The Debate that Changed Goldstone's Mind?

Four days before Justice Richard Goldstone's shocking retraction on Israeli war crimes, I heard him waver.

BY ABRAHAM BELL | APRIL 6, 2011

Just four days before Justice Richard Goldstone's shocking admission that his controversial report on Israeli war crimes committed during the 2008-2009 Gaza war was flawed, I participated in a panel debate with him at Stanford Law School. During the debate, Goldstone repeated one of his standard talking points -- that none of the factual accounts in his report had been challenged. But then, under pressure from a line of argument, he backed off and acknowleged, perhaps for the first time, that some of the facts in the Goldstone Report were in dispute. And he suggested that his report might have been different had his fact-finding mission had access to Israeli evidence.

Four days later, Goldstone published his mea culpa op-ed in the Washington Post -- an admission of fault he had reportedly been unwilling to make in a draft op-ed submitted to the New York Times less than a week before the debate. In the Post article, Goldstone wrote, "If I had known then what I know now, the Goldstone Report would have been a different document." But he went further still, acknowledging that his report was wrong to allege that Israel had deliberately targeted civilians.

I can only speculate about Goldstone's discomfort at having his professional work challenged in such sharp terms -- and whether the debate in some way precipitated his admission of fault. But the criticism was deserved. The Goldstone Report asserted that the Gaza war was an Israeli assault on the "people of Gaza as a whole ... aimed at punishing the Gaza population for its resilience." Choosing to focus on 36 specific incidents involving alleged Israeli wrongdoing, the report gave Hamas a free pass for most of its war crimes while concluding that Israel's campaign "was a deliberately disproportionate attack designed to punish, humiliate and terrorize a civilian population, radically diminish its local economic capacity both to work and to provide for itself, and to force upon it an ever increasing sense of dependency and vulnerability."

Peter Berkowitz and I represented the side challenging the Goldstone Report against Palestinian panelists Noura Erakat and Victor Kattan. Goldstone participated as a "discussant," speaking for 10 minutes at the beginning and end of the debate, but he kept a stone face during the two-hour back-and-forth.

Berkowitz and I focused on evidentiary problems, such as the report's refusal to credit any exculpatory Israeli evidence, even photographs. We highlighted the discrepancies between the legal standards applied by the Goldstone Report and those required by international law, such as the report's insinuation that any collateral damage to civilians constitutes a war crime. And we noted the disturbing tone of the report, which employed inflammatory language against Israel, while treating Hamas so tenderly that it never once, in the course of its 575 pages, acknowledged that Hamas is a terrorist organization under international law, that it had carried out suicide bombings, or that it explicitly seeks the destruction of the state of Israel.

Goldstone's retraction addresed some of these points: that the allegations were not based on evidence of Israeli motives, but, rather, on his team's presumptions in the absence of any hard evidence -- a point we made repeatedly in the Stanford debate. Goldstone also admitted that Hamas is "an organization that has a policy to destroy the state of Israel" and that Hamas should be called to account for its violations of the laws of war. Finally, Goldstone noted that the U.N. Human Rights Council, which commissioned the report, has a "history of bias against Israel [that] cannot be doubted," and he denounced the council's refusal to address "heinous" acts by Hamas against Israelis.

The motivation for Goldstone's about-face is still unclear; what is not is that his contrition is far from complete. The Goldstone Report was full of disturbing accusations against Israel and no-less-disturbing omissions of Hamas's crimes; it distorted the factual record and digressed into vile anti-Israel propaganda. Goldstone has not yet disavowed these sections of the report. While Israelis are delighted by the measure of vindication, President Shimon Peres expressed the sentiments of many when he opined the weekend after Goldstone's op-ed appeared that Goldstone still owes the state of Israel an apology. In many respects, the report's damage to Israel's reputation and the attendant boost to Hamas's legitimacy are irreversible.

FABRICE COFFRINI/AFP/Getty Images

 

Abraham Bell is a professor of law at the University of San Diego School of Law and Bar-Ilan University Faculty of Law.

OSHAKIR

1:41 AM ET

April 7, 2011

Video of the Stanford Debate

I encourage all those interested in the debate referenced at Stanford Law School to check out the video available here: http://www.law.stanford.edu/display/images/dynamic/events_media/20110328_GoldstoneReport-Debate.mov

Professor Allen Weiner, the moderator of the debate and director of the Stanford Program in International and Comparative Law, responded to Avi Bell's misleading characterization of the debate with the following letter ' in the Jerusalem Post: http://www.jpost.com/Opinion/Letters/Article.aspx?id=215460

 

AMADIB

7:54 PM ET

April 8, 2011

 

JEBAL NABLUSP

2:16 AM ET

April 7, 2011

I don't doubt for a second

I don't doubt for a second that this: Hamas is "an organization that has a policy to destroy the state of Israel" is true...

But what do people think settler colonial Israel's intentions are towards Palestinians? Cuddles and hot chocolate?

It does not in any way justify Hamas' terrorism nor legitamise antisemitism to recall the simple fact that only one party in this conflict is a state founded on the ethnic cleansing of another people.

 

JEBAL NABLUSP

2:16 AM ET

April 7, 2011

I don't doubt for a second

I don't doubt for a second that this: Hamas is "an organization that has a policy to destroy the state of Israel" is true...

But what do people think settler colonial Israel's intentions are towards Palestinians? Cuddles and hot chocolate?

It does not in any way justify Hamas' terrorism nor legitamise antisemitism to recall the simple fact that only one party in this conflict is a state founded on the ethnic cleansing of another people.

 

SMARMONK

6:30 PM ET

April 7, 2011

For goodness sakes!

The Palesteans had lived on that land, cultivated it, made it grow for over two thousand years. Would you roll over and play dead if, say Russia, invaded this country with the OK of the UN because we would not give them everything bordering on, say Canada, plus Alakska?

 

SABABA03

7:16 PM ET

April 7, 2011

These "Palestianisn" are NOT those Palestianis.

samrmonk,
Before they came under Israeli rule in June 67, these Arabs in Gaza were Egyptian, and those in WB were Jordanians. Both of whom called themselves "Arabs).
It was only after Israel won the war and they came under Israeli rule, they decided to slap the "Palestinian" label on themselves.

as for land ownership and restoration the right of those who evicted from their land. lets not forget that, Islam's second holiest city of Madianh, was a Jewish city, with large population who lived there for centuries, until Mohammad forced them out by force. Killed their man, raped their woman, and enslaved the population.

Lets apply the same standards equally on all sides. When the descendent's of the 3 Jewish Tribes in Madinah will have their right to get their city back, then we can talk about Palestinian right to return to Israel.

 

JOHNRDKIDD

6:13 AM ET

April 7, 2011

Goldstone report is essentially valid

Judge Goldstone’s report on his official fact-finding mission to Gaza regarding Israel’s invasion in December 2008, is essentially valid.

Hundreds of children under the age of 16 were confirmed killed by heavily armed Israeli forces using tanks, planes, missiles and chemical weaponry against a predominately unarmed, civilian population.

Gaza is still virtually a territory under Israeli occupation, and Israel’s economic sanctions against the Hamas government are an unlawful form of collective punishment.

Tragically, the Israeli government is dehumanized, dehumanizing and paranoid.

 

AAGOTTESMAN

5:27 PM ET

April 7, 2011

@JOHNRDKIDD

"Gaza is still virtually a territory under Israeli occupation, and Israel’s economic sanctions against the Hamas government are an unlawful form of collective punishment. " Please provide a source for your assertion that this an "unlawful form of collective punishment."

 

SIDROCK23

7:22 AM ET

April 7, 2011

you should feel good Mr. bell

you should feel good about helping cover for war crimes. as a card carrying member of AIPAC, u did as u were told, which is once again bailing out israel and drying its bloody hands. go ahead and pat yourself on the back and take pleasure in knowing that you took away whatever credibility was left in the moderate jewish people, by taking someone like Judge goldstone and harassing him into backing off the report. don't think that copies of the report aren't out there and availible for all to see. in this era of facebook and youtube, we don't need comprimised UN investigators to expose the truth. One can simplky get online and get all the proof they need. while israel may have won this war, people like you only help put in further danger by not holding it accountable and asking it to grow up and mature. the ever changing landscape of the middle east, will seal israel's fate itself.

 

BABS

8:36 AM ET

April 7, 2011

Goldstone

Professor Bell is naive. Goldstone recanted only because international legal experts drove a coach and horses through the legality and methodology of the enquiry, and Goldstone was shamed in public and wanted to divert attention from that.

He should do the decent thing and go before the UN and demand that his biased report and all the resolutions against Israel which were passed because of it be nullified and withdrawn. He should also admit that he should have forced Prof Christine Chinkin to recuse herself from the panel.

Goldstone's motivation is crystal clear - he has been cold shouldered and wants to rehabilitate himself in any way he can. Shame on him.

 

DAZOO

3:27 PM ET

April 8, 2011

Courage

SAMMYBOY84SD:

Let me commend you on your courage; your courage to categorize a whole religion based on a controversial and complex situation that never seems to have an answer.
You are brave, Sammy, for sitting behind a computer, eating potato chips and getting angry enough at posts to advocate genocide.
I know that in a face-to-face argument, you would present a more measured viewpoint.
Please keep your garbage to yourself, and next time try to give a more productive argument.

 

JOHNRDKIDD

3:07 PM ET

April 7, 2011

A Marine Rifleman?

If you were actually either a marine or a rifleman you would know full well that no army of any other democratic nation (or claimed democratic nation) deliberately targets women and children. And 320 children under the age of 16 were not killed in Gaza by accident or collateral damage.

Goldman has merely retracted the claim that it was government policy. He has not retracted the claim that the children were targeted or killed.

I was a professional soldier for 4 years on active service and have never witnesses such military action against children. Never.

These Palestinian children were the same as our children. Human beings. No different from yours or mine. NO DIFFERENT!

 

AAGOTTESMAN

5:22 PM ET

April 7, 2011

@JOHNRDKIDD

If you were a soldier for four years, than this might interest you: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NX6vyT8RzMo&feature=channel_video_title

 

AAGOTTESMAN

5:24 PM ET

April 7, 2011

@JOHNRDKIDD

Transcript of the YouTube link (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NX6vyT8RzMo&feature=channel_video_title), the recording of UN Watch Statement, delivered by Col. Richard Kemp, October 16, 2009, UN Human Rights Council Special Session on Goldstone Report:

Thank you, Mr. President.

I am the former commander of the British forces in Afghanistan. I served with NATO and the United Nations; commanded troops in Northern Ireland, Bosnia and Macedonia; and participated in the Gulf War. I spent considerable time in Iraq since the 2003 invasion, and worked on international terrorism for the UK Governments Joint Intelligence Committee.

Mr. President, based on my knowledge and experience, I can say this: During Operation Cast Lead, the Israeli Defence Forces did more to safeguard the rights of civilians in a combat zone than any other army in the history of warfare.

Israel did so while facing an enemy that deliberately positioned its military capability behind the human shield of the civilian population.

Hamas, like Hizballah, are expert at driving the media agenda. Both will always have people ready to give interviews condemning Israeli forces for war crimes. They are adept at staging and distorting incidents.

The IDF faces a challenge that we British do not have to face to the same extent. It is the automatic, Pavlovian presumption by many in the international media, and international human rights groups, that the IDF are in the wrong, that they are abusing human rights.

The truth is that the IDF took extraordinary measures to give Gaza civilians notice of targeted areas, dropping over 2 million leaflets, and making over 100,000 phone calls. Many missions that could have taken out Hamas military capability were aborted to prevent civilian casualties. During the conflict, the IDF allowed huge amounts of humanitarian aid into Gaza. To deliver aid virtually into your enemy's hands is, to the military tactician, normally quite unthinkable. But the IDF took on those risks.

Despite all of this, of course innocent civilians were killed. War is chaos and full of mistakes. There have been mistakes by the British, American and other forces in Afghanistan and in Iraq, many of which can be put down to human error. But mistakes are not war crimes.

More than anything, the civilian casualties were a consequence of Hamas way of fighting. Hamas deliberately tried to sacrifice their own civilians.

Mr. President, Israel had no choice apart from defending its people, to stop Hamas from attacking them with rockets.

And I say this again: the IDF did more to safeguard the rights of civilians in a combat zone than any other army in the history of warfare.

Thank you, Mr. President.

 

SMARMONK

6:26 PM ET

April 7, 2011

Debate over Gaza

A small history lesson. Before WWII, some Jews went to Palestine and lived peacefully with the Palestineans....Palestine was a British colony. After WWII, the Western allies did NOT wish to provide assistance or shelter to Jews released from concentration camps, or those who managed somehow to escape. Understandably, many Jews wanted to return to their religious homeland after the atrocities committed against them by Hitler and Stallin. The only country which offered them asylum was what was then called The Congo. A sad comment on anitsemitism in the West.

As an aside a shipload of Jewish children were sent to the US during the War to save them from the Nazis. Among others, the Daughters of the American Revolution were instrumental in turning the ship away. It returned to Europe. All children on that ship died at the hands of Nazis.

Britain and the US realized that colonies/oil were going to be a thing of the past. They offered Palestine....without, of course, consulting those who had lived there for thousands of years....as a haven. The Palestineans now felt (correctly) that they were being invaded and war broke out between the two peoples. The Palestians lost...sucks when the other side gets all the cool tools of war. They were literally herded out of the state of Israel...strafed by planes, atrocities commited upon them, incluiding the mutilation of Palestinean women. All lead by General Sharon, who became a Prime Minister at a later date.

The Palesineans ended up in camps in Jordan and, I believe, Syria. The largest camps were in Jordan. They formed what we call terrorist groups, like the PLO and Hamas, which the Palestians considered freedom fighters. After all, that land held sacred meaning to them as well. These began to harass Israel as the desperate with little resources do...I shudder every time some poor young Palestinean teen blows him or herself up. However, if you want to do body counts, far more Palestineans died.

This has always been a deeply difficult moral morass for me. On one side, I am Chickasaw. In the 19th C, Chickasaws, Cherokess and other members of the so-called Five Civiilized tribes, were marched (under orders from President Jackxon) during winte,r from Georgia and Alabama to Oklahoma. No one knows the kill rate on that one, but it was very high. The reason? They owened rich "bottom" land that whites wanted. Whites were furious that these "savages" were getting rich as farmers.

One the other hand, I abhore anti-semitism, or for that matter any form of ehtnic or other prejudice. Israel is not going to go away. There is a peace movement there. God willing they will gain power of the government and settle this ethically...reparations to the Palestineans, Gaza as a no settler zone, and a larger piece of land, with all the recognition and rights of a sovereign country, with better opportunities to farm, etc. Gaza is like Oklahoma before oil was found...not much to offer.

I find all this very sad...all the result of hatred....hatred of Jews in Europe and the US, hatred of the Palestineans on the part of Jews and Britain and the US. I have heard some Jews talk about killing all Arabs. I have also heard some Arabs talk about killing all Jews....these are not the words of sane, decent human beings. God willing, sane people will take power on both sides and survive long enough to end this madness.

 

AAGOTTESMAN

7:15 PM ET

April 7, 2011

@SMARMONK: Debate over Gaza

Your history is slightly off.

From 1154-1920, the Ottoman Empire controlled the Levant, the region in which Israel is located.
In 1914, WWI broke out, with the Allied powers (Britain included) versus the Central Powers (Ottoman Empire included).
In 1917, Britain issued the Balfour Declaration, which declared that the British government looks favorably upon the creation of a Jewish state in the area known as 'Palestine.'
In 1918, World War I ended, and the Ottoman Empire lost. Part of the war treaty was the dissolution of the Ottoman Empire (OE). The territories the OE had were broken up and given to the winners of the war. The League of Nations told these winners to develop the areas so that the local people could govern it themselves- but they were really colonies. The British government got control of Palestine, as well as other areas (Jordan, Lebanon, Iraq, etc). The San Remo Conference of 1920 gave the area of Palestine to the Jewish people, and used the language of the Balfour Declaration. This was re-affirmed in the Mandate for Palestine of 1922.
This was all entirely legal. There was no state of Palestine prior to the Jews coming to the land. The concept of a Jewish state existed forty years before Hitler came to power.
During the interwar period, tensions between Arabs and Jews were violent (see the Nabi Musa Riots of 1929 and the Massacre of Hebron).
WWII occurs, Holocaust occurs, etc etc. Tensions and violence between the Arabs, Jews, and British in Palestine was constantly rising. The British got fed up with the violence and decided to dump the mess into the hands of the UN. UN votes on Partition- divide the land in half, between the Jews and the Arabs (1947). Jews accepted the idea, Arabs didn't. The British leave in 1948, and the Jews and Arabs from both Palestine (now named Israel) and five other Arab countries fight a war. The Jews win and the fledgling state of Israel survives.
For a number of reasons (this is a historiographical argument) the Arabs living in the land fled during the war. These Palestinians ended up in refugee camps in Lebanon, Syria, Jordan, and Egypt.
"They were literally herded out of the state of Israel...strafed by planes, atrocities commited upon them, incluiding the mutilation of Palestinean women. All lead by General Sharon, who became a Prime Minister at a later date."
Please provide a source for this 'herding,' 'strafing,' 'atrocities committed' and 'mutilation. Also, please provide a source for Sharon's participation in the 'herding' of Palestinians out of Israel. (Sharon did have serious ethical issues with his mistreatment of Palestinian camps of Sabra and Shatila in the 1980's, but I am unaware of anything in the 1940's.)

 

SABABA03

7:35 PM ET

April 7, 2011

1948 War. How Arabs bacame refugees?. The real story.

In response to the relentless Arab-Muslims, and Palestinian propaganda for which they accuse Israel of “evicting the Arabs from their land”, it is time to reveal the REAL truth about the circumstances under which most of those 750,000 Pal’s had left their homes.

Here are some of the “secret weapons” by which Israelis had used to win their 1947- 48 war with the 6 Arab countries and the Pal. After reading it, You will crack, but it is true nonetheless.

DAVIDKA: This was a simple Cannon designed to generate only loud noise of artillery. So every night Israeli forces would position few of these “super guns” near Arab villages and shoot their cannons. The Arab hearing these “howitzer” canons, thought a whole artillery division is about to decent on them, packed and left, with full encouragement from the Arab commanders on the field.

THE ROLLING TRACTORS: These were ordinary tractors, to which the Israeli Kibbutzim were using to work the fields during the day. However these tractors were used more effectively at night, when they were fitted with specialty designed mufflers to create sound effects of armored tanks. In the middle of the night, they were rolling dozens of these “Sherman Tanks” down the hills in northern Israel. Hearing these “Tank divisions” descending, they packed and left, again with the encouragement of the Arab commanders in the field.

These “awesome weapons are still on display at various museums in the Kibbutzim in Israel. Obviously Arabs will not want it publicized.
Now you know the truth behind those “evicted from their land” mantra. Who is to blame, if the Arab leaders were so stupid to fall into such a trap.

Nonetheless, on the serious side. Why anybody would blame a tiny new nation, being attacked by no less then 6 blood thirsty Arab countries, from using cleaver tactics to defend themselves?. The truth is, during the same time Israeli leaders invited the remaining Arab inhabitants to join the new nation of Israel as free people, in a democratic state. Many of those who did not flee. They still live in Israel as the only Arab free citizens in the entire Arab-Islamic world.

Next time when a Muslim or an Arab plays the victim to you, here are the circumstances for which he blames others for his miserable state of affairs

 

DAZOO

3:14 PM ET

April 8, 2011

Blame Hamas

Is specifically targeting civilian targets with no attention to who it hits ok?
Are human shields ok?
Is dominating your own people and imposing sharia law ok?
Rarely do we hear the voice of the Palestinian people, because they do not have the freedom to think for themselves.
Hamas has hijacked their city, and imposes its will by deflecting blame on Israel.
If no rockets were coming from Gaza, and Israel still fired missles, then Israel would be at unequivocally at fault.
We need to delegitimize Hamas; the true villains of this conflict. Let's give the Israelis a reason to stop using weapons. Condemn Hamas!