Special Relationship

Exclusive new cables released by WikiLeaks reveal the United States' heavy-handed efforts to help Israel at the U.N.

BY COLUM LYNCH | APRIL 18, 2011

In the aftermath of Israel's 2008-2009 intervention into the Gaza Strip, Susan E. Rice, the U.S. ambassador to the United Nations, led a vigorous campaign to stymie an independent U.N. investigation into possible war crimes, while using the prospect of such a probe as leverage to pressure Israel to participate in a U.S.-backed Middle East peace process, according to previously undisclosed diplomatic cables provided by the anti-secrecy website WikiLeaks.

The documents provide a rare glimpse behind the scenes at the U.N. as American diplomats sought to shield Israel's military from outside scrutiny of its conduct during Operation Cast Lead. Their release comes as the issue is back on the front pages of Israel's newspapers, following the surprise recent announcement by Richard Goldstone -- an eminent South African jurist who led an investigation commissioned by the U.N.'s Human Rights Council -- in a Washington Post op-ed that his team had unfairly accused Israel of deliberately targeting Palestinian civilians.

The new documents, though consistent with public U.S. statements at the time opposing a U.N. investigation into Israeli military operations, reveal in extraordinary detail how America wields its power behind closed doors at the United Nations. They also demonstrate how the United States and Israel were granted privileged access to highly sensitive internal U.N. deliberations on an "independent" U.N. board of inquiry into the Gaza war, raising questions about the independence of the process.

In one pointed cable, Rice repeatedly prodded U.N. Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon to block a recommendation of the board of inquiry to carry out a sweeping inquiry into alleged war crimes by Israeli soldiers and Palestinian militants. In another cable, Rice issued a veiled warning to the president of the International Criminal Court, Sang-Hyun Song, that an investigation into alleged Israeli crimes could damage its standing with the United States at a time when the new administration was moving closer to the tribunal. "How the ICC handles issues concerning the Goldstone Report will be perceived by many in the US as a test for the ICC, as this is a very sensitive matter," she told him, according to a Nov. 3, 2009, cable from the U.S. mission to the United Nations.

Rice, meanwhile, assured Israeli Foreign Minister Avigdor Lieberman during an Oct. 21, 2009, meeting in Tel Aviv that the United States had done its utmost to "blunt the effects of the Goldstone report" and that she was confident she could "build a blocking coalition" to prevent any push for a probe by the Security Council, according to an Oct. 27, 2009 cable.

Israel launched a three-week-long offensive into Gaza in late 2008 in an effort to prevent Hamas and other Palestinian militants from firing rockets at Israeli towns. The Israel Defense Forces killed as many as 1,400 Palestinians. Thirteen Israel soldiers were also killed during Operation Cast Lead, and a number of U.N. facilities faced repeated attacks. The military campaign raised calls at the U.N. for an investigation into reports of war crimes.

In response, Ban commissioned a top U.N. troubleshooter, Ian Martin, to set up an independent U.N. board of inquiry into nine incidents in which the Israeli Defense Forces had allegedly fired on U.N. personnel or facilities. The U.N. probe -- which established Israeli wrongdoing in seven of the nine cases -- was the first outside investigation into the war, with a mandate to probe deaths, injuries, and damage caused at U.N. locations.

The board's 184-page report has never been made public, but a 28-page summary released on May 5 concluded that Israel had shown "reckless disregard for the lives and safety" of civilians in the operation, citing one particularly troubling incident in which it struck a U.N.-run elementary school, killing three young men seeking shelter from the fighting. Israel denounced the findings as "tendentious, patently biased," saying that an Israeli military inquiry had proved beyond a doubt that Israel had not intentionally attacked civilians.

But the most controversial part of the probe involved recommendations by Martin that the U.N. conduct a far-reaching investigation into violations of international humanitarian law by Israeli forces, Hamas, and other Palestinian militants. On May 4, 2009, the day before Martin's findings were presented to the media, Rice caught wind of the recommendations and phoned Ban to complain that the inquiry had gone beyond the scope of its mandate by recommending a sweeping investigation.

 SUBJECTS: DIPLOMACY, MIDDLE EAST
 

Colum Lynch blogs all things United Nations for Foreign Policy at Turtle Bay.

MARTY MARTEL

8:19 AM ET

April 19, 2011

Five Brahmins control UN

United Nations is the fiefdom of five Brahmins of UNSC with veto power.

The very fact that UN Secretary General Ban Ki-Moon followed U. S. wishes in whitewashing the ‘Goldstone report’ shows why U. S. had supported his candidacy for the post at the end of Kofi Anan’s term.

It is a foregone conclusion that five Brahmins will stop all efforts to reform UN that dilute their power and hold on UN.

 

AHMEDWALID

12:11 PM ET

April 19, 2011

Please, I grew up in Israel

and as an Arab, I can tell you the Goldstone report was a big joke. Lets investigate the war crimes of Hamas, a group that does suicide bombings and fires missiles at civilian centers. Yeah, that should work out well.

When I was there, arab suicide bombs threatened to harm me just as much as the Jews there. Totally indiscriminate and insane. Where was the UN war crimes investigation on that? I couldn't take a bus even. If I wa hit, as an arab, I was a martyr. Lucky me!

 

9 VOLT

4:43 PM ET

April 19, 2011

It's Morning in the Golem State

I grew up in the USA and I am disgusted at just how subservient our government officials have become to the Israelophiles and Israel. The United States is well on the way to becoming a big, dumb, Golem-state whose national interest has been completely replaced by that of Israel's.

The Israelicons have no compunction about getting American soldiers to die for the Israeli agenda while making believe it's for the good ole USA. It's really a terrible situation. And now that the concept of humanitarian intervention has been firmly established as a precedent in Libya, we are well on our way to an attack on Iran. If Tea Party types like Palin and Bachmann come into power the Israeli lobby will just openly dictate American foreign and military policy. Hello perpetual war for Israel.

 

COURTNEYME109

5:22 PM ET

April 19, 2011

@9 Volt

YAWN.

If you grew up in Great Satan then you should totally get it. Americans always tend to get hot for sister democracies over illegit, intolerant regimes. Like SoKo, Taiwan, Nippon or Philippines - nothing magic about loving Little Satan.

Simply put - Little Satan is a lot like Great Satan - or any fun, free choice functional democracy:

A tolerant, egalitarian society with a penchant for periodic, transparent elections, a free uncensored press, a nat'l treasury under public scrutiny, a military under civie control, an independent judiciary under elected gov oversight and the ability to enforce Writ of State.

If all you say were true:

The Middle East would look totally diff - Syria would be occupied (instead of Iraq), Hiz'B'Allah would be on the same junk heap of flamed out losers like Waffen Ss, Confederacy or Kamikazes.

Lebanon would be the Las Vegas of the Med, Kurdistan would have replaced Palestine as the highest form of Statecraft de rigor and Palestinians would have been 'Right of Relocated" to their choice of any of Arab League's despotries (generously funded by Arab League as political recompense for the totally tarded "3 No's of Khartoum") Arab League would have 22 Ambassadors in J'lem and Officially Recog'd Little Satan eons ago.

 

NEOLEFT

6:04 PM ET

April 19, 2011

If you grew up in Israel

You'd know that there have been no suicide attacks since early 2008 and that Hamas has called an end to them.

YEs, the Goldstone report WAS a big joke, becasue it completely omitted the fact that Israel broke the ceasefire in 2008 and refused to lift the blockade on Gaza, as they had agreed.

>> When I was there, arab suicide bombs threatened to harm me just as much as the Jews there.

And when the Stern Gang blew up the Kind David Hotel, they killed Jews as well.

>> Totally indiscriminate and insane.

Yes it was. Ehud Barak said that if he were a Palestinian, he would be a terrorist. Military occupation drives people to do insane things.

 

NEOLEFT

6:11 PM ET

April 19, 2011

Sorry Counrtney, did we wake you?

>> Simply put - Little Satan is a lot like Great Satan - or any fun, free choice functional democracy:

Yes, a lot like great Satan if you wind th clock back to the 19th century.

>> A tolerant, egalitarian society with a penchant for periodic, transparent elections, a free uncensored press, a nat'l treasury under public scrutiny, a military under civie control, an independent judiciary under elected gov oversight and the ability to enforce Writ of State.

Yes, sounds nice. You lost me at tolerant.

"An annual report by the U.S. Department of State on human rights in Israel, the West Bank and Gaza paints a stark picture of human rights conditions among minority populations in Israel, and Palestinian populations in the West Bank and Gaza.

“Principal human rights problems were institutional, legal, and societal discrimination against Arab citizens, Palestinian residents of the West Bank and the Gaza Strip… non-Orthodox Jews, and other religious groups,” begins the segment dealing with Israel and the Golan Heights.""
http://forward.com/articles/137014/#ixzz1JWoXVczH

U.S. State Department: Israel is not a tolerant society
http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition/news/u-s-state-department-israel-is-not-a-tolerant-society-1.4683

>> Syria would be occupied (instead of Iraq)

Why, do they have WMD too?

>> Hiz'B'Allah would be on the same junk heap of flamed out losers like Waffen Ss, Confederacy or Kamikazes.

...Hiz'B'Allah kicked Israel's ass twice, so they are hardly losers.

>> Lebanon would be the Las Vegas of the Med

Had Israle not flattened and occupied it foer 18 years.

>> Arab League would have 22 Ambassadors in J'lem and Officially Recog'd Little Satan eons ago.

Funny you shoudl mention that. Those 22 states have all signed a Peace Intiative which offers to not only recognize Israel, but normalize relations. The offer has been sitting on Israel's dsk since 2003, when Israel first rejjected it.

 

AHMEDWALID

11:57 PM ET

April 19, 2011

Look at Neoleft try to be more Arab than actual arabs

It's quite funny. Too bad he can't understand Arabic and actually know what the Arabs say about Israel and Jews. Believe me, its quite sick and antisemitic. A true throwback to the days of Hitler. Anyways....

There haven't been suicide bombings because Israel largely thwarts them. There have been other deadly attacks aimed at civilians. There was an attack on a bus with an ANTI-TANK missile! A young boy died. There was the slaughtering of the Fogel family, where parents and their childen, all under 12 years of age, had their throats slit. Hamas carried out the attack on the bus, and the people of Gaza openly celebrated the murder of the Fogel family.
I am talking about within the past two months. I love how you bring up the king david hotel which happened 60 years ago.

It is truly amazing at what some demented people will do to justify their bigotry, ignorance, and antisemitism. Neoleft is a classic example.

Again, I dare him to live in Gaza for a while, or have to worry about riding around on public buses like I did (never knowing if a Palestinian would blow it up with me on it), rather than sit at home and scream bloody murder about the Jews. Having lived among them, along with my Arab community, I am shocked at the so called "liberals" (Gaza and West Bank are some of the most ill-liberal societies in the world, with homosexuals fearing for their life and honor killings still taking place) who side with the Hamas and Fatah. I think they are really just bigots in disguise. At least they should be honest and come out as such.

 

AHMEDWALID

12:04 AM ET

April 20, 2011

one more thing about the

"occupation." I've lived in Israel, the West Bank, and traveled to a few arab countries. The "occupation" is not nearly as bad as anything going on in Syria, Yemen, Libya, Saudi Arabia, and a slew of other fellow arab countries. I'd rather be living in the west bank than in Libya right now, Syria, or Lebanon.

Also, its amazing how these so called "liberals" and activists don't protest what is going on in those countries. They seem to care less about Assad and Saleh shooting peaceful protesters in the head in the street. Maybe because it is Arab on Arab violence, and they only want to scream at the Jews.

These people really could care less about Arabs. The insult me and the "liberal" values they pretend to represent.

 

COURTNEYME109

12:14 AM ET

April 20, 2011

@neoleft

The aforementioned commentary is totally correct in 9volt's context. Hit up your heroes at Hiz'B'Allah online sometime for an asset kicking account of that 'divine victory.'

And why are you so hot for terrorists anyway?

 

COURTNEYME109

12:17 AM ET

April 20, 2011

@AHMEDWALID

Well said!

 

NEOLEFT

6:32 AM ET

April 20, 2011

What you claim to be is irrelevant AHMEDWALID

I've heard it all as to what the Arabs say about Israel and Jews. I've heard Jews say the same thing about Arabs, and everyone else.

Racism and zenophobia are not a uniquely arab phenomenan.

>> There haven't been suicide bombings because Israel largely thwarts them.

No, there haven't been suicide bombings because the Palestinians began to realize is was a failing stratergy. The Wall is a joke. 3000 Palestinians climb over, under and around it every day, so a dectermined suicuide bomber woudl have no ttrouble.

Of course, you'd know that had you ever been to Israel.

Yes there was an attack on a bus and a young boy died. Horrific. Now multiply that 330 times and that gives you and idea of what Israle did to Gaza during Cast Lead.

Yes, there was the slaughtering of the Fogel family, which is one of the sickest and most macarbre murders I can remember.

All up, that's 5 deaths in the past two months. Israeli has killed twice that many Palestinian children in the same period of time.

>> Again, I dare him to live in Gaza for a while

Why would I want to live in a concertraton Camp like Gaza? The people in Gaza are 100 times more likely to be blown up than you were rising around in public busses in Israel.

It's pretty obvious you are not who you claim to be. You sound like a walking and talking

 

NEOLEFT

6:38 AM ET

April 20, 2011

AHMEDWALID

You have no idea how obvious you are. You're a Zionist though and through.

I have been to Israel and visited the West Bank. I too have traveled to a few Arab countries. Anyone who describes the "occupation" as "not nearly as bad" has to be mentally ill.

How anyone could tolerate the IDF invading their homes and taking over it while holding the famikly hostages, just as part fo a nirmal day, is truly mind boggling. If the best you can do is compare Israel to Yemen, Libya, and Saudi Arabia, then that speaks volumes about a state that it suposed to be progressive and democratic.

>> Also, its amazing how these so called "liberals" and activists don't protest what is going on in those countries.

Nice straw man you built up and knocked down there. Pitty abotu the fact it's not true.

>> They seem to care less about Assad and Saleh shooting peaceful protesters in the head in the street.

And you do? Clearly, you care less about Arabs than us liberals.

 

NEOLEFT

6:40 AM ET

April 20, 2011

Hot for terrorists?

Din't Israel elect 2 terrorists to the office of Prime Minister?

 

NEOLEFT

8:45 PM ET

April 20, 2011

@ USMARINE85

>> Both of you have never been to the region. I doubt either of you have ever seen combat or been near a combat zone.

So what? Most people who come away from "combat" sopend 90% of their time holed up in a military base and learn nothing.

 

NEOLEFT

8:48 PM ET

April 20, 2011

What does knowing hebrew and arabic have to do with anything?

I am guessing you don't speak German. Does that mean you can never

>> Nice try at making up facts!

What facts have you presented other that ingorant Islamopphpbia and a sophomoiric udnerstanding of he region and it's history?

if you speak Arabic and Hebrew, then you are likely an Israeli and therefore, your bias is undeniable.

 

NEOLEFT

8:51 PM ET

April 20, 2011

I've been to ISrael too.

And there is apartheid wherever you look.

You're clearly a garden variety Islamophobe who depises Arabs.

>> just as Mexicans and Canadians are separated from the US. It's called having borders and entry requirements.

What borders might they be Marine? Israel refuses to declare any such borders. In fact, since 1967, Israel has show no regard for borders.

You clearly could not refute the article. All you could come bach with was the lame excuse that you'd been to Israel.

So what?

 

DICKERSON3870

8:44 AM ET

April 19, 2011

RE: United States' heavy-handed efforts to help Israel at the UN

A WORD TO THE WISE FROM THE CLUELESS - "Bachmann: ‘If We Reject Israel, Then There Is A Curse That Comes Into Play’", By Eric Kleefeld, TPM, 02/09/10
(excerpt) Rep. Michele Bachmann (R-MN) has declared that America has a serious obligation to support Israel — and if not, God will curse the United States, and it will be the end of this country.
The Minnesota Independent reports that Bachmann told the Republican Jewish Coalition, at an event last week in Los Angeles:
“I am convinced in my heart and in my mind that if the United States fails to stand with Israel, that is the end of the United States . . . [W]e have to show that we are inextricably entwined, that as a nation we have been blessed because of our relationship with Israel, and if we reject Israel, then there is a curse that comes into play. And my husband and I are both Christians, and we believe very strongly the verse from Genesis [Genesis 12:3], we believe very strongly that nations also receive blessings as they bless Israel. It is a strong and beautiful principle.”
SOURCE – http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/02/bachmann-if-we-reject-israel-then-there-is-a-curse-that-comes-into-play.php

 

BASE

9:17 AM ET

April 19, 2011

Mind?

“I am convinced in my heart and in my mind that if the United States fails to stand with Israel..."

She has a mind? Who knew?

 

CAL

11:03 AM ET

April 19, 2011

Where

..do these insane people like Bachmann come from?

We MUST get rid of these freaks who want to 'entwine' chruch and state.
Has this idiot ever even read the constitution?

What todays politicians say about their fidelity to the foreign country of Israel they would have been taken before a McCarthy like hearing fifty years ago for subversion.

This loyalty to a foreign nation by US representives and and minority group of citizens is the most bizarre aberration in the history of the US and won't end well.

 

RELUCTOR DOMINATUS

3:10 PM ET

April 19, 2011

1st Amendment issue?

So, let me see, the United States has as its very foundation JUDEO/CHRISTIAN law and ethics. Even though the 1st Amendment precludes the establishment of of a state religion you cannot separate the ethics from the law from the documents no matter how much you rationalize that separation. Do you suggest we delete references to God in the founding documents? My guess is that your solution is the flushing of the constitution in favor of some socialist tripe but you, and most other "progressives", just won't come out and say so in public. It's that whole Gramsci thing.

And by the by...if the socialists that have managed to weasel their way into the WH decide to engage in some type of Samantha Power "Humanitarian Intervention" wherein arms are used against Israel, I will also take up arms. Not against my country, the US will survive as will Israel, but against the lying Gramsci "progressives" who like every other ugly tyrant buys their way to power with money and promises.

 

NEOLEFT

6:28 PM ET

April 19, 2011

What's even funnier, is how little you learned as a marine

>> these "progressives" who love the palestinians sooo much, would be the first to get beheaded and killed by them in Gaza.

Thre are hundreds of these "progressives" in Gaza right now working to provide aid and suport to the local population.

As of this morning, no beheadings to speak of. The murder of Vittorio Arrigoni has been mourned throughout Gaza, as as for who you are referring to when you say "they", Hamas have vowed to avenge his death.

Did they not teach you, Marine, that there are diozens of factions in Gaza and that they do not all work for Hamas?

>> That's some thank you for the 3 years he worked in Gaza to help Palestinians.

Evidently, you never heard of Rachel Corrie.

>> They also support the Palestinians, who are an incredibly unprogressive society.

I always find it amusing how right wing conservatives, who by and large, are the natural home for homophobes, bemoan Muslim societies for not being toleratnt of homosexuals.

How do you feel about "Don't ask, don't tell" Marine?

>> Homosexuals are routinely persecuted and forced to flee to Israel for security. Women are married off without their say. Some are forced to wear hijab. Streets are named after suicide bombers. Political dissenters are tortured, locked away without fair trial, or executed.

The other amusing argument is the sudden concern right wing consevratives have for the plight of women. The argument goes that the best way to improve womne's righs in Muslimscountries is to bomb them. I guess the argument could be made that women cannto be abused when they're dead.

>> Now, rather than explain how their "progressive" stance can bear supporting such an unprogressive people, these useful idiots will simply go into why they hate Israel (aka the Jews).

Awe wouldn't you know it? Marine is so convinced of his arguments that after throwing a few spit balls at us progressives, he runs and hides behind the skirt of moral immunity called "the Jews".

Hey Marine. Since when did it become progressive that only progressive vicitims of oppressions and persecution were deserving of support?

I seem to recal your beloved hero referring to Bin Laden and his gang in the 80's as "freedom fighters" who sood for teh same values as America's founding fathers.

 

NEOLEFT

6:52 AM ET

April 20, 2011

USMARINE85 walks like one, talks like one but

tries to pretend he's not a conservative.

Of course it's none of my business what your political ideology is, but if you insist on posting diatraibes attacking progressives, then put up or shut up.

>> And saying hamas does not control the factions there? It took on the Dughmush clan when it got too powerful and angered the Hamas leaders. It can take on any other group in Gaza as well.

Irrelevant. The IDF is the world's 4th most powerful military force and yet the Israeli government is uable to control the religious settler extrmists in the the occupied territories.

>> However, Hamas knows what is going on in each group through its security apparati and also has the power to stop anything it dislikes, as it has done before.

Yeah right. That would be the same security apparati that Israel laid waste to during Caset Lead correct?

I love this assinine argument. Hamas is supposed to keep everyone in line, yet Israel bombs Hamas repeatedly, and then demands that they enforce order in Gaza. it reminds me of a piano teacher who keeps smacking the student's hand with a steel ruler until they perfect a piece by Bach.

>> Also, we have improved women's rights in Afghanistan.

Are you serious? Women in Afghanistan have never had it worse. And who's taking out the Taliban? Dude, for a Marine, you're pretty lousy and getting up to speed. Not only has the Taliban fortified it;s positions, but Al Qaeda have made a comeback along the Afpak border region.

Patreaus hasn;t got a clue what to do about it other than bomb more villages and hope to turn this thing around using the same tactics that have failed miserably for the last decade.

 

MIGUEL DOMINGUEQ

3:04 PM ET

April 20, 2011

Genesis 12:3?

Does this 'person' really think the Bible was referencing the modern entity of 'Israel'? She sounds sick...

 

NEOLEFT

11:13 PM ET

April 20, 2011

How long have you lived in afghanistan USMARINE85?

Not holed up in an army base, but actually lived in the country?

Do you honestly expect us to beleive that being sent there to kill the locvals makes you some kind fo expert on the population?

>> The areas under US control have created improvements in women's lives.

What areas are under US control? Oh that's right, NONE.

>> Obviously we are still fighting a war, you need not point out the idiotic obvious.

Yeah, that's the excuse that serves asa get out fo jail free card. Sure, you're there to help the women right? Never mind the fact that as McChrystal admitted you iditos are killing an "amazing number" of locals, most of whom are innocent.

>> Israel has a strong army. But, day to day, Hamas can police its people.

Grow up dude. That's like claiming that the crims taking place in NYC is only happening because the NYPD approves every crime that gets commited.

>> Cast Lead was over a year ago. Hamas has more than rebuilt. Hamas can and has cracked down. You are just too much of a terrorist appologist to realize this. Thus, you make excuses for HAMAS.

What have Hamas rebuilt? The blockade has stopped any material from getting into Gaza to build anything. Israeli snipers at killing children picking up rocks with 100m of the border. Terrorism is how Israel was created and founded, so as for being a a terrorist appologist, you take the cake.

 

MIGUEL DOMINGUEQ

11:04 AM ET

April 19, 2011

tail wags the dog

One problem with treating Israel as though America has a 'special relationship' with it is that we don't! Powerful special interests may promote strong ties w/Israel, but most Americans feel very uneasy supporting such an entity. Many factors come into play. We Americans have an underlying guilt for stealing this land from the Native Americans. This translates into emotional support for 'indigenous' peoples wherever they are oppressed. Also, while Israeli atrocities may pale in comparison w/those of other powerful countries, Israel is very new, and Americans feel there is still time to influence or fix the situation.
It is complicated as most Americans are deathly afraid of Muslim fundamentalism, but neither are they comfortable with a minute Jewish minority having so much control over our foreign policy. It is simply not in our interest.
When I promote Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions against Israel, this is not to ignore China. But we are not talking about China in this conversation. When the Palestinians have achieved autonomy, and the Israeli occupation of Palestinian land has been ended, Israel may be seen in a less unfavorable light. I don't know.

 

RELUCTOR DOMINATUS

2:50 PM ET

April 19, 2011

Gramsci "progressive" BS

Yes Miguel...there is a special relationship and all of your wishful thinking will not change that fact. Eleven minutes after Israel's declaration the US was the first to recognize them. In spite of all the attempts of the Gramsci "progressives" to delete God from the equation nothing has happened except a division...almost 50-50 just like every other major issue we now face. Why? Because we are divided by two competing political philosophies; socialists and constitutional conservative.

The next two months will be very exciting as people take to the streets and another flotilla tries to break the blockade. People are taking side and it will not end well...there will be blood.

Israel will survive and "progressives" will lose. Almost biblical isn't it?

 

AHMEDWALID

3:13 PM ET

April 19, 2011

Actually right after US

approved partition, USA went back on its word and said it did not approve partition plan. Learn your history. Later then USA was first to recognize Israel after it was all but clear that US attempts to reverse the UN partition plan would fail.

Second, USA never supported Israel until after 1967 war. Almost all of Israel's support until then came from France. The US only started supporting Israel after 1967 when it saw that Israel, with its military prowess and game changing ability, could be of use to USA.

Please learn your history before you mouth off.

 

NEOLEFT

6:38 PM ET

April 19, 2011

How revealing DOMINATUS

>> Israel will survive and "progressives" will lose.

I though Israel was supposed to be a [progressive society. You might want to berak the news to Marine and Courthey. Appprently, they didn;t get the memo.

>> Almost biblical isn't it?

For the sake of Israel, let's hope not. According to Israel's biggest fans (the Evangelican Christian Dispensationalists) the Bible says the Jews will end up in hell.

 

NEOLEFT

6:55 PM ET

April 19, 2011

when did the US deny that AHMEDWALID?

>> Actually right after US approved partition, USA went back on its word and said it did not approve partition plan.

Please provide a link to this retraction.

Much appreciated.

 

AHMEDWALID

12:17 AM ET

April 20, 2011

Here is your source

http://mises.org/journals/jls/2_4/2_4_6.pdf

Warren R. Austin, American Ambassador to the Security Council, in March 1948 announced that the United States was abandoning partition and supporting a UN trusteeship. This flew in the face of the US vote for the partition plan just a few months ago.

 

NEOLEFT

7:01 AM ET

April 20, 2011

You call that a source?

>> Warren R. Austin, American Ambassador to the Security Council, in March 1948 announced that the United States was abandoning partition and supporting a UN trusteeship. This flew in the face of the US vote for the partition plan just a few months ago.

Even if this were true (highly unlikely seeing as Austin had no authority to act without consent of Congress) who cares if United States was abandoning partition? Israel was already recognized as by the US and the UN. Israel had alrady declared it's independence.

As soon as Israel became independent, the partiton plan was null and void anyway.

And your link is truly bizarre. It makes the Hagana out to be some innocent bystanders, when in fact my favorite example of Zionists’ concern for their fellow Jews during WWII is the bombing of the SS Patria in Haifa harbor by Haganah. Apparently these brother’s keepers didn’t like the British plan to send European Jewish refugees to camps in Mauritius for the duration of the war. A couple hundred were killed so the terrorists could make the point that Jewish victims of the Holocaust were better off dead in Eretz Israel, than alive in Mauritius.

 

NEOLEFT

7:41 AM ET

April 20, 2011

I stand corrected about your link AHMEDWALID

Upon reading the rest of it, I realized it's actualy an excellent refererence.

Your quote howver does not hold water. The United States, the Soviet Union and most other member states of the United Nations immediately recognized Israel after it declared independence on May 14, 1948, so any apparent US support of a trusteeship was put to rest by then.

 

MIGUEL DOMINGUEQ

11:31 AM ET

April 20, 2011

USS Liberty

One might remember the USS Liberty incident (slaughter) to keep in perspective how much Israel gives a shit about what the U.S. wants. Israel is truly an enemy of peace, and any sailor or marine should already know this bit of history.

 

MIGUEL DOMINGUEQ

3:12 PM ET

April 20, 2011

40 years is not a long time

to USMarine...the individual acts you list were indeed despicable! However, you would be comparing individual desperate acts with Israeli (state sanctioned) acts. Know the difference between apples and oranges? You can dislike or like both, but that doesn't make them the same fruit.

 

NEOLEFT

11:31 PM ET

April 20, 2011

I am a Jew USMARINE85

So please stop spamming this board with your Islamophobia.

 

NEOLEFT

11:41 PM ET

April 20, 2011

Educating USMARINE85

>> one might also remember Miguel, the Palestinian murder of Leon Klinghoffer, a US citizen on a cruise ship.

He was killed by Abu Nidal, who was widely considered to be a Israeli agent.

>> One might also remember the murder of Cleo Noel, the US Ambassador to Sudan, who was murdered by Palestinian terrorists.

Rachel Corrie who was murdered by an Israeli terrorist.

>> One might also remember the US Charge d'Affairs, George Curtis Moore, who was murdered by Palestinian terrorists in 1973 in Sudan, as well.

Or perhaps the US citizen, aboart the freedom flotilla, murdered by Israeli terrorists..

>> one might also remember the Us embassy and Marine Corps barracks bombing by the Palestinians' allies, Hezbollah in 1983, resulting in 241 deaths.

It was a military target, hit by fighters resiting militr occupation. The US, who had shelled Sourthern Lebanon, had no business being there.

>> Also, lets not forget the US State Department employees working in Gaza, John Branchizio, Mark Parson and John Linde, Jr. who were murdered by Palestinians.

On 6 July 2004 Professor Khaled Salah of An-Najah National University, along with son Muhammad (all Americans), were killed by an Israeli attack unit.

The US is providing Israel the weapons and money to maintain the occupation.

>> Oh and one more Palestinian- Nidal Hasan!!! The doctor who decided to shoot a bunch of his fellow US soldiers. Who can forget that Palestinian?

So in total, you;ve documented about half the number of murders Israel inflicted on the USS Liberty.

>> Plus there is Sirhan Sirhan, the murderer of Robert Kennedy, another palestinian!

Don't forget 911. perpeptated by those who were outraged by US support for Israel.

 

NEOLEFT

11:47 PM ET

April 20, 2011

@ USMARINE85

>> can also tell you true stories of how the village Mukhtars (the leaders of Palestinian villages) told their people to attack Jews and mutilate their corpses in the 1948 war, this included civilian and military personnel.

And I can tel you true stories of how the village Deri Yassin, where Zionist terror gangs killed and mutilated 250 women, children and civlian men and threw their bodies into a well.

It is clear the murders were ordered by Israels.

>> If you have ever been in the military, which I assume you have not, you realize how easy it is to make mistakes

That's why wars are a bad idea. It's pathetic listening to vets making that argument, when they've never stopped to ask whether it was a good idea to go to war in the first place.

 

MIGUEL DOMINGUEQ

11:08 AM ET

April 19, 2011

Support WikiLeaks, Julian, and Bradly

Maybe some laws have been broken, I don't know...but so much secrecy is killing the trust Americans could have in their gov't. If our gov't didn't treat it's citizens with such contempt most of us would be a lot happier.

 

AHMEDWALID

12:08 PM ET

April 19, 2011

Actually Miguel

63% of Americans support Israel. only 13% or so support the Palestinians. The rest are indifferent. Next time, please do not try to put your opinion as fact.

 

AHMEDWALID

12:12 PM ET

April 19, 2011

this is from a recently gallop poll taken in Feb. 2011

you can see it on their website at gallop.com

 

NEOLEFT

6:40 PM ET

April 19, 2011

@ AHMEDWALID

>> 63% of Americans support Israel. only 13% or so support the Palestinians.

80% though Iraq had WMD. Americans believe what they are told.

>> The rest are indifferent. Next time, please do not try to put your opinion as fact.

Actualy most are indifferent. Israel ranks are 7th or 8th in terms of teh sattes Amercans regard as important.

 

AHMEDWALID

12:20 AM ET

April 20, 2011

The question was whether americans support Israel

and I clearly showed in a survey that the majority of Americans do through the results of a recent Gallop Poll. You are making yourself look foolish by rejecting EVERYTHING people say. Get a grip on yourself and stop frothing at the mouth.

I don't care if you think Americans are stupid or not. The question was if they support Israel. The answer is yes. You can feel how you will about Americans but that does not negate the answer. If only you stopped acting like a lunatic Jew-hater and listened to logic...if only.

 

NEOLEFT

7:03 AM ET

April 20, 2011

The poll does not prove Americans support Israel

it proves that Americans prefer Israel to the Palestians.

A recent University of Maryland poll shows that nearly 70% of the American public is supporting the Middle Eastern uprisings even if it means weakening Israel.

 

LECIAT

9:16 AM ET

April 20, 2011

right

NEOLEFT – “80% though Iraq had WMD. Americans believe what they are told.”

Yes american are fat, stupid lazy scum except for the (self) righteous (self) proclaimed intellectually superior elitist progressives
of course.

i am really getting sick and tired of you sanctimonious assholes

just sign me as an enraged independent who will show her unmitigated unbridled rage at the polls in 2012 just as i did in 2010

 

LECIAT

9:19 AM ET

April 20, 2011

wait

i thought you said polls were useless because americans believe what they are told...or wait...how silly of me...you mean polls that do not agree with your opinion are useless...ah progressives and their hypocrisy...can't have one without the other

 

MIGUEL DOMINGUEQ

11:36 AM ET

April 20, 2011

Gallop poll?

I don't know a single person, Jewish or otherwise, that supports Israel. That is a 100% negative, so I don't know what segment of our population that was polled. When Israel is mentioned, most people that I know groan with disgust. So, I'd have to say that it really depends on who you ask.

 

NEOLEFT

2:06 AM ET

April 21, 2011

let me explain Leciat and USMARINE85

There is a difference between whether polls are correct and interpreting what they mean.

And BTW USMARINE85, just because people don;t agree with you doesn't make tehm neo Mazis or anti Semites. After all, there's a large bunch of neo Nazis in Germany who are against anti Semitism.

Probably friends of yours.

 

NEOLEFT

2:09 AM ET

April 21, 2011

Vote away LECIAT

Obama has been a huge dissapointment so I won't be sad to see teh back of him. In any case. this country wil be an economic basket case by the time the next elections come around, so we're damned reagrardless of who ends up in the White House.

>> just sign me as an enraged independent who will show her unmitigated unbridled rage at the polls in 2012 just as i did in 2010

Rage against whom may I ask? Do you think Sarah Palin or Romney are going to turn things aound?

 

BLUVIER

12:11 PM ET

April 19, 2011

Dysfunctional Relationship needs fixing!

The relationship between the US and Israel is dysfunctional, the relationship between Israel and Palestine is obviously toxic. I don't think i have to convince anyone that the two party system in America is beyond hostile - and none of this gets anyone anywhere near any solutions to the real problems.

Why is it that we can all accept this type of thing as an acceptable part of politics? If it were a marriage or dating relationship, someone might seek some kind of useful and try to fix the REAL problems.

As long as we the public keep being distracted by all this mudslinging and tricked into fighting each other, then there will never be any ACTUAL problem solving taking place anywhere. The whole system needs a relationship doctor.

 

BLUVIER

12:14 PM ET

April 19, 2011

typo

someone might seek some kind of useful way to improve the and try to fix the REAL problems.

 

BLUVIER

1:34 PM ET

May 17, 2011

Relationship doctor

It hasn't gotten any better on this forum either. Maybe these guys are soulmates! You might also consider getting a worthwhile dailyhoroscope as well. Maybe it will help the people on this discussion behave a little bit better!

 

DIANA RELKE

1:23 PM ET

April 19, 2011

Where is Stephen Walt?

Now I'm beginning to understand why Walt has been avoiding like the plague the Goldstone "retraction" issue.

 

MAX P

2:46 PM ET

April 19, 2011

A questionable "retraction"

Goldstone's retraction was only partial and came after heavy pressure from the Jewish community. You can read about it here http://www.forward.com/articles/136818/ and here
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/04/20/world/middleeast/20goldstone.html?_r=1&pagewanted=2

Also note that the NYT article indicates that the other three members of the investigation team disagree with Goldstone's re-evaluation.

In other words, while Goldstone may be justified in partially amending his conclusions, it's by no means clear that he is. And even if he is, it does not fully (or even mostly) absolve Israel of violating international humanitarian law in Gaza...or elsewhere.

 

RELUCTOR DOMINATUS

2:56 PM ET

April 19, 2011

Retraction Resmaction

The Goldstone Report and every other piece of paper that comes out of the UN is garbage.

 

AHMEDWALID

3:17 PM ET

April 19, 2011

I like how all the Jew-haters

now go and say "goldstone retraction was based on Jewish pressure, it can't be real!" Everything that flies in the face of their world view is caused by "Jewish pressure" or "the israel lobby." It's laughable.

It's not as if this whole "gaza war crimes" nonsense wasn't started based on the surrounding Arab/muslim country pressure and their majority in the UN....Yet, these fools won't even dare think that a majority of muslim countries could posibly push their agenda....

 

AHMEDWALID

3:19 PM ET

April 19, 2011

Where is Steven Walt?

Try looking for him at a Klan rally or a neo-nazi meeting? Maybe hanging out with David Duke. Or maybe kissing Saudi behind, so that they will donate more money to his department at Harvard.

 

NEOLEFT

6:44 PM ET

April 19, 2011

You mean these clan neo-nazi meetings AHMEDWALID?

Fear and loathing in Petah Tikva / Neo-Nazi gangs assaulting ultra-Orthodox Jews
http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition/news/fear-and-loathing-in-petah-tikva-neo-nazi-gangs-assaulting-ultra-orthodox-jews-1.187472

Orr these neo Nazis?

What are Israeli flags and Jewish activists doing at demonstrations sponsored by the English Defence League?
http://www.haaretz.com/magazine/friday-supplement/what-are-israeli-flags-and-jewish-activists-doing-at-demonstrations-sponsored-by-the-english-defence-league-1.307803

Or perhaps these neo Nazis?

German neo-Nazis: We're pro-Israel, condemn anti-Semitism
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/990228.html

 

NEOLEFT

6:53 PM ET

April 19, 2011

It wasn't Jew haters who admitted pressuring Goldstone

>> Everything that flies in the face of their world view is caused by "Jewish pressure" or "the israel lobby." It's laughable.

What's laughable is your capacity for denial.

"Looking back, Krengel give South Africa's Jews credit for the battle against Goldstone. "He suffered greatly, especially in the city he comes from. We took sides against him, and it encourages us to know that our way had an effect against the international pressure and made him admit and regret his remarks." "
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4051403,00.html

Goldstone's daughter: My father's participation softened UN Gaza report
http://www.haaretz.com/news/goldstone-s-daughter-my-father-s-participation-softened-un-gaza-report-1.7776

>> It's not as if this whole "gaza war crimes" nonsense wasn't started based on the surrounding Arab/muslim country pressure and their majority in the UN.

No, it was started by war crime commited during Cast Lead.

 

AHMEDWALID

12:24 AM ET

April 20, 2011

Neoleft aka Neonazi you are pathetic

you sound like a child. You try to prove your point with idiotic things that are more outliers than anything. Wow, a neonazi made it to Israel? Some fringe German group supports Israel?

That is nothing compared to the massive nazi-like hatred on Palestinian tv, or in the arab world. It is nothing like the invectives I hear from people like you and Walt which promote Jew-hatred.

Trying to prove a point with outliers does not work.

 

NEOLEFT

7:07 AM ET

April 20, 2011

Resorting Nazi accuzations is a sign

you;ve lost the argument AHMEDWALID.

>> Wow, a neonazi made it to Israel? Some fringe German group supports Israel?

Kinda bursts your patheitc and desperate attempt to malign Steven Walt doesn't it?

>> That is nothing compared to the massive nazi-like hatred on Palestinian tv, or in the arab world.

Isael's foreign minsters is a fascist dude. Even Israelis consdier him a fascist.

>> Trying to prove a point with outliers does not work.

They debunk your talking points and make you look like a fool, so they are working very well.

 

MAX P

12:50 PM ET

April 20, 2011

Walt's wife is Jewish

Walt's wife, Rebecca Stone, is Jewish. Presumably, that would make his children Jewish as well. The suggestion that he's a "bigot" is absurd.

 

MAX P

3:11 PM ET

April 20, 2011

denigrating someone's marriage is not cool...

They've been married for 20 years and have grown children. They're not just "having sex." Whether they self-identify as Jewish is their business, but his wife and children would certainly be considered Jewish by the State of Israel.

The Arendt-Heidegger relationship is an interesting point. I don't know whether Heidegger was anti-Semitic at the time of his relationship with Arendt or, in fact, ever. He was never a "Nazi official," as you suggest. Rather, he joined the Nazi Party at the same time that he assumed the rectorship of the University of Freiburg, which suggests it was a move at least partly motivated by career ambition rather than anti-Semitism.

In any event, unlike Walt and his wife, Heidegger and Arendt did not marry and raise a family together. In that context, you need more evidence than just Walt's criticism of Israeli policy, and those Jewish groups (and others) which support that policy, to fairly accuse him of being a bigot.

 

NEOLEFT

11:17 PM ET

April 20, 2011

USMARINE85, Ahmedwalid's point is false.

>> The point Ahmedwalid made was that Walt is a bigot and an antisemite.

In that case so is top AIPAC official Jonathan Kessler, whi responded to a question about the divestment fight at Berkeley, said this:

“We’re going to make sure that pro-Israel students take over the student government and reverse the vote…This is how AIPAC operates in our nation’s capital. This is how AIPAC must operate on our nation’s campuses.”

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7VDYGLY1WBQ&feature=player_embedded

 

NEOLEFT

11:22 PM ET

April 20, 2011

You're derranged USMARINE85

>> We all know the power of sex, etc.

Walt has been married to her for quite some time, so a relationship based on sex would have ended long ago.

>> Just because he is having sex with someone does not mean he can't hate her people.

So your theory is that the only reason Walt is married is becasue the sex is great, even thoguh he hates his wife and her people.

Hey I have a theory. USMARINE85 is an rampant Islamophobe who joined the marines so that he could get the chance to kill Muslims.

How dows that sound?

 

NEOSHMEFT

11:30 PM ET

April 20, 2011

Neoshmeft

Why you doin this to us man.

 

NEOLEFT

11:58 PM ET

April 20, 2011

marine is just cluting at straws MAX P

The guy is clealry pretty desperate.

Even Israelis are more willing tio debate these topis than the lame brained Hasbarats that frequent this forum. They've been trying to bring down Steven Walt for 5 years, and they are insane with rage over the fact that in spite of disccesing every word of his thesis, and maligning him, they haven't laid a scratch on his and Meareshimer's reputations.

 

NEOSHMEFT

12:28 AM ET

April 21, 2011

WAIT WHAT???

Neoshmeft, you're telling me that all those anonymous comments on the internet blog didn't take down a professor with tenure! WOWOWOWOWOWWOWOWOWLULZ

 

NEOLEFT

1:11 AM ET

April 21, 2011

USMARINE85's conspiracy theories are piling up

So according to USMARINE85, ntot only have we learned that Steven Walt has remained in a 20 marriage (with someone who's people he hates) , simply because of the sex, but Walt wrote hiw thesis with Meareshimer to attract the grant money.

Amazing stuff.

>> If someone focuses day in and day out on criticizing one group of people, I think there might be some bigotry.

True, but Walt's focus is not based on criticizing one group of people. In fact, of the last 20 colums on Foreign Policy, ony 1 has even touched on Israel and almost half have been about Lybia.

>> If he blames the victims (the Fogel Family) for the crime (they were murdered by Palestinians) as he does in his blog and articles, there might be some serious bigotry.

That to is a lie. The second sentence in Walt's colum about the Itamar murder reads:

"Israel's occupation of the West Bank is universally recognized as a violation of international law and depends on force, intimidation, and violence, but there is no justification for anyone to take the lives of an entire family in this way. "

>> If he repeats age old blood-libels about "Jewish control" of government and "Jewish power" he is probably a bigot.

Except that he has never made such claims. Anyone who read hsi book woudl know that.

>> And, if he fails to mention counter-vailing forces that play into the system he is trying to write about, like the Oil Lobby, Saudi money, etc., he is probably a biased bigot trying to vent his hatred.

Maybe when we see Congress swearing allegiance to Israel and vice presidntial candidates fighting over who loves Israel more during a capaign debate, then there might be grounds to debate these counter-vailing forces.

 

ASHTONKAYE

5:51 PM ET

April 22, 2011

AIPAC Has Too Much Power

I just saw that youtube video with Kessler speaking about AIPAC's tactics and I'm in utter shock. How have we as a nation allowed the Israeli lobby to have so much power on US policy? Israel has every right to exist and flourish as a sovereign nation, but I'm sick and tired of our politicians bending over backwards to meet the demands of AIPAC when the US has much more pressing issues at hand, education being one of them.

 

ADAM75

7:14 AM ET

May 6, 2011

Diana, I also feel that now I

Diana, I also feel that now I might finally get it while reading the article. But to be honest, I would say that US and Israel, they dont have great relationship at all.

But these are just my 2 cents.

 

BRINGINGTHELIGHT

7:24 PM ET

April 19, 2011

re: the UN

The United Nations protects israel because the power players like the Rothchilds want Israel due to their control over foreign trade. I do not believe that the UN really cares about the Israeli people. I believe this is a strategy to keep the middle east under the control of the families that control the oil and other trading that goes through Israel .
The United Nations was approved in the United States after WWII. The same people who started WWII are the same people who also played the savior so they could use Israel to advance their agenda of a "new world order".
If you don't know what the "new world order" scary agenda is then you should research it on youtube. It's a plan to turn the United States into a hell in a hand bag.

 

NEOSHMEFT

10:12 AM ET

April 20, 2011

I am glad Neoleft has been getting his ass kicked

I always want to get involved but I don't have the patience to deal with such stupidity. I certainly enjoy reading other people's whacks at him though.

 

NEOSHMEFT

11:33 AM ET

April 20, 2011

Yeah I've had my eye on

Yeah I've had my eye on Neoleft for a while now. Usually his propaganda is far more well-researched and disingenuous - but lately he is getting more and more transparent - obviously not what he's shooting for though!

 

NEOLEFT

11:24 PM ET

April 20, 2011

I's flattered that NEOSHMEFT is so obsesses with me that he

created an account with a similar sounding name just to troll here.

Obiously, I must be doing something right.

 

NEOLEFT

11:28 PM ET

April 20, 2011

Ehhud Barak must be cazy too then Marine

>> Yeah, right! What a terrorist-appologist!

Barak said that he would be a terrotist too if he were a Palestinians.

"We Jews, we are the destroyers and will remain the destroyers. Nothing you can do will meet our demands and needs. We will forever destroy because we want a world of our own."
(You Gentiles, by Jewish Author Maurice Samuels, p. 155).

 

NEOSHMEFT

11:28 PM ET

April 20, 2011

I'm not trying to be coy here, dude

To be honest, I like foreign policy, and I think you're a pretty twisted person judging by your comments. You are well read, but it's almost as if you are doing it with the underlying goal of misrepresenting history. You are right that I am trolling you in a sense, but I would argue that you are the troll here. Your comments are out of touch with reality, inflammatory, and simply historically revisionistic with a signature double standard for Israel. You are the troll, neoshmeft. And my purpose here is clear - I eat trolls like you for breakfast!

 

NEOLEFT

11:30 PM ET

April 20, 2011

if blowin gup busses is such an outrage USMARINE85

Then surely, you must be outraged over the fact that Israel atatcked convys carrying fleeing civlians during the 2006 Lebanon war.

Or is that not a contemporary enough situation for your tastes?

 

NEOSHMEFT

11:31 PM ET

April 20, 2011

Shmefterson McDumbdumb

Give it a rest brah.

 

NEOLEFT

11:53 PM ET

April 20, 2011

You clealy don't have much fo a life NEOSHMEFT

But if you find me that interesting, then so be it.

I look forward to your attempts to eat me for breaklfast, but so far, you've contribute dhaf a dozen posts, and not one of them has been on topic. You're not giong to have much of a breakfast usimply by attacking me and not addressing the topic.

 

NEOSHMEFT

12:27 AM ET

April 21, 2011

You're just mad that Zionism is awesome

and you're a dingus. Yay hummus, falafel, labane, and Israel! Boo neotheft!

 

NEOLEFT

1:01 AM ET

April 21, 2011

Zionism is 19th century colonialism

"It is the duty of Israeli leaders to explain to public opinion, clearly and courageously, a certain number of facts that are forgotten with time. The first of these is that there is no Zionism, colonialization or Jewish State without the eviction of the Arabs and the expropriation of their lands." Yoram Bar Porath, Yediot Aahronot, of 14 July 1972.

Evidently you think that eviction of the Arabs and the expropriation of their lands is awesome. To each his own.

 

GAHGEER

3:34 PM ET

April 23, 2011

Neoleft

Keep up the good work in refuting lies and dismissing liars. Many read these pages and your comments and many - including me - are learning alot.

They have done everything: come up under new nicknames, use nicknames resembling yours, launching personal attacks on you, and even bringing Steve Walt's name even though this article has been written by someone else.

You're obviously driving them mad. Keep up the good work, mate.

 

JAMESVER5

12:42 PM ET

April 22, 2011

your typical response

your typical response is "I know you are but what am I"

Both of you have never been to the region. I doubt either of you have ever seen combat or been near a combat zone.

It't pathetic your attempts to malign everyone who voices something that disagrees with your antisemitic world view.

 

BLOGAS

11:16 AM ET

April 25, 2011

your theory is that the only

your theory is that the only reason Walt is married is becasue the sex is great, even thoguh he hates his wife and her people..

 

JOHN MORTL

8:39 AM ET

May 10, 2011

Special Relationship

All these Israel apologists on this site dutifully following orders from headquarters running interference with the usual tiresome dissinformation, but won't dare address the USS Liberty atrocity. Best to ignore this brutal attack on their client benefactor. They don't want it to get any coverag at all for fear that the population will start to see the true nature of their devious fair weather friend.

 

ASJIBRASDA

1:55 AM ET

May 11, 2011

A tolerant, egalitarian

A tolerant, egalitarian society with a penchant for periodic, transparent elections, a free uncensored press, a nat'l treasury under public scrutiny, a military under civie control, an independent judiciary under elected gov oversight and the ability to enforcefootball watch online Writ of State.If all you say were true:The Middle East would look totally diff - Syria would be occupied (instead of Iraq), Hiz'B'Allah would be on the same junk heap of flamed out losers like Waffen Ss, Confederacy or Kamikazes.