BY STEPHEN M. WALT | MARCH 25, 2011

It is therefore gratifying to observe the emergence of J Street, to see groups like Americans for Peace Now and Jewish Voice for Peace become more vocal, and to see writers like Peter Beinart and David Remnick take public stances that are substantially different from ones they might have expressed a few years ago.

Needless to say, these shifts weren't our doing. Events in the region -- especially the 2006 Lebanon war of 2006, the 2008-2009 Gaza war, the continued expansion of Israeli settlements, and the worrisome rightward drift in Israeli domestic politics -- also inspired the effort to create a "pro-Israel" organization that would favor smarter policies and be more representative of American Jewish opinion than hard-line groups like AIPAC, the Israel Project, or the Zionist Organization of America, to say nothing of Christian Zionist organizations like John Hagee's Christians United for Israel.

Our greatest disappointment, however, has been the lack of movement in U.S. Middle East policy. On the one hand, Barack Obama's administration has resisted the lobby's pressure for military action against Iran, and it took office proclaiming its intention to achieve a two-state solution during Obama's first term. But on the other hand, Obama and his Middle East team have been unable or unwilling to act as an evenhanded mediator.

This situation is disappointing but not surprising. U.S. foreign policy rarely turns on a dime, and a central pillar like the "special relationship" doesn't change just because two academics write a controversial article. We didn't expect groups like AIPAC to dry up and blow away just because we had cast a critical spotlight on their activities, and the mechanisms that these and other groups have used to influence Congress and the executive branch remain potent.

The result, unfortunately, is that a two-state solution that would secure Israel's long-term future is farther away than ever, and America's image in the region -- which showed signs of improvement at the time of Obama's 2009 Cairo speech -- remains parlous. And we are now witnessing a series of political upheavals in the Arab world that are likely to create governments that are far more sensitive to public sentiment than their predecessors were, even if they fall short of being perfect democracies. These new governments will pay more attention to the "Arab street," where the Palestinian issue resonates in powerful ways. This situation will raise the costs of the "special relationship" even more, which makes America's failure to achieve a two-state solution over the past 20 years -- a failure for which the lobby bears considerable (though not all) responsibility -- especially tragic.

Finally, I am sometimes asked whether I have any regrets about writing the article or the book. My answer is clear: absolutely not. As I told a Harvard official back in 2006, it was a "life-altering" event in the sense that it almost certainly closed some doors that might otherwise have been open to me. But writing the book and engaging in serious public debate about Israeli policy, the "special relationship," and the lobby also taught me a lot about politics and introduced me to a new community of scholars, policy analysts, and journalists from whom I've learned an enormous amount and who have become valued colleagues. I would do it again without hesitation, and I would not alter any of our central arguments.

For other reflections on the impact of the LRB article, see Philip Weiss and Scott McConnell here and here; for an interesting assessment by journalist Jordan Smith, go here.

Brendan Smialowski/Getty Images

 

Stephen M. Walt, the Robert and Renée Belfer professor of international affairs at Harvard University's Kennedy School of Government and a contributing editor at Foreign Policy, is the author of Taming American Power: The Global Response to U.S. Primacy and, with coauthor J.J. Mearsheimer, The Israel Lobby. He blogs at http://walt.foreignpolicy.com/.

LOBEWIPER

6:22 PM ET

March 25, 2011

The Israel Lobby book

opened the door to honest discussion of US middle eastern foreign policy with respect to the I-P conflict. Its distinguished authors essentially legitimized open debate by virtue of their professional standing. Mearsheimer and Walt spoke truth to power (if ever there was a true instance of that expression) and exposed the the cynicism, hypocrisy, and destructiveness of American middle eastern policy. They are truly American heros.

 

ABEBIRD

2:22 PM ET

March 26, 2011

I bye only Israeli products

Not Jordanians.

 

JACOB BLUES

8:37 AM ET

March 28, 2011

Walt must have been hard up for hits

For him to post this fluff piece.

But the original analysis still holds. Walt and Mearsheimer are a pair of Jew haters and this is their magnum opus.

Thankfully though, time has shown the influence of their ideas, with Amazon.com ranking their book at a whopping #49,990 on their popularity list.

 

UNREAL030

3:33 AM ET

March 29, 2011

RE: Walt must have been hard up for hits

Seriously? Look. I have not read the book, but do you have a criticism with some actual substance to it? You people that constantly call out anti-semitism whenever Israel is criticized are pretty pathetic. You will be happy to know that your comment alone has given me all the reason I need to purchase it and read it for myself to see for myself. If it is a good book I will be recommending it to as many people as possible. If not there won't be a peep out of me.

FYI, I am a Jew, and you are betraying your own people with your stupid arguments, if you can even call them that. If you are going to make a critique, at least do a halfway decent job of it please.

 

JACOB BLUES

8:15 AM ET

March 29, 2011

Seriously, Unreal.

Seriously.

I have read the paper, and Walt and Mearsheimer’s follow up critique publication, which I argued previously in one of Walt’s other columns.

“You people?” You mean Jews?

Please note I’m not calling Walt or Mearsheimer anti-Semite’s for their criticism against Israel, I’m calling Walt and Mearsheimer anti-Semites for their hatred against Jews.

What happens with most arguments about the book get turned on the idea of Israel, whether it is acting properly or not as a state. The reality is, Walt and Mearsheimer focus, not on Israel, but on American Jews, and it is this witch hunt, that I base my argument on.

As for your claim that my comment alone is the catalyst, wonderful, the publishing industry needs all the help it can get these days, and better yet, you can get it at a discount on the web.

But your claim that I’m being pathetic about my argument, is pretty lame, since you seem so gung ho to read the work without even engaging me in the barest discussion of my argument.

As for your claim about being a Jew, again, wonderful. That and $2.50 will get you a ride on the cross-town bus. However, your subsequent claim that I, am betraying people, with stupid arguments, when you don’t even know what my arguments are, is foolish, and coupled with your statement of “you people” brings in to question your true background.

As for a detailed argument, I’m not want to repeat myself and I don’t suffer fools gladly. Suffice to say, Prof Walt has seen my previous arguments and chosen to run from them.

 

JOHN ANTOIN

1:49 PM ET

March 29, 2011

Respense to those who label Walt and Mersheamer anti-Semitic

Mearsheimer and walt supported their claim with empirical evidence, but those who don't want this topic to be brought to public discussion, will start accusing anybody talks about this issue to discourage others to go to same path. I read this book and didn't get page in which they say anything wrong about Jews, so can anybody help me to find any wrongdoing in their book where they deserve to be pointed an accusation finger?

 

CLINTONIUS

3:02 AM ET

March 30, 2011

Bingo!

There you go again verifying one of M&W's main talking points. You offer no real criticism or analysis of the writing, just ad hominem and personal attacks. This only further proves the emotional hysteria that much of the Israeli exceptionalists are motivated by. The adults at the big table will discuss these issues by way of academic and journalistic sources and you little kids can whine, pout and play with your food at the little table....further establishing why you were made to sit at the little kid's table in the first place. Bon apetite.

 

SUHAILI

10:57 PM ET

March 25, 2011

 

TETRAMAN

11:08 PM ET

March 25, 2011

Appreciation.

Thank you for writing the book. It was a courageous feat.

 

RALTERB

11:51 PM ET

March 25, 2011

Israel

Walt, this is the "Israel Lobby:"
http://www.gallup.com/poll/126155/support-israel-near-record-high.aspx

The American people support Israel by an over 4:1 margin. If it wasn't for this fact, the influence of AIPAC and similar groups would be marginal at best. The truth is that the American people respect and empathize with Israel and wish it to survive as a prospering, Jewish, democratic state in an exceptionally hostile environment. They also realize that Israel has, since the 1979 peace treaty with Egypt, made huge concessions for peace with the Palestinians, giving away Gaza and most of the West Bank and allowing them to govern themselves, but generally has only gotten intifada, rockets, missiles, and suicide bombings in return.

I know these facts are such a shock for you, but not everyone is some out-of-touch leftist academic. In fact, they are evidently are more realistic than the supposed "realist."

 

JOHNSON R

10:39 AM ET

March 26, 2011

Israel's Security

RALTERB, Is this meaning that Israel ought not to give back what it took in the past? They were not concessions but Palestinians' property. Israel has right to exist in peace and security but what is the meaning of settlements? For what reason are they justified? How do they deal with Israel's security? Can you explain me the rationale of all this? Why Israel has to retain those territories and therefore increase them? Is this the only way Israel has found to ensure its security? There are no other ways, solutions?

 

ZENWICK

11:12 AM ET

March 26, 2011

Sure

Israel's unstated reason for expansion of the settlements has always (since the infamous Three No's at Khartoum in 1967) been to put gradual pressure on the Arabs to come to the bargaining table and commit to a comprehensive peace. The alternative you inquire about was to do as the Arabs have always done: perpetrate violence targeting civilians. Because the Israelis chose non-violent ways of applying pressure, the Arabs (and you) need to find ever-more-contorted ways of describing homebuilding as the moral equivalent of suicide bombers and rocket attacks.

 

SABABA03

7:49 PM ET

March 27, 2011

sammy - speaking of stolen

a) The only thing Israelis "stole" from the Arabs, it was the Humus & the falafel, and made them their national dish. Not only that, they made it famous around the world. Oiy vey what a chutzpa.Go and sue them in the international court.

b) show me prior to May 1948, there was any such state called "Palestine", or a group of people who defined themselves as "Palestinians" . There was none.
The name Palestinians only "popped up" on the scene after 1967 war when WB & Gaza came under Israeli control. Before that, they all called themselves "Arab refugees".

Enough with that Arab delusional of 1000 nights stories. The fact is, prior to the 1920's when the region became under the British mandate, there were no sovereign states as we know them today. No Syria, no Jordan, no Iraq, etc. All were under the former Ottoman Empire to which most of the land was legally owned by them, (along with the effendis (whelthy Arabs) and Jews who bought it from the Turks.

Subsequently the British divided the region more less onto ethno-religious states as we see them today. All were Arabs, and one Jewish. No one had problem with other state - but they all have problem with the Jewish one. Why?.

 

NEOLEFT

1:39 AM ET

March 28, 2011

SABABA03 - speaking of stolen

>> a) The only thing Israelis "stole" from the Arabs, it was the Humus & the falafel

No. Israel stole the land of 750,000 palestinians who lived in the region of Palestine in 1948 and has been stealing mroe and more of their land ever since.

>> b) show me prior to May 1948, there was any such state called "Palestine", or a group of people who defined themselves as "Palestinians" .

All the peoepl in the region of Palestine were known as Palestinians in 1920. UNGAR 181 created 2 states, one for the Jew and another for the Palestinians. The Resolution is still valied.

>> The name Palestinians only "popped up" on the scene after 1967 war when WB & Gaza came under Israeli control. Before that, they all called themselves "Arab refugees".

False. The name Palestinians dates back to before teh creation of Israel

>> The fact is, prior to the 1920's when the region became under the British mandate, there were no sovereign states as we know them today.

Irrevelant. The notinio of sovereignty is a western invantion not a universal one. The North American Indians did not have a sovereign state, but today, no one would consider the theft of their land to be legitimate.

>> All were under the former Ottoman Empire to which most of the land was legally owned by them,

Similarly, most of the land in paelstine was legally owned by Palestinians. Only 7% was owned by Jews prior to the 1948 war.

>> Subsequently the British divided the region more less onto ethno-religious states as we see them today.

And then Israel vilated those borders.

>> No one had problem with other state - but they all have problem with the Jewish one. Why?

No other state is stealing land, ethnically cleansing people and demolishing homes.

 

JBROCKLE

2:44 AM ET

March 28, 2011

Sigh

So many good counter arguments and you have to trot out something like this.

 

THE GLOBALIZER

3:14 PM ET

March 28, 2011

Error.

Popularity =/= devotion

If I have to pick between the two, I pick Israel. But that doesn't mean that I think they're being honest bargainers in the two-state solution, or that their foreign and domestic policies vis-a-vis Arabs is anything but reprehensible.

Israel is in for a lot of trouble if the Arab Spring takes root -- it's a lot easier to position against autocrats and terrorists than it is against democracy.

 

DDSNAIK

11:12 PM ET

March 28, 2011

Very true, Jam

... and thanks to Neo for making the effort to dispel the previous arguments in pointed and effective fashion.

Without entering the fray completely (sure, paint me as indecisive), my bigger concern is with American resources and political capital being exploited and not being put to the best use with unilateral support of Israel - and less of what political and geographical reality Israel may manage to carve out of its own accord. Not that respecting the 1967 borders as put forth by the UN would be a bad idea at all, but how about we let the primary players sort it out and stick to humanitarian aid, cease and desist all efforts to assign absolute judgements on either side, and let the cards fall where they may ? Novel concept, I know...

 

TRUTH NOT PARTISAN

12:38 AM ET

March 26, 2011

Why were so many comments removed?

I didn't write anything but so many peoples comments have been deleted. Just wondering.

The people in Libya, Syria, Egypt are all fighting for freedom of expression and Foreign Policy and Walt delete the comments?

Hypocrites.

 

LOBEWIPER

7:20 AM ET

March 26, 2011

I was wondering

the same thing, TruthNP. As I recall, many were expressions of thanks for their having written this book.

 

SABABA03

7:52 PM ET

March 27, 2011

Many other comments were also removed

Not only in support of Walt, but those who object to his thesis were removed. Yak, so much for free speech on this blog.

 

JOHN ANTOIN

2:03 PM ET

March 29, 2011

If people are not allowed to

If people are not allowed to express their feeling even in the USA, then why often dictators in Africa are accusedof preventing their people from expressing their view points?
Hardly do I consider that anybody in the USA could dare criticize Israel.

 

KBAHAA

2:01 AM ET

March 26, 2011

To "RALTERB" I quote you

To "RALTERB" I quote you “since the 1979 peace treaty with Egypt, made huge concessions for peace with the Palestinians, giving away Gaza and most of the West Bank and allowing them to govern themselves"
Although Egyptians were the ones who started peace with Israel, yet Israel actually has not created peace with Egyptians but rather tried to turn it into a gate guard for Israel.
Israel also exploited peace with Palestinians to make the US and EU and other donor nations responsible for feeding and making Palestinian alive. By so doing, It also managed to beef up its own economy making it the cheapest occupation ever.
While Israel was trying to keep the Palestinians and the whole world busy chatting and indulged into nonsense negotiations, it kept expanding settlements and building new ones to change reality on the ground.

 

ZENWICK

11:17 AM ET

March 26, 2011

@Khabaa

What would change the reality on the ground would be for the Palestinians to accept Israel's right to exist as a Jewish state.

 

KBAHAA

10:31 PM ET

March 26, 2011

To ZENWICK

No Sir, Israel is now trying to minimize the chances of Palestinians to create a viable Palestinian state. The problem now is not in Israel's right to exist because it is already existing, but the Palestinians to have their own state which is turning more and more into a dream thanks to Israel's settlement policies.

 

ZENWICK

6:42 PM ET

March 27, 2011

Load of crap

If Israel has the right to exist because "it's already existing", why can't the Palestinians say the simple words: Israel has the right to exist as a Jewish state? They never have, and they never will, because (when said in Arabic) ending the occupation means Arab dominion "From The River To The Sea". Always has, always will - and you know it.

 

SABABA03

7:56 PM ET

March 27, 2011

Ha!!!!!!!! Had only the Arabs accepted UN Resolution 181.

Today the state of Palestine would have been celebrating their 63rd birthday alongside state of Israel.

You snooze, you lose. what a pity.

 

NEOLEFT

1:42 AM ET

March 28, 2011

@ ZENWICK

>> If Israel has the right to exist because "it's already existing", why can't the Palestinians say the simple words: Israel has the right to exist as a Jewish state?

Why does Israel need to hear that after 62 years? Netenyahu was the first Israeli PM that made that demand, so clerly it wasn't important.

As Ababs said, the PA recognized Israel in 1988. What Israel decides to call itself is Israel's business.

Why do you thin the Israelis refuse to recognize a Palestinian state?

 

NEOLEFT

1:45 AM ET

March 28, 2011

UN Resolution 181

Was not voluntary. It was impsoed on both sides, so acceptance or otherwise was not the cause fo the problem.

israel acceptend 181 but not the borders. Ben Gurion said that acceptance of the partition would not limit Israel's plans to settle throughout Transjordan, so had the Arabs accepted 181, Israel woul have found a reason to steal their share of the land anyway, just as they did with the Golan and Sinai.

 

SABABA03

11:13 AM ET

March 28, 2011

Pals demand the impossible

Kbahaa,
If Pals want genuine peace with the Israelis, they should not push them into position with demands to which Israelis can not accept.

1. Right of Return: Just to clarify this demand. In addition of having their own state Palestine, after which, no Jew will be accepted as citizen there. The Pals want to force the Israelis to absorb the 4.5M refugees from the Arab countries into their country - overnight force the Israelis to be a minorities in their own country.
No sovereign country would agree to this paradigm.

2. Surrender of E. Jerusalem: This city is the spiritual center of all Jews (Christians), not just the Israelis. This is where Jews only holiest site is located. Pals now want it as their future capital. No Israeli will agree to have to ask permission from others to visit his / her holy site.
Since its reunification, this is the first time during the past 2000 years, this city is at its glory. peaceful prosperous, where all the 3 religions fully respected and their adherence are allowed free access to their respective holy sites.

3. Recognition of Israel as homeland for Jews: If Pals (the rest of Islamic world) wish to be respected for their religious belief - they have to learn to respect others people's belief as well. Particularly an older one then their own.
Stop inciting their crowds, with baseless denial of Jews rightful place in that part of the world. Jews and Israelis history and heritage are literally carved on every stone in Jerusalem. Muslims ought to recognize and respect it.

 

SABABA03

11:17 AM ET

March 28, 2011

Read Hamas own charter of 1988

What Palestinians say in English to the rest of world is one thing. What they say in Arabic to their own people is another thing.

Read Hamas's own charter to see what I mean.

 

SABABA03

11:30 AM ET

March 28, 2011

concotted dream

Noleft
Anti-Israeli Pundits will say anything, anywhere and at anytime to justify or otherwise coverup for Arab's own dysfunctional society.

You can engage with all the same intellectual foot dancing as you wish. It still does not change the paradigm on the ground.

The fact are, our "Johnny come lately" Muslims friends, have convinced themselves into that pipe dream that, the entire ME & Golf region is an Islamic Waqf (territory), reserved only to Muslims, and anyone else who wishes to stay there, must accept Muslim Dhimmi statue of second citizen status, subjugated to their barberic dogma.

Maybe it is time for our friends to wake up to the realities of life, and accept their own limitation. Live and let live. Those days of Mohammad, roaming throughout the region on Camels and white Arabian horses with swords. Kill innocent people, loot their properties. Rape their woman and enslave them with impunity are long gone - and will never return.

 

MAKESSENSE

2:04 AM ET

March 26, 2011

Just focus on US national strategic interests

All that is relevant from a US point of view, is US interests. Leave it to foreign states and societies to figure out for themselves what is or isn't in their long term interests.

In terms of why US public debate has shifted, this reflects no doubt a shift in public opinion in the US itself. US public is divided on Israel - 43% have a positive view, and 41% a negative rating.

http://www.worldpublicopinion.org/pipa/pdf/mar11/BBCEvals_Mar11_rpt.pdf

 

JOHNRDKIDD

6:59 AM ET

March 26, 2011

An extremely important book that has impacted world opinion

'The Israel Lobby' not only delivered an important public service by switching a searchlight on the opaque machinations of a minority, political pressure group that continues to subordinate American democracy to its own agenda - but has impacted the whole perception of the hitherto unappreciated power of the Lobby in political decisions in many parts of the world.

The extraordinary political influence is seen, not only on the foreign policy decisions of the US legislature by virtue of the Lobby vetting members of the congress and senate, but also through its linkage with its counterpart lobbies in Britain through the Friends of Israel pressure groups in parliament and to its similar connections within the higher echelons of the European Union.

Taken as a whole, the power and influence of this unelected body is extraordinary within an international community that proclaims to support democratic government.

The recent act of the president in using his veto against a majority supported UN resolution condemning Israel's illegal settlements, is a clear indication of the dangers of allowing an unelected minority to make a mockery of democratic ideals whereby government should be of the people and by the people.

The current position, if not urgently modified by legislation and public demand, bodes ill for the entire global economic and political structure. Political decisions that affect all of us, wherever we live, should be open and transparent and reflect the will of the majority.

 

BOBPULGA

7:16 AM ET

March 26, 2011

Lack of Moral high Ground

There is a tremendous smell of hypocrisy coming from Waltz side.
Many US artists have opted to came clean and announced that will donate stipend received by Qaddafi gang , but let's face it, their voice will sound the same with or without giving back the money.
In the other hand
Till the present date Waltz didn't even bother to mention or try to explain his five star trip paid entirely by Qaddafi foundation which, of course, produced http://walt.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2010/01/18/the_shores_of_tripoli
an "unbiased" and "honest" article about Libya situation

Integrity is such an important attribute for any career but is crucial in journalism

Without it ,

It will be very hard to hear Waltz voice anymore in any subject

 

RICHARD WITTYQ

8:14 AM ET

March 26, 2011

Good question

I really did not like the article. Unlike the categorization by Scott McConnell, I found it to be polemic and frankly carelessly did not distinguish the fascistic thesis of "Jews will whisper in leaders' ears" and the moderate thesis of examining the effects of a current political current.

The over-reaction to your article was both reprehensible/dismissable and not. It did not only serve to illustrate your thesis.

I had been involved in discussion on Israeli politics over an extended period, and the language used in the article included themes that were part of the activist parlance, not scholarly, though presented with scholarly framing and credentials.

The subsequent verbal defenses of the magazine and book were similar, often defensive, polemic (Professor Mearsheimer much more than you).

Your point of primarily hoping for a "new" Israeli lobby were NOT apparent from the original work. (I'm speaking of the work, not the reaction to it.)

Relative to the issues of Israel/Palestine there are really three: resistance (advocacy for Palestinians), reconciliation (mutual advocacy), pro-Israeli.

Publishing an article entitled "The Israel Lobby", could put you in the resistance or reconciliation categories. My impression of the read of the article was that you were angry at Israel and angry that the organizations were as effective as they were.

I personally felt defrauded that your scholarly credentials were used to justify what appeared to me to be a polemic.

I personally was bothered that there seemed to be essential realities modern Israeli/Palestinian history that you weren't studied in, but was the content of a major contreversial and potentially destabalizing thesis.

I didn't read of the criticisms of the work from the mass media.

They were solely my own impressions. I found that newbies to the issue and those with partisan agendas loved your work. Even those of us that have been involved with Israeli peace movement found your work difficult to endorse. (They all observed the slog of working through mythologies, institutional and historical.)

 

NEOLEFT

2:05 AM ET

March 28, 2011

This is not about you Witty

You're simply conflating "fascism" with your own tribal ideoloogy. I doubt you've ever looked up the definition of fascism.

Walkt and Meareshimer went to great lengths to refute the stereotypes that you are alluding to. You are among those that Walt refers to when he refers to bogus charges, instead of addressing their actual arguments.

You wouldn't know the first think about what makes for a scholarly essay. The reason W&M's thesis has not only survived but grown in stature since it was released is precisely because they were very careful and precise in their arguments. If there was any defensiveness on their part when refuting the attacks against them, it was entirely understandable given the propensity of their detractors to misrepresent their arguments.

Nowhere in this article has Walt expressed a hope for a "new" Israeli lobby. His reference to J Street was not about the emergence of a new lobby, but about the fact that discussion about US Israeli policy has entered the mainstream. You probably didn't even read the piece. You saw J Street and built your own story about it. That what happens to those who only read headlines.

>> My impression of the read of the article was that you were angry at Israel and angry that the organizations were as effective as they were.

Yes Witty, it's quite common and understandable for people to become angry that their political leaders are being compromised and corrupted and putting the interests of another country before the one they were elected to serve.

>> I personally felt defrauded that your scholarly credentials were used to justify what appeared to me to be a polemic.

There was nothing polemical about the thesis. It was thoroughly references and footnoted (something you wouldn't know the first thing about). The fact you didn't like the conclusion of the thesis doesn't mean you were defrauded. W&M were not put on this plant for your benefit.

>> I personally was bothered that there seemed to be essential realities modern Israeli/Palestinian history that you weren't studied in, but was the content of a major contreversial and potentially destabalizing thesis.

You of all people should avoid accusin others of not being studied in the ssential realities modern Israeli/Palestinian. After all, by your own admission, you refuse to read the Goldstone Report because you are afraid of what you might learn from it.

 

SABABA03

12:02 PM ET

March 28, 2011

Cofuse, confuse and more confused

Mr. Neoleft.
Once again. You seem to miss the whole point. W & M are welcome to opine on anything they wish - they are perfectly entitled to their opinion.

Notwithstanding, all academic credential are rates and credited by peer review, where their essays are examined and scrutinizes for their fairness and balance of publications.

After all, it is the Arabs themselves who never hidden their deep hatred of Jews - reciting passages from their Quran as bases to justify their hatred, and refusal to accept Jews living as free and independents.

Moreover, everyone throughout the west is fully aware that, those Palestinians kept in refugee camps, are there as political pawns for: a) as objects for Arab dictators to destruct their crowd from their domestic problems. b) keep the flame of hatred alive. Otherwise, they would have absorbed them a long long time ago.

Just look how these Arab countries treat the Pals living or working in their own countries - deprive them of their basic human right.

AIPAC was created to put the Arab & Islamist REAL agenda vis-a-vis Jews in the region on the forefront of the world opinion. Convince the American people that, the whole Israeli-Palestinian conflict is less about piece of land, and more about state of mind. Can you blame them for being successful for exposing the Pals real & ultimate agenda of destruction of Israel - not necessarily peace?

It seems that, W & M don't like that, as evidences through their one sided report of WHAT AIPAC s is doing, rather then WHY they do it.

 

NEOLEFT

6:45 PM ET

March 28, 2011

Disagreeing is not missing the point SABABA03

Interestingly, none of your comments even address Mr Walt's thesis.

>> After all, it is the Arabs themselves who never hidden their deep hatred of Jews - reciting passages from their Quran as bases to justify their hatred, and refusal to accept Jews living as free and independents.

False. You clearly have never read the Quaran and are getting your information 2nd hand from right wing web sites. If the Quaran preached hatred of Jews, then Jews would not:

a) have been protected by Muslims in Speain and given sanctuary by the Ottoman Empire
b) Be declared a protected people in Turkey
c) Be revered as “people of the book” in Iran.

>> those Palestinians kept in refugee camps, are there as political pawns

They might be for the Us sported dictators, who want the Palestinians to go away because they are a constant reminder of fact that these dictators have sold out for self interest.

>> AIPAC was created to put the Arab & Islamist REAL agenda vis-a-vis Jews in the region on the forefront of the world opinion.

No, it was created to pressure US lawmakers into supporting policies that would benefit Israel.

>> Convince the American people that, the whole Israeli-Palestinian conflict is less about piece of land, and more about state of mind.

That might be the marketing spin, but it is clearly false. The settlements are not being build on a state of mind, but on Palestinian land. The simple fact is that no one would ever accepted being invaded , occupied and expelled from their homes, which is why you are trying to desperately to portend that is either:

a) that's not what's happening or
b) that it is happening because it is necessary

>> Can you blame them for being successful for exposing the Pals real & ultimate agenda of destruction of Israel - not necessarily peace?

Can I blame them for lying about it? Yes? But as Walt has pointed out, they are not breaking the law.

But you are right W & M and millions more don't like that.

 

RICHARD WITTYQ

2:58 PM ET

March 29, 2011

response to neoleft

You must post on Mondoweiss, to attack me so vehemently.

I am a Zionist, a liberal Zionist. To many that is a contradiction in terms.

My reference as a sympathizer for Israel is a different one than someone that is genuinely motivated by only justice, or only human rights, or only civil democracy.

As a liberal Zionist, rather than a right-wing Zionist, I hold the view that to be Israel, it must be democratic and Jewish majority. It must be simultaneously national AND employ equal due process under the law. Both.

And, to be at peace with its neighbors, it AND its neighbors must be healthy, and Israel must be willing to do enormous efforts and political compromises to make that happen.

Its not happening now.

I first heard of Walt and Mearsheimer's work as being quoted by an individual that thought of himself as an idealist, but periodically quoted holocaust-revision sites, to somehow support the theses of Norman Finkelstein, largely on the moral/legal abuses by the Jewish establishment.

So, admittedly, my first impressions were formed in reaction to those that used the Walt/Mearsheimer thesis carelessly for their own vehement partisan approaches. I later discovered the Mondoweiss site, and knowing Phil Weiss historically personally, read further.

The work was sited as authoritative because it was written by such credentialed academics, when the content of the article was admitted to be distinct from the content area that Walt and Mearsheimer had established their academic reputations. In effect then, it was a shared private concern of theirs.

They were writing as citizens, NOT as an academic study, expressing irritations and even contempt.

The danger of their work was that individuals that shared their irritation to the extent of contempt (some for humane, some for opportunistic motivations) would repeat their theses. That occurred. David Duke for example published at least three articles prominently, including one written by Phil Weiss. (I don't have a clue if he sought permission from Phil.)

And, while many hold their critics solely responsible for the more vehement denunciations, I hold Walt/Mearsheimer at least partially responsible for some carelessness in rolling out a thesis that was contreversial cubed. (Raw wounds resulting from attempted real genocide not long ago, deserve care. Infant burns that cannot possibly fully heal even over a lifetime.)

I've seen Dr. Walt (youtube) take the time to express sufficient care to distinguish his work from what is feared. More power to him. His thesis can then be heard for what it is rather than what is feared.

 

JUSTICE10

9:08 AM ET

March 26, 2011

Thank you

Your book has helped open and democratic discussion tremendously. You are a real patriot and you will be remembered as one of the scholars that has us all focus on American national interests again without prejudice.

 

PJW5552

11:13 AM ET

March 26, 2011

Too little to late!

Exposing the AIPAC and its harmful effects on US foreign policy and even more harmful effects on peace efforts in the Middle East was a good idea, but unfortunately came too late. While J-Street has arisen in part to counter the bothersome narrow mindedness of AIPAC that believes in Israeli exceptionalism and that Israel can do no wrong, the US Congress still appears to be firmly under the influence of AIPAC supporters.

The changes that are taking place in the Middle East now will bring Israel in direct confrontation with its neighbors in the near future. Obama has essentially traded away any US role as peacemaker in the region by his UN veto of the Palestinian resolution on settlements. As tensions build (we can see them doing this on an almost daily basis now) Israel has left itself with only one path for resolving those tensions. None of the parties is seriously interested in seeking peace now. That was tried, repeatedly and the last time it failed horribly.

Let's admit it, AIPAC won in its efforts to obtain blind US support for all things Israel does. It was a battle AIPAC won long enough to see all peace efforts in the region fail until conflict and war have become the only avenues to resolving the differences. I just hope the US administration and Congress are smart enough to realize that budding conflict is something the US does not need to insert itself into in support of Israel. Hopefully your efforts will at least make people aware of what has happened so we don't come rushing to the aid of Israel yet again and turn a regional conflict into a 3rd World War.

 

JOHNRDKIDD

2:01 PM ET

March 26, 2011

So we don't ... turn a regional conflict into a 3rd World War.

Unfortunately, your sentiments though admirable - come to late. Israel has already advanced planning for war against Gaza and Lebanon - and the conflict will start if not this month, then this year.

There is every reason to expect that with the advent of long-range rockets and missiles that now have a range that will reach Israel's main cities, the conflict will very soon escalate into a nuclear war in which Israel will deploy her massive secret arsenal of nuclear warheads against its neighbours.

As we are are all too well aware, radiation knows no political or geographical boundaries, and this coming conflict would be expected to quickly involve Pakistan and from there to suck-in the whole of Europe and the world.

Nuclear weapon arsenals holding in excess of 400 undeclared warheads are not built for fun or merely for defense - which would need just one percent of that estimated stockpile.

WMD are just that. They dont kill dozens, they kill tens of thousands. That will be WW3.

 

ABEBIRD

3:25 PM ET

March 26, 2011

It's time for Israel to crash the Arab's resistance

to Israel existence if the Hezbollah and Hamas will launch in a massive rockets attack. Israel will be free to operate her all range of weapons that will burn Gaza, Lebanon and if needed also Syria. Syria on her part, have now the interest to fire the region in order to halt the inner resistance to the Alawi regime.

 

PJW5552

3:56 PM ET

March 26, 2011

Use of nuclear weapons!

This is a threat I have heard before from Israeli supporters. If necessary, Israel will go nuclear. I hope people seriously consider what comments like that mean. It would mean a nation of 7.5 million people feels it has a right to kill tens of million of people, perhaps hundreds of millions because it places its right to annihilate innocent civilians far higher than the rights of anyone else in the world to live.

The response of the US as well as every other nation on Earth should be as a single voice -- any nation that uses nuclear weapons and places its right to kill innocent civilians on such a massive scale in order to facilitate a military victory deserves no place in the society of humanity. First use of nuclear weapons by a nation must mean nuclear annihilation by the rest of the world nuclear powers. The only thing such an act should bring is not survival, but ones own assured destruction. Unless the world makes that clear to Israel, some in Israeli leadership positions may just think they have a right to use whatever means necessary to defend themselves from their own actions and behaviors. I don't buy the argument that they have that right, nor should any nation believe they have such a right.

 

NEOLEFT

6:48 PM ET

March 28, 2011

I'm glad you aknowledged it is about resistance ABEBIRD

Resistance to occuapation.

Any civliatina would resist a forei9gn occupier. It is human nature.

Neitehr Hezbollah nor Hamas will launch in a massive rocket. Israel will continue to psuh for a reaction from the both of them, but as we saw in 2006 and 2008, Israel deliberately started both wars.

 

HURRICANEWARNING

12:55 PM ET

March 26, 2011

Great book. Though I'm

Great book. Though I'm afraid it proved too difficult for the average person to engage in a calm, intelligent discourse on the topic. The Israel issue in particular always seems to conjure up vitriolic remarks and arguments from those who might normally be more open-minded and intelligent when discussing something different. Israel and it's lobby, Im afraid, remain an extremely taboo subject as far as speaking truth to power goes.

 

ABEBIRD

2:21 PM ET

March 26, 2011

 

ABEBIRD

2:18 PM ET

March 26, 2011

" The Israel Lobby" has nothing to do with The Israel Lobby

This is not your and your friend’s book that made the change in the American leftist elite look toward Israel, but your book was part of the already change itself that was in motion and drove you to jump into that boat. Of course, the ideological changes in positions of the leftist radical American elite towards Israel are influenced by the oily Arab money lay on your pockets. It has nothing to do with real study or thinking. There are many historical and factual mistakes in your book that show that you are just ignorant. No significant detection of great changes that your book has made, and your political perception is not something revolutionary at all. Your text is largely identical to reporters circulated in the Arab world and USSR already in the 80s.

 

SABABA03

6:29 PM ET

March 26, 2011

Did 'The Israel Lobby' Change Anything (for the professors - YES

Off course it changed for these two academics. Much like any subject of sex. It sells.

1. Put their names on the map.
2. Fattened their bank accounts.

 

SABABA03

6:46 PM ET

March 26, 2011

My post was removed - reposted

It is obvious our dear professor who champions free speech did not like my original; post. Nor they like direct and poignant reply to his misleading essay. will repost it again.

While Prof. Walt & Mersheimer base their complains about the Israeli Lobby's purported disproportional influence on the US administrations, mostly on fancy academic exercises. Members of AIPAC most of whom are Jews, they read these writs from Hamas own holy charter.

Excerpts from Hamas's 1988 Covenant – IN THEIR OWN WORDS

The Charter of Allah: The Platform of the Islamic Resistance Movement (Hamas):

“Israel will exist and will continue to exist until ISLAM will obliterate it, just as it obliterated others before it (The Martyr, Imam Hassan al-Banna, of blessed memory).”

(comment: Only gullible like you two would believe that, this is NOT a religious war, with intended holocaust).

INTRODUCTION
(5th paragraph). “Our struggle against the JEWS is very great and very serious. It needs all sincere efforts. It is a step that inevitably should be followed by other steps. The Movement is but one squadron that should be supported by more and more squadrons from this vast Arab and Islamic world, until the enemy is vanquished and Allah's victory is realised.”

Article Five: Dimensions of Time and Space of the Hamas
…......... Its (Hamas) ultimate goal is Islam, the Prophet its model, the Qur’an its Constitution. Its special dimension extends wherever on earth there are Muslims, who adopt Islam as their way of life.

(Comment: Do you still need convincing that, Muslims hatred of Jews goes back 1350 years?)

Article Seven: The Universality of Hamas
“..............The Prophet, Allah bless him and grant him salvation, has said:
"The Day of Judgment will not come about until MOSLEMS FIGHT THE JEWS (KILLING THE JEWS), when the Jew will hide behind stones and trees. The stones and trees will say O Moslems, O Abdulla, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him. Only the Gharkad tree, (evidently a certain kind of tree) would not do that because it is one of the trees of the Jews." (related by al-Bukhari and Moslem).”

(Comment: How the world anyone in his right mind, can expect Jews and Israelis to live in peace with, or even next to people who has been taught to hate them as religious tenant?).

Article Six: Peculiarity and Independence
The Islamic Resistance Movement is a distinct Palestinian Movement which owes its loyalty to Allah, derives from Islam its way of life and strives to raise the banner of Allah over every inch of Palestine. Only under the shadow of Islam could the members of all regions coexist in safety and security for their lives, properties and rights. In the absence of Islam, conflict arises, oppression reigns, corruption is rampant and struggles and wars prevail. Allah had inspired the Muslim poet, Muhammad Iqbal, when he said:
When the Faith wanes, there is no security
There is no this-worldliness for those who have no faith
Those who wish to live their life without religion
Have made annihilation the equivalent of life.

“Part III - Strategies and Methods
Article Eleven: The Strategy of Hamas: Palestine is an Islamic Waqf
The Islamic Resistance Movement believes that the land of Palestine has been an Islamic Waqf ”

And they still believe Hamas wants the 2 state solution?. Live in peace side-by-side Israel?

Israelis and most Jews in US have two options:
a. Read their books, and believe their academic thesis of Hamas is the victim here. Or.
b. Read Hamas's own charter, to realize the Palestinians real agenda vis-a-vis what they euphemistically call Jews “Zionists”..

Whom do you think they are going to believe.?

This is exactly the real reason why the two professors have failed to gain tractions here in US. As Professor Dershowitz had labeled their publications as non-credible. You simply fail to see the real agenda here.

Source: http://avalon.law.yale.edu/20th_century/hamas.asp

 

NEOLEFT

6:51 PM ET

March 28, 2011

Try sticking to the topic SABABA03

You're not even tryign to debate the topic here, but spamming.

 

GAHGEER

7:07 AM ET

March 27, 2011

Sababa

Haven't you noticed that after every copy&paste comment you post, a commercial spam post follows suit?

Perhaps this is to prove a correlation between spam and your opinions.

If you think Hamas are the bad guys with their rhetoric, then go and see the literature of Israel Beytenu and Shas. and no, i'm not gonna copy and paste it. Will leave it to your basic Google skills.

 

SABABA03

1:03 PM ET

March 27, 2011

copy & paste?

Mr. Gahgeer, "cut & paste"?

I had two choices.
1. to copy Hamas's entire charter and paste them here. Or.
2. copy selected excerpt pertinent to the subject matter. which I did.

I know full well that Arabs & Islamist don't like to see the truth, and can't handle it in rational and mature manner when it put forth.

Yes, Shas Party in Israel is indeed a religious party. It does not however calls for genocide of Muslims becasue of their relgion - Hamas does call for Jewish genocide.

Suffice to remind you that, in the past Israel had such party called "Kakh", headed by the late Meir Kahana, a Jewish fanatic. His party was outlawed by Israel's Knesset, and when he was murdered by a Muslim Fanatic in NYC, no Israeli cried for him.

 

SABABA03

8:04 PM ET

March 27, 2011

I can't be responsible for

If some pro-Arab elements chose to respond to rational polemic with their own filth, that is their problem not mine. I just take it as an affirmation that, that they really have nothing of value to contribute - so they do what they know best, post trash.

 

GAHGEER

7:11 AM ET

March 27, 2011

Professor

In the Middle East, the Lobby has always been tought of a behind-the-doors, massive power that controls not only US foreign policy, but also the US as a whole.

Obviously a way of thinking that bordered on old myths of Jewish omnipotence.

Your article and subsequent books shed ligiht on that and showed the real size and influence of the Lobby.

Thanks for the article and the book and may God bless ad protect you.

 

SABABA03

1:20 PM ET

March 27, 2011

A Matter of credibility.

These two professors have lost credibility due to their own one sided reporting. Talk about AIPAC influences on US, w/o pointing out (as expected from respected academics) the REASONS for which this organization sees the needs to come to the defense of Israel.

No one does better job for the creation of AIPAC more then Arabs historic and virulent hatred of Jews, as manifested by Hamas itself. This barbaric organization, calls not only for the destruction of Israel, also for outright killing of Jews.This is what American people see and read. This is exactly what the two professors fail to talk about.

It is their one sided reporting which had brought them lost of credibility - not their god given right to voice their opinions.

 

SABABA03

8:01 PM ET

March 28, 2011

credibilty

Mister,
I am not the one who published the book - they did.
I am not the one who has problem with AIPAC - they do.
I am not the one who claims to be fair and unbiased vis-a-vis the Arab-Israeli conflict - they do.

 

AND REW

9:48 AM ET

March 27, 2011

Thank you for speaking up

It is very honest and rightful of you to speak up against the powerful yet stealthy reactionary pro-Israeli lobbies in the US.

Unfortunately they possess a weapon that at times is far more powerful than Israel's advanced army.The accusations of anti-Semitism are easily used for whomever that might happen to disagree with even minor Israeli policies.

Hopefully, though, the public is becoming more and more aware of this harmful bunch. Western governments are becoming more and more unwilling in supporting the Netanyahu cabinet. So it could be said that we may be heading towards the right direction.

 

SABABA03

8:15 PM ET

March 28, 2011

Anti-semitism

and rew wites:
"The accusations of anti-Semitism are easily used for whomever that might happen to disagree with even minor Israeli policies. ".

Jews did not introduced the Anti-Semitism. Rather they were, through not their own faults, the victim of it for more then 1950 years under Christians, and 1400 years under Islam. During which, they were accused of, blamed, and persecuted for crimes of which clearly they did not commit. Jews always were made the scapegoated.

Therefore, whenever Jews are (yet again) singled out for double standard, off course it raises the same question of another manifestations of anti-semitism. Otherwise, there are many other powerful lobby groups (like NRA, The Saudis, etc) in US. They exert enormous influence here in US, why then W & M focus their energy only on AiPAC ?

 

SABABA03

8:15 PM ET

March 28, 2011

Anti-semitism

and rew writes:
"The accusations of anti-Semitism are easily used for whomever that might happen to disagree with even minor Israeli policies. ".

Jews did not introduced the Anti-Semitism. Rather they were, through not their own faults, the victim of it for more then 1950 years under Christians, and 1400 years under Islam. During which, they were accused of, blamed, and persecuted for crimes of which clearly they did not commit. Jews always were made the scapegoated.

Therefore, whenever Jews are (yet again) singled out for double standard, off course it raises the same question of another manifestations of anti-semitism. Otherwise, there are many other powerful lobby groups (like NRA, The Saudis, etc) in US. They exert enormous influence here in US, why then W & M focus their energy only on AiPAC ?

 

SIDROCK23

10:02 AM ET

March 28, 2011

typical zionist responses to this article

it is not surprising to see so many responses to this article. I'm sure majority of the people trying to discredit or insult walt & Mearsheimer are probably members of AIPAC themselves. I would like to ask those americans who think that unconditional support of israel is worth billion of american tax dollars, worth putting a big target on america's back by jihadis groups, worth getting into a back breaking war with iran and its proxies, worth paying $10 a gallon for gas. if u do, then u should give up up rights as an american citizen and move to israel. More spies have been caught and arrested working for israel, then any other country in the world, and all of them are always protected by AIPAC.AIPAC should be throughly investigated and america's relationship with israel should be put down to the same level as any other country,

 

SABABA03

3:57 PM ET

March 28, 2011

AIPAC fights this.

AIPAC does not support Israel, as much as it fights blind hatred like this. Main stream Americans are not stupid. They read filth like these, then draw their own conclusion.

(Excerpt from Hamas's own charter).

"Our struggle against the JEWS is very great and very serious. It needs all sincere efforts. It is a step that inevitably should be followed by other steps. The Movement is but one squadron that should be supported by more and more squadrons from this vast Arab and Islamic world, until the enemy is VANQUISHED and Allah's victory is realised."

This is what the W & M refuse to acknowledge, nor properly address. This is the core of the issue here. Not AIPAC, nor anybody else.

Today, it is the Jews. Tomorrow it will be the Christians, then the Hindus, the Buddhists, and anyone else who does not subscribe to their cultist and sick Islamic ideology.

When these two gentlemen publish a book, detailing the horrible truth, of how non-Muslim minorities were treated by Muslims throughout the Arab & Islamic countries for past 60 years, then I am sure, they will gain the respect of the Americans as well as AIPAC which they crave so much..

 

NEOLEFT

6:52 PM ET

March 28, 2011

You;re right SABABA03

AIPAC does not support Israel, t supports Likud.

 

ELDORET

11:19 AM ET

March 28, 2011

The point surely is that AIPAC is an agent for a foreign power

The point surely is that AIPAC is openly an agent for a foreign power, and should be registered with the US authorities as such.

Why this has registration has not been enacted, as demanded some years ago, is a matter for investigation.

 

FREESPEECHLOVER

3:38 PM ET

March 28, 2011

It lifted the repressive nature of the lobby in the U.S.

Tony Judt once said that Israel's network of political lobbies and civil society organizations were distinctive in that they sought not just to give voice as other well organized lobbies but also to silence, that is, to prevent noticing their activities and their relative political strength. That is, the Israel lobby tries to shut down debate, mainly through calling people anti-Semitic. Those days are not over, but the trumped up charge no longer silences people as it once did. I think The Israel Lobby helped to expand our democracy by making it possible to recognize that there are at least two sides to what has happened to what was once Palestine, and that ignoring that reality is not in the U.S.'s interests.

If anything, in light of what is happening in the Arab world today, the ability to be able to have a public discussion about the lobby, regardless of where one comes down on its influence, what it does, what are its interests, etc., has also helped discussion to be more reality based in relationship to what is currently happening in the Arab world more generally. Finally, the wikileaks papers on Palestine demonstrate how much the U.S. government had become year after year increasingly irrational in its handling of the Palestinians as well as successive Israeli governments to the detriment of everyone, not least of which is the U.S.'s own national interests.

 

BRYCE1

8:19 PM ET

March 28, 2011

Yes it did Dr. Walt!

The 'Israel Lobby' changed a lot for many people. For the first time I know, it leads someone down the path of truth about the Middle East.
You look at the lack of a Palestine state and wonder why? You look at the Iraq war and wonder why? You look at Israel favouritism and wonder why? You only start getting answers when you trace the AIPAC money to the politicians. However, you won't hear about this on CNN or Fox.

The book revealed this monster of a lobby with tentacles of power everywhere. I don't believe the majority of American people still know anything about this lobby. Its power is extremely well hidden under the vail of anti-semitism and deception.

This very important book should be one of the top 10 books every American should read. The book is really a warning to America of what can happen when we're asleep at the wheel.

 

A BALANCED VIEW

12:41 AM ET

March 29, 2011

Thanks.

Mearsheimer and you changed the discussion to one that is more truthful therefore more conducive to a realistic and just outcome of the Israeli Palestinian conflict.

 

SAJEPRESS

3:44 PM ET

March 30, 2011

Did Israel Lobby change anything?

I read the book cover to cover and followed through the footnotes. Amazing level of painstaking research and analysis. I refer back to it constantly when I am writing a post.
http://sajepress.com
Zafar Khan

 

CONTINENTALOP

10:19 AM ET

April 4, 2011

The Two state solution is as dead as Monty Python's parrot

But a phony peace process based on talking about the two state solution facilitates Israeli settlement of the West Bank.

 

EQUINOX

7:39 AM ET

April 8, 2011

The Israel Lobby

Unfortunately, I have no say NO. Nothing has changed. Both the US and Israel are in complete denial as well as disarray since they're both run by the same characters. One visit to the Ha'aretz website will tell someone with a kin eye everything they need to know about the state of affairs in Israel today which is exactly the same as in the US. Notwithstanding that, the US blind faith and unquestionable loyalty to Israel continues unabated. Everything else can go in the US but the unwavering support of the our 'elected' officials for Israel's ill-fated crusades is sacrosanct.