Friends Forever?

Israeli leaders need to confront their waning credibility in the United States.

BY JEFFREY GOLDBERG | APRIL 25, 2011

Many of Ambassador Michael Oren's observations are grounded in reality, and many of the facts he deploys are incontrovertibly true. Allow me to dilate on several of his points:

1. It is true that Israel is still the only stable democracy in the Middle East (though we'll see soon enough whether Egypt and Tunisia, among others, will be joining the club).

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2. The members of the Arab League, collectively, create virtually nothing the world, and in particular the West, needs or wants, apart from oil and natural gas. Israel, on the other hand, is a hothouse of technological and medical innovation.

3. Israelis, while not particularly enamored of U.S. President Barack Obama (though his record is, in fact, solidly pro-Israel), adore the country he leads more than any other group of people in the Middle East, save Iraq's Kurds and, perhaps, the oppressed citizens of Iran.

4. The eastern Mediterranean has been, for the past several decades, a more secure and steady place than, say, the Persian Gulf, because of Israel's stabilizing power and because of the beneficent effects of the Egypt-Israel peace treaty. This stability has brought America large savings in lives and money, especially when compared with the sacrifices the United States has made, with only intermittent success, to keep the Persian Gulf from collapsing into chaos.

5. The Iranian regime's nefarious dream of regional domination -- its goal of supplanting America as the Middle East's strongest power -- is checked to some degree by Israel's strength.

6. The shrinking camp of foreign-policy realists ("shrinking" because the Obama administration now seems to have moved somewhat in the direction of morality-driven liberal interventionism) has been largely discredited by events of recent days. Several years ago, former U.S. national security advisor Brent Scowcroft, a leading light of realism, told me that support for authoritarian Arab leaders had bought America "50 years of peace." We are learning now the price of that support for anti-democratic forces in the Middle East. One obvious lesson: Stability cannot be achieved in perpetuity through the suppression of the natural democratic yearnings of Arab peoples, who, like Americans, value freedom and dignity.

7. Another lesson, one that deeply wounds so-called realists: It seems as if the Arab masses have been much less upset about Israel's treatment of the Palestinians than they have been about their own treatment at the hands of their unelected leaders. If Israel ceased to exist tomorrow, Arabs would still be upset at the quality of their leadership (and they would still blame the United States for supporting the autocrats who make them miserable); Iran would still continue its drive to expunge American influence from the Middle East; and al Qaeda would still seek to murder Americans and other Westerners.

8. And one more thing, while we're on this general subject: One of the great mysteries of life to foreign-policy realists is Israel's continued popularity among average Americans. Some realists have resorted to conspiracy-mongering in order to explain what is otherwise, to them, inexplicable. But these realists fail to understand, as Oren outlines, the historical, ideological, and theological ties that bind Israel and America. They also fail to understand something very basic about the workings of power in Washington: A lobbying group is ultimately successful only if it is lobbying for a cause that is already widely popular.

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 SUBJECTS: ISRAEL/PALESTINE
 

Jeffrey Goldberg is a national correspondent for the Atlantic and author of Prisoners: A Story of Friendship and Terror.

AVILLA

7:30 PM ET

April 25, 2011

lol

"The members of the Arab League, collectively, create virtually nothing the world, and in particular the West, needs or wants, apart from oil and natural gas."

This is a bit like saying "Trees, collectively, create virtually nothing humanity needs or wants, apart from oxygen."

As for Goldberg's points about the Arab world's view of Israel, I doubt I need to link him to the videos of Saudi Shiites chanting "Death to Israel" or all of "Freedom Square" in Egypt chanting the same. I also do not need to link him to the polls showing that less than 2/3 of Americans--hardly a "huge" majority--even consider Israel an ally. He knows that they exist. He just chooses to ignore it. It's cool. Golberg's gonna Goldberg.

 

RUSRICK

1:14 PM ET

April 26, 2011

Spying allies

Kind of hard to warm up to friends who spy on you, and when the spies are caught, apply pressure through lobbyists to get the spies out of jail. Guess I have an old-fashioned concept of "friend."

 

MARKTHOMASON

8:31 PM ET

April 25, 2011

understatement

I can see right now that they will not let the West Bank go, nor will they let its people become part of Israel. We are building up to something terrible. Every decent option is now cut off. It will not take more time and developments to make this obvious to anyone who cares.

The only ones still on Israel's side are those who don't care, or those who are so committed they won't care.

 

JBENHAM

9:27 PM ET

April 25, 2011

Israel continues to brutally

Israel continues to brutally and illegally occupy the indefensible position. But the shills keep on defending the occupation at the risk of laughter and embarrasment. One day, soon, this criminal state will be the object of a mass boycott that will compel leaders to ignore the enormous power of the israeli lobby. Perhaps then, once israel is treated like a pariah, peace will come to the West Bank.

 

NATTAWAT

8:36 AM ET

April 26, 2011

 

JIMR

4:40 PM ET

April 26, 2011

"One man, one vote" is tough to fight

The author gets it correct in the last few paragraphs when he says that the Israel/Palestine issue can easily be recast as a Voting and Civil Rights issue. There will soon be countries in the Middle East more democratic than Greater Israel (taking into account Israel's de facto control of the people and lands of the West Bank and Gaza). With the Arab Spring happening in neighboring countries, the Palestinians can't miss this point for long.

The Economic importance of Israel to the US is infinitesimal compared to the geopolitical costs of having Israel as an "ally". Much of US security issues have their root in the lack of a resolution to the Israel/Palestinian situation, and that is where the real financial costs to the US are accruing.

If seen with cold blooded self interest, the US should throw Israel "under the bus". Lingering sympathy is the only thing saving the Israeli state, and that can disappear in a decade if the right wing Israeli government persists in their policies.

 

MYTHBUSTER

7:42 PM ET

April 26, 2011

"It is true that Israel's

"It is true that Israel's many friends on Capitol Hill, and many leading figures in the Democratic Party, would work tirelessly to protect Israel's relationship with America in case of a collision between the U.S. president and the Israeli prime minister...."

This is what has made resolution of the Israel/Palestine problem impossible. Since Eisenhower, there has been no president with enough power to buck the Jewish power over the Congress, the political parties, and the media. As Obama quickly learned, even though he may be president of the most powerful country in history, he is essentially impotent where Israel is concerned. Netanyahu, a certified nut job, can and does ignore and insult him at will. I don't think I exaggerate when I say that Obama could be impeached by friends of Israel in the congress.

"Then they will look at who is suppressing these Arabs and see Israel; and then they will become confused by this because they have heard many times that Israel is the only democracy in the Middle East. And then they will ask, why is this so? (And, by the way, the people who will be doing this asking will be disproportionately Jewish.) "

Yes, that's true. I have long argued that the only hope for the Palestinians was the good will of moral and compassionate Jews. There are legions of them but not yet enough. There are more radical Zionists that there are Rabbi Lerners. The radicals shut down any public discussions that might educate the public through the mass media; they have the power to do that. As the major media becomes more concentrated, the less likely such discussions will occur. Mr. Goldberg is not adverse to that reality. Most Americans support the fantasy Israel and Israel's supporters have the power to ensure that fantasy is the reality for those "most Americans."

 

SHAMOONAK

4:07 PM ET

April 28, 2011

Food for thought

While the article rightly points out factors which make Israel a popular choice amongst the Middle Eastern countries, it is worth wondering whether the political unrest and years of suppression were a key in the stabilization of Israel.

A famous monarch would use forms of chaos within his state in order to keep the masses from looking towards the actions of their ruler. He would be able to act freely without interruption.

Could it be possible that a similar strategy has been used in the Middle East in order to allow Israel to quietly continue its doings, without interference?

It can often help to look at both sides of the picture!

 

AVONSTAMWITZ

11:48 AM ET

April 30, 2011

Clueless average Americans - like me

RE: "One of the great mysteries of life to foreign-policy realists is Israel's continued popularity among average Americans... But these realists fail to understand, as Oren outlines, the historical, ideological, and theological ties that bind Israel and America." True - especially the wrong-headed theological ties. I was one of those "average" Americans until I toured the West Bank and Jerusalem WITH PALESTINIANS. At first, I was extremely uncomfortable; but the tour forced me to face my biases. (btw my "conversion" story was published here if you'd like to read it
http://www.americamagazine.org/content/article.cfm?article_id=12710&o=38130

 

SCOTT83

5:51 PM ET

April 30, 2011

No, we don't need America

While as an Israeli I certainly hope we can enjoy good relations with the US (and any other country for that matter), to say Israel needs the US is patently false.

As with most articles in which Israel is seen to be dependent on the US, it is long on assumptions and short on corroborative facts.

While I would certainly prefer a strong relationship with the US to one with say, China, it seems obvious to me that, despite much public posturing to the contrary, there is really no shortage of countries which would be willing to assume the defense/technology relationship with Israel that the US currently has.

Israel produces a nice array of military technologies that are consumed by countries across the world, including advanced technologies to India, Russia, the US, Europe, South Amercia, and even Turkey (despite Erdogan public stunts, he still proceeded to buy Israeli drones even after Ankara and Jerusalem fell out).

These technologies may not be on par with big-ticket US and European products, but they are clearly more than enough for virtually any country to have a real interest in doing military business with Israel.

The only difference I see with the US relationship is that it is public. There is popular support on both sides and the relationship is not conducted behind closed doors as it is between Israel and so many other countries (even some of it's so-called enemies such as Saudi Arabia).

While this definitely makes the relationship with the US a good thing, it's not necessary and it certainly is not existential.

 

ADAM GARDNER

12:20 AM ET

May 12, 2011

While I would certainly

While I would certainly prefer a strong relationship with the US to one with say, China, it seems obvious to me that, despite Adam Gardner much public posturing to the contrary, there is really no shortage of countries which would be willing to assume the defense/technology relationship with Israel that the US currently has.

 

SALTY AMY

6:52 AM ET

May 15, 2011

Israel is dangerously close to full blown Apartheid

While we all love the Idea of a democratic Jewish state it´s getting increasealy hard to
side with you or call Israel democratic.

Israel´s policies, and it´s contrast with the Palestinians terrible living conditions and opression is what will bring a serious shortage of Countries willing to support Israel in any
way.

If nothing changes besides losing support Israel might face economic embargos as we and
ultimattly seize to exist

Pretty we will have to stop using the the label Palestinian Terrorist and start calling them

FREEDOM FIGHTERS

I hope you all find a way around this.

Abraham´s daughters and sons. ONE FAMILY

 

PERSON_GUYZ

1:10 AM ET

May 24, 2011

I also do not need to link

I also do not need to link him to the polls showing that less than 2/3 of Americans--hardly a "huge" majority--even consider Israel an ally vehicle tracking.If nothing changes besides losing support Israel might face economic embargos as we and
ultimattly seize to exist