Not All Interventions Are the Same

Quit it with the comparisons between Iraq and Libya. There's a world of difference between neoconservatism and liberal internationalism.

BY JIM ARKEDIS | MARCH 28, 2011

"Liberal interventionists are just 'kinder, gentler' neocons, and neocons are just liberal interventionists on steroids," political scientist and blogger Stephen M. Walt, commenting on calls for U.S. involvement in Libya, asserted recently on this website, echoing a false equivalence that has sadly become a common conceit among foreign-policy thinkers. It was inevitable that pundits would compare the invasion of Iraq (an idea promoted by neoconservatives) to the imposition of a no-fly zone in Libya (an idea promoted by liberal interventionists). Yet obscuring the difference between these two schools of thought threatens more than the vanity of a group of academics: It places the coherence and stability of the United States' long-term grand strategy in jeopardy.

While Walt, a self-identified "realist," develops a more sophisticated version of this false equivalence, there are, of course, obvious fundamental differences between neocons' triumphal nationalism and liberals' conviction that America can best advance its interests and values in cooperation with other democracies. Walt concedes the distinction, only to accuse liberals of being more cunning than neocons about concealing their will to power: "[T]he former have disdain for international institutions (which they see as constraints on U.S. power), and the latter see them as a useful way to legitimate American dominance."

In Walt's estimation, intervention is intervention, no matter the avowed motives behind a given mission, or the various circumstances that can justify the use of force. Because George W. Bush and Barack Obama have each initiated a military action, it follows for Walt that neocons and "liberal interventionists" see the world much the same way.

This is bunk. Traumatized by U.S. blunders in Iraq, realists now misapply that war's lessons to Obama's decision to join international efforts to protect Libyans from the wrath of a mad dictator. While the president is being attacked by everyone from John Boehner to Dennis Kucinich, it is critical to set the record straight.

Because Walt uses the terms "liberal interventionist" or "liberal hawk" pejoratively, I'll refer to "progressive internationalism" instead. Progressive internationalists aren't hard-core lefties, but rather progressives in the original sense of the word: pragmatic liberals. We are ideological moderates rooted in classically liberal understandings of individual liberty and equality of opportunity -- at home and abroad -- who believe the world's problems should be solved through tough-minded diplomacy and negotiation, whenever possible.

Further, the terms "hawk" or "interventionist" imply an overreliance on the military. Walt accuses both neocons and progressive internationalists of looking at every problem as a nail to be pounded by the hammer of U.S. military might. While progressive internationalists certainly support a strong military as the bedrock of America's foreign policy, they also know that international affairs in the 21st century seldom present black-and-white binary decisions of the sort that Bush mistakenly sought to resolve with a good whack.

This no doubt brings to mind Iraq, and I cannot go further without acknowledging the elephant in the room: Yes, many progressive internationalists did support the decision to invade Iraq. (In 2003, I was a civilian counterterrorism analyst at the Department of Defense and did not take a public position on that action.) In hindsight, I believe constructive critique of my colleagues is warranted and they have learned much in Iraq's wake. The only point I offer in their defense is this: It's just hard to imagine that an Al Gore administration -- which would have been stocked full of progressive internationalists -- would have ginned up that ideological charge to war.

Progressive internationalists recognize that U.S. foreign policy is now a holistic enterprise that must first summon all sources of national power to deal with what goes on within states as well as between them -- direct and multilateral diplomacy, development aid to build infrastructure and civil society, trade to promote growth, intelligence collection, and law enforcement, to name a few -- and only then turn to force as the final guarantor of peace and stability.

Neocons, however, disdain multilateral diplomacy and overestimate the efficacy of military force. Their lopsided preoccupation with "hard power" creates an imposing facade of strength, but in fact saps the economic, political, and moral sources of American influence. By overspending on the military and allowing the other levers of American power to atrophy, neocons misallocate precious U.S. national resources in two ways -- leaving the United States with too little of the "smart power" capacities desperately needed in war zones like Afghanistan and an overabundance of "hard power" capacities it will never use. The trick is to carefully cultivate both, as Defense Secretary Robert Gates, Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, and Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Adm. Mike Mullen have championed since Obama took power.

Walt allows some daylight between neocons and progressive internationalists in their willingness to defer to international institutions, but he again misses the true difference. He rightly characterizes neocons' disdain for multilateral talking shops (see: John Bolton) but wrongly suggests progressives are insincere in embedding U.S. power in international institutions. The fact is that we do indeed believe that international institutions make the world a safer place for the United States and other democracies by entrenching liberal norms around the globe. Can it really be an accident that America is embroiled in conflicts across the Middle East, a region whose countries are least touched by liberal democracy and adherence to internationalism?

Progressive internationalists believe the United States should be the unquestioned vanguard of democratic values, and that American leadership is strengthened when granted a sense of legitimacy that attracts others to our cause. Without a doubt, unilateral application of force in self-defense is a legitimate exercise of power, but legitimacy can evaporate under two circumstances: when America's actions betray its core values or when America acts offensively without an international mandate and the backing of close allies. My organization, the Progressive Policy Institute, in a 2003 manifesto on progressive internationalism, argued that "the way to keep America safe and strong is not to impose our will on others or pursue a narrow, selfish nationalism that betrays our best values, but to lead the world toward political and economic freedom."

Neocons, by contrast, pursue security interests at the expense of American values and damage U.S. legitimacy while doing so. That was George W. Bush: He betrayed American values and alienated core international partners by torturing prisoners, denying them any sense of due process, and falsifying a threat to justify an effectively unilateral invasion of a Muslim country. He strove for the mere appearance of legitimacy, forging ham-fisted, bribed coalitions of the somewhat willing.

The Obama administration's actions in Libya are surely legitimate. The president chose to intervene after securing active support from the Arab League, the Organization of the Islamic Conference, and the Gulf Cooperation Council, not to mention the U.N. Security Council. The international community's near-unanimity is an acknowledgement of the "responsibility to protect" (or R2P), a U.N. norm that obliges the international community to defend innocents in the face of humanitarian atrocities.

Realists like Walt disdain R2P because shielding other human beings from mass murder does not fit within the realists' narrow band of core American interests. To them, America's blood, attention, and treasure are not worth spending unless there is an immediate quid pro quo payoff in terms of national security. Ironically for Walt, realists are closer to neoconservatives on this score: Bush and Cheney meshed realism with neoconservatism when they sold the Iraq invasion as a quick and painless exercise of overwhelming American power that would render an immediate payoff in the form of a decapitated threat and an instantaneous "beacon of democracy" in the Middle East.

Progressive internationalists, like neocons, would define R2P as a core national interest, and we would both advocate strongly for the protection of innocent civilians who yearn to express their individual freedoms. We believe protecting civilians from murderous dictators creates a more stable international community and a safer America while promoting universal human rights and values. But though our ends are similar, our thresholds for intervention, our military methodology, and our justifications for action could not be more different. Neoconservatives' disdain for smart power and realists' shortsighted interpretation of core U.S. interests are poor uses of national resources. In contrast, progressive internationalists seek to use all of America's might to shape an international environment more congenial to the country's true interests and democratic values.

These differences are hardly trivial. Conflating them, as Walt does, is a transparent attempt to reframe U.S. foreign-policy debates around a choice between intervention and nonintervention. But time and again, the American people stubbornly refuse to make those choices in a moral vacuum. This leaves the United States with a messy, imprecise, unscientific approach to international politics, just like its approach to domestic politics. Yes, this pragmatic progressive tradition has sometimes proved chaotic in practice, but Obama should be commended, not chastised, for aligning American interests and values, seeking international legitimacy, and looking to shape the world as both more democratic and ultimately safer.

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Jim Arkedis is the director of the National Security Project at the Progressive Policy Institute and a principal fellow of the Truman National Security Project. He writes at ProgressiveFix.com; follow him on twitter @JimArkedis.

DANI K. NEDAL

1:48 AM ET

March 29, 2011

Who are you trying to convince? Us, or yourself?

Mr. Arkedis is either being outrageously disingenuous or is in serious denial. He accuses neocons of "overspending" in hard power, yet defense budgets under Obama keep growing at an inordinate pace.

He says that neocons are alone in overestimating the effectiveness of military force and says that progressives view foreign policy as a holistic enterprise, but how is a no-fly zone holistic? The realist argument, clearly made by Prof. Walt, was not that the US should only intervene where there is material gain to be made, but instead that even the best and most altruistic intentions don't change the fact that forceful regime change or other forms of military intervention, unilateral or multilateral, don't work as advertised, and instead can amplify the suffering of those we were meant to be saving and, as an added bonus, have dangerous unintended consequences beyond the borders of the targeted area for intervention. When you act because you feel morally compelled to do so but don't take into account the consequences of your actions, you are still responsible for the damages you do.

For all this talk of smart power, being a beacon of democracy and not compromising your values, Obama has kept Guantanamo up and running, stepped up the use of targeted killings in Afghanistan and Pakistan (so much for due process eh?) and adopted a very interesting double standard in his support of popular uprisings in the Middle East. When standing by your values and not alienating your allies are found to be incompatible goals, such as in Bahrain and Saudi Arabia, guess who wins? By the way, R2P up until now is only a convenient label, not a guide to action. Just compare the swift action on Libya and the almost total paralysis on the crisis in the Ivory Coast, not to mention again US allies in the Gulf.

 

NICHOLAS WIBBERLEY

4:39 AM ET

March 29, 2011

Hogwash

Institutionalised humanitarianism is dangerous hogwash. Any interference is interference and restrains natural development. It is perfectly reasonable for the UN, the Vatican or any group to express unhappiness at this or that behaviour and nations that feel offended can apply sanctions individually or collectively, but If citizens of one nation feel the urge to join a struggle to support citizens in another they should do it each on his own account, as many did during the Spanish Civil War. In the case of Libya, the acclaimed international support consists of the US and its slavering supporters, a couple of feral states out for the pickings and, a bunch of Arab despots anxious to mollify their own restive citizens. Libya in an African country but Africans who seek to support Gaddafi are demonised and dismissed as mercenaries. The UN is a farce and if this were an aquatic environment Ban Ki-moon would be a sardine.

 

F1FAN

9:18 AM ET

March 29, 2011

Mr. Walt is right

Mr. Arkedis' article supports Mr. Walt's assertions more than it dispels them. Mr. Arkedis rightly points out how the approach is different but in the end the actions are the same as will be the loss of life, money and prestige at yet another failed military adventure. Libya is the same as Afghanistan and Iraq: what are the goals? Who are we supporting? What is the desired outcome? Mr. Arkedis has no answers to these questions just as President Obama didn't last night.

So Progressive warmongers unlike Neocon warmongers are multi-lateralists, but so what? Adding buzz words like 'holistic' and 'smart power' don't change the reality of the actions being taken. The words used to describe the war (it is a war, we attacked a sovereign nation) don't change it's reality or it's likely outcome.

 

ENZREALE

10:44 AM ET

March 29, 2011

The place where every dictator feels safe

"The fact is that we do indeed believe that international institutions make the world a safer place for the United States and other democracies by entrenching liberal norms around the globe".

International institutions like UN?

 

MATTW0699

12:03 PM ET

March 29, 2011

Liberals and Conservatives are a Mirror Image of Each Other

If there is an intervention, and you find yourself scratching your head as to why we would want to be involved, then it is a liberal intervention. Here are a couple of rules to help you:

1. If an intervention will provide little or no benefit to the US, then it's probably a liberal intervention.

2. If an intervention will provide a direct benefit to the US, then it's probably a neocon intervention.

The US, Israel and the West are, by definition, bad because their outcome is superior. They have cheated to attain their status. No proof needed or wanted. Any intervention by the West must not be allowed to contain some kind of direct benefit. Warm and fuzzy indirect benefits are allowed.

All poorer countries are victims by definition. They have been victimized by the West. Bad behavior by these countries is only a reaction to the West. Since the West caused the problems in the first place, the West may only stop excessive killing.

 

MARTY24

12:27 PM ET

March 29, 2011

Thinking Straight

The first problem with both Walt and Arkedis is the belief that all issues can be understood through whichever Procrustean bed they happen to endorse. Instead, we need to think about outcomes and how to attain them. If the goal is desirable, then the second step is to consider the cost of getting there. Along the way, it is also necessary to consider collateral effects of whatever approach is taken. What has made the discussion of Afghanistan, Iraq, and now Libya, so messy is that there has been little willingness to consider the issues in this order.

In Afghanistan, the goal was to close down the al-Qaida training bases so it couldn't train jihadis to attack us. The approach was to invade and militarily destroy al-Qaeda's bases. This was achieved. What wasn't considered is that once that was done, there were issues of what happens to Afghanistan next. This was short-sighted, but what was wrong is not the need to remove al-Qaeda but the need to think about the aftermath. Establishing Afghanistan as a functioning democracy may have been recognized as an impossibility, so the need arose to take that case elsewhere.

In Iraq, the goal was to remove Saddam Hussein in the clearly unrealizable expectation that doing so would lead easily to a flowering of democracy in Iraq. This goal is separate from the case the Bush Administration made for going to war. Like with Afghanistan, Bush didn't address the "what happens after we have succeeded" issue. We have paid the price ever since.

In both Afghanistan and Iraq, had the US done the necessary planning and gone in with the resources necessary to address the "what happens next" issue, the results may have been very different.

Now we have Libya, where the goal is to prevent a bloodbath of Gadafi's opponents and the means is a "no-fly" zone. It should be very obvious that if Gadafi remains in power, it will be necessary to maintain this "no-fly" zone indefinitely since he will clearly seek revenge if we ever remove it. Thus, unless we're planning on staying in Libya indefinitely, we must pursue the removal of Gadafi.

That Obama denies that this is the goal indicates either that he is dishonest or he doesn't understand the issue. If he is being dishonest, how different is that from the claims that Bush lied about the case for going into Iraq? If he doesn't understand what he is doing, in what way is Obama "better" than GWB?

So what happens if Gadafi falls? That depends rather obviously on who replaces him. My understanding is that we have no idea who that will be. That means we have no idea how this will turn out and we may find ourselves facilitating an even greater bloodbath than Gadafi would have perpetrated. Will we also act to stop that?

If we don't have an answer to that, we don't have a policy.

 

D.GLADWELL

12:31 PM ET

March 29, 2011

2 questions for Mr. Arkedis...

Actually three. All that being said, how then do you explain:

"The Obama administration's actions in Libya are surely legitimate. The president chose to intervene after securing active support from the Arab League, the Organization of the Islamic Conference, and the Gulf Cooperation Council, not to mention the U.N. Security Council. The international community's near-unanimity is an acknowledgement of the "responsibility to protect" (or R2P), a U.N. norm that obliges the international community to defend innocents in the face of humanitarian atrocities."

What about getting securing support from the US Congress?

And if this is a great and justified and better display of R2P, why aren't we doing the same thing in Yemen, Syria, the Ivory Coast(and the other HALF of Africa), etc...? Where do you draw the line and how do you determine which cause is more meritorious?

The danger in this article is that he is doing the same thing he accuses Walt of doing, on the flip-side of the coin: making huge generalities, and betraying his own point of view with an obviously flippant bias. It's not impartial enough to be a thought provoking rebuttal of good counter-points...

Cheers.

 

MARTY24

1:06 PM ET

March 29, 2011

International Support

Then there is the matter of the endorsement of the Arab League, OIC, GCC, and UN, which Arkedis, and other self-described "progressives," sees as conferring legitimacy

To put it bluntly, none of these entities would lift a finger to prevent a bloodbath of any non-Muslim group. The Arab League has advocated in favor of one when the target was Israeli Jews and the OIC still endorses this. We're not hearing about bloodbaths of Christians by Muslims in Ethiopia or other parts of Africa or the ongoing attacks on Copts in Egypt. None of these groups has done anything about female genital mutilation or acted to protect women's rights in the Muslim world. For most of these "progressive" allies, uttering "rights" and "gays" in the same sentence is enough to warrant getting beaten up. Meanwhile, the UN has become the world's chief sponsor of anti-semitism. "Progressives" have responded to these assults on truly progressive ideals by endorsing them in the name of standing for "the people."

If Arkedis truly believes in progress, he would do well to denounce these groups for preserving their religiously-based biases against others.

I'm not holding my breath for this to happen.

 

BUBBLE BURSTER

3:04 PM ET

March 29, 2011

The assertion that R2P is a

The assertion that R2P is a national interest because it aligns with our values is ludicrous.

1. We have many values, why is this one worth using military force and others (live civil liberties, freedom of expression which are much more deeply held than the recent exposition of R2P) are not?

2. If it is a national interest we ought to engage in many places where it is being violated. Syria anybody? Ivory Coast?

3. A vital national interest is one that left unfulfilled would hurt the security or well-being of the US. 10,000 Libyan being slaughtered by a murderous regime stinks, and it s a tragedy, but it does not affect the security of the US....R2P is better thought of not as a national interest, but rather as a national preference.

4. Is there even a reasonable chance that ordinary Libyan;' swill be better off in 3 years time. Or will it juts be a new thug, or an Islamic thug that abuses the Libyan people? Remember one good thing Ghaddafi did was beat the snot of the Islamist insurgency in Libya...think they might surface again.? Or will the people be protected in we leave Libya in an unresolved civil war with de facto partition of the country creating simmering instability?

It seems that the only time the progressive left is willing to use military force is if there is absolutely no strategic rational or critical national security interest in doing so.

If one wanted to effectively intervene to overthrow the "Mad Dog" it needed to happen in the first 2-3 days, when his security forces could have been peeled away from the regime and when Tripoli was still in play. Now the atrocities committed by the security forces guarantee they will go down with the ship...if it goes down. But of course quick decisive action would not have allowed for the precious anointment of the AL and the UN. More "legitimacy" (meaning nasty-non-democracies say OK) is inversely related with success in situations like this where time is critical. Swift decisiveness is also not in the character of this commander-in-chief.

 

COURTNEYME109

3:30 PM ET

March 29, 2011

R2P is a national interest

in regards to Colonel Khadaffy or Syria's Dr General President For Life. Both are long time enemies of Great Satan with American blood on their hands, both enabled creeps and jerks to haj to Iraq and torment innocents and attack Americans.

R2P would be a wonderful raison d'etre to take them out - all the way out - annihilating them, their regimes and all their precious assets over a long weekend and skip out on the Powell Doctrine or try to estab a Disneyland like society.

Sure, someone much worse could rise up. So what?

Someone much worse will have tons of uberthink going on about R2P, unacceptable behavior, statecraft moderne and the scary fact that Great Satan is just over the horizon as they shovel over the still smoking craters of the last regime

 

JIM.ARKEDIS

5:00 PM ET

March 29, 2011

wow

AMADIB - why the hatred? Can't you disagree with me without calling me a douche? That seems a little much, no?

Just about everyone else who has disagreed with me in the comments has usually done so in a constructive manner. Your tone is no way to discuss something this important, and far to indicative of the negative zero-sum political climate we find ourselves in these days.

Feel free to email me at jarkedis@ppionline.org if you'd like to have an adult conversation on our apparent differences -- hopefully one that doesn't have to rely on petty name-calling.

Thanks for reading (I think),
Jim

 

AMADIB

8:17 PM ET

March 29, 2011

My sincere apologies...

Mr. Arkedis,

Please forgive me, as what I wrote inexcusable. The language and tone were not appropriate.

To be honest, I appreciated your article regarding the matter and the notion of challenging those who are regarded as experts and scholars. I was however severely disappointed in the defensive and use of general simplifications and assumptions to support your position.

Walt also overly used generalizations and supported his speculation by glazing over facts, but I felt he was able link his proposition with the current situation. On the other hand, I felt you wrote from a position of being half insulted at the comparison of liberal and neoconservative foreign policy and half in unanimous praise of the Obama Administration. Speculating on the record, intentions and mindset of the Obama administration as his presidency enters its second year is incomplete at best; much remains unknown with regard to his decisions and deliberations behind closed doors. What can be deduced is the actions and rhetoric of the administration, which generally gives the impression of being nervous and overly cautious. Much debate will continue with regard to American involvement in Libya, and what is perhaps most fascinating is most of the "experts" are left dumbfounded as events unfold spontaneously.

I coincide that Walt had an advantage by being able to compare to the past adventures of G.W.Bush to present day Obama foreign policy, you seemed insulted at the very notion. The reality you've both fallen into a game of blame and semantics. You call it "progressive internationalism" or he calls it "liberal interventionist", what really matters is what happens. Your forceful support of R2P and intervention can easily contradicted by Americas response to Tunisia, Egypt, Bahrain, Yemen, Syria, and the Ivory Coast to name a few. This then lends me to ask you can you if you can fairly judge Obama's foreign policy record as being evenhanded. The outward appearance of being progressive is quickly voided by carrying on the same policies of past administrations. Terminology aside, what we have seen is either a mum call for restraint or an evolution of supporting the linchpins to stability to slowly speaking of reform and self determination. That leaves the game of rhetoric, which is carefully executed by a polished team of experts around Obama who are seasoned policy makers are veterans of the Washington. Public relations do little towards notions of "progressivism" by the louder cannons of war.

Although it is refreshing and reassuring to see world leaders stand up for the oppressed - but when this is not evenly applied then very real questions arise regarding intentions and interests. Of course the time it took for the world act is another question. Personally I do not agree with the thought of enforcing a no-fly-zone but on the contrary many experts and articles I have read have been in support of the intervention.

There are dynamics that are outright ignored such as European interests. A fair critic of foreign intervention regarding Libya should be carefully examined in lieu of history, specifically with regard to Europe. There are many comparisons that can be made regarding Libya and either Iraq or Afghanistan or any conflict for that matter and should not be so easily dismissed. Another important omission is the split and differing opinions in the run up of the intervention between the Secretary of State and the Defense Secretary. It is clear that even within the "progressive internationalist" camp there are differing opinions and should not be painted as one color. I believe Walt addressed this by mention of the divergent opinions regarding the use of military power. I would suggest concentrating on the weaknesses of his arguments by supported by facts rather than speculations.

I was further peeved by bringing up Al Gore; as you presumptions of an Al Gore administration would not have been so quick to act is unfounded. What are they based off of? If anything we could have expected more melding in the Middle East, especially during the second Intifada given an Al Gore presidency would have been an extension of the policies of Bill Clinton's and the true color of Joseph Lieberman.

In either case, American Foreign Policy since the cold war has always found ways of strategically intervening to force an outcome favorable to our interests. Being fair to the Obama administration, there has been a concerted and not consistent efforts in a more calculated and progressive push.

Personally I have taken a great deal of interest in the so called "Jasmine revolutions" being of Egyptian decent; but by no means do pretend to have anywhere near the experience or knowledge you've accumulated throughout your time as a civil servant or working with a think tank and an Washington insider. Being so, I felt disappointed with your protectionist and bashing article that proved less substantive than Obama’s own policy of "more-of-the-same" coupled with careful use of public relations and rhetoric.

Lastly, I felt that the critic of Walt's position of being a "realist" and therefore his value of a human life that is not American is somehow less when compared to American interests distasteful and unnecessary - nor is the bashing of the notion of being a "realist". Perhaps it would have served you both better by reminding us of the values and views of a "realist" without the criticism and character attacks…then again; maybe I should take my own advice.

Regretfully,
~amadib

 

JIM.ARKEDIS

9:29 PM ET

March 29, 2011

Thanks

Amadib -

Thanks for the thoughtful reply. I realize these issues get heated, but keeping things civil is important.

In response, I'd just offer that I am not trying to hide any bias - I consider myself a progressive internationalist and I advocate strongly for that position because I believe the nuances that separate it from neoconservatism aren't a joke - Walt levels a common charge that is a grave misunderstanding of the schools of thought and it demands a forceful (if defensive, from your POV) response. It's the differences between the two schools that are both critical and very real, and ultimately define the direction of our foreign policy.

These choices aren't made in a vacuum, which is why each situation across the region demands a different response. 30 years of bankrupt American policy across the Middle East sees to that. I hope the administration's next foreign policy priority is to build stable partnerships with democratic institutions, not autocrats, and ensure our values and interests align in a way they haven't for several decades.

I think Obama has a clearer understanding of our current and future missions than neocons or realizes, and it is important for people to understand and defend these policy nuances that shape the long term direction of our place in the world.

Jim

 

AMADIB

11:40 PM ET

March 29, 2011

Thanks again...

Thank you for the clarification. I wish I could remove my first post. I would be humbled if you'd accept my apology.

~amadib

 

JIM.ARKEDIS

9:24 AM ET

March 30, 2011

of course!

Apology accepted! No worries at all.

 

MIKEM

5:41 PM ET

March 29, 2011

Latent Nationalist Chauvinism of "Progressive Internationalists"

I don't think Mr. Arkedis really addresses the alleged common traits between neoconservatives and "progressive internationalists." As I read it, Walt's claim is basically that, despite talking about international institutions, liberal interventionists are basically projecting American values onto those institutions and using the institutions as a vehicle to advance a project to remake the world in our image. This response fails to address that point.

Both sides believe in the supremacy of western values, and both believe that US military might should be behind bringing them to the world. They take a different tactical approach to doing so, with progressives believing that international institutions are an important tool to accomplishing the goals of bringing western conceptions of human rights, democracy and free trade to the rest of the world while neocons see the institutions as little more than an obstacle to US power. But, aren't the two fundamentally alike in all of the ways that Walt claims?