very countries were the ones impeding growth in those countries. There was a military coup d'état that slowly became a revolution in backward Egypt in 1952. The new leader, Nasser, had ambitions to oversee the transformation of Egypt. He wanted to build a dam not only to generate electricity but also to help with the ancient irrigation system of Egypt. He was denied money by the West because they did not believe that Egyptians needed electricity. Nasser decided to raise that money by nationalizing the Suez Canal. He was attacked by Israel, France, and Britain. To be fair to the United States, President Eisenhower opposed that aggression that time. Of course, there was also the firm stance of the Soviet Union at that time. How much electricity was this dam supposed to produce? Just 2000 megawatts -- for a country like Egypt!! What moral right, then, do such people have to comment on the affairs of these countries?

Fifth, the by-now-entrenched habit of the Western countries over-using their technological superiority to impose war on less developed societies, without impeachable logic, will ignite an arms race in the world. The actions of the Western countries in Iraq and now Libya are emphasizing that might is "right." I am quite sure that many countries that are able to will scale up their military research, and in a few decades, we may have a more armed world. Weapons science is not magic. A small country like Israel is now a superpower in terms of military technology. Yet 60 years ago, Israel had to buy second-hand Fouga Magister planes from France. There are many countries that can become small Israels if this trend of Western countries overusing military means continues.

Sixth, all this notwithstanding, Col. Qaddafi should be ready to sit down with the opposition, under the mediation of the AU, with the opposition cluster of groups which now includes individuals well known to us. I know Qaddafi has his system of elected committees that convene to form a National People's Conference. Actually, Qaddafi thinks this is superior to our multi-party systems. Of course, I have never had time to study how truly competitive this system is. Anyway, even if it is competitive, there is now, apparently, a significant number of Libyans who think that there is a problem in their country's governance. Since there has not been internationally observed elections in Libya, not even by the AU, we cannot know what is correct and what is false. Therefore, a dialogue is the correct way forward.

Seventh, the AU mission was unable to enter Libya because the Western countries started bombing the day before they were supposed to arrive. However, the mission will continue. My opinion is that, in addition to what the AU mission is doing, it may be important to call an extraordinary summit of the AU in Addis Ababa to discuss this grave situation.

Eighth, regarding the Libyan opposition, I would feel embarrassed to be backed by Western war planes. Quislings of foreign interests have never helped Africa. We have had a copious supply of them in the last 50 years -- Mobutu Sese-Seko, Houphouet Boigny, Kamuzu Banda, etc. The West has made a lot of mistakes in Africa and in the Middle East in the past. Apart from the slave trade and colonialism, they participated in the killing of Patrice Lumumba, until recently the only elected leader of the Democratic Republic of the Congo, the poisoning of Cameroonian political leader Felix Moummie, and the assassination of Prime Minister Bartholomew Boganda of the Central African Republic. The West supported UNITA in Angola, Idi Amin -- at the beginning of his regime -- in Uganda, and the counter-revolutionaries in Iran in 1953. Recently, there has been some improvement in the arrogant attitudes of some of these Western countries. Certainly, with black Africa and, particularly, Uganda, the relations are good following the fair stand the West has taken on the fate of the black people of southern Sudan. With the democratization of South Africa and the freedom of the black people in southern Sudan, the difference between the patriots of Uganda and the Western governments had disappeared. Unfortunately, these rash actions on Libya are beginning to raise new problems. They should be resolved quickly.

Ninth, if the Libyan opposition groups are patriots, they should fight their war by themselves and conduct their affairs by themselves. After all, they easily captured so much equipment from the Libyan Army, why do they need foreign military support? I only had 27 rifles. To be puppets is not good.

Tenth, as to the international community, the African members of the Security Council voted for this resolution on Libya. This was contrary to what the Africa Peace and Security Council had decided in Addis Ababa recently. This is something that only the extraordinary AU summit can resolve. It was good that certain big countries in the Security Council -- Russia, China, Brazil, and India -- abstained on this resolution. This shows that there are balanced forces in the world that will, with more consultations, evolve more correct positions.

Eleventh, and finally, being members of the United Nations, we are bound by the resolution that was passed, however rushed the process. Nevertheless, there is a mechanism for review. The Western countries, which are most active in these rushed actions, should consider that route. It may be one way of extricating all of us from possible nasty complications. What if the Libyans loyal to Qaddafi decide to fight on? Using tanks and planes that are easily targeted by French President Nicolas Sarkozy's planes is not the only way of fighting. Who will be responsible for such a protracted war? It is high time we did more careful thinking.

MAHMUD TURKIA/AFP/Getty Images

 

Yoweri Museveni is president of Uganda.

IRAZ

8:28 PM ET

March 24, 2011

Qaddafi

i think , sir, you are mistaking the word 'mistake'....Qaddafi and Amin commited CRIMES.

 

JEAN KAPENDA

11:07 PM ET

March 24, 2011

Fed Up with Africa's Mad Dog and Mad Basenjis in Sub-Sahara!

The Great Communicator once called him the "Madman of the Middle", and I'm sure if he were here he would refer to Sub-Saharan African dictators and dictocrats (those African dictators "democratically" and fraudulently elected) as the "the Mad Basenjis of Africa". Where are you Reagan? We miss you!

 

JEAN KAPENDA

11:09 PM ET

March 24, 2011

Fed Up with Africa's Mad Dog and Mad Basenjis in Sub-Sahara!

I meant, "The Mad Dog of the Middle East"

 

JEAN KAPENDA

9:42 AM ET

March 25, 2011

When the Mad Basenjis Fought in Kisangani, D.R. Congo

How can a "head of state" write such a stupid article? The internet is filled with millions of articles on how some of Africa's mad Basenjis fought each other like dogs in the Congo to steal its mineral resources. Below is just a tiny portion of the documentation available. No doubt about it: African dictators suffer from amnesia as their memory fades quickly!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/794496.stm
http://www.un.org/News/Press/docs/2000/20000616.sc6877.doc.html
http://www.amnesty.org/es/library/asset/AFR62/015/2000/es/aac0bf98-3c08-4276-96b6-9488017fe481/afr620152000en.pdf
http://www.nytimes.com/1999/08/16/world/rwanda-and-uganda-battling-to-control-key-city-in-congo.html

 

SHAFI

7:12 AM ET

March 27, 2011

any proof

i humbly request from you if there are any proof that you have to back your statement that Idi Amin commit crimes.....pls for knowledge and Information sake.
thank you

 

FORGODSSAKES

9:31 AM ET

March 27, 2011

Keeping Your Seat Warm...

Mr Museveni, what do you think of someone like Fidel, Gaddafi or Mubarak who plunks himself down in one place, declares himself the fittest person to run the country, and just sits there for 30-40-50 years?

Oh, that's right. You're doing that yourself.

But have a look around. As you can see, people are getting tired of leaders like you.

Go ahead and take potshots at that interfering old West. We do have mechanisms for sharing power and for orderly transfers of power. Nobody in the US has been sitting on a country for 40 years, refusing to budge.

 

BARNEY23

8:07 AM ET

March 28, 2011

Don't ask that silly question

Don't ask that silly question on Kampala's streets; someone who knows someone who was killed by Amin might rough you up.

 

SILVERMORNING

3:37 PM ET

April 6, 2011

Any History book will tell

Any History book will tell you all you need to know.....oh wait you could also use Google and look it up yourself. Sorry, but unless you have been living in a cave for the last 20 years, that is not a Question to be asked.

 

VICENTEP

11:03 PM ET

March 24, 2011

Yes an No

Well, CIA murdered Nasser, and many other political leaders around the world that were causing trouble to the establishment, FACT.

UN is a round up for countries trying to buy favors with the powerful states, accepting and concurring with they demand and objectives. FACT

This War is wrong, FACT.

Its a political maneuver to try to recover some ground in Middle East and show other political and ideological aspirants the power of west, OTAN. FACT

I like the bipolar world best! Less inequity!!!

 

JBROCKLE

4:28 AM ET

March 25, 2011

Sure

Those look like pretty indisputable facts to me!

 

VICENTEP

8:21 AM ET

March 25, 2011

hahaha

its rhetorical man!

 

JEAN KAPENDA

11:49 PM ET

March 24, 2011

Ending March Madness with the Mad Dog and Mad Basenjis of Africa

The world is just fed up with tyranny, with dictators shedding their skins into dictocrats under the camouflage of democracy. March Madness is when US colleges try to attract the best of the best, and some brilliant African students end up in prestigious US universities and colleges, with a dream to go home some day and help rebuild their countries. However, the Mad Dog of the Middle East is still there, and the Mad Basenjis of Black Africa are still there addicted with power they do not want to relinquish. Isn't there anything else Africa's Mad Dogs and Mad Basenjis can do in this life? There are tons of options out there: become a farmer, go to school, earn a degree, etc. Yes, power is highly addictive, much more addictive than other drugs! And the longer African tyrants are on high, the worse their people are!

 

SHEPSIL

3:35 AM ET

March 25, 2011

Libya's playing field had to be levelled, vis a vis weapons.

I agree with those who suggest Libyans should be the ones fighting for their own country, not foreigners, and the only way for the Libyan Freedom Fighters to have a chance at survival was to take away those weapons originally supplied by foreigners for Libyan funds, which belonged to all Libyans.

 

ARYABHAT

5:21 AM ET

March 25, 2011

Excellent

Superb article!

I wish there were more world leaders who could honestly say the same!

West destroyed secular leaders like Saddam and Gaddafi and then cry about Islamic fundamentalism! If they really want to tackle Islamic fundamentalism then they need to change their "friends" like Saudi King!

 

DOM WYNN

7:46 AM ET

March 25, 2011

Utterly Depressing article.

From a serving president no less..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yoweri_Museveni#Political_pluralism_and_constitutional_change

First, there are no regular elections in Libya. And as a result no means for the 'insurrectionists' to articulate disapproval apart from by protest. The protests in Bengazi turned into civil war once *Gahdaffi* fired on his people with live ammo. This is all available to see on Youtube. Google "Yellow Helmets, Libya". And you are quite wrong, it is absolutely in the remit of the UN to mandate on this.
Your allergy to 'foreign' intervention in sovereign countries 'especially African' ones holds as long as those sovereign countries treat their citizens in accordance to the terms of the United Nations Charter. If you have a problem with that perhaps you ought to consider what *are* the conditions in which sovereignty can be suspended? Your allergy speaks of double standards indeed.

Second, I love this argument. It always comes back to 'why not China?'. Perhaps one day there will hopefully be an uprising of the populace against the Chinese govt. I look forward to it. In the meantime this argument is essentially 'oh ok there is a terrible situation here, but hell you didn't do anything about the other terrible situations' as this stance almost immediately invalidates the other 9 points you are making. You agree that something horrific was happening, but argue we ought to stick our heads in the sand *because that is what happens with larger countries doing the same*. What a terribly cynical stance.

Third, the US did attempt to impose some kind of outside influence in Sommalia. You may recall what happened there. And as far as Bahrain is concerned *again* there is no internal revolt. There is however a government and a protest movement engaged in a fight over the will of the populace v government. If the Bahraini govt ends up fire anti aircraft guns at the protesters, then I might suggest the west *would* intervene. And if we did I'm sure you would be on the wrong side: the side of the oppressor.

Fourth, Suez was 55 years ago. In the meantime we have had Sadat and Hussein, both cadre's of Nasser. As is Gadhaffi. Following the rout from Suez the west has studiously *not* intefered directly. We are only intervening now because he began slaughtering his own people. Your double standards on this are astounding. African/Arab brutality good. Western intervention bad. It is a profoundly undemocratic message which I can only see justified by inverted racism, and an appalling world view which sees individual human liberty in Africa requiring to be subborned beneath a requirement for 'cultural liberty' from the white man. Which is EXACTLY the wrong way to look down the telescope.

Fifth - Let me get this straight - the use of heavy artillery by Gahdaffi on his people is acceptable technological superiority, however the use of Western technological superiority isn't... the theme continues.

Sixth - a debate where the starting point is 'we need a review of the existing systems by the AU to determine their wrongs and rights' is going in the wrong direction. There is already plenty of evidence provided by international bodies that the existing libyan system is wrong. That has nothing to do with a decision by the leader of a country to start killing his own people.

Seventh, the reason why the coalition ordered planes in before the AU arrived was because Qadaffi was intending the fight to be *over* before the AU arrived.

Eighth 'embarrassment' at seeing western planes flying over bengazi would be I would imagine be the last emotion the rebels are feeling. Again your contextualisation of this crisis in terms of anti colonialism sacrafices hundreds of thousands of lives on the altar of your flag of convenience. An utterly morally bankrupt world view.

Ninth, I'll tell you what, I'll commandeer a Typhoon next week and see if I can fly it... oh noes... I'm not a pilot. Jeez. These are doctors, lawyers, dentists, hairdressers and the unemployed decked with some kalashnikovs... up against T-72 Russian tanks. Puppet? Schmuppet.

Tenth, yes indeed the African members did vote that this. To their credit. While you advocate 'consultation' as the way forward Gadhaffi intended to 'wipe the scum' from Bengazi and while your discussions would have continued, he would have been laughing.

Eleventh - ironically the only point we agree. This situation requires and deserves ongoing review.

The repetative use of Quisling to describe Libyan rebels in this article bothered me until I put my finger on it. A quisling as defined by Churchill was someone who colloborates with an invading force. I wonder *who* actually is a quisling here? The rebels fighting for their right to a free life, or the AU observers who summon anti colonial arguments to perpetuate the rule of a dictator whose deposition would undermine any number of sub saharan despots?

 

SREEKANTH

11:27 AM ET

March 25, 2011

Let me stipulate upfront that

Let me stipulate upfront that Qaddafi is indeed a mad dog, and I'd have no regrets if one of those missiles "accidentally" found him. But that said, I sympathize with Museveni's seeing everything in black and white. I think he should get over it, because many of the incidents are many years or decades old, but it happened to him and his people, so the scars are still fresh. And you have to admit he was candid about Qadaffi's many faults, including supporting world-wide terrorism, etc.

 

MARKGU

7:02 PM ET

March 25, 2011

Thanks

Utterly depressing indeed.

The more comment I've read about the Libyan issue over the last few weeks the more I've become angry and frustrated with the facile critics of intervention.

Going forward, issues there are, but for me no intervention would of been like walking past someone being mugged on the street crying for help.

I think I understand these commentators now. They just don't care.

There's no place for me in high office.

 

MUKOTANI

6:19 PM ET

March 27, 2011

excellent reply

u have done well. on balance though he has a point. foreign intervention distorts the local conditions. he for example says he knows some of the rebels but warns of the dangers of intervention and the hypocritical nature of it. on somalia he is saying they want a no fly zone now enforced by the AU..all they need from west is voting on that. why libya and not somalia? but he does say the west took the right stand eventually in south africa and sudan. the real danger of intervention is when he argues "What if the Libyans loyal to Qaddafi decide to fight on? Using tanks and planes that are easily targeted by French President Nicolas Sarkozy's planes is not the only way of fighting. Who will be responsible for such a protracted war?"...who will be?

 

LIOTIER

7:49 AM ET

March 25, 2011

Hypocrite !

"I am totally allergic to foreign, political, and military involvement in sovereign countries, especially the African countries"... What a joke... Doesn't this big hypocrite remember meddling in Congo ? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Congo_War

 

DOM WYNN

8:11 AM ET

March 25, 2011

Indeed

However he is consistent in that he supports Africans meddling in each other's affairs. He however is dead set against non Africans meddling. It's a form of terrible African exceptionalism which sees the bigger fight being against the ghosts of imperialism.

 

AGRICOLA

10:17 AM ET

March 25, 2011

Uganda supports Arab Jihad

I like how when discussing how Qaddafi and Arabs in general need to not target "non combatants" when they fight the west he is still supporting the use of violence, in the name of Islam, by only mentioned the non combatant part.

What a piece of self-pity this article was.

Funny how much Western colonialism, which put in place modern infrastructure still used in those countires (ex: irrigation in Sudan, railraods, etc etc), get blamed for things unrelated to colonialism, and the Arabs, who colonized North/central Africa (and exported 2x as many black slaves as the West) get only a shoulder to cry on.

 

JOMNEMONIC

11:33 AM ET

March 25, 2011

[3/24/2011 10:39:47 AM]

[3/24/2011 10:39:47 AM] miloradovich1: Look, truth of the matter is folks, if we wish to live our comfortable lives, with all the mod cons, luxuries, bloated stomachs, damaged livers, smoke filled lungs, giant TV's to watch X factor and footie on, fly to Spain for 99p, fill the kids rooms full of gadgets, etc... it's no good donning the Jesus boots and pretending to be a right on funky person who believes in rights and equalities for all, without accepting your condition is enabled by your, YES YOUR, successive governments and leaders exporting death and destruction round the world.
They will weal and deal in the most underhand, hypocritical, holier than thou ways, in order to give you want you want, whilst maintaining the power structure.
Put up or shut up !
Let those who know better get on with it.
It's the way of the world.

Or what then ?
Style of thing

 

AWABNAVI

11:34 AM ET

March 25, 2011

OIL! OIL! OIL!

Why doesn't anybody talk about the connection of OIL to this conflict and the Iraqi one? These IMPERIALISTS avoid the word OIL like it was the PLAGUE.

 

DOM WYNN

12:05 PM ET

March 25, 2011

Old Saws

If that were the case then the UN mandate would have been framed differently. While the east of Libya may indeed have the oil wells, the processing plant and refineries are in the Government controlled west.

 

PDERING

12:37 PM ET

March 27, 2011

Hence the West's bloody

Hence the West's bloody intervention in the Sudan.

 

ASAD KHAN

2:00 PM ET

March 25, 2011

Ugandans at heart

The presidet has given an indepth account of the developments-slave trade,colonialism,imperialism,the col war era.Everyone has a right to differ with the Uganda president notwithstanding his erudition as expressed in the article.one can not deny the fact that whenever the west led ofcourse by the united states feels its interest threatend anywhere in the world it throws its ideals of democracy and human rights to the four walls.was not the iran kings sawak playing havoc with its own people.Did not pakistans zia ul haq topple a popularle elected government and got the prime ministered implicating him in a false case of murder yet he had the US patronage during eleven long years of his dictatorship.He is right when he saysthe foreign powers cannot judge rightly about the internal situation of country a view endorsed by the Russian presiden explaing Russias not voting the UN resolution about no-fly zone.

 

THE GLOBALIZER

5:40 PM ET

March 25, 2011

While...

While I agree with your underlying points and believe the US is due some strong criticism over its late-20th century foreign policy, I think you dramatically overstate the case against the West. Politics is not an all-or-nothing enterprise, and countries that do business with the US need to understand that they have a responsibility to avoid putting their nation in a position of reliance upon the US. A little realpolitik goes a long way, especially with the US.

 

ASAD KHAN

8:40 AM ET

March 26, 2011

league of Nations

Pakistans poet philosopher Iqbal had said in his lines it would have been better if head quarter of the world body had been tehran instead of Geneva.

 

THE GLOBALIZER

5:35 PM ET

March 25, 2011

Museveni

If President Museveni wants to understand why sub-Saharan Africa has failed for so long to post world-competitive economic growth rates, and lags even further behind in governance and influence metrics, he need look no further than his convoluted, overlong justification for being a Gaddafi fanboy. He consistently convolutes and commingles economic and political activity, and is reactionary towards the West where pragmatic realpolitik would best serve his nation.

We'll see, in the long term, whether Africa's general inclination to work with China, rather than the West, is ultimately in the best interest of Africans. The West comes with more rules and conditions, but they pay a premium for stability and consistency. China pays its price and will hear nothing of relationships.

That he's been a leader in Africa well past the usual democratic shelf life should not be overlooked, either.

 

MUKOTANI

5:59 PM ET

March 27, 2011

China

make no mistake. Africa will benefit and already has from China. the problem with the West is all through that article if u read it again. it is patronizing and hypocritical. it supported Mobutu and the jailing of Mandela. it bombs Gadaffi and arms Yemen and Bahrain. It even gave (the French) military help to pple busy committing genocide. Museveni is basically saying Western intervention has never helped. China comes with investment and only demands a return on its investment. no hypocrisy. no control. no expectations. citizens lives are improving bse of the roads and dams and projects. and they are demanding better. this article is not about Libya. its really an expression of dissatisfaction with the west from the third world. the author is basically saying that Gadaffi may have strong points but he is a terrible man. but inspite of his evil (according to wikileaks this Ugandan President believes Gadaffi wants to assassinate him) the pple attacking his country do not mean his country well at all. we have seen what they have done before.

 

MONTY132

7:48 PM ET

March 25, 2011

Museveni on Gaddafi

An amazing account from the Ugandan leader. Perhaps because he also has similar views on how to run a country.

Independent.co.uk
Ugandan secret police unit accused of torture
AP
Thursday, 24 March 2011

An international rights group says a secretive Ugandan police unit frequently operates outside the law, tortures people and in some cases kills suspects. Police deny the report, saying it is exaggerated.

Human Rights Watch said in the report yesterday that Uganda's Rapid Response Unit has had a history of violent and unlawful operations since it was formed under a different name in 2002 by President Yoweri Museveni.

The report recommends that Uganda's police issue orders to end the illegal detention and torture of suspects and to end impunity for human rights violations by members of the Rapid Response Unit.

Daniel Bekele, Human Rights Watch Africa director, said: "The authorities and the donors who fund the police need to get serious about holding abusive officers of this unit accountable."

The head of the Rapid Response Unit, Joel Aguma, denied that his force operated outside the law. "No, no, no," he said. "Whatever we do is within the laws of Uganda."

The report's author talked to 77 Rapid Response Unit detainees, 60 of whom said they had been severely beaten during their detention.

"Detainees were beaten on the joints with batons while handcuffed in stress positions with their hands under their legs," Human Rights Watch said.

 

OPEMILY

9:51 AM ET

March 26, 2011

Gaddafi Apologist

I wonder how much aid Libya sends to Uganda every year. He seems to have bought the Ugandan President.

If only Gaddafi had just supported Idi Amin, it might have been considered a lapse in judgement- but what about all the other tyrants Gaddafi supported in Africa? Gaddaf's decision making process on what side to take in a conflict was- "Which side do Western countries support- I'll support the other guy" In some cases he was on the right side of history (ie Mandela), most of the time he was horrendously wrong. The horrors of colonialism were real- but adopting anti-colonialism as your political ideology is not a very wise move. Also, the stronger the anti-colonial squawking by the leader is usually an indication of political suppression of their people. After Mandela got out of prison- he worked with his former captors in re-shaping South Africa.

 

ZENWICK

11:00 AM ET

March 26, 2011

Israel, as always....

I got as far as the third paragraph of this ridiculous diatribe, where this Presidential moron states (without any background or justification) that Israel assisted in Idi Amin's rise to power because they judged him ignorant enough to be useful to them. Apparently Uganda currently has yet another ignorant president, who knows little except for his close study of The Protocols Of The Elders Of Zion. It is a complete waste of time to read anything this man writes.

 

MUKOTANI

5:49 PM ET

March 27, 2011

Israel

Museveni is not to my knowledge anti Israel. actually he asked the Arab League years ago to restrain the treatment of Africans in Sudan by the Arab govt or forget his support for the Palestinians. But it is a fact that the first two governments to recognise Idi Amin were the UK and Israel. Israel even helped Amin build an airport. It was when he asked for arms that the UK and Israel left him and he turned to the Arabs for aid. Thats just factual. It was also Israel that demystified Amin in their famous raid on Entebbe. Just facts

 

COFFIE

4:54 PM ET

March 26, 2011

Perception of power

I cannot see how the author's points are rooted in reality. There are going to be a lot of issues to be addressed in the current events. At least, the author let his points out there, allowing them to be addressed. The author does not see that there are crimes happening in Libya by the regime. He does not get that that is not how a government should operate - or the dangers that Gaddafi poses to anyone around him.

I see an example of the perception ladder or confirmation bias. He just wants to believe his personal contact does not belong to jail. He wants to avoid to have to judge him. The author wants to avoid the responsibility of admitting dealing with an unstable and violent leader, which is Gaddafi. For example, the author brings Gaddafi's negotiations on oil and somehow conjectures that other OPEC members should be thankful for that. The point is irrelevant at the subject at hand. And I am sure that other OPEC members dislike having to deal with the currently crumbling Libyan government.

Though, as the old regime henchmen leave, old ties can be severed for those who support them now. Anyways, that support is logically to wane as the instability in the old regime is revealed.

That might be a perception to Libyan power south of Marrakesh. Libya is part of the Mediterranean though. As such, I expect a larger realization within Libyans that they deserve someone better.

 

JOHN BRIAN

8:28 PM ET

March 26, 2011

Could the AU be trusted to support popular uprising

The Ugandan president (life time????) is suggesting that the Libyan issue be referred to OAU/AU for solution. Could the OAU or AU that has time and again failed to show any meaningful action about the shameful violation of rights throughout the continent be trusted to do any thing helpful for popular uprisings in Libya and beyond or is that a preemptive strike to stop the possible pressure from the western nations on African dictators who are expected to face popular uprising sooner or letter.

I say to the Musevenies , Meles's , Mugabes, you ahve been there for over 20 years and the people of your countries and the international community knows your record. I suggest you clear the way for the future of Africa please do not hinder the birth of the new Africa.

 

VID BELDAVS

8:57 AM ET

March 28, 2011

Kick the Colonel upstairs

President Museveni raises a contrary perspective on Colonel Qaddafi and suggests a way out of the gathering impasse in Libya. At this point the momentum of events is building towards a bloody civil war in which France, the US and other Western countries are taking sides with some support from the Arab Union. However, Qaddafi has credible support in Libya, particularly from his own tribe. He also has support from several members of the African Union. While he has condoned and in some cases ordered despicable acts he is not a genocidal monster.

Museveni presents Qaddafi as a moderate, a nationalist, and definitely not an Islamic fundamentalist. Qaddafi supported the modernization of Libya including equality for women and secular educational opportunity for all citizens of Libya. However, based on developments on the ground in Libya with the killing of civilians by government forces in response to the escalating protest movement and the blood that has already been spilled, there are no plausible scenarios how Qaddafi could retain his former role in Libya. If he would step aside and let the people from his tribe and from the rest of Libya decide their own future, the problem could be solved.

WHY THIS MAY WORK. No one, not Qaddafi, not his loyalists or the rebels want to see the destruction of Libya. In fact days before the onset of demonstrations Khamis al-Qaddafi, his youngest son was touring the US on a trip to see how business was conducted. Qaddafi in fact had designed the governing structure of Libya for the people to decide. Too many years of entrenched rule without change at the top resulted in the typical repressive, dictatorial structure. Perhaps recognizing the limitations of his own abilities as an administrator Qaddafi has no formal role in the government. This structure could manage the dialogue needed to create a post Qaddafi state.

What could motivate Qaddafi to step aside? He will not give in to bullets or to pressure from the US, the UN or the Arab League. Instead of rubbing him out why not promote him up and out of Libya? Qaddafi is arguably the most vocal spokesman for African unity. He is a genuine pan-Africanist. In fact there is some truth in the view that Qaddafi is dragging the countries of Africa kicking and screaming towards becoming the African Union which is its long term destiny. Growing a real African Union modeled on the EU is in the interests of the US, the EU and the broader international community. An African Union that is at peace with increasingly well –developed governance could catapult the continent from its present state of instability and poverty with pockets of wealth to a rapid development model. If Qaddafi is a visionary and not an administrator why not create a role for him as a visionary working together with the international community and the countries of Africa to develop a strong, prosperous and peaceful Africa?

The first step would be for the African Union to demand a Libyan solution to the problem simultaneously extending an invitation to Colonel Qaddafi to fill a special role as the resident visionary of the African Union. Qaddafi should have no administrative duties or powers, but the visionary to fulfill his role should have a strong analytic staff and effective PR resources to get the message out to African and global audiences of the rise of a new Africa, integrating Northern and Sub-Saharan Africa.

Vid Beldavs

 

JVANKE

10:28 AM ET

March 28, 2011

Musevini is just another autocrat

Why did FP publish this? Museveni is his own autocrat, barely more democratic than Mubarak was. It is no virtue to be simply less bad than Idi Amin, even if you're Ugandan (three decades after Amin).

Museveni has been president for TWENTY-FIVE straight years, with no prospects for democratic transfer of power to an opponent. In various ways Museveni has disabled opposition movements' ability to exercise what in the US are the First Amendment rights.

Neither the West, nor the suppressed good people of Africa, need a lecture from the likes of Yoweri Museveni.

 

COREY

8:15 AM ET

March 29, 2011

Yoweri Museveni = Theocracy and Murder

Yoweri Museveni: In 2009, many news sources reported on Jeff Sharlet's investigation regarding ties between Museveni and the American fundamentalist Christian organization The Fellowship (also known as "The Family"). Sharlet reports that Douglas Coe, leader of The Fellowship, identified Museveni as the organization's "key man in Africa." Further international scrutiny accompanied the 2009 Ugandan efforts to institute the death penalty for homosexuality, with leaders from Canada, the UK, the US, and France expressing concerns for human rights.The Guardian (UK) reported that President Museveni "appeared to add his backing" to the legislative effort by, among other things, claiming "European homosexuals are recruiting in Africa", and saying gay relationships were against God's will. The 2009 effort for harsher penalties for homosexual behavior further strengthens existing laws criminalizing homosexuality.

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Hey Yoweri....hows the money from American Taxpayer's doing in your pocket? got any good shoes or anyone killed yet?

 

GLENANTON

8:51 AM ET

April 16, 2011

I agree with those who

I agree with those who suggest Libyans should be the ones fighting for their own country, not foreigners, and the only way for the Libyan Freedom Fighters Reiki to have a chance at survival was to take away those weapons originally supplied by foreigners for Libyan funds, which belonged to all Libyans.